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    I don't know but some bicycle forks are just as sophisticated and well engineered as a set of Ohlins motorcycle forks. And a set of race ready Ohlins forks are over $12,000.00.

    Tires are definitely overpriced I'll have to agree on that. Mainly because they don't last that long and cost as much as some car tires.

    Saddles can be outrageous. I have office chairs that cost less than some Selle saddles.

    Shirt and jerseys. I can get sweat wicking athletic shirts from Target for $12.00. A similar shirt from a bicycle shop can be $70.00.

    Shorts. There's no alternative really if you wear baggy padded shorts but I bought one yesterday for $45.00 thinking it was a good deal. There's something definitely wrong with that.

    XTR. It's not priced for the average Joe. It's actually designed for competitive racers. People that need the edge will shell out for it. The rest of us just want it because we want it. No need to complain about its price if you're no competitive racer. A full XTR group set versus an XT set, what? Like maybe a pound?

    Beer. I can't stop myself from buying a quality half dozen of brew after a ride. It gets very expensive, very fast.

    Bike racks cause shock to my wallet as well. A full roof rack system can cost over $500 and a tail hitch system over $350.

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    Yeah, roof racks and carriers are pretty spendy. I bought my setup used on Craigslist but MSRP for a full Yakima rooftop setup for 2 bikes can easily run 700 or 800 bucks!! I got mine for 180 bucks.

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    I know shoes have been brought up already, but try to find some cold weather cycling boots.

    Holy schnikees….Sidi Diablo’s $320, Lake MXZ302 $269, Northwave Celsius $200….Cripes my toes are going to be cold this fall/early winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenchain
    Headset spacers are way to expensive. $2 to $10 a pieces for a little aluminum ring.
    You are getting ripped off. I paid the same but they were CARBON FIBER! Which as we all know is way better than anything because of the fiber content.

    I am a smart shopper, if I do say so myself.

    Kidding aside, why do we even have "carbon fiber" HS spacers in the first place? Al not light enough?
    Hadley rear hub service here and here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpypete
    I know shoes have been brought up already, but try to find some cold weather cycling boots.

    Holy schnikees….Sidi Diablo’s $320, Lake MXZ302 $269, Northwave Celsius $200….Cripes my toes are going to be cold this fall/early winter.
    Wool socks mang.

    Edit: As far as overpriced stuff is concerned, Fox forks are definatly up there, along with Crank Bros ($350 for the Candy 4ti's), any brand tire, pretty much every lube/grease at the LBS, Jerseys and shorts.

    Of course, none of this is bad at all compared to road biking. I am constantly amazed at how much the casual road biker dishes out to save a few grams (Zero Gravity brakes anyone?).
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    my pick for overpriced components award
    1. shimano xtr. freakin ridiculous - almost double xt, unreal

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    bike industry is gouging customers just like the oil industry.

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    Wife

    I go mounting biking with my wife every weekend. She costs more than any of the things that have been mentioned! Thank God I still love her!

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    Gonna try to mension some stuff that hasnt been said yet.

    ~Cannondale Fox Lefty Max 130mm, gonna push $1500 this year.
    -The conversion to make a bike run a Lefty Fork is extremely expensive
    ~Schmolke Carbon flat bar is $260, The seatpost is $511
    ~Specialized S-works Shoe $300
    ~Specialized S-works Helmet $230
    ~Magura Marta SL Magnesium $365 per brake
    ~Boca Bearings
    ~Industry 9 Wheels

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    For three grand you could buy...

    A Specialized Hybrid...



    Or a Honda Rebel...



    Something just doesn't add up.

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    wtf? back ordered!

    Quote Originally Posted by brianthebiker

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    Kidding aside, why do we even have "carbon fiber" HS spacers in the first place? Al not light enough?
    It's all about the looks. I've weighed AL spacers against CF, and they seem to be within a gram of each other every time. Sometimes, it's the CF that weighs the extra gram.

