• 01-26-2013
    srey
    Holy crap chain guides are expensive.
    I'm looking at converting one of my bikes to 1x9, and it seems obscene how expensive chain guides are. I know that everything about mountain biking is expensive, but dang...

    Any suggestions on a good one, btw? It's for my Banshee Scirocco, which has ISCG 05 tabs. I don't feel the need for a burly guide, though, because I live in Houston, and am converting because I don't need the range of gears offered by a triple ring crankset.

    If I purchased a top-only guide like MRP 1X and left my long cage derailleur on the bike, would I be ok without a roller or tensioner on the bottom of the chain? I've checked out pictures, but am just trying to be solid in researching the conversion.
  • 01-26-2013
    ironsinker
    You're in a tough spot. Chain guides are expensive and you would have to upgrade to a 10 speed setup to go Shadow plus. This is what I did but before you click on the link, I have no information on a chain guide.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...th-829029.html

    I'm very very happy with what I did but it cost me more than a chain guide would have.
  • 01-26-2013
    womble
    You don't need a chainguide to go 1x9. Look up the "bashwich" which a lot of people are using (2 BBG bashguards on either side of a middle ring).
  • 01-26-2013
    ElwoodT
  • 01-26-2013
    srey
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by womble View Post
    You don't need a chainguide to go 1x9. Look up the "bashwich" which a lot of people are using (2 BBG bashguards on either side of a middle ring).

    I saw a post about that while I was searching, but won't the chain drag at the top and the bottom of the cassette with that configuration?
  • 01-26-2013
    srey
    I think that's the way I'm going to go.
  • 01-26-2013
    ehigh
    yeah it's kind of a bummer. I've got an X0 drivetrain with an MRP 2x guide and I love it-but just three days ago I decided to bite the bullet and ordered a 36t bling ring and a G3 Mini guide. Another $240 out the door, but hey-it is what it is.

    Not everyone rides with a tensioner, I've noticed-it's typically a matter of how you ride. Where I live, here in San Luis Obispo, CA there is enough going on on the trails that makes it necessary for me. It depends. Stinks, I know-best of luck.


    Not sure what you mean about chain dragging on the cassette.
  • 01-26-2013
    drj85
    +1 on the N-Gear Jump stop. I have it paired up with with a bashguard on my 1x8 140mm am hardtail and have really blasted down some wicked choppy lines filled with rocks and roots and havent had the chain drop yet. Its cheap and works perfectly. Just make sure you order the right clamp size.
  • 01-26-2013
    BoomerBrian
    N gear jump stop and bbg bashguard. Both very cheap and work great.


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  • 01-26-2013
    AllMountin'
    I still got drops with an Ngear and bash, with a Saint short cage. It depends how rough you ride, and a lot of folks swear by it. I actually went to the trouble of fabbing up a new stainless chain deflector with more of an enclosure and lead in. Works much better, but still get a very occasional drop.

    MRP 1x is a nice option IF your riding doesn't dictate a bash. Clean, minimalist look is a plus.

    You really only need a full on guide/tensioner setup if you're into real aggressive riding and/or really gnarly terrain.
  • 01-26-2013
    shiggy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by srey View Post
    I saw a post about that while I was searching, but won't the chain drag at the top and the bottom of the cassette with that configuration?

    As opposed to a DH type guide where there is extra drag all the time?

    I will take the double guard rings or bash/jumpstop setup any day.
  • 01-26-2013
    GoGoGordo
    Bionicon USA C-Guide Chainguide

    These are the BOMB!!
    And affordable.
    Git cha one friend. :thumbsup:
    You'll thank me later.
    G
  • 01-26-2013
    ElwoodT
    One of my bikes has the n-gear, and on the outside I ground down the teeth on the biggest chainring. 10 bucks total.
  • 01-27-2013
    jclyle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    N gear jump stop and bbg bashguard. Both very cheap and work great.


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    This is the combo i'm using too. Just make sure you check the jump stop on a regular basis and make sure it stays tight. I haven't had any issues with it coming loose. Very cost effective way to convert.
  • 01-27-2013
    db_8
    2x9 setup with RaceFace bashguard on sale from Jenson and n-gear jump stop. just shortened my chain for the 2x9 setup, too. don't think my chain will be dropping anytime soon :)
  • 01-27-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    yeah it's kind of a bummer. I've got an X0 drivetrain with an MRP 2x guide and I love it-but just three days ago I decided to bite the bullet and ordered a 36t bling ring and a G3 Mini guide. Another $240 out the door, but hey-it is what it is.

