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    Missing Mountain Biker

    local missing rider.

    on sat morn, 6-21, while on a ride he crashed, then got separated from the group, and has been missing since then. there is a LOT of acreage and gnarly terrain surrounding the north shore trail, so if he suffered a head injury, became disoriented, and/or lost consciousness somewhere this could end up bad.

    your thoughts, prayers, vibes, energy, etc that Wes is found quickly would be most appreciated.

    thx.

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    I hate to see things like this... Hope they find him soon.

    But what the heck was he thinking not taking his cell phone with him?
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    can't say. perhaps since others in the group had phones with them he left his in his vehicle. i often do the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    can't say. perhaps since others in the group had phones with them he left his in his vehicle. i often do the same thing.
    I had a pretty bad MTB accident in 2010 and had to call in for rescue. Ever since then I dont go out without it. But to each his/her own.
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    Why are those searchers not on bikes?

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    Well that sucks.....

    My question is why did the group allow the rider to get so seperated from the rest of the group.

    Our group rides we regroup on a regular basis, just for these reasons. We don't allow the group to get so spread out that it takes that long if we have to backtrack to locate an injured/lost/mechanical.
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    I rode this trail on this same day day. I saw all the cops (I think it was in its infancy at this point) and wondered why. I'm assuming he was on the west side, the more technical side of the trail? If he was on the East side, it's so heavily traveled and lined with neighborhoods, I can't imagine getting lost over there. Even still, it's not like the west side has a network of trails, so I'm not sure why or how he could of wandered off into the woods and off the trail. I guess a head injury could do that to you, I don't know.

    A few weeks ago, I was on the west side of this very trail and re-aggravated a knee injury that I sustained in Arkansas the week before. I had to mostly limp out, riding slowly when I could, but the terrain on this loop is extremely rocky and unforgiving. It got dark on me and I had on RX sunglasses, with no lights, so I was starting to get pretty nervous. I can only imagine how this guy feels, if he's in fact still out there.

    The searchers might not have been on bikes because it's been pouring rain since Saturday night/Sunday morning.

    Positive vibes from this direction. Wish there was something I could do. Had I known at the time, I would have made a lap over there. I just assumed someones bike was stolen or had their car broken into.

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    Looked like some people were on bikes in the video. At this point he most likely isn't on a trail instead he is wandering in the woods. Either the head injury made him disoriented or he tired to short cut thru the woods to get back and got lost.

    Either way hope they find him.

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    Scary stuff. Let's hope for the best.
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    Also, some of that trail is pretty gnarly for an XC trail. Lots of tree overgrowth that can keep you from having line of sight with a rider, even just 20 yards behind/in front of you.

    I know there were several groups of volunteering MTBr's that rode the trail forwards and backwards looking for him during the first day of searching, but there's been rain since Saturday evening, so the search is probably being done mostly on foot at the moment.

    I'm still surprised that no one in the group stopped to give him a once over if his crash was as hard as they're making it sound. They mention in one of the articles that the riders in his group said he wasn't acting quite the same after tumbling, which should have been raising all kinds of red flags.

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    All my thoughts and prayers and good vibes out the missing biker.

    Not to derail (no pun intended) but just yesterday during a ride with 3 friends, one was separated from group (happens). He had cell as did we but coverage is spotty. His phone was low on charge to boot. I for one do not normally take my phone (shrug). He eventually made his way out on his own but it could have ended much differently. There are many things one can do (singularly and collectively) to prevent this as well as managing it when it does happen. Almost deserves a separate thread.
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    If the guy is still in the woods, he might have wandered off trail but I can't imagine him pushing his bike off trail through the brush. So at least his bike should be found trail side, unless he got out and rode somewhere else.

    This story makes me think about Liam Neeson's wife, who fell while skiing and thought she was fine. Went home and didn't get sick until a few hours after the fall, and ended up dying.

    I hope it is nothing like that, but head injuries are tricky business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    If the guy is still in the woods, he might have wandered off trail but I can't imagine him pushing his bike off trail through the brush. So at least his bike should be found trail side, unless he got out and rode somewhere else.

    This story makes me think about Liam Neeson's wife, who fell while skiing and thought she was fine. Went home and didn't get sick until a few hours after the fall, and ended up dying.

    I hope it is nothing like that, but head injuries are tricky business.
    they are indeed. not being there, i'm not sure how he got separated. it's easy to speculate or condemn since many of us would have "sandwiched" the rider or had him under observation as we left the trail. even more so after odd behavior subsequent to a crash. and more so yet for those of us in health care (especially those of us with an e.r./e.m.t. background).

    had a friend do a face plant out there on the same trails a couple of weeks ago and kept a very close eye on him for the rest of the ride. from what i understand it was a group of 4 that split into two groups of two. his riding partner somehow lost sight of him and then couldn't find him when he doubled back. then he panicked and rushed back to the parking lot thinking Wes had gone back to his vehicle. when he wasn't there they flagged down a cop and the search began.

    there are some parts of that area that are so thick that if you drug your bike even a few feet off the trail you'd be virtually invisible. if, not thinking clearly and trying to get out of the heat, he had done this it would be possible to pass within a couple of feet of him and not see him. the thick brush is what made the helicopter search fruitless.

    from what i understand it was also theorized that he may have tried to ride out and gotten lost due to a concussion, but were that the case he would have likely encountered someone by now and the authorities been notified. however, if this were the case and he left the road to seek shelter and then lost consciousness it could be very difficult to find him. possibly even more so than if it happened on the trail since he would be outside the designated search area.

    this is compounded by the scenario you mentioned with liam's wife. people with TBI don't always think clearly, and he may have made some decisions that led him off the trail to be safe (in his mind) and then lost consciousness. sadly, the more time passes without finding him the more likely such a scenario becomes. he's been missing for two full days and nights now, a significant fact given the texas heat and sudden flash flooding we experienced yesterday.