    If you're looking for over-priced... I paid $100 or so for my Titec Ti handlebar, and $145 for my Ti wedding ring. How it's costs $45 more for the same material, in a similar diameter, with less manipulation, and about 1/4" wide (as opposed to 22") is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by office
    For three grand you could buy...

    A Specialized Hybrid...

    Or a Honda Rebel...

    Something just doesn't add up.
    I supposed you meant the said Honda cost 3K used.

    Price gouging is the industry "standard"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harman
    I supposed you meant the said Honda cost 3K used.

    Price gouging is the industry "standard"
    Nope, MSRP brand new $3,199. AND the fenders are included.

    http://powersports.honda.com/motorcy...delId=CMX250C8

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    Quote Originally Posted by elder_mtber
    Yup, der hangers. I've been running Giants (NRS, Trance, TranceX) and the LBS used to charge $10. I thought, "not cheap, but OK." Now TranceX is $15.

    But my LBS usually has one in stock.

    I carry one in my back pack. Maybe once a year I use it out of the pack and on the trail.

    Best wishes to everyone,
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    Geez, your lucky. I needed a hanger for my Marin Rift Zone. The going price for them in the LBS's here is $45.00 + taxes. Total of over $50.00.

    Unfreakin' believable. The shop didn't even have the proper screws for it.

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    bike seats, camelbacks, lights, Stans no Tubes.

    A site dedicated to helping beginners

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    $3,335 - DT Swiss XRC 1250 Carbon Wheels

    This wheel set from DT Swiss costs more than most bikes...BUT THEY ARE DAMN SWEET!!

    I'm going with the same DT Swiss XRC 330 carbon rims as an Industry Nine red on red wheelset for my Ibis Mojo!!!

    DT Swiss XRC 1250
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    Why: The ultralight, 330-gram (claimed) carbon-fiber clincher rims contribute to the jaw-dropping price, but the rest of the 1,250-gram wheelset is just as sweet. The hubs are DT's highest-end CL with ceramic bearings and a Star Ratchet freehub design. Its spokes are double forged--once for the butting and a second time for the stamping process that gives it a bladed shape. Twenty-four of these spokes are laced two-cross using DT's Hex head pro-lock nipples and are hand-built in its Polish factory. Each pair includes RWS titanium MTB skewers, DT Swiss wheel bags and spoke wrench, rim tape and an Aero spoke holder. They're not tubeless compatible out of the box, but are easily converted using DT Swiss's tubeless kit.

    http://www.bicycling.com/gear/detail...1467-0,00.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked
    Lights are too expensive. I would love to ride at night but I would not like to pay 2-300 dollars just to do so safely.
    2-300??

    I spent 100$ for my Sigma evo-x setup. It works great.

    Plus if you wanna go cheap, i've seen someone rig up flash lights using hose clamps.



    Anyhow, just to contribute i have 1:

    Shot blox, 2.50 for 6 jelly pieces?? They work great, but price is hard to swallow.

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    Disc wheels. My friend wants to get some disc rear wheel for his triathlon bike and found out they're like $2500. o_O

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    I've heard Camelback get mentioned a few times in this thread, but in their defense, they do have a lifetime warranty, so you should only pay once in theory.

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    Anything with the mention of titanium

    or carbon

    or some other "exotic" material, like magnesium

    but titanium jacks up the price.

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    road bikes

    I ride both mt. bikes an road bikes.
    how about 10,000 for a full colnago with all the trimmings
    I think the going price for a Honda VR 800 is under that including abs brakes
    most hight end carbon frames go for 3500 to 5000
    that make Ridley's Noah at 2900 a deal!

    my pet peaves are mt. bike shorts for 100,
    fox and Marz forks for 800
    wheel sets for 600 or more and you only get two wheels.
    tires of 60 and you only get one.
    helmets don't make me cry, because my fox flux saved my life for 100 buck. I guess that would be a discount compared to alternative.