    Not everyone rides with a tensioner, I've noticed-it's typically a matter of how you ride. Where I live, here in San Luis Obispo, CA there is enough going on on the trails that makes it necessary for me. It depends. Stinks, I know-best of luck.


    Not sure what you mean about chain dragging on the cassette.

    You just nailed why such things are so expensive ... If people wouldn't pay insane prices, they wouldn't cost so much.
  • 01-27-2013
    markymark
    You know what they say:

    Mountain biking, as addictive as cocaine and twice as expensive.
  • 01-27-2013
    b-kul
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    I

    You really only need a full on guide/tensioner setup if you're into real aggressive riding and/or really gnarly terrain.

    depends a lot on how much travel you have/ what kind of linkage it is too.
  • 01-27-2013
    shiggy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    Bionicon USA C-Guide Chainguide

    These are the BOMB!!
    And affordable.
    Git cha one friend. :thumbsup:
    You'll thank me later.
    G

    $50!
    The one I tried added drag and made no difference in the chain control. Took it off.
  • 01-27-2013
    ehigh
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    You just nailed why such things are so expensive ... If people wouldn't pay insane prices, they wouldn't cost so much.

    No dude, I don't think that's how things work.

    MRP has to be constantly developing new products to keep up with new technologies. That isn't free. They have to pay a number of people who are all professionals. They aren't ripping people off and what they develop is a representation of their time, so they're going to charge you for their time.
  • 01-27-2013
    ElwoodT
    ^^supply and demand. that's how it works.
  • 01-27-2013
    GoGoGordo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    $50!
    The one I tried added drag and made no difference in the chain control. Took it off.

    Hmmmm?
    Thats too bad Shig.
    Mine works great!
    Maybe not compatible with all bikes?
  • 01-27-2013
    SV11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    Bionicon USA C-Guide Chainguide

    These are the BOMB!!
    And affordable.
    Git cha one friend. :thumbsup:
    You'll thank me later.
    G

    That plastic bit where the chain goes through blows majorly.
    I bought a similar tensioner about 12 yrs ago, but it had a jockey wheel where the plastic bits are, and wasn't held on by zip ties, that is a lame bit of componentry.
    A potential flaw with the bionicon tensioner is the zip ties. On a mildly hot day (or left in direct sunlgiht) those zip ties are going to deform and stretch under the tension of the chain, and in cold weather (snow) you can guess how it will turn out.
  • 01-27-2013
    GoGoGordo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    That plastic bit where the chain goes through blows majorly.
    I bought a similar tensioner about 12 yrs ago, but it had a jockey wheel where the plastic bits are, and wasn't held on by zip ties, that is a lame bit of componentry.
    A potential flaw with the bionicon tensioner is the zip ties. On a mildly hot day (or left in direct sunlgiht) those zip ties are going to deform and stretch under the tension of the chain, and in cold weather (snow) you can guess how it will turn out.

    I have not had any such issues you speak of.
    Dont have much snow here in SF. 😁
    Mud, yes, but not a issue with my bionicon.
    Just my 2 cents.
    Good luck in your c- guide quest.
    Everyones rig needs different solutions.
    G- out
    🚲
  • 01-27-2013
    womble
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by srey View Post
    I saw a post about that while I was searching, but won't the chain drag at the top and the bottom of the cassette with that configuration?

    Sorry, I don't understand what you are getting at here. The bashguards simply sandwich the middle ring and they have no effect on how the chain interacts with the cassette, which is at the rear hub.

    I've run this configuration on two bikes. On my previous frame, there was a small amount of chainslap at the basguards when run in the two highest gears (probably a mix of chainline and too much slack) but this was not enough to cause any noticable drag. On the current frame there is no chainslap and definitely no drag.

    The only downside of a bashwich which I have been able to identify is that it's a tiny bit heavier than using something like an N-gear. However, my understanding is that something like an n-gear won't work with some types of suspension designs.

    Another upside to the BBG is that it's just one guy with a machine pumping out a simple but fairly-priced product. Most bashguards I've seen are stupidly expensive for what they are, fiddly to set up and introduce a small amount of friction into the drivechain.
  • 01-27-2013
    blunderbuss
    I love the bashwich concept- simple and effective. Unfortunately, the inner plate (at least the one I've got) won't work on the frames I've tried it on- Trek Rumblefish and Stache.
  • 01-27-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    No dude, I don't think that's how things work.

