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    GIANT bikes moving to only 650 ? Feelings ? Thoughts ?

    How do you guys feel about this topic ?

    650B For Giant's 2014 Elite-Level Mountain Bikes - Pinkbike

    I personally feel like 26 and 29 is all thats needed . If the 27.5 is ONLY a lil better then 26 and not as good as a 29 , whats the point ? Just seems like more sales and marketing BS as usual . Either you learn how to ride or dont ride at all . I feel like if they take 26ers out they will lose a lot of customers . I find it amusing how a company is going to dictate and tell people WHAT needs to be ridden .

    26er has its place
    29er has its place
    27.5 = Marketing BS and just another way to sell " something " else .

    I have a DH bike that is 26 and im not looking to upgrade as it works fine for me , im happy with it, and it does what i need it to do. I was looking into actually buying a 29er for my off season to stay in shape to climb long hills with on XC trails and i thought i would add a Giant 29er in my steed but not after some bull**** move like this .

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    I expected it. I figured most companies would adopt the same idea, and make the 27.5er the new standard, and force us to ride that wheel size.

    I'm a smaller (5"8") rider, and never liked or needed anything other than the 26er. I'm sure if I was 6'+, I could appreciate a wheel size more appropriate to my frame size. I already use a negative rise stem, and flat bars on my ride, and would hate to fit a frame with even larger wheels.

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    RE: GIANT bikes moving to only 650 ? Feelings ? Thoughts ?

    I have a feeling almost every company is going to be doing this before long. I dont really see the big deal. Ill be riding a 27.5 or 29er within the next few years as it seems that 26 is dead.
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    I figured there will be 3 wheel sizes from here on out. I don't think it's necessary to have that much selection, but it seems unlikely to go away since there are minor benefits to small changes in wheel diameter.

    I'm surprised it's not more common to choose wheel size that correlates with frame size. I can imagine a line up where the small is 26", the medium is 27.5" and the bigger ones are 29". Regardless, I ride a small 29+ krampus.

    Giant has 650b and Specialized spurns it. As long as the popularity of mountain biking doesn't decline, there should be enough volume to keep prices low despite having to produce a wider range of parts. So much variability is probably toughest on bike shops, since it's expensive and risky to stock so much.

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    As Giant goes so goes the industry. It makes perfect sense from a business point of view, carry one third of the inventory to serve 98% of the market.


















    I guess I'll have to start hoarding 29er tires now.

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    Hmm, just picked up a 2014 Anthem X 29ER 1 this weekend. I had read lots on the 650b\27.5 size but still figured 29 made more sense for me. I'm a bit over 6' and don't plan on riding super technical trails. I've been out of MTBs for 10 years so it all feels new again. Started riding the woods back in 1984! All rigid frames and friction shifting in those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    How do you guys feel about this topic ?
    I feel that this is a brand new topic of discussion and people should probably start arguing on the internet about it. That will surely change things for the better. You definitely shouldn't just accept it and go out and have fun on whatever kind of bike you might like to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougie View Post
    I feel that this is a brand new topic of discussion and people should probably start arguing on the internet about it. That will surely change things for the better. You definitely shouldn't just accept it and go out and have fun on whatever kind of bike you might like to ride.
    While most people do that , to have a company phase out 26 and then 29ers I find pretty arrogant. Im more then happy to purchase from a different brand/vendor just shocked to see this type of context coming from such a big company name .

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    Just wait 10 years. Everything will be back to 26". And companies will spout the greatness of the 15lb 26" mountain bike that will climb like a fallen angel going back to heaven and descend with grace of a show horse due to its 180mm travel......and this is just the xc bike.... The technology will be there.

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    Re: GIANT bikes moving to only 650 ? Feelings ? Thoughts ?

    I think it's interesting considering I just bought my first 29er.

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    After months of waffling back and forth to get a 650b or 29er I didn't want to wait until Sept for our LBS to get in the Santa Cruz Solo. So I made the jump and bought a Giant Trance x1 29er. Got it for such a great price I could keep my Yeti 575. Well after 1 ride the Yeti is history. Sold it on Craigslist last week. Why did I what so long to get a 29er!! I LOVE IT.

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    When I was shopping for a new bike this year, I would have jumped at a 650b Anthem. I ended up with a Niner, but I'll be interested to see more 100mm travel 650b frames.

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    I was at a Giant shop this morning and they told me this, also. Hmmm...I'm less than impressed. My wife is doubly so. The current Giant in "her size" was a 29er, and she's pretty short. She said it felt too tall and ungainly.

