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  • I've never broken one, but i'm a conservative rider

    42 21.99%
  • i've never broken one and i find it amazing

    70 36.65%
  • About one per year

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  • One every other year or so

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  • I have a doozy crash sometimes, but the bike was already old

    1 0.52%
  • Less frequently than 5 year intervals

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    How often do you break a frame?

    I broke my 5th aluminum mountain bike frame a month ago, and I'm kinda surprised by the state of the sport. I've broken almost a frame per year of consistent riding, which just seems unacceptable. I want to believe it's just me- i'm a large guy that relies on a good sense of self-preservation; but my riding buddies seem to go through them similarly. What i've seen of carbon is even more pessimistic- I've been on 4 rides with friends on demo'ed carbon bikes, and seen 2 cracked frames. I just can't believe the mountain biking public tolerates so much broken; please show me that everyone i know is an abusive hack.

    I've replaced my latest frame with a 12lb steel full suspension tank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I broke my 5th aluminum mountain bike frame a month ago, and I'm kinda surprised by the state of the sport. I've broken almost a frame per year of consistent riding, which just seems unacceptable. I want to believe it's just me- i'm a large guy that relies on a good sense of self-preservation; but my riding buddies seem to go through them similarly. What i've seen of carbon is even more pessimistic- I've been on 4 rides with friends on demo'ed carbon bikes, and seen 2 cracked frames. I just can't believe the mountain biking public tolerates so much broken; please show me that everyone i know is an abusive hack.

    I've replaced my latest frame with a 12lb steel full suspension tank...
    Are the bike companies replacing your broken frames at no charge?

    I'm more of a XC type rider and have never broken a frame. I'm not that hard on my stuff though and am not out there taking big drops or doing lots of big jumps. I do ride a lot of miles, though. Broken and gone through wheels and most every other part, but no broken frames.
    Are you really sure about that?

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    20 years and the only time I've broken a frame is running into a car while riding on the road.

    I'm not sure how big "large" is (I weight ~90kg so I'm no featherweight), or how you and your buddies ride, but that certainly does seem like a heck of a lot of broken frames.

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    Are you saying these bikes have all just failed suddenly? No warning whatsoever?

    I don't think I would have gotten past frame two if that happened to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post

    I've replaced my latest frame with a 12lb steel full suspension tank...
    Pics?
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    I ride just XC, but I'm pretty strong. I break a frame every other year. Always at the bottom bracket/right chainstay junction. I've broken steel, aluminum, and carbon frames. I've never owned a ti bike, but I doubt that material would fair any better.
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    I have yet to break a frame.
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    Luckily, I've never broken one... but I'm also not a mad man like some of the younger riders.

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    1 broken chainstay in 6 years riding.
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    Just cracked my first one. I'm a clyde but don't do anything remotely crazy. Can't afford the time off or medical bills.

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    Re: How often do you break a frame?

    When I was a kid (1987) cracked my kuwahara bravo team pro. Funny part is I do but know how to do freestyle tricks or other stuff. Just rode it around.

    Seat tube cracked straight down the relief cut.
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    OP a little more info is needed.
    1] What frames have you broke? Manufacturer,models and years.
    2] What kind of riding do you do.
    3] What kind of terrain.
    4] How often do you ride on average per week or month.
    5] How much do you weigh.

    ?????
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    I broke the same Ellsworth frame 3 times in as many years...in 03, 04 and 05, they replaced all 3 times under warranty though. I switched to Santa Cruz in 05 and haven't busted a frame since...I like Santa Cruz better then Ellsworth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I broke my 5th aluminum mountain bike frame a month ago, and I'm kinda surprised by the state of the sport. I've broken almost a frame per year of consistent riding, which just seems unacceptable. I want to believe it's just me- i'm a large guy that relies on a good sense of self-preservation; but my riding buddies seem to go through them similarly. What i've seen of carbon is even more pessimistic- I've been on 4 rides with friends on demo'ed carbon bikes, and seen 2 cracked frames. I just can't believe the mountain biking public tolerates so much broken; please show me that everyone i know is an abusive hack.

