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    Is it me or are older Mountain Bikers becoming worse trail users? I have lived in the same area and have been riding the same trails for 20 years (yep, I am an ancient 45 years old), I have noticed in the past year or two there are more and more older mountain bikers that could not give a sh*t about anyone else on the trail. I mostly ride with my son and we ride a local trail most days after he is out of school. We have had head on collisions with people charging downhill on a mixed use trail that can have a lot of high traffic (in Thousand Oaks, CA). It always seems to be 40 somethings blasting down the hill during prime time. We joke that they are having their mid-life crisis and are trying to be "awesome". The last guy that crashed into me flat tracked around a corner coming down about 15 feet ahead of me as I was climbing. I saw him, stopped climbing and pulled to the side and he still ran full speed in to me, twisted my stem and effed up my rim. I told him he was going to get the trail closed for all of us when he took out a hiker and he told me that I was lucky he was only going half speed...more words were exchanged (though now we refer to all trail a-holes as "half speeds", so that's pretty cool). I have also come across riders on this same trail yelling "STRAVA", no...really...as they bomb the trail. It is a great trail, but it is not worth getting crashed into by some guy trying to prove his manhood. I also trail run a couple days a week and again the riders have no clue about trail etiquette, at most I get "RIDER UP, RIDER UP, RIDER UP!!!!!"....really you can't slow down a little and ask to pass...or how about a bell. Today two forty something riders came up behind me on a hill as I was jogging (okay I was tired and walking ), they did not announce themselves, but I heard them and moved to the side of the trail. The first rider was either very tired or a complete hack and tried to run me over in slow motion, I had to push him back on the trail away from me and up the hill. Both these guys were in full matching lycra kits (tee hee), but old like me. My highly scientific observation is that there are a bunch of old dudes new to riding that think they are young dudes and are trying to be "cool" but are just being asses. What's funny(?) is that the actual young dudes I have come across (sons mid teen friends and random teen trail users) understand how precious our trails are and for the most part show great trail etiquette. What's the deal? Anyone else get this...?

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    They act the same way on the trails as they do on the freeway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimwg View Post
    They act the same way on the trails as they do on the freeway.
    You see them texting while riding the trials?
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    What do you expect after being married to the opposite sex for 20 odd years, thats enough to give any man a mid life crisis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11 Bravo View Post
    You see them texting while riding the trials?
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    You must live in the worst area ever! Here in Utah I have never seen/heard the mythical beast who yells "Strava". Still not convinced it exists. Our trails are pretty busy and I very rarely run into another trail user acting badly. If I do, it is usually an equestrian, and those are always old guys.

    I've found that when I ride with my kids, my sense of trail propriety is thrown out of whack because I'm a bit more protective and all trail users seem to be going too fast. I use these as teaching moments to show my kids proper trail etiquette.
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    Mid-Life Crisis Riders Lack Trail Etiquette

    Funny how 25 year old d bags turn into 45 year old d bags after 20 years.

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    I have recently have had a couple minor run ins with trail jerks. However, I encounter a much higher ratio of assclowns off the trails. (all ages)
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    Wow, OP, that sounds pretty awful. I rode a multi-use trail in my area once and that was enough for me. It was around dusk and there were no cars in the parking lot when I began the ride so I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that I was alone. Just wanted to do a quick ride before it got dark and this was the most convenient trail for that. I was going pretty fast on a section of downhill and came around a corner to see two 60 something ladies hiking...didn't hit them but it was enough to scare me into thinking I certainly could have and probably would have sent those two poor old ladies to the hospital in a hurry. I stopped and made sure I didn't scare 'em too much and apologized for going a bit too fast.

    They were fine. But that one instance was enough to make me stick to our local MTB trails exclusively where I suppose you could run into hikers/runners but I never have. When I'm riding I want to go fast and not have in the back of my mind that grandma might be out for a stroll around the next corner. Our local singletrack is ridden directionally, for the most part, so not a whole lot of worry about other bikers climbing when I'm bombing a downhill section.

    The only problem I have ever had on trail from another biker is a guy that got his lycra in a wad because my dogs were with me on a ride. They didn't even bother him. They were chasing me going downhill and he was stopped on the side of the trail. As I went by he yelled "get those dogs outta here d-bag!"...so naturally I stopped and had a nice conversation with him . It is commonplace for most local MTB guys to be out riding with their dogs. Everyone I know that rides with dogs is very respectful and keeps their dogs in line. This guy didn't even have a valid reason for why it bothered him and ended up calming down after we talked. Other than that I have never had a problem with other riders. Thankfully I don't have to deal with "half-speeders" lol.
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    I have never heard any one yell STRAVA on a trail. Never once. I actually found a really nice case of trail etiquitte this past weekend. I was climbing narrow two way since track. Narrow in that it was bench cut on side of a mtn. I am riding hard pushing and look up, but not very very far due to steepness of the climb. All of a sudden I see a downhill rider stopped by the side of trail letting my by 2 feet away. I never even saw him, but he saw me he had the time to get off the bike and off the trail. I thanked him and kept on rolling up the climb.