    I guess we could just stay home and play video games. how much do those go for? lol!

    my other hobby is rc cars and they are way cheaper then one of my bikes.
    my friend bowls, and wins money. sigh!

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    Fox shox...
    Some wheels, specially mavic crossmax.

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    over 3k for a wheelset! thats outrageous! that is 10 times the price of my brothers bike! and i would have them trashed in a weekend lol, yea for the price of a nicely set up dh bike i could have a bling dirtbike...something just doesnt add up...

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    DH Bikes....

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    - Pedal cleats are expensive compared to a complete pair of pedals + cleats.
    - Disc brake pads
    - 10-speed chains (I'm glad I don't need those)
    - Decent SS cogs
    Ride more!

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    Cycling clothes in general are way overpriced, which is why I don't currently have any dedicated cycling apparel-all my money goes into the bike itself, thats my major beef, I wouldn't mind paying those prices if they had some that looked like normal clothes and didn't make you look dorky (face it cycling clothes are dorky looking, no matter how comfortable they are you still look like a dork.)

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    I nominate this dude's bike:

    k2cruiser72 aka Chad G.
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    Formula 200mm Boxxer adaptor.

    http://jensonusa.com/store/product/B...+Adaptors.aspx

    $80 for a front brake adaptor.

    Fortunately I have a Fox 40 so it was "only" a $42 part. Because their rotors are 200mm and not 203mm like everyone else you can't just use the $20 Avid part.

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    All of it. Absolutely ALL of it. 5-7 years ago all of this sh** was 1/3rd less, or even 1/2 of what it costs now.

    Our dollar goes nowhere, and the cost of absolutely everything is a rip off.
    You in Oklahoma City? If yes, come ride with us.

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    I can't see the justification of high priced aluminum hardtail frames. What possible advantage can they claim over the rest of the aluminum hardtails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundam168 View Post
    I can't see the justification of high priced aluminum hardtail frames. What possible advantage can they claim over the rest of the aluminum hardtails?
    Craftmanship. Lol

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    bumping old threads for grins= a short -term banning. over-priced or priceless. lol

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    I'm surprised I never saw this thread.

    What's overpriced?

    Shimano SLX, XT and XTR parts
    SRAM X7, X9, XO, XX, and X1 parts
    Mavic wheelsets
    Carbon fiber anything
    Fox forks
    Rock Shox forks other then the Dart and Tora
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    Crabon frames.

    Manufacturers can pop one out for $400 and sell it for $2000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigHit-Maniac View Post
    All of it. Absolutely ALL of it. 5-7 years ago all of this sh** was 1/3rd less, or even 1/2 of what it costs now.

    Our dollar goes nowhere, and the cost of absolutely everything is a rip off.
    7 years ago the dollar bill was worth a lot more, just look at the price of gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elwoodturner View Post
    7 years ago the dollar bill was worth a lot more, just look at the price of gold.
    Oh trust me, I know.

    A car that used to be $30K, now the exact same thing costs $40K (SUV's, Pickups, etc).

    A stupid diesel PU now costs freakin $55K, pushing $60K loaded up.

    Its not just bikes that are overpriced.
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    Anything carbon, e.g., $150 carbon handlebars and seatposts.

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    Dropper seatposts. Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jawndoe View Post
    About Helmets, I wear a cheapie $30 Bell Helmet. If I crash on it, its being replaced with another $30 helmet. Paying $230 for a helmet is like spending $500 on the Rock Racing uniform kit. There are places that sell shirts that are just as good as Bike Jerseys when it comes to moisture wicking and breathabilty properties for much less. If you don't like a $130 headset, well then don't put one on your bike, we aren't holding a gun to your head to do so. $8500 S-Works Epic.. yeah thats pricey but if you don't like the price get a custom Ventana built up, or something cheaper. Just Remember what you are buying. I am pretty sure if you can afford the new Epic, and are seriously considering it then the price might not be such a bad thing. Just realize that the weak dollar has contributed to this situation too. Like I said its Buycycling. One person buys something from the LBS only to have it cycled down to another user later. It sucks but sometimes if you need to have "The Best" you have to pay the costs associated with "The Best". If you want quality and want to keep money in your wallet get what you want used, or New Old Stock.