    I've replaced my latest frame with a 12lb steel full suspension tank...
    The one constant factor in your frame-breaking scenario is you and your riding buds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    Are the bike companies replacing your broken frames at no charge?
    Yes, when i have been the original purchaser. 3 of them i bought second hand in unassembled or nearly new condition though. All failures have been cracks next to welds, or caused by pinholes in welds.

    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    I'm not sure how big "large" is (I weight ~90kg so I'm no featherweight), or how you and your buddies ride, but that certainly does seem like a heck of a lot of broken frames.
    I'm 6'3 and 230. Big, but i'm not going to invade Tokyo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    Are you saying these bikes have all just failed suddenly? No warning whatsoever?

    I don't think I would have gotten past frame two if that happened to me...
    Yep, no warning at all. JRA, or found a crack while doing a maintenance inspection, usually. When they've failed while riding i have been doing something unremarkable- tapping the brakes on some doubletrack, climbing.
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    Pics?
    It's a canfield balance.

    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    OP a little more info is needed.
    1] What frames have you broke? Manufacturer,models and years.
    2] What kind of riding do you do.
    3] What kind of terrain.
    4] How often do you ride on average per week or month.
    5] How much do you weigh.

    ?????
    I use them in the manner they were intended, no abuse. I've tried to pick models that suit my size and weight, and ride once or twice a week for 3 seasons.


    It's starting to look like it's me and mine that are the cause; that's surprising. We're pretty average riders who have been doing this a while.
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    Neither I nor anyone I ride with has ever broken a frame as far as I know. I did just snap a derailleur hangar for the first time though so I guess anything's possible!
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    I cracked the downtube on my dh bike late last summer. The frame was 4 years old. I'm happy with my replacement

    I never cracked an all-mtn frame
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    MTB no, though like others have mentioned I have burned up just about every other part.
    V-Brake mounts have snapped, bent and cracked bars and stems, seats, rims, spokes, hubs, skewers, etc. I used to ride aggressively-jumps, drops curbs logs rocks etc. Never with any finesse and that might have been the issue. when I used to ride lke that I rarely felt smooth but I did it because it was fun.

    Now BMX, yes. Again, I would ride hard. Growing up in Detroit we had the Rouge River that flows through the city (don'tdrink from it-in fact dont touch it) but there was a trail network that followed the river. So we would take shovels rakes and wheelbarrows to move dirt and we would make our own dirt jump trails. Not like that what is around now but we had fun. and there was always somebody cracking a frame and taco-ing a rim.
    I have cracked a hutch pro street, mongoose californian and a haro master. Again not the smoothest rider when trying to get air.

    Now I like flow on a nice smooth single track.

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    This is all you dude. I have never heard of anybody breaking that many frames unless they are a full time downhill racer. You need something burlier.
    How can anyone who's been riding as long as I have, be so slow???

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    I don't beat my bike up, but I am not always as easy on my bike as I could be.
    I am trying to break my Kmart bike but either it's too tough or I am not trying hard enough.

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    I'm 200lbs, cracked the chainstay on my Stumpjumper HT. Flying down a hill, small rocky gully at the bottom and then immediately back up the hill. Some impressive G's when you start up the other side. Hit it particularly hard one time rear end caught a rock - cracked frame, pinched the back tire, broke some spokes, soiled my shorts, but stayed on the bike. I am sure I stressed the frame beyond it's design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    OP a little more info is needed.
    1] What frames have you broke? Manufacturer,models and years.
    2] What kind of riding do you do.
    3] What kind of terrain.
    4] How often do you ride on average per week or month.
    5] How much do you weigh.

    ?????


    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I use them in the manner they were intended, no abuse. I've tried to pick models that suit my size and weight, and ride once or twice a week for 3 seasons.


    It's starting to look like it's me and mine that are the cause; that's surprising. We're pretty average riders who have been doing this a while.
    Sorry but that's too vague of an answer for us to continue with this ridiculous thread. There are just too many variables that you leave blank. It makes me wonder if your intent is SPAM and at any moment your going to reveal the best bike out there.
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    Breaking frames is the ONLY way I get new bikes.
    And as a clyde, I break frames often. I even broke the frame on my SS commuter bike.
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    Riding 30 years, only 1 complete frame failure. Head tube seperated on a chromo frame. Among riding buddies I can recall a couple cracked aluminums, one unbonded cantiliver bosses on a carbon, bent aluminum (to be fair this was a Mantis Profloater that took a 30+ foot drop off cliffside). I am a lightweight though, about 120-135 lbs. Cracked frame was subjected to trials riding so it was trashed pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Sorry but that's too vague of an answer for us to continue with this ridiculous thread. There are just too many variables that you leave blank.
    I don't need some random internet dweller to analyze me. I already know why i break frames; they're almost always under-built for my uses, and/or have QC problems. The purpose of this ridiculous thread was to see how normal my experience was.