    That could have been nasty since there was no avoidance other off the side of the mtn, but the other guy was watching. The guy was older maybe late 40's or early 50's. Perfect example of why down hill riders yield to up hill. The hill was steep enough that he was above my sight line and one moment looking down cause him to be right there. My forward vision was sufficient for my slow speed, but simply did not capture the closing rate of the other rider.
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    I've never encountered the "Strava" yelling rider either. Must not have them here in Utah.

    I don't have a big issue with trail etiquette -- I'm mostly a no-harm, no-foul kinda guy. But I do see, and even know (since I'm getting into that demographic) many late 30's to early 50's riders who are just getting into riding, mostly for the exercise (can't run anymore, bad knees, heart scare, etc), and have little to no knowledge of the trail rules, probably because they are mostly unwritten. After all, there is no manual that comes with that $4k bike they just bought, and who reads the signs on the trails? I am glad that many of our local trails now have trails informing riders not to ride when muddy.

    For example, I was invited to ride with a 40-something relative and his neighbor who are just getting in to riding. We head up, and the trail is becoming a little muddy. I mention that maybe we should find somewhere else to ride to avoid the mud, and they looked at me like I had an ear growing out of my forehead. I said, "you know, so we don't rut out the trail." Their response was, What??? I thought this game was about getting muddy and dirty and all of that. Had another conversation with a similar group, and they claimed to have never heard that the uphill rider has the right-of-way. In both cases, seemed to be good guys, they just had never been informed of the "rules" and hadn't been paying attention close enough to pick up on them, I guess.
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    Have not encountered this species, must be confined to a local dispersal.

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    Yeah. I've found some of the most arrogant, d-baggy, pompous, Type A idiots are these salt and pepper hair poster boys for pharmaceutical commercials. Everything's a friggin' race, everything is absolutely serious, and the $8000 plastic bike on the blue 3-series roof and team kit caps it off all very nicely.

    Just go hit some super technical stuff. That's when a sales bonus can't buy you actual riding skills.

    I especially like when you call them on their BS, like, "Dude, is this a race or what?"

    "Oh, no. I was just checking out your bike... what year is that?" *huff huff huff huff*

    "1986"

    "Yeah..." *nothing else to say*

    That's when I roll my eyes so far into my head I can see my brain.

    These guys like to talk about adrenaline rush, extreme, wattage, etc. I told my wife that if I ever get like that, take a pistol and put a 9mm slug right into my forehead.

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    Using the responses in this thread as the sample metric, it seems to be a west coast issue.

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    Great, now it's the old guys that are the problem. Nice to see yet another group to look down on.

    In my opinion douch-baggery has no age requirements.

    And I really don't care about 26 vs. 29 either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    Using the responses in this thread as the sample metric, it seems to be a west coast issue.
    Yes. I also believe SoCal is the worse of the two halves of this state, too.

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    agree with previous posters that this must be local. I think the mention of the "California" in the OP explains it all.

    I have encountered the occasional db on the trails. The last one I recall specifically was in TX and I was doing some trail maintenance. db was one of the racers from the college team on a "training ride" and ran me off the trail. I called him out on it and he tried to make himself the authority on those trails, though he had never lifted a finger in maintenance. Good thing I personally knew the adviser for his team and I went up the food chain, complete with names (he name dropped himself like it meant something...moron). I think this was 2 or 3 years ago. So my rate of encountering jerks on the trails is pretty low.

    This guy MIGHT have been 20, so there's one of your future 45 y/o trail d-bags in 25 years.

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    Unfortunately, there are just a lot of aholes in general (especially in TO) and they spill over onto the trails. Especially on weekends.

    Having lived in the Bay though, it's not a problem limited to SoCal.
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    I have no problem with people earning paper & beginners rocking $4k+ bikes with respect to others. But, damn! Is this what andropause buys you? A pair of man titties, poor trail etiquette, and fronting like a college thespian. I seen it happen with college kids too. At least, that's what I've experienced in my locale. You can definitely see it in snowsports too; especially, the newly minted backcountry shredders that think an airbag will definitely safe them as they get plowed into/off a terrain trap by a 70mph dry slab.

    I think the worst is if you end up riding them with one of the above mentioned mouth breathers and you try tell them that they are being a-holes in a nice way, they talk sh*t and keep on acting like a fool.