    i'm praying not only for his protection but for his wife and family as well. many, many lives are poised to be impacted here. and of course for the search team that they will have the guidance and stamina to find him quickly. the grim reality is that the more time passes the less likely the outcome will be positive.

    godspeed to all involved.
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    "the thick brush is what made the helicopter search fruitless" just an assumption but don't most police choppers have infrared? He could have went to the lake to cool off. Can't believe they didn't find bike yet. Scary. Also are there caves there? God bless him and the rescuers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamwa View Post
    "the thick brush is what made the helicopter search fruitless" just an assumption but don't most police choppers have infrared? He could have went to the lake to cool off. Can't believe they didn't find bike yet. Scary. Also are there caves there? God bless him and the rescuers.
    certainly seems to be a reasonable assumption. especially on the state trooper copter that was out there. news reports stated the DPS said they called off the air search because the thick canopy of trees made spotting anything challenging. i'd assume that means both visual and infrared, but that's merely an assumption. they had canines on the scene almost immediately with no luck either.

    very odd that no trace of him has been found. no bike, helmet, sunglasses, water bottle, nada. it's like he vanished into thin air.
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    Unfortunately they located the body of the missing mountain biker. My prayers go out to his family.

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    Unfortunately they located the body of the missing mountain biker. My prayers go out to his family.
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    sad indeed. found him in an area that had been previously searched. linky

    he leaves behind a wife, 2 kids under 6, as well as other friends and family.

    my prayers go out to all.
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    I doubt any of us ever consider the possibility of dying when we are heading out for a ride... I know that's the furthest thing from my mind. Such a tragedy.
    When I first heard the report on the news, I did not know that a crash was involved earlier on, so I was left wondering if it was an accident or homicide or??? I don't wish death on anyone, but I can deal with an accident doing something you love much better than the other.

    Many prayers to his wife and children.

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    How the hell did the people riding with him not keep a closer eye on him knowing that he had a bad crash during the ride? This sucks and thoughts go out to his family, but at least a portion of the blame goes to the people riding with him.

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    Damn that is awful ... This is one of my fears when i'm riding alone.
    My thoughts go to his family.
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    Missing Mountain Biker

    This is a horrible tragedy. Let's leave the blaming and what shoulda coulda been done out of it.

    Ugh. Feel so bad for his riding buddies and family.

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    That's terrible. Thought and prayers to the family.


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    sad news indeed. What else can you say. Really feel for his family, how hard that must be.

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    So sorry to hear this. My condolences go out to his family. I'll pray they find the strength to get through this loss.

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    Sad to hear. Prayers to his family.
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    My kids would do fine without me now, and some days I think maybe momma, too.

    Saturday I fell off of my bike and barely saved myself from a nasty 40-foot fall by grabbing a sapling as I went over. Even so, I managed to wreck a helmet and a jersey, my bike's resale value is shot, and my arm hurts.

    The good news is my ride partners would hear nothing of "Im just fine". Quick check for possible concussion, shock, numbness/weakness after determining no immediate life-saving action required. Slow ride back to the trailhead and another quick examination. Arguments about the emergency room.
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    Local evening news story was run that said the man's body was found in or near a ravine about 20 feet off the trail, down a fairly steep embankment. Police think that the rider's prior crash could have resulted in a head injury that caused him to lose consciousness or otherwise black out while riding and possibly went straight through the underbrush to where he was found. Body is with coroner for autopsy to find out actual cause of death.

    Sad day to find we lost one of our own on the trail, when it could have been prevented.

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    that rider's buddies are probably going to need some therapy for this. I can totally see them beating themselves up over this.

    I saw a guy face plant off of a 3ft drop once. smashed his nose and DEFINITELY had a concussion after a short convo/eval. was not part of my group, but one of my buddies got his truck and we used one of the emergency access points on the trail system to walk him out and drive him to the ER. I helped one of his buddies get his bike out. his buddies were amazed at the first aid kit that I carry on my rides when I pulled it out to hand him a bunch of gauze for his bloody face. situations like that are WHY I carry that first aid kit on my rides.

    this guy wound up being one of the students in a class I was TA'ing that semester. I spoke to him at the next class day, and he didn't even remember that I was there.

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    We don't know that it could have been prevented. It sounds like the guy probably went unconscious minutes after the initial crash. We don't know if the initial crash killed him or if the crash in the ravine killed him. We don't know that he wouldn't have died even if his buddies were holding his hand the whole time. We don't know how bad the first crash was, or looked, or if it is even reasonable to assume that his buddies should have known it was serious. We don't know if paramedics or an ambulance could have saved him, even if there was one there as soon as humanly possible. There's a lot we don't know.

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    After accidents, a bunch of people will cast blame and say there was something that could have been done to prevent it and if they had only done that thing, the accident wouldn't have happened. While that might be true, the reason they say that is to pretend that THEY would NEVER make the same mistake, therefore they will never get hurt or die. It's just fear talking. The truth is, you can carry a cell phone, have a first aid kit, wear a helmet, etc., and still something will happen that you didn't expect or prepare for. That's called life. Get used to it.

    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
    Tell us how you really feel

    Actually the old "thoughts and prayers' line has always seemed odd to me as well. And I wonder how many people actually do pray, or if it is just something you are supposed to say?

    I think it is sufficient to say you feel bad for the family. Or "my condolences" if you can actually communicate with someone affected. But "my thoughts and prayers" is like pretending you are doing something proactive!
    Anyway, just my thoughts. Whatever anyone else likes to believe is no concern of mine.

