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    Wink Go 29er or long-travel 26er trailbike?

    I'm currently on a race-prepped, 2010 Giant Anthem X2 26er, with 100mm of travel. The bike rides great. It climbs like a raped ape and descends with incredible efficiency. The Anthem weighs less than 23 pounds, with pedals. However, the trails where I ride has lots of technical boulders I simply have a hard time rolling over. Also, when going down rocky areas - I find myself often going slower.

    One day, I took my buddy's 26-pound, Niner Rip9. It barreled over everything I use my brakes on, in the 26er. Before I sell my Giant - here are some bikes I have an eye on:

    26er 140-160mm travel:
    -Rocky Mountain Altitude R/MSL
    -Ibis Mojo HD
    -Specialized Stumpjumper FSR EVO
    -Yeti SB66
    -Pivot Firebird
    -Scott Genius LT

    29er 100-120mm travel:
    -Specialized S-Works Epic 29er
    -Niner Jet9 RDO
    -Trek Superfly 100 Carbon
    -Cannondale Scalpel 29er

    Any thoughts on the above bikes would be great....before I set out and test them ALL.

    NOTE: I'm a huge weight weenie, and all the bikes above were chosen on their ability to be built out LIGHT....
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    You really sound like a good candidate to try a 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    You really sound like a good candidate to try a 650b
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    650B

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    Believe me, if there were more manufacturer support of 650b components...I'd be ALL OVER IT. Only time will tell. In the meantime - I either go 5.5"+ of 26er travel or full 29er...
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    I did ride last weekend and my partner has. Rip9. I rode every thing he did on my 26er hard tail XC type bike. He was faster on the downhills, but I was much faster on the ups. Overall I was happy with the way my bike performed. The trails had lots of rocks. I think the 29eer gave him an edge over larger steps, but not enough for me to spend $$$$.
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    Pivot Mach 5.7 Carbon,,,best bike Ive ever ridden.
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    I vote for the Trek Superfly! Just put a Fox F120 on mine and its awesome! Recently owned a Remedy and then a Slash and the superfly does what they did but lighter and faster! I'm definitely a 29er convert! My superfly weighs around 26lbs with a Reverb adjustable seatpost!

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    How tall are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    How tall are you? If you're a big guy, go big wheels, if not, stay small.
    I'm 5'7". I am just tired of manualing my 26er over the boulders and log piles a 29er rolls over almost effortlessly....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    How tall are you? If you're a big guy, go big wheels, if not, stay small.
    This is BS, and I'm tired of people spreading this misinformation.

    I have a friend who is REALLY short, has the smallest Niner made and he is one of the the best & fastest riders I know.

    So there!

    Edit: He goes by Big Boulder on the NorCal forum. OP, he'll be glad to answer questions you have, i'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    29er 100-120mm travel:
    -Specialized S-Works Epic 29er
    -Niner Jet9 RDO
    -Trek Superfly 100 Carbon
    -Cannondale Scalpel 29er
    Look at the new long(er) travel 29ers coming out.

    Lenz, Banshee and a couple others have 140-150mm travel 29ers, building any of them up super-light will be expensive, but frame weights are in the same area as 160mm 26ers tend to be.

    I highly recommend the Lenz Lunchbox, my experience of it goes only to a demo ride but I want one, I really want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    How tall are you? If you're a big guy, go big wheels, if not, stay small.
    Loada balls.

    I'm 6ft5 and won't swap my 26er hardtail for anything...

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    That Yeti SB66 on your list is a really nice bike but rather expensive....still nice none-the-less!

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    What size Anthem are you riding? I have a 2011 Trance X medium, and im actually looking to go to something a little more XC race-ish. Not saying we have to trade but you do have my interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shenny88 View Post
    What size Anthem are you riding? I have a 2011 Trance X medium, and im actually looking to go to something a little more XC race-ish. Not saying we have to trade but you do have my interest.
    Mine is a small. Got a pic of your bike?
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    5 inch 29er that rips ...up and down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Mine is a small. Got a pic of your bike?
    Damn, i would sell just the frameset if you were interested. Too bad i cant ride a small, mines a medium. It really is a great one bike to do it all with, i just feel like i dont need it in Michigan.
    heres a crappy picture of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    This is BS, and I'm tired of people spreading this misinformation.

    I have a friend who is REALLY short, has the smallest Niner made and he is one of the the best & fastest riders I know.