    More the reason to keep lifting, riding my bmx, and respecting others on the trails to avoid from degenerating into these man-titted, mouth-breathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuitbiker View Post
    I have no problem with people earning paper & beginners rocking $4k+ bikes with respect to others. But, damn! Is this what andropause buys you? A pair of man titties, poor trail etiquette, and fronting like a college thespian. I seen it happen with college kids too. At least, that's what I've experienced in my locale. You can definitely see it in snowsports too; especially, the newly minted backcountry shredders that think an airbag will definitely safe them as they get plowed into/off a terrain trap by a 70mph dry slab.

    I think the worst is if you end up riding them with one of the above mentioned mouth breathers and you try tell them that they are being a-holes in a nice way, they talk sh*t and keep on acting like a fool.

    More the reason to keep lifting, riding my bmx, and respecting others on the trails to avoid from degenerating into these man-titted, mouth-breathers.
    lol, great post
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    Mid-Life Crisis Riders Lack Trail Etiquette

    Some massive generalizations. I'm in NorCal and haven't noticed any of this stuff - from older or younger people. I would think it's novices that don't know any better.

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    Please stop making fun of my man-tits, and the bike was only $2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Some massive generalizations. I'm in NorCal and haven't noticed any of this stuff - from older or younger people. I would think it's novices that don't know any better.
    Yeah... but you're a girl on a bike. There is a VERY small minority of d-bags that will f' with a chick - but those of us who are men encounter d-bags on a much more frequent basis. It's all alpha-male BS, testosterone pizzing on the trail. In any sport, this happens among men. Take a basketball game, for example, no man is going to dunk on and shoulder check a woman. If a man does that to a woman - he's a sociopath.

    Men? It's very common, from tearing off in a car when the traffic light turns green, to food eating contests. Your gender has a lot to do with your lack of experience with this. We men have to deal with these chub muncher alpha-males' fycktardery in all walks of life, from sports, recreation, hobbies and in the workplace - especially if you work in sales among other men (like I do).

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    Mid-Life Crisis Riders Lack Trail Etiquette

    Sweaty moobs really turn on the ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    What do you expect after being married to the opposite sex for 20 odd years, thats enough to give any man a mid life crisis...
    Is this a veiled argument for same sex marriage? LOL

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    OP, you must have done something bad in a previous life to attract so many d00sh bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    agree with previous posters that this must be local. I think the mention of the "California" in the OP explains it all.

    This guy MIGHT have been 20, so there's one of your future 45 y/o trail d-bags in 25 years.
    Don't blame us native californians, most of the d*bags get sent here from somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodgerdodger View Post
    Don't blame us native californians, most of the d*bags get sent here from somewhere else
    So....is California a nice place. Think I would like it there?

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    As a SoCal rider I know there are a lot of DBs out here. Everything for poor etiquette to a lack of understanding of etiquette. I've had people try to force pass me in the worst of spots and I've had people yell at me for not yielding right of way (pulling to the side and stopping) while coming down a 15 foot wide fire road. I chuck it up to the high population density that I'm just going to run into crappy people, I don't think age has anything to do with it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friz View Post
    So....is California a nice place. Think I would like it there?
    haha, no! it's awful and the weather sucks and all the girls are fat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post

    "Oh, no. I was just checking out your bike... what year is that?" *huff huff huff huff*

    "1986"
    You have actually kept a frame from cracking somewhere for that long?

    The longest I've had a mountain bike frame last me was 10 years before It got a crack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Sweaty moobs really turn on the ladies.
    That's cool, you get down with that. I respect that.

    But I gotta ask out of cereal curiosity, do females get down with motorboating too?

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    Re: Mid-Life Crisis Riders Lack Trail Etiquette

    If someone comes bombing up on me yelling "strava", s/he's is not going to get her/his desired results.

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    Why do the whiny hater threads get all the attention?

    Oops, I just contributed ... carry on.

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    I am a 56 yr old that lives in So Cal, I dont drive a corvette(i drive a jeep),I have more problems with the younger crowd with earphones on,I also do not perm or dye my hair.I am confidant enough that I dont have to go around everyone and if you are faster or slower than me, great,just have fun.A big problem I have is almost nobody recognizes that when my bike bell goes "ding" I am just making you aware I am there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuitbiker View Post
    That's cool, you get down with that. I respect that.

    But I gotta ask out of cereal curiosity, do females get down with motorboating too?
    Females are into everything - especially cereal!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Yeah... but you're a girl on a bike. There is a VERY small minority of d-bags that will f' with a chick - but those of us who are men encounter d-bags on a much more frequent basis. It's all alpha-male BS, testosterone pizzing on the trail. In any sport, this happens among men. Take a basketball game, for example, no man is going to dunk on and shoulder check a woman. If a man does that to a woman - he's a sociopath.