    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    It makes me wonder if your intent is SPAM and at any moment your going to reveal the best bike out there.
    That would be a Ti 36'er, obviously.

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    150 lbs, been riding almost 20 years. I bent a dropout on steel Kona Unit, it was warranteed. I also broke 2 Jamis Dakar FS frames, warranteed both times. I think the Jamis was a bad design, they had a history of breaking and after the 2nd one I got a completely redesigned chainstay assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I don't need some random internet dweller to analyze me and fluff his ego. I already know why i break frames; they're almost always under-built for my uses, and/or have QC problems. The purpose of this ridiculous thread was to see how normal my experience was.
    Hey we can do this all night long but you still haven't answered "any" of the above questions. Answer those or even a percentage of those and maybe we could determine why you're breaking so many frames.

    With all the information you've provided so far all we can do is make assumptions. Like maybe you've been buying Huffys and riding BC log jumps.
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    Back in the 70's, as a teenager, I broke the bottom tube from the head on a Columbia kid's bike that was being used for something it was never intended - quasi-BMX. Made a jump and snap! My dad took it to the LBS and they welded the tube but it was never the same. But I still used it on my paper route!

    Yeah, I said paper route - us "older" folks remember the fun of those days, being a paper boy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    With all the information you've provided so far all we can do is make assumptions. Like maybe you've been buying Huffys and riding BC log jumps.
    You can assume whatever you want. I'm not interested in your opinion.
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    Hey scottzg, that sux that you are breaking frames so frequently. I'm 30lbs lighter than you and tend to overbuild my stuff and I have broken 2 frames in the last 20 years. One was replaced under warranty and one was partially covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    You can assume whatever you want. I'm not interested in your opinion.
    Hey you started the thread I'm just trying to help you in figuring out why you break so many frames. This is a discussion forum lets discuss.
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    Easy DJ,

    The OP is one bad shredder yeah, he bust his stick he shred so bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ajdonner View Post
    Easy DJ,

    The OP is one bad shredder yeah, he bust his stick he shred so bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    You can assume whatever you want. I'm not interested in your opinion.
    I laugh at this.
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    Mid eighties I snapped mongoose moto-mag from jumping garbage cans. But never a mountain bike. When i bought my santa cruz two years ago I was 280 large hitting jumps with much grace and never cracked my frame. A frame made of iron I believe is your only choice!

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    6 frames I think in roughly 25 years of riding. Steel frames were all crash damage or abusing them in ways they weren't designed for and the aluminum ones all cracked apart at the right chainstay near the BB from regular use.

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    No one I know breaks a frame a year. In 22 years one cracked frame due to a poor weld. My guess you are either doing something wrong or buying cheap/crap bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post
    No one I know breaks a frame a year. In 22 years one cracked frame due to a poor weld. My guess you are either doing something wrong or buying cheap/crap bikes.
    Yep he's buying Huffys and hucking them off log jumps in B.C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post
    No one I know breaks a frame a year. In 22 years one cracked frame due to a poor weld. My guess you are either doing something wrong or buying cheap/crap bikes.
    Sometimes you need to step outside of your own universe. I break frames every other year. Had it not been for some periods of time that were light on riding due to work and/or family obligations, I would be a lot closer to every year.
    I typically run around 250lbs. I have been as light as 205 and still broke a road frame. I mostly ride XC, with around a dozen races a year. No DH. Limited AM. No drops. No hucks. No logs.
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    Cracked a chainstay on my trek, and they gave me a warranty replacement 7 years later, quite impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Yep he's buying Huffys and hucking them off log jumps in B.C.
    hey, weren't you warned about that already??? you rebel!
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    I would love to break a frame so I could say I have.

    I think I've broken every other part of a bike.

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    How often do you break a frame?