    Switching gears. They said he had a helmet. I would really be interested to hear the coroners conclusions. I don't expect that a bike helmet can prevent all head trauma, but if he died of head trauma with a helmet on, it makes me wonder how bad this crash must have been, and how it must have appeared to the other riders.
    It would be interesting if a reporter would track down the other riders for an interview as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
    Way to be a dick. Those friends just lost their buddy. The wife lost her husband. The kids lost their dad. You must be a joy to be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
    Sometimes a prayer is less about talking to a higher power and more about sympathising with a person whom is going through a difficult situation. It's about the desire for hope. It's about being human.

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    As a Christian I will say that many times the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is no more sincere than "hang in there" or "it'll all work out." And I have been guilty of throwing it out and then going about my day oblivious of what I had just said. Hopefully posting this will help me in not being so trite. As for the content of the prayers, for a believer, it really has to do as much with the eternal well being of an individual and his family as his/their current well being. I've been traveling on this planet going 65,000 mph for a lot of years and whether I'm mentally ill or not, I can't accept that the current state of the world is all I am living for and there is nothing else. I also can't accept a hope for the best... it'll all work out, as far as what happens after I die.

    As for his buddies, I really hope that something good will come out of this. So often there is a tragedy and out of the ashes, so to speak, people rise up and make a difference. Who knows, maybe someone will decide to come up with a good way to stay in touch with the other riders through a helmet radio or ??? Maybe groups will start to check in with each other more. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    We don't know that it could have been prevented. It sounds like the guy probably went unconscious minutes after the initial crash. We don't know if the initial crash killed him or if the crash in the ravine killed him. We don't know that he wouldn't have died even if his buddies were holding his hand the whole time. We don't know how bad the first crash was, or looked, or if it is even reasonable to assume that his buddies should have known it was serious. We don't know if paramedics or an ambulance could have saved him, even if there was one there as soon as humanly possible. There's a lot we don't know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    After accidents, a bunch of people will cast blame and say there was something that could have been done to prevent it and if they had only done that thing, the accident wouldn't have happened. While that might be true, the reason they say that is to pretend that THEY would NEVER make the same mistake, therefore they will never get hurt or die. It's just fear talking. The truth is, you can carry a cell phone, have a first aid kit, wear a helmet, etc., and still something will happen that you didn't expect or prepare for. That's called life. Get used to it.
    We do know that his first crash shook him up enough that his riding pals said that he "wasn't acting quite right", when they first reported this here in the Dallas area. Anyone that has been through an hour of a first aid class (in which head injuries are usually covered first) would have known that kind of response to a crash was a bad sign of a potential head injury, and that alone should have ended the ride, and they should have taken him to the ER to get checked out. Yes, it's possible he had an inoperable injury that he may have died from anyways, but at least he would have been in doctor care, not lying in a ditch, so to speak.

    I'm not going to place blame on the rider, or his friends, for what happened. It's possible that none of them had any first aid training whatsoever, and wouldn't have been able to recognize his different manner after the crash as a warning sign. However, that doesn't mean the entire event couldn't have been prevented from at least one of them taking a first aid class that could have given them knowledge of that warning sign.

    I don't care who you are, what you do for a living, if you have legal history, are gay/straight, black/white/tan/purple, I highly advise everyone to take a day out of your schedule to learn first aid and field treatment. Knowing how to improvise splints, how to recognize concussions, and tie off a make-shift tourniquet can save someone's life in more situations than just a mountain bike crash.

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    Maybe this is what happened:

    Wesley the deceased was riding with 1 guy (lets call him John)

    John: "Hey Wes, lets let those guys ride ahead. They're too fast for me".
    Wes: "Ok."
    John: "How about we take a break over by this ravine?"
    Wes: "Ok."
    During break:
    John: "I found out you are having an affair with my wife you dirty ^$#@#$#!!!."

    A fight ensues. John picks up a rock and kills Wes with a blow to the head, and drags him to a brush covered spot, hoping that time and the rain will obscure the evidence of foul play.

    John rides out to the trail head where the other two friends who are waiting.

    Friends: "Where is Wes?"
    John: I don't know. He crashed after we left you, but I thought he was ok. But then I turned around and he wasn't there. I tried to find him with no luck. Now that I think about it, he was acting weird. Maybe he hit his head harder than I thought..."

    End scene 1.

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    wow dude... better to keep speculative, ignorant comments to yourself sometimes. hint: this would be one of those times, since some of you can't tell...

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    I feel terrible for the Rider, his family and friends.

    Also sad that other Mtnbikers can make such thoughtless comments showing lack of sympathy. WOW.... a young person lost his life, a wife is without her husband and children without a Dad. Life will never be the same for this family while we keep riding.

    Yes, heart braking for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
    Or maybe it's just a way of being sympathetic to another person and not a religious thing ? maybe ... And maybe you sound like a dickwad who likes to get attention ... maybe !
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    Thoughts and prayers to family and friends. So sad that some feel compelled to show sarcasm and joke about something so tragic and sad. There's a place and time for sarcasm and a thread about a fellow riders misfortune is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post

    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
    What a total Dickwad rant. Try worrying less about what others think, and you may start to become a happy balanced person....it is clear you are a long way fro there now with that massive complex you walk around with concerning what someone else thinks or doesn't think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    After accidents, a bunch of people will cast blame and say there was something that could have been done to prevent it and if they had only done that thing, the accident wouldn't have happened. While that might be true, the reason they say that is to pretend that THEY would NEVER make the same mistake, therefore they will never get hurt or die. It's just fear talking. The truth is, you can carry a cell phone, have a first aid kit, wear a helmet, etc., and still something will happen that you didn't expect or prepare for. That's called life. Get used to it.

    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
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    Don't ride away from someone who laid it down and "doesn't seem quite right."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Wow. another terrible story. But this one is a little different:

    "It appears that he had started to backtrack on that trail and was carrying his mountain bike at the time that he went down,"

    What does that mean? Heart attack? Never mind. I don't want to encourage "speculative, ignorant comments"...