    Men? It's very common, from tearing off in a car when the traffic light turns green, to food eating contests. Your gender has a lot to do with your lack of experience with this. We men have to deal with these chub muncher alpha-males' fycktardery in all walks of life, from sports, recreation, hobbies and in the workplace - especially if you work in sales among other men (like I do).
    I can see that. Bummer for you guys cuz it's so fun for us!

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    I live in the Thousand Oaks, CA area like the OP. While I haven't had anyone screaming down the hill yelling "Strava" I would not be surprised with this behavior. I have noticed that bikers in the last few years have gotten less friendly on the rides and seem to be more interested in speed.

    Last week I was going down a somewhat steep set of switch backs and I saw two women walking their dog up the slope. I dismounted, and walked my bike down past them while I wished them a good day.

    "We've seen almost a dozen bikers on our walk and you were the first one to say hello to us. The others just yelled rudely that they needed to pass."

    This is not a good trend.

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    That's too bad. Amgen is in Thousand Oaks. Maybe they can squirt some xanax-like substance in the air in the surrounding neighborhoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toff View Post
    You have actually kept a frame from cracking somewhere for that long?

    The longest I've had a mountain bike frame last me was 10 years before It got a crack.
    Double butted 4130 chromoly, homie. It's the stuff us BMX'ers have running through our veins. Aluminum? Not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelscott View Post
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    "We've seen almost a dozen bikers on our walk and you were the first one to say hello to us. The others just yelled rudely that they needed to pass."

    This is not a good trend.
    I always say hi, thank you, or have nice day/walk etc to anyone I pass on the trail. The exception is the trail is wide and the hiker does nothing to move or acknowledge my existence. These types tend to have ear buds anyway.
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    At 43 I guess I fall into the group we're discussing, except I'm always polite to other trail users. I do have a few questons about trail etiquette--

    1) When I pass another biker going the same direction what should I say? Do I pass on the left?

    2)What should I say when I pass walkers, same thing?

    3) Down hill yealds to up hill, right?

    4) If I break wind and nobody is around is it ok to laugh?

    5) What the hell does STRAVA meen?

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    1) Passing on the left is best, but it depends on the trail. A nice "hi" or "on your left". A lot depends on speed difference and trail features. You can also say "Like pass when you get a chance". I have heard that in races. Nice "thank you" is good

    2) Yes for the most part and again a nice pleasant "thank you" is good make people feel a little less like they are being run over.

    3) Yes, but if you going up hill and you see some fast downhill riders it may help give them room or simply wait till they pass if you are already off the bike. Again it depends, but helps most if you respect everyone else just being on the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post
    2)What should I say when I pass walkers, same thing?
    One thing I've learned is never assume that when you announce to hikers "passing on your left" that they hear or understand what you mean, especially if there are two hikers together. I find if there are two, they tend to scatter in random directions once you announce your intention to pass. So always slow way down and wait until they comprehend what's going on to pass, and of course make sure to say HI and THANKS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    One thing I've learned is never assume that when you announce to hikers "passing on your left" that they hear or understand what you mean, especially if there are two hikers together. I find if there are two, they tend to scatter in random directions once you announce your intention to pass. So always slow way down and wait until they comprehend what's going on to pass, and of course make sure to say HI and THANKS!
    Or, just put Avid brakes on your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post

    4) If I break wind and nobody is around is it ok to laugh?
    You laugh at yourself for breaking wind, when you are by yourself?
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    Regardless of everyones opinions, the OP is well written and seriously brings the funny. "ran into me in slow motion".......that seriously cracked me up. Plus rep OP!

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    So I guess if you are a older guy that has a nice bike
    and drives a BMW that makes you a DB? Also a lot of
    people in SoCal come from somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Some massive generalizations. I'm in NorCal and haven't noticed any of this stuff - from older or younger people. I would think it's novices that don't know any better.
    Yep, as a 50 something who's been riding for 30 years, I am still courteous on the trails and encourage younger / new riders. I don't see that on the trails I ride in CO, but there are always tools to deal with wherever we are.

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    So I guess if you are a older guy that has a nice bike
    and drives a BMW that makes you a DB? Also a lot of
    people in SoCal come from somewhere else.
    No. *****baggery is all attitudinal.

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    So I guess if you are a older guy that has a nice bike
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    people in SoCal come from somewhere else.
    No. Being a d-bag makes you a d-bag.

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    I'm east of the mississippi and I haven't seen anything like what the OP describes. Most people on my trails are excited when they come across another rider and a brief conversation typically ensues.

    If I heard someone yell strava, the defiant little boy inside me, given enough time, would probably do whatever he could think of to delay the rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    One thing I've learned is never assume that when you announce to hikers "passing on your left" that they hear or understand what you mean, especially if there are two hikers together. I find if there are two, they tend to scatter in random directions once you announce your intention to pass. So always slow way down and wait until they comprehend what's going on to pass, and of course make sure to say HI and THANKS!
    Quote Originally Posted by borabora View Post
    Or, just put Avid brakes on your bike.
    My stupid noisy rear hub (Hope) seems to do a good job letting people know I'm approaching.

