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    a point i feel alot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.

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    The guy above was right about brake pads. A new rotor costs less than bb7 replacement pads. 20 dollars for 2 tiny brake pads that you don't need tools to install. The prices on some of these items amaze me. I need new brake pads so I can't avoid not paying 20 bucks. Therefore, they can set whatever price they believe is fair. You also have to keep in mind that there's not a lot of cyclists as compared to motorists so it's unfair to compare the price of cycling replacement parts to cars. Just wanted to put that out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericmopar
    You get a season or two out of your tires? HMMMMMM.

    I get 3 to 6 weeks out of Kendas and about three months out of similar Maxxis tires.
    I ride 2-3 days a week and about 18 miles each ride.

    Still, $80 - $100 for tires. You can buy a whole set of tires for an econo car for about that much.

    300 mi on a set of tires!!! At first I thought that just couldn't be right.....then I saw where you ride. Bootleg canyon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.
    According to Fogerson:
    You forgot costs to engineer, manufacture/assemble, ship, stock, sell, support, advertise, pay taxes, facilities, just to name a few. Unless a company publishes its gross and net margins on a product/product line, there is really no way estimate how much profit/loss they're making on something unless you know the company's operations OR have experience in the industry...you just can't add up what you think each component costs.
    Repackaging grease COSTS money and man hours. Those little bottles are expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    a point i feel alot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.
    some people don't like the idea that biking could (and in some areas should) cost a lot less for the same thing. what if you started getting gouged at your favorite restaurant? sure you'd probably still go there and enjoy it, but it shouldnt cost so much.


    also, i really agree on the repackaged oils and lubricants.

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    "cylcling specific" tools. It even bugs me that when you look at pedals online, the site suggests buying a $15 "pedal wrench" from them as well so you can put them on. For $15 you can get a set of wrenches that are actually of much higher quality IMO. Of course you cant get a cassette tool, or BB tool at your local home improvement store.

    Saddles. $180 for a piece of plastic covered in thin foam and leather, with 2 rods? But thats most high end components. I guess the price is even higher because there are so few produced as compared to lower end products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schro31185
    "cylcling specific" tools. It even bugs me that when you look at pedals online, the site suggests buying a $15 "pedal wrench" from them as well so you can put them on. For $15 you can get a set of wrenches that are actually of much higher quality IMO. Of course you cant get a cassette tool, or BB tool at your local home improvement store.
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    Keep in mind though that for some pedals you will need a thinner wrench than is standard. Not a big deal if you have a grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.
    What are some non-biking alternatives to some of the "dry" lubes like pro-link, white lightning, boeshield, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrcxu
    any glasses over $20
    i learned this lesson from paddling my kayak. no sense in buying a high end pair for paddling or biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.
    Lubriplate grease and a Dualco dispenser are dirt cheap compared to the bike brands. Some just re-sell the Dualco guns and Lubriplate is available through industrial supply companies.

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    A lot of this stuff comes from China or Taiwan where an 8 year old chained in a cave is making it. Like tires, the company has about $2 in it ant then sells it for $50. I'm cool with you making a profit but that much is ridiculous.

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    I am sure it's the marketing and branding costs, but many of the big name clothing companies are a joke. My Mt. Borah baggie type shorts are my best by far and they are made in WI, USA and sell for less money than Fox, Oakley, Pearl and REI house brand. I will buy more of them because I have not heard any news about slave labor in western WI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvictaS1
    scott genius limited- msrp $13,225.00
    http://scottusa.com/us_en/category/1662/genius
    Appropriately named. Your "genius" would have to be "limited" to pay that much for a bike.

    I just love their eloquent marketing hype....what is "overworked geometry"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcgoy
    No! The short sellers are to blame!
    No, no, you have it all wrong.

    It is the lack of regulation and oversight that has caused this mess.

    I say we get congress to create the 2008 Bicycle Uniformly Levied Cost Reduction Plan. From this point forward we can use the 2008 BULCRP to help keep costs down so everybody can afford everything.

    We don't want anybody to feel left out. We are all winners and there are no losers. BULCRP will help everybody.

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    Everybody is getting there cut

    Tires.....$50 for one?please

    Cassettes.....If your going to rape me, bring back a high end 8 speed please.

    Shimano Mineral Oil......$15-20 for 50ml? Do the math for a gallon of the stuff.

    ANY SINGLE CROWN FORK THAT APPROACHES $1000

    Bling Bling wheelsets.

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    some wheel sets are worth it, like the I-9 ones. If you think they're overpriced think how much it costs to pay a machinist to put 18hrs in making one. The biggest difference in cost I've noticed is the jump from x-9 to x-o, xt to xtr, etc. I those your only paying for the weight lose and if you look at the price per gram it seems rediculous but if you really race its worth it. It's all about recognizing what you really need and buying that because I'm pretty sure most people (myself included) only need lx level stuff and compare that to the cost of the xtr components everybody buys. I know, I want the xtr stuff too but is it really worth the coin... no.
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    So to everyone that thinks that cycling products are over priced...