    Funny someone mentioned Stan's... yesterday I went to the LBS to pick some up and the mechanic said goto the hardware store and get some liquid latex and a bit of silica sand. Yeah he knew it was a rip off too. But you know what I am will to pay for it, because I don't use THAT much Stan's. Having two wheelsets helps.

    Look a brand new Ferrari isn't cheap either. But I can get a used one for 20k if I look around.
    Alpinestars MTB L/S jersey is pretty amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fogerson View Post
    You forgot costs to engineer, manufacture/assemble, ship, stock, sell, support, advertise, pay taxes, facilities, just to name a few. Unless a company publishes its gross and net margins on a product/product line, there is really no way estimate how much profit/loss they're making on something unless you know the company's operations OR have experience in the industry...you just can't add up what you think each component costs.

    Interesting thread. Products that are "overpriced" are for one of two reasons: the cost to get those products on the shelf are high OR there are enough people out there who will pay those prices for the product. Though in some cases, costs are high and few will buy it, yet the product sticks around as a marketing tool to help with sales of lower-end products.

    The great thing is that if you consider a product overpriced, you don't have to buy it. If you do anyway, you're doing your part to help make sure it stays overpriced.

    I, personally, have a disease and will do silly things like pay four figures for a frame, or pay more for a set of brakes than my last mountain bike cost, or ... lust trumps value way to often in my biking world... which is okay 'cause there are plenty of reasonably priced products out there that will get the job done just fine for those w/o the disease or means.
    You absolutely nailed it.... Bike product margins are low. You guys should be complaining about your work clothes or even a GAP tee shirt.

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    $250 high-end helmets.
    $120 Chris King headsets (really...its just a small piece of metal with some bearings)
    $1500 carbon wheelsets
    $400 cassette

    The $200 Niner carbon seatpost I have on my bike
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    Most overpriced things in Mountain Biking...??????????

    This is a very interesting topic.
    I say that the situation is very bad.
    I start from frames, and I ask you if the prices of medium and high level seem reasonable? Carbon chinese frames paid their weight in gold or almost, this an insult to the intelligence of many people.
    Forks and rear shock over a certain price serve only to make us feel fashionable, am I wrong?
    I am not shocked by the prices of the pedals, but I do not understand certain prices on certain tires.
    Front and rear lights, if you need good products, have indecent prices.
    As in everyday life also about the bike clothing prices are sometimes surprising.
    In general I think that a good relationship between quality and price in a market where the only discriminating factor is the weight is very difficult to find.
    Currently I demand that my bikes are reasonably light and above all, reliable. About the rest I do not care, I do not want to spend my spare time to repair my bikes.
    I could go on, but I am sure you have figured out how I think.

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    this whole thread makes me lol. "what is overpriced that is overpriced" would be a better title.

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    What I can't believe is how wide the price range is on things. Perfect example is the XT vs the XTR line. Is the XTR line that much better. The price differences are drastic!! I'm looking into getting a pair of clipless pedals and the price range just on the Shimano stuff is huge!!

    I don't need XTR but I sure do want it. That's my biggest problem. The higher price somehow leads me to ponder how cool I would look with XTR pedals on my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    $120 Chris King headsets (really...its just a small piece of metal with some bearings
    I may be able to justify the CK headsets because at least that's a moving part - but CK headset spacers are absolutely ridiculous. $35 for a set?

    Gloves. Right now I'm testing $12 hardware store gloves for a report on my blog. I bough the "best" ones I could buy since my $40 Specialized full finger gloves started tearing. So far, I am loving my $12 gloves!