    Despite being in the target demographic for a mid-life crisis, I've been riding long enough that caution and courtesy to other trail users has become instinctive. Of course, I also don't have any illusions of being hardcore or fast...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Yeah... but you're a girl on a bike. There is a VERY small minority of d-bags that will f' with a chick - but those of us who are men encounter d-bags on a much more frequent basis. It's all alpha-male BS, testosterone pizzing on the trail. In any sport, this happens among men. Take a basketball game, for example, no man is going to dunk on and shoulder check a woman. If a man does that to a woman - he's a sociopath.
    I must be a sociopath then, since I don't pull punches when competing at anything with the opposite sex. Oh well.

    I too have never heard someone yell "STRAVA!" on the trails by where I live (but admittedly, I'm a newbie / beginner). But that gives me an idea.. the next time I see some old lady coming up from behind me, I'm going to mutter / start saying / yelling.. "STRAVA! STRAVA!" until she passes me.

    PS: what is strava anyways?

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    I have to admit, if someone yelled "Stava" coming up behind me I would probably try to get in their way (I certainly wouldn't move over) just like I slow down when someone tailgates me.

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    Gotta love the hasty generalizations in this thread. I have never witnessed the ever elusive STRAVA beast here in So Cal either. The whole Nor Cal vs So Cal thing has always made me chuckle because whenever I have seen or heard mention of it the only people making comments are from Nor Cal. I see and talk with cool people on almost every ride. Jerks live everywhere, transplants or natives, young and old. I don't let my panties get all bunched up about it.

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    ". I have also come across riders on this same trail yelling "STRAVA"

    Oh, my god, I am SO going to use this when I pass the local Lycra-weenies....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuyOnABike View Post
    I must be a sociopath then, since I don't pull punches when competing at anything with the opposite sex. Oh well.
    You would shoulder check a woman? How about a forearm or elbow to the temple of a woman? Maybe a foot stomp?

    On a bicycle, you would draft a woman and pass aggressively? Maybe throw a little elbow fight in there for good measure? Oh, and this is just on the trail - no racing... right? I've elbow fought with a few dudes at CX and MTB races - but geez, if you're looking to do that with a female on the multi-use trail...

    Guess that's how you were raised...

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    Hmmm....interesting thread....I have seen such creatures in the riding areas around Placer County in Northern California, most specifically at Folsom Lake in Granite Bay. A bit of that area is relatively affluent and with such affluence comes a mindset in many of the residents that everything is a challenge to be overcome, a race to be won. Trying to keep from generalizations here, notice I said "many" of the residents. To get to where they are in life, to live in that area, you do have to work hard at what you do to generate the funds to do so. Having the appropriate attitude helps in business, but unfortunately they take that into other areas of their life....which for some is mountain biking.

    Yes, not every affluent mountain biker in the area riding the trails I ride is like this, but I have seen individuals and groups that are of the type mentioned by the OP and others in this thread: mid-life, out to prove something or taking everything as a race, riding some sort of expensive set of wheels that arrived at the trailhead mounted on another expensive set of wheels....

    Beside the antics on the trail, I love the parking-lot posing of this type, where they evaluate your worth as a human being by the vehicle you drive and the bike you ride. Usually they take a long time getting themselves set up for their ride, making sure they are noticed by others who are there. It is important to them that all observing them have the opportunity to bask in the greatness just dripping from them. The little people getting to experience greatness. Once they let you take in all their wonder they look you over, then look down their nose at you when you don't stack up to their level.

    There is one group I always see who is rather loud and boisterous when getting their gear out of their vehicles, talking about the latest expensive bike part acquisition or new wonderbike in their fleet, the accomplishments they have racked up, and so on. Lots of bragging, lots of testosterone (natural or applied/ingested), lots of bullsh*t. Fortunately, I experience these 'tards usually at the end of my rides, as I get off work early enough and get my ride done before they show up. I am putting away my stuff as they are going out. I have seen them out on the trails though, and they carry the d-bag "winner" and "I'm more important than you!" attitudes out on the trail with them. I have seen altercations between them and other trail users, and have received nice comments from peds and equestrians when they get trail courtesy from me after dealing with those asshats.

    Bad thing is, a lot of these people also have children who they have gotten into mountain biking...and you know how adult cockroaches beget young cockroaches....the legacy continues...their kids are di*ks too...