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    Whenever I go on a solo epic or a solo night scuba dive I always wonder how many days it might take to find my body. While I don't blame his buddies for the injuries or death I do blame them for the delay in finding Mr. Hixson's body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Maybe this is what happened:...
    the english language is wholly devoid of adjectives descriptive enough to convey the advanced level of fuktardian douchebaggary you've just achieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    the english language is wholly devoid of adjectives descriptive enough to convey the advanced level of fuktardian douchebaggary you've just achieved.
    I usually don't waste time to explain simple concepts to idiots, but for you, I'll make an exception.

    If you look at my posts prior to that one, you will see that I was cautioning against all the speculation going on in the thread. Assumptions about what the riders knew and should have done, assumptions about what happened even before he was found, etc.

    I simply illustrated a scenario that was completely 180 degrees different than what everyone was assuming. And, in fact, it is a plausible scenario. A guy is dead. You think the cops don't think about those possibilities?

    Your fake moral high ground is nauseating, but my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family.

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    THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, once again, to this poor family who just lost a husband and Dad. How f*cking sad is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I usually don't waste time to explain simple concepts to idiots, but for you, I'll make an exception.

    If you look at my posts prior to that one, you will see that I was cautioning against all the speculation going on in the thread. Assumptions about what the riders knew and should have done, assumptions about what happened even before he was found, etc.

    I simply illustrated a scenario that was completely 180 degrees different than what everyone was assuming. And, in fact, it is a plausible scenario. A guy is dead. You think the cops don't think about those possibilities?

    Your fake moral high ground is nauseating, but my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family.
    whoa! what happened to "Whatever anyone else likes to believe is no concern of mine."? this belief certainly concerned you. why? hit a little too close to home?

    i'm aware of your previous posts, completely agreed with you on this one, and would've repped you for it but couldn't because i was out and needed to reload. likewise i'm aware of the point you were trying to make, i just felt like it was a profoundly inappropriate way to make it.

    two little kids are crying for their daddy and are at the age where they likely don't understand why he will never come home to them. they certainly don't yet fully grasp the life-long implications of never being able to see him again. life events where they will yearn for him. experiences they will never share with him. they will long in their hearts for him the rest of their lives.

    his wife just lost her life-partner. his parents just lost their child. a community just lost someone who chose a career of service to others. and can you imagine what the friend he was riding with must be going through? his death will have a major impact on numerous people for the rest of their lives, and you still insist your comment wasn't the least bit tasteless and/or out of line? really?!?!? that's not fake moral high ground, my friend, that's called empathy.

    look bro, we all make mistakes and we all say things people take wrong - none of us are perfect. i too have said things that i felt at the time to be clever and innocuous but instead were in profoundly poor taste. but instead of considering the fact that, circumstances considered, it may not have been the best thing to say you want to stand behind it and justify it by making it everyone else's fault because they're too stupid to get your rapier wit? c'mon man, you're better than that.

    is it just possible there may have been a better way to illustrate the ridiculosity of wild unfounded speculation than the manner you chose and scenario you presented?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Damn that is awful ... This is one of my fears when i'm riding alone.
    My thoughts go to his family.

    Same here. About a year and a half ago I suffered a freak fall on a relatively easy trail I've ridden many times over the years and broke a few ribs. So there I was in the middle of the woods with no cell phone reception and no one else around, and it hurt like heck just to breathe. To say I was scared would be an understatement.

    Thoughts and prayers, and be careful everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    whoa! what happened to "Whatever anyone else likes to believe is no concern of mine."? this belief certainly concerned you. why? hit a little too close to home?
    My statement above was in reference to praying.

    i'm aware of your previous posts, completely agreed with you on this one, and would've repped you for it but couldn't because i was out and needed to reload. likewise i'm aware of the point you were trying to make, i just felt like it was a profoundly inappropriate way to make it.

    two little kids are crying for their daddy and are at the age where they likely don't understand why he will never come home to them. they certainly don't yet fully grasp the life-long implications of never being able to see him again. life events where they will yearn for him. experiences they will never share with him. they will long in their hearts for him the rest of their lives.

    his wife just lost her life-partner. his parents just lost their child. a community just lost someone who chose a career of service to others. and can you imagine what the friend he was riding with must be going through? his death will have a major impact on numerous people for the rest of their lives, and you still insist your comment wasn't the least bit tasteless and/or out of line? really?!?!? that's not fake moral high ground, my friend, that's called empathy.

    look bro, we all make mistakes and we all say things people take wrong - none of us are perfect. i too have said things that i felt at the time to be clever and innocuous but instead were in profoundly poor taste. but instead of considering the fact that, circumstances considered, it may not have been the best thing to say you want to stand behind it and justify it by making it everyone else's fault because they're too stupid to get your rapier wit? c'mon man, you're better than that.

    is it just possible there may have been a better way to illustrate the ridiculosity of wild unfounded speculation than the manner you chose and scenario you presented?
    Well I guess talking about death in general is a tricky topic. But I disagree that my suggestion of a possible murder scenario is any more distasteful than a suggestion that the other riders were to blame or partially to blame for this poor man's death. Especially in the context of satire to illustrate a point about speculation.

    This is an internet forum talking about a news event. I don't see the need to act like we are whispering in church.

    I don't mean to offend anyone, but I also have little patience for people who come to internet forums to have their feelings hurt and impose their own stupid sensibilities.

    I agree with everyone who expressed sadness and concern for the wife, kids, family and friends. However, that's not the only thought worthy of expression here. A thread of 50 posts saying "thoughts and prayers" is pretty boring, eh? But post what you want, and so will I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I don't mean to offend anyone, but I also have little patience for people who come to internet forums to have their feelings hurt and impose their own stupid sensibilities.
    Then why respond at all ? If you don't have patience for people like that why not move on and ignore ? You're just contradicting yourself ...