    6'3", 230lb - if you're strong, young, ride frequently, and hard, you're going to break frames. I broken a few including a road frame. Personally, I'm a fan of Ventana and Pivot, although I just picked up a Trance. We will see how the Giant holds up.


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    How often do you break a frame?

    I break a frame once every 12 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I broke my 5th aluminum mountain bike frame a month ago, and I'm kinda surprised by the state of the sport. I've broken almost a frame per year of consistent riding, which just seems unacceptable. I want to believe it's just me- i'm a large guy that relies on a good sense of self-preservation; but my riding buddies seem to go through them similarly. What i've seen of carbon is even more pessimistic- I've been on 4 rides with friends on demo'ed carbon bikes, and seen 2 cracked frames. I just can't believe the mountain biking public tolerates so much broken; please show me that everyone i know is an abusive hack.

    I've replaced my latest frame with a 12lb steel full suspension tank...
    Hope that tank frame solves the problem.

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    How often do you break a frame?

    Currently 275, have been 325... Only do about 1000 miles a year (XC mostly) although people tell me I ride pretty smooth. I get a ton of frame flex when I mash, but frames (7000 and 6061 series aluminum and CrMo) are still going strong.

    I started out road biking and learned to spin real well in HS.

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    My weight is usually right around what OP states his is. Ive broken three frames in 20+ years.

    200lbs + does bad things to bikes when the rider is aggressive on even normal XC terrain.

    In my experience, all three of my frames broke in the same spot. I assume this has something to do with my riding position and the stress i put on the frames from the way i typically ride. I have heard of other people experiencing a similar consistency in where they break their bikes. When shopping for my current bike, i made sure to look very closely at the design and welds of the rear shock mount (my "stress" point) to find a brand/model beefy enough to hold up to the abuse i know i inflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRingGrinder View Post
    My weight is usually right around what OP states his is. Ive broken three frames in 20+ years.

    200lbs + does bad things to bikes when the rider is aggressive on even normal XC terrain.

    In my experience, all three of my frames broke in the same spot. I assume this has something to do with my riding position and the stress i put on the frames from the way i typically ride. I have heard of other people experiencing a similar consistency
    in where they break their bikes. When shopping
    for my current bike, i made sure to look very
    closely at the design and welds of the rear shock
    mount (my "stress" point) to find a brand/model
    beefy enough to hold up to the abuse i know i
    inflict.
    Well I chased the OP away with my snarkey attitude. He alrady stated he doesn't want my opinion but he's going to get it anyway. All I asked is for him to answer a few pertinent questions so
    we could all determine what he was doing wrong
    to break so many frames. He refused to answer
    any of them and got hostile towards me.

    I'm quoting off Big Ring because my experience is similar. I've been riding for 14 years aggressively
    the whole time. My weight is 200 - 210 lbs and I've
    only broken 2 frames. And that was because it was
    a flawed design. One broke at the seat tower and
    then the new identical replacement frame broke
    exactly 6 months later in the same spot. Come to
    find out the design was flawed and hundreds of
    customers broke theirs in the same spot. The
    company went bankrupt and most were SOL for
    any replacement or reimbursement.

    My point is that the OP is either a spammer or doing something seriously wrong. Look at every post in this thread and the poll. Nobody has a broken frame track record like the OP. But he
    refuses to discuss the issue / s or answer any of
    the list of questions I asked him. I was just trying
    to help him determine why he's breaking so many
    frames. Something is a bit odd on his responses.
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    How often do you break a frame?

    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I don't need some random internet dweller to analyze me. I already know why i break frames; they're almost always under-built for my uses, and/or have QC problems. The purpose of this ridiculous thread was to see how normal my experience was.



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    No, it has a loud chainguard thinger, def not enduro (doesn't have a fire extinguisher mount either)
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    ^^At least they made the chainstays short. Should be cake to ride a wheelie.

    I've trashed frames to an unsafe condition five times, but when someone says 'break' I think of something actually 'breaking', i.e. a 'catastrophic' failure. Your dropout breaks, your rear wheel might be toast, your rear derailleur gets wrapped up, whatever. You come in nose first and your headtube snaps off, much worse. I think of pain when I hear 'break', not "aww look, now my frame is f$#ked up".

    Sounds like you could use a burlier frame and some handling lessons...

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