    By the way, I am mid-life (47 next month), have done pretty well for myself to consider myself in the range of "affluence" by many standards, and I can be quite competitive. By outward appearances I probably do not look too much different from these d'bags I am hacking on. It is all about the attitude and how you treat others. These idiots do make a bad name for all mountain bikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    You would shoulder check a woman? How about a forearm or elbow to the temple of a woman? Maybe a foot stomp?

    On a bicycle, you would draft a woman and pass aggressively? Maybe throw a little elbow fight in there for good measure? Oh, and this is just on the trail - no racing... right? I've elbow fought with a few dudes at CX and MTB races - but geez, if you're looking to do that with a female on the multi-use trail...

    Guess that's how you were raised...
    Yes, I actually would.. because (in the activities you listed).. I would expect the same to happen to me (Aikijitsu / Kenjitsu). Might have been the way I was raised, then again.. if you're (a female).. practicing self-defense / offense against a partner (a male) that keeps holding back.. what good does that do you in a RL situation?

    Umm.. on a bike? Not so much, as its not a full contact sport! That.. and I'm not really a MTB racer.. more of a casual trail rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    Using the responses in this thread as the sample metric, it seems to be a west coast issue.
    im in SoCal... never heard anyone yell Strava

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Beside the antics on the trail, I love the parking-lot posing of this type, where they evaluate your worth as a human being by the vehicle you drive and the bike you ride. Usually they take a long time getting themselves set up for their ride, making sure they are noticed by others who are there. It is important to them that all observing them have the opportunity to bask in the greatness just dripping from them. The little people getting to experience greatness. Once they let you take in all their wonder they look you over, then look down their nose at you when you don't stack up to their level.
    Hey, are these the same guys that, should you have occasion to talk to them on the trail, never make eye contact because they are too busy looking your bike and gear over to assess? I love those guys ...
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    What is Strava? Is it something other than the gps app I just found via Google? I use Edmondo, I guess I should start yelling Edmondo every time I run or bike, does that make you cooler or faster or something?

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    Yes it is a GPS app. It pits your times on sections of road/trails against other Strava users. Creating an impromptu race every time you ride. People who have the fastest times on sections are called "King of the Mountain" or KOM. If your title gets taken from you Strava emails you to let you know.

    It is making people crazy.

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    Good lord. Sounds like a fun concept, but I think I'll stay away just to not get lumped in with the retards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchD View Post
    A big problem I have is almost nobody recognizes that when my bike bell goes "ding" I am just making you aware I am there
    One of our local trails by a creek has a lot of foot traffic on weekends when it is warm enough to swim. I was dinging my bell trying to get around a guy ahead of me who, it turns out, was so loaded/stoned that he thought the bell was an internal sound in his head signaling that he was having a thought. When he finally realized that it was a sound from out in the world, he laughed, explained the problem and let me by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedinblue View Post
    What is Strava? Is it something other than the gps app I just found via Google? I use Edmondo, I guess I should start yelling Edmondo every time I run or bike, does that make you cooler or faster or something?
    Yes, someone riding around yelling "Edmondo!" would be extremely cool in my book. In addition, wearing a Mexican wrestler's mask would ratchet things up nicely. This would immediately confer anti-Strava superpowers. Cape or no cape, your call. You may have something going there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedinblue View Post
    Good lord. Sounds like a fun concept, but I think I'll stay away just to not get lumped in with the retards.
    For those of us who couldn't give a **** about racing and the koms, strava is actually quite useful in mapping your ride and keeping track of time, distance, elevation changes, speed, etc... It also does a great job at doing the same thing for kayaking, hiking, jogging, walking, etc... Also, it keeps track of ytd miles and total miles, which is nice for someone like me who wants to keep track of total miles I have on my one bike. Not everyone that uses it is an *******.

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    So lets get this straight. Young guy blasting downhill are the awesome and the most righteous? Guys pushing 40 are just d bags and trying to prove something?

    First thing first, in the 40 years I have been living I have realized there is one universal truth. That is there are a lot of idiots, *******s and ******buckets. Truth be told I'm often surprised a good number of them can breathe own their own.

    Second thing is stereotyping people based on age, sex, race, or anything pretty much puts you in the first thing.

    Third thing, yes, you are somewhat correct. At 40 I'm out there pushing myself up hill and downhill. Does that mean I'm a dick or reckless? I never intentionally put any other trail users at risk. In fact I'm usually in more control than others may think. Having spent more than my fair share in the ER over the last 40 years I don't have any desire to pay them another visit.

    All that said 99% of the people I encounter on the trail are courteous and good people. Which is pretty much opposite of the general population.

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    This thread caused a lot of butt hurt.