    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    A thread of 50 posts saying "thoughts and prayers" is pretty boring, eh? But post what you want, and so will I.
    And yet in a forum with 885,446 threads and 11,047,654 posts you decided to post such insightful replies in a thread you just considered "boring", why didn't you just moved on then ?

    Hypocrisy ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Then why respond at all ? If you don't have patience for people like that why not move on and ignore ? You're just contradicting yourself ...



    And yet in a forum with 885,446 threads and 11,047,654 posts you decided to post such insightful replies in a thread you just considered "boring", why didn't you just moved on then ?

    Hypocrisy ...

    Dude, I am part of this thread and it is not boring because it is not all "thoughts and prayers" posts, and I didn't say it was. Also, it is not hypocritical nor contradictory to respond to someone who addresses me directly, regardless of what I think of their opinion.

    Let's take you as an example; you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension, and I wonder if you even understand the meaning of the big words you used, but you asked me a question and I answered. It doesn't matter that you are not worthy of my time. You are welcome.

    You have good advice though. Ignoring you would be a good alternative.

    I'm not in favor of any more thread derailment, for the record.

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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    It's amazing to me that a thread about the accidental tragedy of someone's loved one can become such a low class cesspool of comments.
    I agree. Those other posters should take your pissing contest, religious views and conjecture elsewhere. As I tell my kids about 30 times a day, just drop it, going back and forth tit for tat is just plain childish.

    Back to what this thread needs more of: https://fundly.com/in-fond-memory-of-wes-hixson
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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Seriously. Take your pissing contest, religious views and conjecture elsewhere. As I tell my kids about 30 times a day, just drop it, going back and forth tit for tat is just plain childish.

    Back to what this thread needs more of: https://fundly.com/in-fond-memory-of-wes-hixson
    Me? Read the thread ass hole I haven't said hardly anything. Or quoted anyone. I made 2 sympathy posts out of 3 pages and you quote me as the jackass in the thread.

    Read the thread.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Me? Read the thread ass hole I haven't said hardly anything. Or quoted anyone. I made 3 posts out of 3 pages and you quote me as the jackass in the thread. Read the thread.
    Umm, think he was agreeing with you. At least that's the way I took it.
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    It's amazing to me that a thread about the accidental tragedy of someone's loved one can become such a low class cesspool of comments.
    There's a time and a place for everything so I won't say much more then I'm surprised you didn't expected this from someone, and Steve it appears wants to keep on smilin' and let it go


    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Back to what this thread needs more of: https://fundly.com/in-fond-memory-of-wes-hixson
    Thanx for the link, wow some have donated much, makes me feel cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Umm, think he was agreeing with you. At least that's the way I took it.
    There's a time and a place for everything so I won't say much more then I'm surprised you didn't expected this from someone, and Steve it appears wants to keep on smilin' and let it go


    Thanx for the link, wow some have donated much, makes me feel cheap.

    condolences to all his loved ones
    Oh well if that's the case I apologies to him. But that's not how I took it obviously. And after re-reading it I'm still not sure. Anyway get this thread back on well wishes towards family and friends going through these tragedies.
    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod
    whatever happened to "Whatever anyone else likes to believe is no concern of mine."?
    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    My statement above was in reference to praying.
    oh, ok. so whatever someone believes about praying is no concern of yours, but everything else is. got it. thanks for clearing that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve
    "A thread of 50 posts saying "thoughts and prayers" is pretty boring, eh?".
    not really, considering this thread was started specifically to request prayer for the rider and those looking for him.

    but hey... way to liven it up, dick.

    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve
    I also have little patience for people who come to internet forums to have their feelings hurt and impose their own stupid sensibilities. But post what you want, and so will I.
    just as little patience has been shown for the stupid insensibilities of yourself and others. and despite expressing such intolerance for it you were sure quick to get your feelings hurt and crap all over the thread because of it. disingenuous much?

    oh, and btw... thanks for graciously extending carte blanche posting privileges to us. that's mighty white of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Me? Read the thread ass hole I haven't said hardly anything. Or quoted anyone. I made 2 sympathy posts out of 3 pages and you quote me as the jackass in the thread.

    Read the thread.
    could be wrong, but i took it as him saying "seriously" in agreement with what you'd said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Back to what this thread needs more of: https://fundly.com/in-fond-memory-of-wes-hixson
    thanks for posting the link again. there have been a couple fakes, but this is the official memorial fund for wes.

    also, we're organizing a silent memorial ride at lake grapevine as soon as the weather allows. updates will be posted as they develop.
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    Here is a post from the DORBA Facebook page, via David Bennett, the last rider that was with Wes before he went missing:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/dorb...2274581909139/

    DORBA family,

    I have personally been contacted by David Bennett. David was Wes's riding partner and the last one to see Wes before he disappeared. David has personally asked me to post his comments on what happened. These comments have already been posted on David's personal Facebook page - everything you are about to read has already been seen, approved and commented on by Wes's family. This is not privileged information and is already in the public domain. David simply wants everyone in the DORBA community to know what happened on that tragic day. Here is his post in its entirety:

    I have been trying to not look at the media and peoples comments here on Facebook because I know people want answers and want something or someone to blame for the tragedy that happened this weekend. Unfortunately, I have seen and read the comments and knew this would fall down on me being that I was the last one with Wes and made a terrible decision to separate from him.

    There are a lot of people hurting I get that, so am I. Let's get something clear though, those of you that have stoned me and criticize me, YOU were not there. You don't know what happened other than what the media has allowed you to know. As a matter of fact, you weren't even there to aid in the search. You sit at the comfort of your home or work and pass judgment on someone from something you have no idea about.