    Want to start a new company then? If you think products can be cheaper cause they are just repacked then lets have a new line to exhibit at interbike next year at the first time area!
    =)

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    Everything sold by Jeff Jones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jawndoe
    So to everyone that thinks that cycling products are over priced...

    Want to start a new company then? If you think products can be cheaper cause they are just repacked then lets have a new line to exhibit at interbike next year at the first time area!
    If you could front me a couple of mil, I'll guarantee you that I could do it cheaper. I have been machining metal for almost 20 years now, I KNOW all kinds of CAD/CAM programs and have several CNC machines at my disposal. We could start today.

    I don't have the funds to start a shop. However, I have made many parts for my bikes, motorcycles and other vehicles, even guns. I think that with your money, we would do real good. I keep all of my Soildworks files so we have a big head start on the engineering side.

    Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottWatkins
    If you could front me a couple of mil, I'll guarantee you that I could do it cheaper. I have been machining metal for almost 20 years now, I KNOW all kinds of CAD/CAM programs and have several CNC machines at my disposal. We could start today.

    I don't have the funds to start a shop. However, I have made many parts for my bikes, motorcycles and other vehicles, even guns. I think that with your money, we would do real good. I keep all of my Soildworks files so we have a big head start on the engineering side.

    Scott.
    If I had a couple of mil... My neighbor is a materials scientist btw. So we could potentially make more advanced products too... Ok so we need tne BULCRP bill passed immediately!
    =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked
    Lights are too expensive. I would love to ride at night but I would not like to pay 2-300 dollars just to do so safely.
    Sadly, that's cheap. $500 for Li-ion
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    I think those C02 cartriges they sell at the LBS are absurd. If people knew you could buy a box of 25 of them for an air gun at Walmart nobody in their right mind would pay 8 bucks for a 2 pack!

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    What's the quickest path to $1 million dollars?

    Invest $2 million dollars into a bicycle-related business.

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    yes Yes YES. Exactly. When I ride which isnt more than once or twice a week, I want it to be the best experience possible. I don't mind spending a bit. For example I have an edge, ; I've used it maybe 80 times--bingo that's 3$ or more per ride for just ONE item.

    But all very worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    a point i feel alot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.

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    This reminds me of a thread I started about a year ago.

    a rant about the cost of mountain biking

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    I dont know if anyone has mentioned them but...

    Headset spacers are way to expensive. $2 to $10 a pieces for a little aluminum ring.
    Crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    What are some non-biking alternatives to some of the "dry" lubes like pro-link, white lightning, boeshield, etc.?
    Liquid Wrench makes a spray-on dry lube. Less than $5 for a spray can, about 13-14 oz.
    A bike is the only drug with no bad side effects....

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    Just looking for some single speed parts and came across this.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Paul-Component-Powerglide-409-Rasta-Derailleur-set-NEW_W0QQitemZ160289505800QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 60289505800&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A1|240%3A1 318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

    current bid is $1,199 for both front and rear D.
    I have to admit, they do look really cool and really custom.

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    Regarding drinks and energy supplements. Bottles of gatorade about $0.97 where i work, and nutrition/powerbars are like $1-2. Is more then that really needed? Maybe I just don't go hardcore enough lol.

    On the helmet thing, i have a $15 schwinn helmet from target. It is comfortable and has never failed me (though admittedly i have never landed fully on it but hey for now its good)

    Now if you want to talk actual bike parts, it's pretty much all overpriced imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    a point i feel a lot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.
    I see your point, but you can still do that on a $50 bike or a $8000 one I know the differences are huge, just pointing out.
    Last edited by Whirl; 10-07-2008 at 04:13 AM.

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    bike tires cost as much as car tires
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    Tubeless tires for $100+ a pair? I bet there's some element of price fixing going on.

    I could understand certain things being expensive due to licensing fees to the patent holder but prices are just getting ridiculous. The funniest part is that most of these components are imported from Asia where the cost of labour is very low and counterfeiting is rampant.

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    Interesting and fun thread.

    I'll add jerseys.

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    Fox forks are definitely overpriced. I can't believe I just dropped $800 on one...

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    Another vote for tubeless tires

    I can buy a pair of tires for my Civic for less than my bike.

    Helmets are up there too.



    Aside from that I ride in C9 brand shirts, about $6 when on sale. Why pay someone else to be a neon sign advertising their goods ?

    I stock up on Clif bars when they're on sale for $0.75.

    I use my 2-3 times annual REI 20% off coupon for shorts, tools and parts, and combined w/ my REI Visa cash back to dividend, that I use for everything, I have an almost unlimited "account" w/ them.

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    Sidi Shoes

    Quote Originally Posted by WTB-rider
    Sidi shoes. Great shoes but ridiculously priced.
    I 2nd the price of Sidi. I just got a pair this past summer. I used a discount from Price Point, and all my points and still paid over $100.00 for them.