    MRP has to be constantly developing new products to keep up with new technologies. That isn't free. They have to pay a number of people who are all professionals. They aren't ripping people off and what they develop is a representation of their time, so they're going to charge you for their time.

    They do it to make money ... If people wouldn't pay crazy prices, they'd stop spending all their money on hype-marketing.

    How much is a chain tensioner for a motorcycle ?
    The solution was developed decades ago ;)

    2012 SRAM PG - 1050 PG-1050 POWER GLIDE II 10 speed
    Dang these are cheap ... The OP nailed it ... Expensive, for what it is.
  • 01-27-2013
    shiggy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    Hmmmm?
    Thats too bad Shig.
    Mine works great!
    Maybe not compatible with all bikes?

    I just found it to be a pointless and totally unnecessary thing to have on the bike.

    It did not cause problems, other than the extra drag (a BIG issue), but did not solve any either.
  • 01-29-2013
    CHINOTAKER
    Is funny to spend money to have less (3x10 to 1x10). I did it by the way. You can find Chain guides for under $100 easy.
  • 01-29-2013
    osmarandsara
    2 Attachment(s)
    I ride a 5 inch full suspension mountain bike with Faux Bar suspension design (actually my fork is closer to 5 1/2 inches). I ride very aggressively at places such as Bootleg Canyon and the Bike Parks. I've been using these two together and haven't dropped a chain.

    Attachment 757054

    Attachment 757055

    The MRP 1X can be found for $33.45 at BikeStop.

    MRP 1x 32-40t Guide BB Mount Black @ eBikeStop.com

    The Stinger for $23 at PricePoint:

    Blackspire Stinger Chain Guide at Price Point

    Total cost $56 before shipping for both.
  • 01-29-2013
    irishmongooserider
    I'm a big Origin8 fan, and they've got a guide I'm planning to order up that's less than $50... The Torq Lite UL guide. ORIGIN-8 and see it under the tab for derailleurs. Also have a newer model, the Ultim8 that looks to be light and simple, but I don't have a price as of yet.
  • 01-30-2013
    ehigh
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    They do it to make money ... If people wouldn't pay crazy prices, they'd stop spending all their money on hype-marketing.

    How much is a chain tensioner for a motorcycle ?
    The solution was developed decades ago ;)

    2012 SRAM PG - 1050 PG-1050 POWER GLIDE II 10 speed
    Dang these are cheap ... The OP nailed it ... Expensive, for what it is.

    dang dude making statements like that make you sound really cheap. What do you do, not try to make any money? And really, that's an insult to a lot of bike companies. They do it because they want to develop products that they love and it just so happens they need to sell them to keep up what they're doing. It's like the guys at Straitline-they were developing things and to keep up their habit they had to sell things. What do you know, now people love their stuff. Sure, they'd love to make a bank roll, but I don't know about anyone at MRP making more than six figures-yet.
    comparing motorcycle crap to bike crap is the two-wheel enthusiasts version of comparing apples to oranges. this you should also keep in mind: the fact that they have had chain tensioners for motorcycles for decades reflects that they have had room to also become cheaper. the people who need them know about them. they got them to a certain weight and now people aren't interested in shedding a few little grams and so major development of them stopped.
    on the other hand, cyclists love shedding whatever grams they can. And so, MRP is releasing a G3 guide with a carbon backplate pretty soon. What other companies are doing that? None that I know of. So yeah, they will need to market that. And yeah, people are going to want to buy it. Is supply and demand really that mystifying to you? we live in a world where people upgrade their smart phone more than twice a year, sometimes four times before they're elligible for their upgrade. you're making a stab at a huge entity, a really tiny stab directed at just a part of that entity.