    When Wes met up with us, he had mentioned that he had stayed out too late the night before and was a much better rider than what he was showing while on the trail. However, he still was riding fast and hard just as we all were. This was my first time riding with Wes and also my first time riding at north shore. I didn't know these trails so I let Wes lead. It wasn't long before he and I got separated from the other 3 in our group. Once he and I realized that we stopped and waited a few minutes but the group never came so he and I continued riding. Not much further we came to a spot on the trail that had some rocks on the trail. It was on an uphill climb so we weren't traveling very fast here. Wes' front wheel was caught on a rock and he fell over to the left side of his bike. We were on a hill so when he fell over he fell down the downslope of the hill into thick bush maybe 3-4 feet off the trail. I of course asked if he was alright and jumped off my bike and jumped into the bush to help him get his bike back on the trail. He quickly jumped up and laughed it off like it was no big deal like most guys do when embarrassed. This was no violent crash as the media makes it out to be. He fell over while slowly moving. Once out of the bush we both climbed to the top of the hill and were picking the burrs out of our socks and legs from the bushes and I asked him to call one of the other riders to find out where they were. This is when he told me he didn't have his phone so I began calling on mine. He began saying that he thought our group just passed us and I told him no one passed that they were still way behind us. He was adamant they had all passed and then stopped some hikers asking them what color shirts they had on as if the hikers may have seen out group. The hikers of course didn't see anyone either. I still didn't think anything of all of this.. Wes then told me that he was out of water and said " I'm gonna go this way" and pointed in the direction of a house with a road near it. I assumed that since he was out of water and pointed that direction that he was taking the road back to his truck. He rode off and I took the trail back in the direction I figured out group was. This was the last time I saw Wes. I will forever have the image of him on the top of the hill telling me he was going that way in my mind. That moment has forever changed my life.

    This has all been extremely hard on me. I continue to ask myself what if and I should have.. I wish to God I could go back to that moment and do something different. I can't go back and change the outcome of what has happened And I will always regret that. I would have NEVER left him had I thought he was injured or thought something was wrong. I am not that type of person. If blaming me and calling me a douchebag etc.. Gives you peace with all of this then I will be your scapegoat. Just know that I too am beating myself up over all of this.
    Still no official cause of death (that I've seen announced, at least), but the words of this man make it sound like there wasn't a genuine reason to be concerned after Wes crashed the first time, unlike what the media was reporting. So the speculation as to what caused him to die is still going to keep going, I guess.

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    Based on that fb post, it could have happened to any one of us. Wes fell over at low speed and got right back up. David didn't even know the guy well. I hope David overcomes his guilt. A tragedy all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    After accidents, a bunch of people will cast blame and say there was something that could have been done to prevent it and if they had only done that thing, the accident wouldn't have happened. While that might be true, the reason they say that is to pretend that THEY would NEVER make the same mistake, therefore they will never get hurt or die. It's just fear talking. The truth is, you can carry a cell phone, have a first aid kit, wear a helmet, etc., and still something will happen that you didn't expect or prepare for. That's called life. Get used to it.

    Also, what's all this prayer nonsense? What do you religious folk expect your imaginary friend in the sky to do? Before you found out the guy was dead, did you really think that your request to intervene would be honored? So if you pray right now for nobody to get hurt ever again, will that work? Does it ever work? Or is it just random chance? Are you guys mentally ill?
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    Seriously, plenty of dick to go around. Just move on from pointing them out and let's for once try to stay focused.

    Not taking any sides here (oh gawd no) but just feeling like it's taking away from a thread subject that deserves a bit of respect.

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    [QUOTE=Thor29;11285103]...what's all this prayer nonsense...QUOTE]

    Didn't think I'd see someone hijack the death of a fellow trailer to champion a beef against the religious. Can't imagine the place one is in that no tolerance tolerance for gestures of comfort and sympathy from the religious is to be found.

    My prayer for those left behind is that they are not disheartened by the insanity that comes out of this forum at times. There are a lot of really good people here that care, regardless of their stance on religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    How the hell did the people riding with him not keep a closer eye on him knowing that he had a bad crash during the ride? This sucks and thoughts go out to his family, but at least a portion of the blame goes to the people riding with him.
    I would echo this.
    We were out on a ride some months ago and l crashed, sustaining concussion (although l did not realise at the time) l got back on the bike but was not 100% My friends stopped the ride and got me
    out.
    I later found that the crash had smashed the screen on my phone, which was in my pocket.
    However this guy may possibly have told his mates he was fine, and he might have looked alright, as l did.
    A lesson to keep a watch on each other when riding in the middle of nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusdriver View Post
    A lesson to keep a watch on each other when riding in the middle of nowhere.
    Or riding anywhere for that matter. Or doing anything for that matter.

    (dirtjunky, ice cream was agreeing w/ you. not all quoted posts are counterpoints,
    heck, he has the grateful dead ice cream guy avitar. He must be a peaceful hippie.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusdriver View Post
    I would echo this.
    However this guy may possibly have told his mates he was fine, and he might have looked alright, as l did.
    A lesson to keep a watch on each other when riding in the middle of nowhere.
    if you will read the statement from the guy who was actually with him it will clear up your "however..." and may cause you to give your echo a second thought.

    i too agree with your last statement. life is a team sport.
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    Prayers for the family and friends. A sad reminder about staying safe and looking out for each other. I ride alone most of the time and this is what concerns me about doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Oh well if that's the case I apologies to him. But that's not how I took it obviously. And after re-reading it I'm still not sure. Anyway get this thread back on well wishes towards family and friends going through these tragedies.
    Yeah, DJ, I think you misinterpreted his post.

    If it were to have been a more "urban" kind of reply, it might have went something like this:

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    It's amazing to me that a thread about the accidental tragedy of someone's loved one can become such a low class cesspool of comments.
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    Word.