    I rode a Surly Krampus, as I might be in the market for a fatbike next, and I don't like how it took more effort to spin up the wheels on it vs. a 26" fatbike (Salsa Mukluk). I don't think I'm sold on 29" wheels, either. I haven't ridden a 650b bike yet. Maybe it'll feel better to me.

    I also tend to agree that wheel sizes might need to have some kind of size-dependency. At least an overlap for some sizes (sort of like how Surly does with the Long Haul Trucker, the smallest sizes have 26" wheels and the larger 700c/29", and a few sizes offer both as options).

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    If 29ers are removed as well as 26ers, then I am sorry, but I will buy from a company that is one of the last to switch over.
    Also, what will happen to Niner. I do not think that the name "Seven Point Fiver" is attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    If 29ers are removed as well as 26ers, then I am sorry, but I will buy from a company that is one of the last to switch over.
    Also, what will happen to Niner. I do not think that the name "Seven Point Fiver" is attractive.
    I actually think that niner will be quite happy if Giant does go through with this...I don't believe that 29ers are going anywhere and that would be a huge rival dropping out of the game.

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    Piss on them, I'll keep my 26ers.
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    A lot of panic in this thread. Its one company. Granted, Giant is kind of, well, a giant in the industry, but its still just one company. There will be dozens of other companies willing to carry 26" and 29" wheel frames. There will be plenty of buyers willing to buy 26" and 29" wheel frames.
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    For us tall folk (6'3" here) 29ers are the best thing since sliced bread. I'll keep my Trance x2 thanks.

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    I wasn't going to buy a Giant anyway, so I really could care
    less what they do. Some day I may get a 650b, but I won't let
    anyone shove it down my throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    I personally feel like 26 and 29 is all thats needed .
    I think a 26 and 27 is all that is needed. i feel sorry for all the poor noobs that got suckered into buying 29" XC bikes!

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    Why is it that nearly everyone is panicking about 27.5 inches? I've ridden road bikes with 700c and 27 inches and they feel great. They both are stable in high speed and can turn nice though not as efficient 26er. 27.5 inches is not that of a big deal anyway and if it cost the same or slightly above 26ers then no one is ripoff. In fact, I consider it a good deal.
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    27.5" is just another way for casual-riders to muck up the handling with mis-matched components, making yet another large-scale design change in the industry.

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    Nobody is panicking , maybe some of you are reading into it the wrong way. I just find it funny that there was so much marketing about 29ers and now a big name company like Giant has enough nerve to say meh , 29ers arent that great anymore and meh 26ers dont roll good enough so were just gonna give only 1 option .

    Seems like a bait and switch on their customers , kinda ****ty if you ask me. I could careless who rides what , i got the wheels i need but from a business to customer point of view its pretty foul on their end .

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    I agree that having omitting 26er is a bum idea but if 650b is their path, then it is their company decision. Whether or not they'll succeed, only time will tell. Maybe its time to retire 26er just like the 27er was replaced by the 700c as road bike standard. No one really knows how MTBs got the 26er got their tire size in the first place.

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    Did you post this in every forum? Seriously? Life goes on, don't worry about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Did you post this in every forum? Seriously? Life goes on, don't worry about it.
    Every forum ? No I posted it here . There was an article done from PB about it so I dunno what your talking about . Are you that dumb or just stupid? Get off my nuts bro.

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    I think I won't be buying a Giant anytime soon. I'm more interested in long travel 29ers then 650. I've ridden one and couldn't tell any difference from a 26" inch wheel so I see no reason to complicate things with a 3rd wheel size in my bike fleet.

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    Actually, per a local Giant dealer and this article: Giant 2014 Mountain Bikes ? XTC, Anthem, Trance And Talon Get 650b (27.5in) Wheels - BikeRadar Giant is NOT going all 27.5. What they are doing, however, is ditching 26 for 27.5 and doing 27.5 only on most low-end models where weight vs. cost becomes an issue (i.e. Talon).

    Pinkbike (both the editorial staff and readers) are sort of known for their ambivalence (hatred? bat-crap-crazy-abhorrence?) toward 29ers. So to them, the fact that Giant is removing ANY 29ers means 29ers are dead in the water, which Giant DIDN'T say. They said they might go away if the market wants it. Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. Though that thought probably gave boys at Pinkbike a tingle in their nether regions.

    I ride a 29er and would not like to go down in wheel size. It just fits me. However, some men and a lot of women don't fit well on a 29er and so they should ride something smaller. Wheel sizes don't mean jack squat on how good or not good you are on bike. Just go with fits and feels right.

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    I say somebody should start doing 650 A - I wouldn't mind some more choices for my old Raleigh.

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    Giant should give options, or else they will not be a large seller of mountain bikes, that is for sure.