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    Chris King headsets have got to be on most people's lists. There are bearings in Gas Turbine Generators that spin at 10,000 RPMs in 600 degF heat that don't cost as much as a Chris King headset that doesn't even have to make a full revolution!

    (I may be exaggerating just a bit on the GTG bearing speed, temp, and cost, but you get the idea.)

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    I think carbon frames (even though I dig mine) are way overpriced. I think Chris King Headsets are not too overpriced. They last forever and you can always sell them used and get back 50% of your investment. But then again.....KevinGT makes a damn fine point.
    Getting a dropper post is like getting a bidet. I didn't know I needed one until I get one and boy, does my ass thank me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincipalRider View Post
    I think Chris King Headsets are not too overpriced. They last forever and you can always sell them used and get back 50% of your investment. But then again.....KevinGT makes a damn fine point.
    Even if they do last forever, most frames don't, and headset standards and sizes keep changing.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Jerseys and jackets for sure. I just bought a $179 wind jacket/jersey on sale at REI for $73...why couldn't it be that price to begin with? Seriously. The markup on shiz like this is insane. Don't even get me started on gear for your bike, not the stuff we don.

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    People are missing the point. High end mountain bikes/equipment is a relatively small market. Production economies of scale do not exist. The best example is the $12 pair of gloves. They probably sell 1 million units of that SKU to Home Depot per year. They pay $2.25 and resell to HD for $4, who in turn resells to you for $12. Endemic MTB and racing companies e.g. Fox, Alpinestars, etc are probably lucky to sell 5000 pairs of any single glove SKU per year. Their production cost is probably $14.50. They resell to the LBS for $24 who in turn sells them to you at $40. That's assuming you pay full price (doubtful). As you can see the $12 glove is cheaper to purchase but on a percentage basis the retailer is more profitable. This scenario repeats itself across the MTB industry. Low unit production = increased cost, which can not be completely passed on to the consumer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GelatiCruiser View Post
    Jerseys and jackets for sure. I just bought a $179 wind jacket/jersey on sale at REI for $73...why couldn't it be that price to begin with? Seriously. The markup on shiz like this is insane. Don't even get me started on gear for your bike, not the stuff we don.
    REI lost money on that transaction.

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    I don't mind spending a bit more for a piece of kit that will last, or has a great warranty, etc. Example - I paid quite a bit for a pair of awesome orange Race Face Atlas cranks. Not just because of teh color, but because they carry a lifetime warranty.

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    Carbon fibre mid-to-long travel FS frames. Least advantage for most expense equation in any kind of bicycling to my mind.

    That, and anything Specialized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GelatiCruiser View Post
    Jerseys and jackets for sure. I just bought a $179 wind jacket/jersey on sale at REI for $73...why couldn't it be that price to begin with? Seriously. The markup on shiz like this is insane. Don't even get me started on gear for your bike, not the stuff we don.
    Thats why you wait till Sh** is out of season.


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    The doctor bills when you crash real bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossluzz View Post
    Anything carbon, e.g., $150 carbon handlebars and seatposts.
    pricey yes but the handlebar at least gives a different feel to the bike so that the 120$ carbon piece you scour the internet to find on sale might be worth it. Seat post just the weight, but if you want a really light bike this may be one of the easier ways to lop off the ounces. Carbon stem though stupid as there are lighter aluminum ones. Carbon wheels, i am trying to convince myself i need this ...suddenly i have twice as much $ into my bike as what it originally costed , what a rip off

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincipalRider View Post
    I think carbon frames (even though I dig mine) are way overpriced. I think Chris King Headsets are not too overpriced. They last forever and you can always sell them used and get back 50% of your investment. But then again.....KevinGT makes a damn fine point.
    Most halfway decent headsets will last forever, unless the bearings are overloaded via user error.

    I've got a couple of inexpensive headsets that are 26 and 15 years old that have never had maintenance, and they still run smooth.

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    An easier and shorter list would be "Bicycles and bicycle related" items that aren't over priced.