    my G3 mini and bling ring will be here later today. I'll get it installed and will go ride plenty this weekend. It's going to be sweet.
  • 01-30-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    dang dude making statements like that make you sound really cheap. What do you do, not try to make any money? And really, that's an insult to a lot of bike companies. They do it because they want to develop products that they love and it just so happens they need to sell them to keep up what they're doing. It's like the guys at Straitline-they were developing things and to keep up their habit they had to sell things. What do you know, now people love their stuff. Sure, they'd love to make a bank roll, but I don't know about anyone at MRP making more than six figures-yet.
    comparing motorcycle crap to bike crap is the two-wheel enthusiasts version of comparing apples to oranges. this you should also keep in mind: the fact that they have had chain tensioners for motorcycles for decades reflects that they have had room to also become cheaper. the people who need them know about them. they got them to a certain weight and now people aren't interested in shedding a few little grams and so major development of them stopped.
    on the other hand, cyclists love shedding whatever grams they can. And so, MRP is releasing a G3 guide with a carbon backplate pretty soon. What other companies are doing that? None that I know of. So yeah, they will need to market that. And yeah, people are going to want to buy it. Is supply and demand really that mystifying to you? we live in a world where people upgrade their smart phone more than twice a year, sometimes four times before they're elligible for their upgrade. you're making a stab at a huge entity, a really tiny stab directed at just a part of that entity.

    my G3 mini and bling ring will be here later today. I'll get it installed and will go ride plenty this weekend. It's going to be sweet.

    I've made plenty of money over the years designing mechanical parts for the aviation/aerospace industry ;)
    Darn near everything is lightweighted in that industry ... But the wheel is never reinvented !!!

    Supply and demand is not a mystery ... People are demanding to spend their money on solutions to problems that do not need to exist, and suppliers are happy to oblige those people.
    Suspensions, frames, and shifters are a different story ... That's where R&D is needed and used to develop improvements.

    Read what Shiggy wrote above ... I believe him.
  • 01-30-2013
    Rod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osmarandsara View Post
    I ride a 5 inch full suspension mountain bike with Faux Bar suspension design (actually my fork is closer to 5 1/2 inches). I ride very aggressively at places such as Bootleg Canyon and the Bike Parks. I've been using these two together and haven't dropped a chain.

    Attachment 757054

    Attachment 757055

    The MRP 1X can be found for $33.45 at BikeStop.

    MRP 1x 32-40t Guide BB Mount Black @ eBikeStop.com

    The Stinger for $23 at PricePoint:

    Blackspire Stinger Chain Guide at Price Point

    Total cost $56 before shipping for both.

    I only use the MRP guide on my 29er and I haven't dropped a chain yet even with a long derailleur. It's a hardtail, but my conversion was less than 40 with shipping.
  • 01-31-2013
    Hauffy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by irishmongooserider View Post
    I'm a big Origin8 fan, and they've got a guide I'm planning to order up that's less than $50... The Torq Lite UL guide. ORIGIN-8 and see it under the tab for derailleurs. Also have a newer model, the Ultim8 that looks to be light and simple, but I don't have a price as of yet.

    Would you have a prefered supplier for the origin8 gear?
  • 02-01-2013
    2000Z3M
    look for a used one. I found mine on PB for 50 less than new. It was dirty but it works
  • 02-01-2013
    boostin
    I recently went through this dilemma with a new bike build. Built a 1x10 with a Zee derailleur. I tried really hard not to spend 160.00 on a good guide system but ended up pulling the trigger on the Blackspire DER guide. No moving parts and it fits my 32t chainring perfect. It took me a long time to swallow the $160.00 cost - especially knowing what Blackspire is selling them for in the OEM market.

    Fwiw, the Blackspire DER guide is a set and forget item. Now that I have it, I wouldn't buy any other guide out there.
  • 02-02-2013
    ehigh
    Re: Holy crap chain guides are expensive.
    DER is a great guide. Blackspire does a good job. I went with MRP and their G3 mini because of a few reasons. 1. my successful experience on their 2x guide, 2. I ordered a bling ring for my X0 cranks and thought I would match them. It's also a killer setup. I had to help install a DER for someone who didn't get the change in offset of their chain line; but overall that guide is cool.

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  • 02-02-2013
    cman8
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    yeah it's kind of a bummer. I've got an X0 drivetrain with an MRP 2x guide and I love it-but just three days ago I decided to bite the bullet and ordered a 36t bling ring and a G3 Mini guide. Another $240 out the door, but hey-it is what it is.

    Interested in selling me your 2x to recoupe some of your money? :ihih:
  • 02-02-2013
    irishmongooserider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    Would you have a prefered supplier for the origin8 gear?

    Most local bike shops can get Origin8 products (Origin8 is distributed by JBImporters), but if you don't have a shop nearby, Amazon.com is the online source. I get mine at my favorite shop personally, as he stocks a ton of Origin8 gear.