    Those bichizz need to take dat shizz up outa here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    if you will read the statement from the guy who was actually with him it will clear up your "however..." and may cause you to give your echo a second thought.

    i too agree with your last statement. life is a team sport.
    I did not find the statement from his riding buddy.
    I only read the one that said they "became separated"
    Can you direct me to the statement? As l looked but did not find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusdriver View Post
    I did not find the statement from his riding buddy.
    I only read the one that said they "became separated"
    Can you direct me to the statement? As l looked but did not find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petti the Yeti View Post
    Here is a post from the DORBA Facebook page, via David Bennett, the last rider that was with Wes before he went missing:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/dorb...2274581909139/



    Still no official cause of death (that I've seen announced, at least), but the words of this man make it sound like there wasn't a genuine reason to be concerned after Wes crashed the first time, unlike what the media was reporting. So the speculation as to what caused him to die is still going to keep going, I guess.
    Thank you for posting the information.

    There are a few things that can go wrong in just about any endeavor that become a "Perfect Storm" and this incident will make me think more about how and where I ride and if I even consider going it alone.
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    Yeah reading that l can see how the situation unfolded.
    The guy just pointed to a house in the distance and said he was going to get some water.
    He seemed uninjured and normal at the time.

    You can always look back at situations like this and say "what if".
    I often meet up with a friend for a ride. We separate near the end to go home, l then have to do a fairly technical climb followed by a fast descent off road.

    Although we would never leave each other if injured, after a minor crash where all seemed fine l am not sure we would not just go our separate ways, as normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusdriver View Post
    Yeah reading that l can see how the situation unfolded.
    The guy just pointed to a house in the distance and said he was going to get some water.
    He seemed uninjured and normal at the time.

    You can always look back at situations like this and say "what if".
    indeed, hindsight is always 20/20.

    wes was not pointing AT the house, he was pointing in the direction of a house WITH A ROAD NEAR IT. and since he pointed in that DIRECTION he assumed he was taking the road back to his truck. wes said, "i'm gonna go this way" rather than "i'm going over there to that house to get water". and even if he had said that, i don't know there's reason to believe he had a TBI. david hadn't ridden north shore before and could've assumed david knew a place to get water. in fact, david had never even ridden with wes before, so how was he to know what "normal" was with him?

    i don't know david, and i'm not speaking for him, but from the evidence we have there is little reason to insist he should have suspected wes had a closed-head injury.

    unfortunately there will be plenty of ammo for more speculation, assumption, and blamethrowing once the autopsy is performed and an official cause of death is determined. and when that time comes i'm sure this thread will be revived and turn into the holy grail of wild, errant assumptions and blaming.
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    You misread my post.

    The point you made is the one l was trying also to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusdriver View Post
    You misread my post.

    The point you made is the one l was trying also to make.
    apparently so. my apologies, i'll edit accordingly.

    it seemed to be sarcasm, especially when combined with not leaving each other after a minor crash. it seemed like you were saying david shouldn't have left wes either.

    thanks for clarifying.
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    You people, I swear. It was an accident, plain and simple. I was there riding that day, I rode right past him that day.. as did everyone else out there that day. Are we all to blame for not seeing him?

    MTBing is inherently a dangerous sport, we all know that. A guy at Cedar Hill died in the parking lot riding his bike to the bathroom, ffs. We don't get the decision to choose when and how, but he died doing what he (and all of us) love to do. Prayers to his wife and kids, donations to his fund, silent ride in his honor tomorrow.
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    There's this really odd human tendency to have to have an explanation for everything and rationalize cause and effect, probably to suppress inner fear.

    Here is the hard fact. Any of us could be killed any second by some circumstance beyond what we can anticipate or control. A tree could fall on you, your house could explode, a plane could crash into you, you could simply have a heart attack or a stroke or you could get hit by lightning or a meteor. You could also just put that front tire just 2 inches too far to the left and go right over the bars and break your neck.

    So enjoy your life. This is your moment in the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenrats View Post
    There's this really odd human tendency to have to have an explanation for everything and rationalize cause and effect, probably to suppress inner fear.

    Here is the hard fact. Any of us could be killed any second by some circumstance beyond what we can anticipate or control. A tree could fall on you, your house could explode, a plane could crash into you, you could simply have a heart attack or a stroke or you could get hit by lightning or a meteor. You could also just put that front tire just 2 inches too far to the left and go right over the bars and break your neck.

    So enjoy your life. This is your moment in the sun.
    ^^^This

    Well said.

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    On speculation-

    We get the benefit of a more entire and focused picture. Totality of circumstances enables one to connect the dots and take time reviewing many things that may or may not be relevant, the events or clues leading up to an incident and the outcome or result.
    On the trail, the rider/s have a quick snapshot of something and are generally not playing 'Colombo' trying to solve a mystery or make sense of events - yet to transpire.

    It's tricky to speculate without sounding like a know-it-all, condescending or insensitive. Hopefully, the goal is to be better advised of dangers or learn something along the way.

    Fact-

    Last week, I was on a ride above my technical skills and toward the latter 2 miles of uphill, exhausting my fitness to the extreme. Whether exhausted and blurry due to physical fatigue or dehydration, I know these two conditions cause me similar challenges.

    In this case it was exhaustion. I stopped a ways back from other riders to take a few breaths and sip some water. The bike slowly tilted right whereas my left foot was unclipped and supporting me.
    Sure enough, the ground to the right sloped off a teeny bit and I did a slow fall landing softly (somehow) on my right, partially on my water bladder and maybe not even contacting helmet to ground. The incident (to my way of thinking) is blurry because I was exhausted and not that I hit my head. I don't recall if I tried to unclip on the right and just didn't do so in time or the reach was too far to get my foot planted or did I even try ?

    My point here is if I had the bad luck of being next to a rock or tree stump and just slightly hit my temporal area even with helmet at a very minor velocity, it could have been a freak incident / fatal result.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenrats View Post
    There's this really odd human tendency to have to have an explanation for everything and rationalize cause and effect, probably to suppress inner fear.

