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    eastern woods research frame

    does anyone know how to read the serial numbers off an eastern woods research or does anyone know someone who might be able to?

    my original woods frame reads::

    R-HE-119-7-94

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    Quote Originally Posted by khenry44
    does anyone know how to read the serial numbers off an eastern woods research or does anyone know someone who might be able to?

    my original woods frame reads::

    R-HE-119-7-94
    I know nothing of value, but ...

    Please post a picture of your bike! EWR info seems non-existant these days.

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    here it is::
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    sweet bike!

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    Sweet stem, if it wasn't for those screwy top caps.

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    Try calling Blue Mountain Sports in Jim Thorpe, PA

    Jay DeJesus, who was the person behind EWR, used to work or hang around the shop. I met him there a few times and even got to ride his personal bike once.

    Sorry, I really don't know any details on serial numbers, etc. but these people might be able to direct you to someone who does.

    Good luck. That really is a sweet bike.

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    Find Jay (or at least info. about him) at...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    Jay DeJesus, who was the person behind EWR, used to work or hang around the shop. I met him there a few times and even got to ride his personal bike once.

    Sorry, I really don't know any details on serial numbers, etc. but these people might be able to direct you to someone who does.

    Good luck. That really is a sweet bike.
    Check in with Mark Taylor at South Mountain Cycles in Emmaus, PA. I just picked up my fully built up EWR from him on Friday night. Heard that Jay was in town. Don't have the phone number handy but if anyone knows about EWR's, it's Taylor.

    Now, if I could just figure out how to scan the photo that I have of me and the EWR...I'd be able to post it here. I'm TERRIBLE on the computer.

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    Better an EWR than computer skills

    Hell, anyone can have computer skills but how many have an EWR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    Hell, anyone can have computer skills but how many have an EWR?
    Here's Eastcoaster's:



    And here's mine:


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    Nice. When did the frames change?

    My experience with EWR's is limited to Jay DeJesus' (not a bad one to have experience with) and BikeBreath's. I noticed the difference in frame design on the two pictured here. Is it just different frame size or a redesign.

    PS: I have to say I like the orange color too....

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    Here's mine



    This is an old picture, I now have a Talas on it, carbon riser bars, geared, Paul thumbies and I had a disc tab welded on the back (with Jay's blessing). I really need to take some new pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    My experience with EWR's is limited to Jay DeJesus' (not a bad one to have experience with) and BikeBreath's. I noticed the difference in frame design on the two pictured here. Is it just different frame size or a redesign.

    PS: I have to say I like the orange color too....
    There were three frames that I know of. A mod trials frame (looked very much like the Original Woods, just smaller), the Original Woods, and the E-Motion. My memory is a bit sketchy, but I think the E-Motion was billed as the "lightweight" more XC raceable frame, while the Original Woods was the all around trail/trials frame. I'm pretty sure I remember reading in my old EWR pamphlet that the E-Motion was also offered with True Temper OX tubing, instead of the standard 4130 CroMo. In that configuration it was supposed to weight a little less and was called the E-Motion Race or something. (Can anybody verify any of that, I'm not trying to throw FUD around).

    Before these recent threads on EWR's, I had never seen an Original Woods in orange, only in yellow with red decals. I think orange was offered on some of the bikes from the last year of production.

    Edit: pic of trials frame.


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    E-Motion fer ya.

    This is my bike. I've had for for 5 years and it's great bike.

    As my old catalog says the E-motion is made from OX steel. It's flexy in the right places.

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    Super Sweet!

    Man-0-Man, those woods bikes are the only thing I'd trade my E-motion for!

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    Paranoid?

    A little paranoid aren't you? I love my EWR and would hate it if something happened to it but that is one big chain. How do you carry that thing around?

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    Yeah...the deal is...

    Quote Originally Posted by punk
    There were three frames that I know of. A mod trials frame (looked very much like the Original Woods, just smaller), the Original Woods, and the E-Motion. My memory is a bit sketchy, but I think the E-Motion was billed as the "lightweight" more XC raceable frame, while the Original Woods was the all around trail/trials frame. I'm pretty sure I remember reading in my old EWR pamphlet that the E-Motion was also offered with True Temper OX tubing, instead of the standard 4130 CroMo. In that configuration it was supposed to weight a little less and was called the E-Motion Race or something. (Can anybody verify any of that, I'm not trying to throw FUD around).

    Before these recent threads on EWR's, I had never seen an Original Woods in orange, only in yellow with red decals. I think orange was offered on some of the bikes from the last year of production.

    Edit: pic of trials frame.

    Punk's is an E-Motion. Mine's an Original Woods Bike. And, the trials frame was offered. (Called the Mettle or Metal or something) The Breezer drops were originally offered on only the E-Motion frames. Yes, there was a version offered with the OX tubes on the E-Motion as well. The Woods frames all had slotted drops (the yellow with red decals) and the vert. drops were only added in the last run(s) of the Woods frames. The very early Woods frames had slightly smaller diameter tubing.
    It's pretty cool. I spoke to framebuilder Joe Williams of Williams American Cycles who lives near me. (he builds some SWEET frames as well as he used to be a builder for Serotta) and when he first moved here to Southeastern PA he worked for Fresh Frame in Ephrata, PA. He helped to paint the last EWR's produced.

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    Bikebreath, guess you remember me from MBW2003..

    Quote Originally Posted by bikebreath
    This is my bike. I've had for for 5 years and it's great bike.

    As my old catalog says the E-motion is made from OX steel. It's flexy in the right places.