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    Come on guys, didn't you read the rules of this forum....

    No posts about religion, politics or wheel size.

    These topics only end up in personal attacks, hatred, and animosity between MTBR members.

    Seriously though, ride what you want. No one is "shoving it down your throat", or "forcing you to buy" something you don't want to. I'm sure Giant doesn't care that you specifically won't buy a Giant now. They will still sell a lot of bikes, period.

    Frankly, I am pretty stoked to try out a Trance 27.5, so open wide so I can cram it down your pie hole!!!!
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    I guess I just don't care. I ride what I want and am not set in my ways. I think 27.5 looks like a great size for smaller HTs/FSs and FSs in general over 29. I don't think the 29er HT and short-travel FS are going anywhere anytime soon. I will say that like them or not, the 26er is going to become scarce soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Giant should give options, or else they will not be a large seller of mountain bikes, that is for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    I guess I just don't care. I ride what I want and am not set in my ways. I think 27.5 looks like a great size for smaller HTs/FSs and FSs in general over 29. I don't think the 29er HT and short-travel FS are going anywhere anytime soon. I will say that like them or not, the 26er is going to become scarce soon.
    That's not true at all... It will be the new kids equivalent to a 29er... lol.
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    This is the stupidest thread in a very long time. Can we move it to the 29er forum where the rest of "Chicken Littles" are gargling the kool-aid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    This is the stupidest thread in a very long time. Can we move it to the 29er forum where the rest of "Chicken Littles" are gargling the kool-aid?
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    This belongs in General, so that people who love all wheel sizes can write their opinions.
    This world needs a few more people who care about 29er bikes. I can say that here because it is a "general" forum.

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    Yeah, your right of course, there aren't nearly enough wheel size Zealots yet. Lets ramp this up until there is only one wheel size left, the rest exterminated. There can be only one.

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    Forget the dumb wheel sizes, they all still have one thing in common, they spin round and round. Bring back the old square wheels from the caveman days and y'all will suddenly ignore the difference in wheel sizes.

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    Make it 27.0" and I'm all in. Perfect balance in height and rolling efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunky1x View Post
    No one really knows how MTBs got the 26er got their tire size in the first place.
    Not true. Charlie Kelly mentions how they came about with 26" wheels. I'll find the thread and update when I'm near a computer. It's actually an interesting story.

    As for the arguing - no skin off my back to have as many wheel sizes as commercially viable. I have my favorite but I don't expect to push it on anybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    no skin off my back to have as many wheel sizes as commercially viable. I have my favorite but I don't expect to push it on anybody else.
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    I say bring in the 36" wheel
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    Much like 98% of the bike dealers in my area, I don't give Giant much thought...

    I'd LOVE to check out their bikes, same with Kona, Jamis, etc. But there are virtually NO dealers of any Giant with stock on hand, except for Performance, and they stop at the Zaskar.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudhen View Post
    Much like 98% of the bike dealers in my area, I don't give Giant much thought...

    I'd LOVE to check out their bikes, same with Kona, Jamis, etc. But there are virtually NO dealers of any Giant with stock on hand, except for Performance, and they stop at the Zaskar.....

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    The Zaskar?

    Uhh...ok.

    (That would be GT. )

    Don't be so sure about your dealer not paying attention to Giant...they likely manufacture most of the bikes you see from other brands in your shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    The Zaskar?

    Uhh...ok.

    (That would be GT. )

    Don't be so sure about your dealer not paying attention to Giant...they likely manufacture most of the bikes you see from other brands in your shop.
    Uhhh ok, at least it began with a G...

    And finding an XTC within 100 miles is just as difficult...

    And what does Giant being the largest manufacturer of bike frames have to do with anything? The frame is built to specs, and specs are dictated by brand. Logic dictates that they also make the worst bikes in the world, since they build 80% of the frames....

    I get your point though, for sure, but do you really think any of the big hitters would have any problems finding another Chinese company to build their frames?

    I think the retail bike world is a mess. I would love to try & buy many different bikes, but I can't, they simply are not in the shops. And if the shop doesn't have it, or can't get it, then often the bashing begins...

    But, yrmv...

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    I have to ask, where do you live?
    There is one of pretty much everything here in this town of maybe 20,000 (but Jackson ain't exactly a 'normal' market!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Giant should give options, or else they will not be a large seller of mountain bikes, that is for sure.
    Giant is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, seller of bikes in the world with revenues 30% greater than Trek. I doubt seriously that they are gonna sweat this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Yeah, your right of course, there aren't nearly enough wheel size Zealots yet. Lets ramp this up until there is only one wheel size left, the rest exterminated. There can be only one.
    Yep only one. 29"!

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