    Anyhow, I'll play along...

    CO2 cartridges. A single 12 gr CO2 cost about $2-3 at my local bike shop. You can buy a box (15) of them at Walmart for $12 (slightly less thn a buck a piece).

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    An easier and shorter list would be "Bicycles and bicycle related" items that aren't over priced.

    Anyhow, I'll play along...

    CO2 cartridges. A single 12 gr CO2 cost about $2-3 at my local bike shop. You can buy a box (15) of them at Walmart for $12 (slightly less thn a buck a piece).
    I fully agree.
    There are many reasons that may help to explain certain prices. The relationship between supply and demand is dependent on many factors, some logical, others irrational. Not only about bikes.
    Some prices are crazy because there is a large number of people on this planet willing to pay those prices. Production and distribution have a very little impact on the final price, only marketing counts. Luis Vuitton, Ferrari, Rolex, Gucci etc are not very different from Colnago and Specialized.
    Only our critical thinking can help us to make the right choices and avoid the wrong ones, of course every biker has its own head, so each one indicates different products.
    I am 45 yo, I am passionate about outdoor from a long time, I think that when you exceed certain prices, you are not looking for something special, you like to show that kind of gear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dead Horse View Post
    Carbon fibre mid-to-long travel FS frames. Least advantage for most expense equation in any kind of bicycling to my mind.

    That, and anything Specialized.
    Give me an example of something from Specialized that is anymore overpriced than things form other major bicycle companies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Give me an example of something from Specialized that is anymore overpriced than things form other major bicycle companies?
    Specialized Bicycle Components

    How about $9500??

    Pretty sure a different bike manufacturer could make a carbon fiber 29er for less with the same or comparable parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Give me an example of something from Specialized that is anymore overpriced than things form other major bicycle companies?
    An S-Works Tarmac SL4 DI2 for the low sum of $12 000 ROFLMAO, it costs more than a Pinarello Dogma 2.
    An S-Works Venge super record for $14 000, i think they just plucked this number out of thin air.
    An S-Works Venge DI2 for $12 000, I never thought numbers can go so high.
    They have a number of other bikes in the 12k-14k range.
    Specialized have always been on another planet when it comes to pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuvok View Post
    Chain guides for SS or 1 x # setups.
    Who sells (or buys) SS chain guides?
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    People are missing the point. High end mountain bikes/equipment is a relatively small market. Production economies of scale do not exist. The best example is the $12 pair of gloves. They probably sell 1 million units of that SKU to Home Depot per year. They pay $2.25 and resell to HD for $4, who in turn resells to you for $12. Endemic MTB and racing companies e.g. Fox, Alpinestars, etc are probably lucky to sell 5000 pairs of any single glove SKU per year. Their production cost is probably $14.50. They resell to the LBS for $24 who in turn sells them to you at $40. That's assuming you pay full price (doubtful). As you can see the $12 glove is cheaper to purchase but on a percentage basis the retailer is more profitable. This scenario repeats itself across the MTB industry. Low unit production = increased cost, which can not be completely passed on to the consumer.
    I couldn't agree more. Most people do not understand the formulas used to figure pricing. Many Americans are used to lower prices from Chinese imports. So much so, the idea of paying for quality has gone out the window. I agree that many things are expensive but you usually get what you pay for.

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    The cost of your cardiologist 'cos you thought MTB was too expensive and sat on your arse for the last two decades...

    BTW the Chinese are comin' and the market is growing - prices will start falling soon

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    The cost of your cardiologist 'cos you thought MTB was too expensive and sat on your arse for the last two decades...

    BTW the Chinese are comin' and the market is growing - prices will start falling soon
    I've started to see Chinese carbon frames. Their owners seem happy with the quality.