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    I'm yelling "STRAVA" on my next climb... LOL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    So I guess if you are a older guy that has a nice bike
    and drives a BMW that makes you a DB? Also a lot of
    people in SoCal come from somewhere else.
    most BMW drives are already DB's. Especially the drivers of black BMW's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    One of our local trails by a creek has a lot of foot traffic on weekends when it is warm enough to swim. I was dinging my bell trying to get around a guy ahead of me who, it turns out, was so loaded/stoned that he thought the bell was an internal sound in his head signally that he was having a thought. When he finally realized that it was a sound from out in the world, he laughed, explained the problem and let me by.
    that is what mountain biking is all about

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    I pulled a trail etiquette snafu a while back. I was coming down a tight pretty easy single track at a pretty good pace and came up on a rider who was clearly a beginner going in the same direction. I slowed to match his pace so I could pass later (doubled tracked in about 20 yards). I was what I felt as a comfortable distance back (around two or three bike lengths). He looked back over his should, panicked, steered in the direction he was looking and biffed into the brush. The distance I was comfortable with, he was clearly not. I apologized, he said no problem. The guys I ride with are usually separated similarly (bigger gap if technical) so I guess its perspective.

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    STRAVA-tards are going to screw it up for all of us. I've been fortunate not to run into any, heaven help them if I did...

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    I've heard of the mythical Strava beast, but the only time I hear it is when me and my buddies yell it at eachother as we pass eachother!
    Just circles turning circles....

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    Look, you young bucks, just because us older guys drive nicer cars than you, live in nicer houses than you, ride nicer bikes than you, and ride them FASTER than you, doesn't mean we're in a midlife crisis! My second wife accused me of that after I bought my new ASR-5C XTR and complained that I couldn't find a rack that fit my 911 turbo.

    Oh, yeah, we also have hotter girlfriends than you do! Just ask my third wife!

    Mid-life crisis...pfffft.

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    Live in so cal, check
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    (semi)expensive bike, check
    ride as hard as i can, check

    Damn OP, im one of your mid life crisis guys (minus the strava).

    I make a point to say "good morning" or some such pleasantry to everyone i pass on trail. I slow down for hikers, and near stop for equestrians. I am sure those trail users think im a nice guy.

    Im also sure many bike riders ive encountered have thought i was a dbag. I follow trail etiquette. Uphill has right of way. If im climbing i will take and hold my line. I will not stop. Im a big boy, you do not want to run into me. Go around me, its easy to do when you have gravity on your side. When i am going downhill i will give you the line. I will go off trail to get around you, hold your line. I will not stop. I will not slow down if i do not have to. Hold your line and there is no risk of collision. If i have caught up to you and am on your ass, i am faster than you. I am not racing you, i just want to get the hell around you. Hold your line, i will go off trail if need be to get around you. Hold your line and there is no risk of collision.

    I have had encounters with riders i offend with this behavior. I have had encounters with riders who think im in macho race mode. Im not, just riding at a pace i consider fun. As far as i am concerned i DO follow trail etiquette to the tee and am not shy about educating people on trail if they want to have words with me.

    Perhaps i AM the mid life crisis stereo type OP refers to. Or... perhaps it is that very stereo type i offend with the way i ride.

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    Riding off trail to get around people is what makes you look like a dbag.

    When I come up on someone slower, I take it easy until there is a spot to pass where we are both on the trail or when the slower rider feels comfortable stopping. When I am the slower rider I handle it the same way.

    What's the rush? Can you only enjoy yourself at one speed? I really don't care how fast I'm going as long as I'm riding.

    A little patience goes a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    A little patience goes a long way.
    Im on a strict monthly allotment of patience. If i use it up on my bike rides i wont have any left for the work week.

    edit (rather than spam a thread): I am a happy person. My rides are a joyful expression of self performed with a smile plastered on my face. I am out there having fun. I have the most fun at full throttle, so am not overly patient with trail obstacles. I do everything in my power to keep my cadence flowing, the smile on my face, and i make sure to yell "good morning" to everyone i encounter. I do not go off trail unless there are no other options. I do not rip around people with a "get the hell off my trail" vibe. But i will most certainly blow past a rider at full speed if i see an opportunity to do so, and expect those passing ME to do the same.
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    Might as well yell STRAVA! too. It'd complete the aura of dbag.

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    Thats actually been a running joke with the guys i ride with. None of us use it, but we yell it at each other when we pass.

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    Just to add to the pile on here. I resemble the OP's complained of demographic. I hit 40 this next month, have a couple of BMWs (owned free and clear), live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, have what could only be called a fleet of bikes when you include wife 2.0's and my 9 year old son's, and make what most would consider, a good living. Most importantly, I am happy.

    There are guys that fit my demographic that are raging aholes. But guess what, these same raging aholes exist everywhere, male, female, black/white/latino(a)/middle eastern/asian, ages 20-90.