    Good Shoe, but costly....
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    Helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    Is there any evidence that a more expensive helmet protects your head better?
    Companies that sell helmets for as much as $230.00 can afford a little research and results.... So of course their products will come out looking good. Overall, I think we pay to much for a lot of stuff in this sport, but because we love it, we pay the cost....
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    Perhaps if more people got involved in the sport some prices might come down, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I did just run across a $310 chainring in doing a search (a 36t 110bcd carbon and ti chainring), while not really a mountain bike chainring, it could be...

    Do you think that if we applied the old adage "build it and they will come" to singletrack we could convince the government to do so on the basis of both the current economic meltdown (subsidies for US built bikes, market growing due to oil crisis type reasoning) and medical crisis (cyclists are healthier, help reduce govt healthcare costs). That could do wonders for adding more people to the sport....and if it didn't work out a lot more trail! I think I need to go make coffee or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jawndoe
    So to everyone that thinks that cycling products are over priced...

    Want to start a new company then? If you think products can be cheaper cause they are just repacked then lets have a new line to exhibit at interbike next year at the first time area!
    http://www.bbbparts.com/

    Low-cost, high-quality parts. I bought one of their headsets for my Santa Cruz Blur with thoughts of later replacing it with a Chris King. When I opened the box, I was greeted by a very lightweight headset, with sealed bearings. I think I paid like $35 for it and it is buttery smooth. I have looked into their other parts and they seem to have a philosophy of cheap, well-made products.

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    derailleur hangers

    There's no reason that little piece of aluminum should cost $25, or even $15.
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    If these bike company's profits start to decline they'll be looking to the feds for a bailout!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuggets
    If these bike company's profits start to decline they'll be looking to the feds for a bailout!
    It will be a rescue, not a bailout. The government will buy up all the worthless bikes.

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    Overpriced? I'd say tires as most people do in here.

    Some front hubs are overpriced. (About rear hubs I won't say a thing, because you have a lot of engineering in pawl systems and the like.)

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    No good Helmet Gripe

    How come most of the helmet manufacturers don't sell replacement pads! I blow through pads in a year of riding and either have to improvise or buy a new helmet. And yes...helmet costs are too high although I'm sure we are all paying the price of all those bogus products liability lawsuits brought by those who have crashed....

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    Its our fault a lot of stuff costs so much. If nobody bought any of it they'd have to reduce the prices.

    Most of the sealed cable systems are way overpriced. Ergon grips are overpriced.

    Most things are overpriced considering how popular cycling is and the sheer volume of manufacture of most items.
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    BEER! The after ride beverage of choice is way overpriced. What, it's just a little water and some barley and hops.......

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    derailleur hangers!! comeon!! its a very small farking piece of metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    LED lights are absolutely overpriced.
    $10 LED
    $10 electronics
    $10 wiring
    $40 battery
    $10 housing
    $100 profit

    I built my own and have twice the performance at half the price of most commercial LED lighting systems.

    I am planning on building another light that will be even 2/3rds brighter and a half the cost of my current lights.
    No doubt, they are overpriced, & if you can make a better one yourself cheaper - more power to you. But you only covered material cost. Here are some other items for your list:

    Manufacturer's labor cost, building rent or purchase & maintenance, equipment cost & maintenance, & insurance of all sorts, Then there's development, warranty, & all sorts of administrative costs. Don't forget taxes & other government fees, plus everybody they need to hire to make sure their in compliance with all safety & envoronmental regulations. Oh yeah - the lawyers - can't leave out the lawyers

    Then you get a similar list for the distributor & reseller (LBS or online). Add transportation cost somewhere. Then everybody in the supply chain gets a piece of the profit - some more than others & it probably isn't a fair distribution either.

    On the other hand - volume purchasing can reduce the material cost quite a bit.

    I'd like to upgrade the fork on my entry-level hardtail, but to get a decent fork with a little bit of adjustable damping costs more than my whole bike originally did. Forget it - I'll save up a couple more years & upgrade the whole bike instead - unless the bottom continues to drop out of the economy. In that case I'll just save.
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    The most expencive thing in Mtn biking is the air lift out and the catscan.

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    Yup, der hangers. I've been running Giants (NRS, Trance, TranceX) and the LBS used to charge $10. I thought, "not cheap, but OK." Now TranceX is $15.

    But my LBS usually has one in stock.

    I carry one in my back pack. Maybe once a year I use it out of the pack and on the trail.

    Best wishes to everyone,
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbne1
    How come most of the helmet manufacturers don't sell replacement pads! I blow through pads in a year of riding and either have to improvise or buy a new helmet. And yes...helmet costs are too high although I'm sure we are all paying the price of all those bogus products liability lawsuits brought by those who have crashed....

    I have a Bell helmet and they sent me a set of replacement pads for free.

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