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    How about entry level bikes using cheap parts going for $500.00 or more...If you read reviews on the parts they are putting on them they are called junk..SR cranks and shocks and tektro brakes and cheap wheels that bend on your first drop or jump...Entry levelBikes being sold i think are the biggest rip offs in the industry..Why pay 500 for a bike to have to replace everything on it? Was that frame really worth 500 bucks?...Best deal anyplace ive found for the money considering other brands use the same stuff for almost double the price.....Mountain Bikes | FRONT SUSPENSION 26 | MOTOBECANE | 450HT ORANGE | BikeShopWarehouse.com | The new <b>Motobecane 450HT</b> renews the long tradition Motobecane has for offering screaming mountain bikes that won't make you cry when you pay for them! <

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    is there anything underpriced?
    Yes, Labor for building trails. Most is donated for free and the local economies reap the benefits.

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    Overpriced vs Not-Worth-It

    I think "overpriced" and "not worth the money" are two different things, but are being used interchangeably in this thread.

    Whether something is "worth the money" is completely subjective, and will change from person to person. This will be affected by how useful an individual finds an item, but also by how much disposable income they have to spend on the sport. In other words, everyone's answer to this is valid.

    Overpriced (in my mind) means the item COULD be sold for less, and still be a viable product to sell. This can happen when there is little competition in the market for a given product, or when one product has some value associated with it that has little to do with the cost of designing and producing it.

    This (overpriced) is where the general public's complete lack of understanding of the business of developing, manufacturing, and bring something to the customer shows itself. This thread is full of examples of this.


    So, something could be reasonably priced for what it is but still not be worth the money to someone. Conversely, something could be overpriced, and yet be worth the money to an individual.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Over-priced vs Worth the price.

    I hear what you are saying. Lets look at a couple of products that I think are truly over priced, and not worth what people are asked to pay.

    1. Shimano brake fluid.

    A call to a LBS and I was quoted $20 for 50ml of shimano mineral oil. How much do you think shimano pays for 50ml of oil??. I run Pentosin CHF 7.1 in my shimano brakes and it has been working great for 5 years. 1 Liter of CHF costs around 15 dollars. So its 40 cents per ml from shimano or 1.5 cents per ml from an auto parts store. Thats 26 times the cost. You can talk all day about people not understanding how business works but when a comsumer can buy something for 26 times less that product is overpriced. Shimano does not manufacter the fluid. They purchase it in bulk for way less then I can get it for at an auto parts store and then bottle it and resell. The consumer pays 26 times what is necessary for the fluid for no other reason then shimano wants to make money. They could retail a bottle of fluid for $5 and still make a profit. That is the defination of an overpriced product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    I hear what you are saying. Lets look at a couple of products that I think are truly over priced, and not worth what people are asked to pay.

    1. Shimano brake fluid.
    ...and the other one? Seems like you hit "submit" before you were finished. Just curious...

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    Have brake bleeds to pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    I hear what you are saying. Lets look at a couple of products that I think are truly over priced, and not worth what people are asked to pay.

    1. Shimano brake fluid.

    A call to a LBS and I was quoted $20 for 50ml of shimano mineral oil. How much do you think shimano pays for 50ml of oil??. I run Pentosin CHF 7.1 in my shimano brakes and it has been working great for 5 years. 1 Liter of CHF costs around 15 dollars. So its 40 cents per ml from shimano or 1.5 cents per ml from an auto parts store. Thats 26 times the cost. You can talk all day about people not understanding how business works but when a comsumer can buy something for 26 times less that product is overpriced. Shimano does not manufacter the fluid. They purchase it in bulk for way less then I can get it for at an auto parts store and then bottle it and resell. The consumer pays 26 times what is necessary for the fluid for no other reason then shimano wants to make money. They could retail a bottle of fluid for $5 and still make a profit. That is the defination of an overpriced product.
    Yes, many fluids marketed for MTB are overpriced. In fact, some are just re-labeled products that sell for a fraction of the cost elsewhere.

    I didn't say nothing was overpriced, just that many of the examples in this thread are not in fact overpriced.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    camelbak big bite valve, should cost about 20¢, but costs up to $10 EACH in some places.