    The class A aholes will not change. What you can change is how you deal with them. Remember, behind every ahole is a miserable person projecting their own issues. Rather than let them foist it on you, take a deep breath, let it go, and remind yourself "it must suck to be them". Trust me, they are miserable. I know enough people that fit the description, are highly successful, make lots of money, and are in miserable marriages or so utterly insecure that they push to the point of constant personal self-destructiveness.

    When you run into other users on the trail, be nice to them, regardless of their attitude (unless of course they are outright threatening you). Some will grunt, some will give you dirty looks, and some surprisingly, will waive, say hello, and thank you for calling out. Most of all, remember, riding time is a time to let stress go, so don't let others put it on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinGT View Post
    Look, you young bucks, just because us older guys drive nicer cars than you, live in nicer houses than you, ride nicer bikes than you, and ride them FASTER than you, doesn't mean we're in a midlife crisis! My second wife accused me of that after I bought my new ASR-5C XTR and complained that I couldn't find a rack that fit my 911 turbo.

    Oh, yeah, we also have hotter girlfriends than you do! Just ask my third wife!

    Mid-life crisis...pfffft.

    (DISCLAIMER: while I am older this post is in jest. I don't drive a Porsche, I drive a BMW. My ASR-5 is aluminum, not carbon fiber and it has XT not XTR. And I've been married to the same hot woman for 23 years
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    Darn the bad luck

    Thread is full of ego driven win

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    I grew up around the Fullerton Loop, and most of my time on it has been running and hiking which is when I noticed bikers more. Bikers are supposed to yield to foot traffic and horses. Of course there are those that don't and ride like it's a closed course.

    There really isn't a specific group that behaves like that. Perhaps it's because this trail has a lot of traffic in general. The running crew just don't like those fat guys on downhill bikes walking to the top and bombing down disregarding anyone on the path. However, I've had no such problem on my bikes or e-bikes. It's all about common courtesy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMacMan View Post
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    Thread is full of ego driven win

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRingGrinder View Post
    Thats actually been a running joke with the guys i ride with. None of us use it, but we yell it at each other when we pass.
    Perhaps "strava!!!" Should take the place of "passing on your left!" As common etiquette.
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Six Pack View Post
    Perhaps "strava!!!" Should take the place of "passing on your left!" As common etiquette.
    Couldn't be any worse, I usually slow to walking speed when ever I pass a ped, because shouting "passing on your left" usually results in them moving to their left when they turn their head to look.

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    I have to side with the idea that D-bags come in all flavors. It seems that most of them are older but older riders make up 90% of who I come across. Ive yet to come across a young moron.

    Im not really bothered by the speed or lack of "hello", after all we've all made mistakes. I got a lil closer to a hiker then I planned today albeit due to brake failure. What really pisses me off are the guys so hell bent on beating some record that they need the latest greatest energy goo crud and of course dont have time to properly dispose of it. So instead the 45 year old throws it off of his $4k bike onto the trail and I have to pick it up. Not every 45 year old with a $4k does this, but everybody i see do it is 45 years old with an $4k bike
    Just some yahoo on a Wahoo

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    If you havent seen the 40 year old d-bag on the trail,....... then its probably you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    If you havent seen the 40 year old d-bag on the trail,....... then its probably you


    Nah, I'm quite a bit older than that.

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    Sounds like "caffeine boy", eats too much goo.. Roams TO trails, goes CRAZY fast through blind corners. They must be putting bath salts in those gel packs

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    Re: Mid-Life Crisis Riders Lack Trail Etiquette

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    You just made the list pal!

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    So let me get this straight...Since I am over 40, own a BMW (a black one at that), live and ride in SoCal, I am a rude, selfish d-bag. However, those of you that make these asinine, blanket statements are a-ok. Hmmm, makes sense to me!

    I can't believe I wasted my time on this thread.

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    It seems like all the people on this thread bent out of shape didn't actually read the OP's post- or any of the posts on this thread really. I don't see anyone making generalizations that old dude's driving BMW's were D-bags. But plenty of you "Old dudes driving BMWs" are certainly getting all pissy about some sort of imagined slight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelscott View Post
    It seems like all the people on this thread bent out of shape didn't actually read the OP's post- or any of the posts on this thread really. I don't see anyone making generalizations that old dude's driving BMW's were D-bags. But plenty of you "Old dudes driving BMWs" are certainly getting all pissy about some sort of imagined slight.
    From this thread:

    "Is it me or are older Mountain Bikers becoming worse trail users?"

    "Yes. I also believe SoCal is the worse of the two halves of this state, too."

    "most BMW drives are already DB's. Especially the drivers of black BMW's."

    So, who didn't read this thread? :-)

    Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here. But whenever I hear sweeping generalizations, like what had been posted on this thread, I can't help but just shake my head.

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    I think saying that all old dudes in BMWs are d-bags is a safe bet. There may be a few outliers but, i just considervthem coladerall damage

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