    Here is the hard fact. Any of us could be killed any second by some circumstance beyond what we can anticipate or control. A tree could fall on you, your house could explode, a plane could crash into you, you could simply have a heart attack or a stroke or you could get hit by lightning or a meteor. You could also just put that front tire just 2 inches too far to the left and go right over the bars and break your neck.

    So enjoy your life. This is your moment in the sun.
    Absolutely.
    There is a control freak in some folks. Study the stats, Look at how and why some people make it and some don't etc..... I think the guy that wrote some interesting articles (if you are a survivalist) and even a few books is Laurence Gonzales.
    He'll tell you where to sit on the aircraft, keep your shoes on, stay awake etc...
    30 % of people that fall to their death in the Grand Canyon are posing for a picture! It's nuts.

    I researched motorcycle safety a while ago thinking that growing up on dirt bikes left a lot of gaps if were hitting the city streets and highways or doing commuting and blending with thousands of other motorists in bigger vehicles and blind-spots.

    I looked at fatality stats, night riding, visibility, helmets versus no, alcohol related incidents, riding with members of similar risk aversion and such. There is a distinct group of 'unlucky' people out there as you might guess but trying to do everything right

    Is NO GUARANTEE !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenrats View Post
    There's this really odd human tendency to have to have an explanation for everything and rationalize cause and effect, probably to suppress inner fear.
    seems a lot of it also has to do with today's short attention span culture. it's instant everything. no patience. quick to bring down the hammer and slow to give the beneit of the doubt. everyone has to have a cause they are either railing against or promoting - generally the former.

    look at the dog bite girl and kfc story. turns out it's fake, yet in only a few days over $130,000.00 was donated by knee-jerk social reactionaries. massive protests against kfc. demands for boycotts. then after just a wee bit of investigation it turns out to be a complete fabrication. oops.
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    DirtJunkie, yes I agree with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    Absolutely.
    There is a control freak in some folks. Study the stats, Look at how and why some people make it and some don't etc..... I think the guy that wrote some interesting articles (if you are a survivalist) and even a few books is Laurence Gonzales.
    He'll tell you where to sit on the aircraft, keep your shoes on, stay awake etc...
    30 % of people that fall to their death in the Grand Canyon are posing for a picture! It's nuts.

    I researched motorcycle safety a while ago thinking that growing up on dirt bikes left a lot of gaps if were hitting the city streets and highways or doing commuting and blending with thousands of other motorists in bigger vehicles and blind-spots.

    I looked at fatality stats, night riding, visibility, helmets versus no, alcohol related incidents, riding with members of similar risk aversion and such. There is a distinct group of 'unlucky' people out there as you might guess but trying to do everything right

    Is NO GUARANTEE !
    You forgot flying sharks...
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    I linked to this post in our local mtb forum and a couple folks thought it sounded more like dehydration than head trauma. Drinking the night before, getting out in the heat, feeling faint and out of water. Other rider said he didn't fall hard or hit head hard. Maybe he woke up and had little or no breakfast and just a coffee. Not to be all speculative but maybe he fainted on the trail then fell into the ravine. Just saying this so we all learn to be safer and remember to stay hydrated, carry enough (or more than enough)water and electrolytes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    seems a lot of it also has to do with today's short attention span culture. it's instant everything. no patience. quick to bring down the hammer and slow to give the beneit of the doubt. everyone has to have a cause they are either railing against or promoting - generally the former.
    Todays culture has nothing to do with it. Humans NEED to assign a cause for every thing. On the edge of knowledge where there isn't a known answer we will make something up to explain it. This is why the ancients, (not that long ago by the way) would react to natural phenomena like comets or droughts by sacrificing children or burning "witches" at the stake. It is part of the human mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    DirtJunkie, yes I agree with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.


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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    You forgot flying sharks...
    The " it won't happen to me " crowd seems to like Airplanes falling from the sky ! (a darn good example for that argument)

    Apparently, there is no distinction between riding a bike rapidly down hills off drops and over rocks a few times a week or being there when another rider comes plummeting down a hill at you and the certain death of living in a city with an airport.

    Maybe the upside of these topics is we can better determine who it is we'd want to ride the trails with and those to avoid. If you are a motorcycle enthusiast, you might feel your own safety can be influenced by riders of like-minded comma cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
    As a Christian I will say that many times the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is no more sincere than "hang in there" or "it'll all work out." And I have been guilty of throwing it out and then going about my day oblivious of what I had just said. Hopefully posting this will help me in not being so trite. As for the content of the prayers, for a believer, it really has to do as much with the eternal well being of an individual and his family as his/their current well being. I've been traveling on this planet going 65,000 mph for a lot of years and whether I'm mentally ill or not, I can't accept that the current state of the world is all I am living for and there is nothing else. I also can't accept a hope for the best... it'll all work out, as far as what happens after I die.

    As for his buddies, I really hope that something good will come out of this. So often there is a tragedy and out of the ashes, so to speak, people rise up and make a difference. Who knows, maybe someone will decide to come up with a good way to stay in touch with the other riders through a helmet radio or ??? Maybe groups will start to check in with each other more. Who knows.

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    We don't claim to know all the answers. We go through life the best way we know how. Well wishing and Prayer for this fellow and his family certainly isn't hurting anyone. Why anyone would be mad because someone else prays just makes no sense. Any angry heart I suppose. You don't have to be a "religious" person to wish people well and even pray for their general well being. You're not mentally ill, just a person of faith. Ain't a darn thing wrong with that

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    Hey Monogod, is there any update on the cause of death? I've kind of been looking a little online and on Tarrant County Coroners but have not seen any autopsy results.
    Any Dallas FW folks in the know?
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    not that i'm aware of through either dorba or the peeps i know in DFW.

    chances are the autopsy report won't be release for a while yet. will update as info becomes available.
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