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    XX or XTR anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    I hear what you are saying. Lets look at a couple of products that I think are truly over priced, and not worth what people are asked to pay.

    1. Shimano brake fluid.

    A call to a LBS and I was quoted $20 for 50ml of shimano mineral oil. How much do you think shimano pays for 50ml of oil??. I run Pentosin CHF 7.1 in my shimano brakes and it has been working great for 5 years. 1 Liter of CHF costs around 15 dollars. So its 40 cents per ml from shimano or 1.5 cents per ml from an auto parts store. Thats 26 times the cost. You can talk all day about people not understanding how business works but when a comsumer can buy something for 26 times less that product is overpriced. Shimano does not manufacter the fluid. They purchase it in bulk for way less then I can get it for at an auto parts store and then bottle it and resell. The consumer pays 26 times what is necessary for the fluid for no other reason then shimano wants to make money. They could retail a bottle of fluid for $5 and still make a profit. That is the defination of an overpriced product.
    It's actually quite a bit worse than you are describing. There is no way Shimano actually bottles the stuff. They contract out the whole thing turnkey. A contract manufacturer buys the bottle, the label, the oil, the cap, the inner seal or foil, and the shipping case. They bottle per Shimano's forecast and send it to their distribution center cased and ready for distribution.

    Many of the consumer products, especially foods and household items, are made this way. US brands, in particular, are divesting themselves of manufacturing assets (and employees) and contract manufacturing their products.

    I am in the contract manufacturing business, so I like this trend.

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    presta valves for tubeless. You can buy two tubes for the same price.
    bite valves for the camel-back.
    Stans fluid. (my home brew is a fraction of the price, and I buy ingredients at retail prices)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcolletteiii View Post
    Dropper seatposts. Ridiculous.
    +1

    Much as we love them, at least 3 or 4 times heavier than a solid post, 5 or 6 times more expensive, and they last 1000 times less longer.

    When somebody invents one that is relatively light and WORKS RELIABLY for 5 or so years, I'll pay the ~$350 gladly.
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    +1

    Much as we love them, at least 3 or 4 times heavier than a solid post, 5 or 6 times more expensive, and they last 1000 times less longer.

    When somebody invents one that is relatively light and WORKS RELIABLY for 5 or so years, I'll pay the ~$350 gladly.
    GD Classic is good for 5+ years.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    ...oops!
    ...Well...what I meant was BAD local bike shops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazukea View Post
    My Sram 1099-XG cassette.
    sram xg 1080 cassette- $280 and the metal is so soft i got a couple months out of one before it lost a tooth and like a moron bought another that lasted one ride

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    just paid $99 for a SRAM 10 speed chain. with a discount!

    few i feel better now thanks for listening

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    Everything MTB is overpriced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirttrackin280h View Post
    Everything MTB is overpriced!
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    ...and some light systems.
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    Since somebody already mentioned tires I'll kick in disc brake pads. Damn near worth their weight in gold.

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    Really nice bibs cost more than $100.

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    Shipping on BBG bashguards. The bashguards themselves are fairly priced at $12 apiece, but shipping is $6 per bashguard. It comes surrounded by two pieces of cardboard taped together and 3 stamps! How is that $6 worth of packaging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak View Post
    Disc brake pads. I can a get a set of 4 disc brake pads for my truck for about half of what pads cost for one wheel on one of my bikes.
    This is so freakin true, I do my own work to my vehicles too and am appalled at how something so small has such a big price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barheet View Post
    Shipping on BBG bashguards. The bashguards themselves are fairly priced at $12 apiece, but shipping is $6 per bashguard. It comes surrounded by two pieces of cardboard taped together and 3 stamps! How is that $6 worth of packaging?
    Its not $6 of packaging, its packaging plus $5 of gas sending it on a truck. $18 total for a 50 gram bashguard is definitely not overpriced!
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