    So there!

    Edit: He goes by Big Boulder on the NorCal forum. OP, he'll be glad to answer questions you have, i'm sure.
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    I'd go long travel 29er, specifically I'd ride a tallboy, but that's just me...

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    not sure how weenie you want to get, but 29ers are "usually" a bit heavier (if you go for longer travel). i have a bud on an Ibis Mojo HD and he swapped out the 26 wheels for 650B. they fit. I know people who LOVE their Ibis
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    not sure how weenie you want to get, but 29ers are "usually" a bit heavier (if you go for longer travel). i have a bud on an Ibis Mojo HD and he swapped out the 26 wheels for 650B. they fit. I know people who LOVE their Ibis
    Me too.

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    omg so awkward! Sti caught me talking bout him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    omg so awkward! Sti caught me talking bout him!
    You forgot to mention that it's yellow, though...
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    I am an accomplished stalker. But seriously, 650b wheels have a lot of appeal for those who find the 29 wheels a bit too big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    You forgot to mention that it's yellow, though...
    Hush shush!

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    tough call. I notice that a lot of the 26" bikes listed are toward the AM category while the 29ers are all in the race arena. if you're looking for the middle of the road the 26" AM will likely have an edge in the weight category. From what you've listed, the Jet 9 and the RM Alt would be my first choices. That being said, the Ibis is a heck of a bike and the Spec epics are pretty damn nice. Frankly you can't go too wrong here

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    yellow is my favorite color! i'm no hater
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    Good recovery mojopin, this thread has been almost off-camberized.

    I suggest following this thread, some of the very interesting brand new AM 650b bikes are going to be evaluated by Fracois in the coming weeks: http://forums.mtbr.com/650b-27-5/650...ut-821556.html

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    ^^ True, there's nothing wrong with yellow. I'm just giving Sti a hard time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    ^^ True, there's nothing wrong with yellow. I'm just giving Sti a hard time.
    Did you see my riding in darkness video? My yello bike is in it again!

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    Long travel 26". Ibis makes a fine bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Did you see my riding in darkness video? My yello bike is in it again!
    That's three videos in a row now, huh?
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    I am on a roll, this is the time of my life! But wait, did not I post one of Nic between the first and second one?

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    Yes, that's true. I'll adjust by stating that you're ______ colored bike is in 3 of your recently posted vid clips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    I'm 5'7". I am just tired of manualing my 26er over the boulders and log piles a 29er rolls over almost effortlessly....
    You just answered your own question.

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    Giant Trance 29er. I just got the XO after riding a 26" anthem X1 for a few years. Most excellent upgrade. I suspect I will ride this bike until Giant make a 650b Trance.

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    I love my IBIS, its my dream bike. Recently lost my Job and have a Mountain of bills. After looking at 29r's mainly the Cannondale Scapel Carbon 2 I decided to sell my IBIS now and get the Scapel later next year when things are better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    I'm 5'7". I am just tired of manualing my 26er over the boulders and log piles a 29er rolls over almost effortlessly....
    I agree 100 percent. all my buddies have 29ers and kill me on how easy they roll over stuff that slowes me down on.

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    I just got a 2013 Trek Remedy 8 (150mm front and rear 26" bike).

    I'm selling my 2012 Trek Rumblefish Elite (120mm front and rear 29" bike). I've put 1500 miles on it in all sorts of different terrain.

    I'm 6'1", 180lb.

    The 26" is faster downhill, no doubt about it. I'm getting personal records on every single descent I do on the new Remedy. Going through rough stuff, the Rumblefish is working farther into its travel than the Remedy, which means more slowdown. The Remedy is far more maneuverable, and its easier to draw non-linear lines. It also feels better in the air.

    I think that if you're in pretty technical stuff, large rocks and such, you'd be better served with a longer-travel 26" bike. The slightly shallower strike angle you get with a 29" wheel is no match for 30mm of suspension travel and slacker geometry, IMO. If you mostly ride smoother trails with smaller rocks, or more linear trails, or just dirt singletrack, 29" all the way. There's a reason they are almost all you see in XC races.

    Uphill, the Remedy seems to be about in the same league as the Rumblefish. Both have such stable pedaling platforms, and they're the same weight. My uphill times are in the exact same range on the 26" as on the 29". I haven't hammered anything yet though, so the Remedy may be a little slower uphill, time will tell.

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