    Bb, [ a hard bike not to love. ]
    Only now I won't be on my Smorgasbord. I will probably only be up for MBW2004 on Sat. night into Sun. as I started a new job and now have to work part of that weekend. Hope to see you there! We're campsite #30! The one with the funk music pumping!

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    wow...................... that is so cool

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    Updated pics of my EWR




    The disc tab worked out very well. The paint match is almost perfect.



    I love the Paul Thumbies. Takes you back to the old days but with indexed shifting instead of friction.

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    VERY nice!

    How much travel are you running on your Fox? Any idea what your HT angle is with the increased travel?

    Sweet disc work. Not sure if I'd be happy with an "almost" perfect match, but it sure looks good from here.

    Also, has anybody weighed one of these bad boys? I always think mine is heavy, but then I pick up my wife's Trek 4300 and my bike feels like a feather.

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    3-5"

    I run it at 3" for climbs and usually about 4" on the downhills. Sometimes I will run it on 5" but the front wheel will push out on turns.

    Mary Phifer in Central, SC did the welding and painting. Everything we together well. The paint is so close to matching that no one has every noticed it unless I said something about it. With a light dusting of dirt, you can't tell.

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    You guys just made my evening. Yes, this is the real Jay de Jesius. I have been considering making EWR frames again, and have been testing a prototype Bergwerk LSD from with a 4" travel rear that I would most likely be incorporating into an updated Original Woods Bike design (for 4X racing, jumping and the like). I am really interested in doing Original Woods Frames w/updated geometry and construction as well. I would love to see more user photos; please post more here, or you could email them to me at jdrp_stuntboy@hotmail.com as the fine chap with the disc mount did. Yes, the vertical drop'd Woods frames were from the last 2 runs - water jet cut custom cro-mo plate drop outs became rare, and Breezers are very trick. The orange ones we from the very last run, and Joe Williams make sweet frames. Did great work for me as well (Fresh Frame was THE place to go to for paintwork). I am so stoked to see so much interest out there, and that is what will make my descision to do this all again (though on a different scale).

    I do have a few frames, but sorry, I cannot part with any.

    Thanks again!

    BTW: R-HE-119-7-94 as follows
    R (?), HE (Hairy Eyeball, almost became the name), 119 (first "1" meant nothing, second "1" meant 1st production run, "9" meant 9th frame in batch), 7 (July), 94 (self explanetory)

    There 'ya have it...

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    Good timing.........

    I've been investigating a return to a hardtail for more technical riding. I currently have an IF which I race and generally love but it is built up light and I don't even want to screw around with discs on it.

    However, the chance to obtain an updated EWR or Original Woods Research intrigues me. I could see one of those with a 5" fork, discs and a heavier wheelset than on my IF for general tooling around in the eastern woods. I got my a$$ kicked by a buddy on an EWR at JT this year and the stability of the frame always impresses me. (I was on a 5 x 5 FS). I give credit to your frame but he may have just had bigger b@lls. Regardless, I'm interested so please keep us posted. FS does not impress me all that much and I just have a much larger smile when riding my hardtail. In the end, thats what counts the most.

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    WOW, this is excellent news. I've been hearing rumors online, and just ran into a guy from Gretna Bikes who said the same thing, but to hear it straight from the source is great.

    I've been kicking around making the jump to FS sometime, but haven't decided just yet. If you're coming out with an update Woods bike, count me in.

    And now what everybody wants to know: when?

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    Mr. EWR...how ya doin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdrp_stuntboy
    You guys just made my evening. Yes, this is the real Jay de Jesius. I have been considering making EWR frames again, and have been testing a prototype Bergwerk LSD from with a 4" travel rear that I would most likely be incorporating into an updated Original Woods Bike design (for 4X racing, jumping and the like). I am really interested in doing Original Woods Frames w/updated geometry and construction as well. I would love to see more user photos; please post more here, or you could email them to me at jdrp_stuntboy@hotmail.com as the fine chap with the disc mount did. Yes, the vertical drop'd Woods frames were from the last 2 runs - water jet cut custom cro-mo plate drop outs became rare, and Breezers are very trick. The orange ones we from the very last run, and Joe Williams make sweet frames. Did great work for me as well (Fresh Frame was THE place to go to for paintwork). I am so stoked to see so much interest out there, and that is what will make my descision to do this all again (though on a different scale).

    I do have a few frames, but sorry, I cannot part with any.

    Thanks again!

    BTW: R-HE-119-7-94 as follows
    R (?), HE (Hairy Eyeball, almost became the name), 119 (first "1" meant nothing, second "1" meant 1st production run, "9" meant 9th frame in batch), 7 (July), 94 (self explanetory)

    There 'ya have it...


    Well, isn't this an interesting development! Jay it's great to have you post and what you had to say was a real eye opener. I have the blue bike pictured above and might, [no real good reason too], get another EWR frame. Don't know how I'd make it unique to my stable and so many financial obligations hitting me from all sides...don't know how I'd afford one. I guess I just want one to back up the one I have now...sort of a spare GREAT bike.

    I can't expect you to remember me from seeing you in Blue Mountain Sports 20010[?], but maybe from letting you try out my old burgundy Ibis Mt. Trials I had at the Mountain Bike Weekend at Thorpe in the mid 80's. I've been at camp site 4 and 2 for 10 years now. Whatever...it's nice to have you pass though. Hope you decided to build EWR's again and get us mt. bikers in lather over east coast style bikes.

    Opps, did I just drool on my keyboard?

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    I was referring to you in my response....

    "I got my a$$ kicked by a buddy on an EWR at JT this year and the stability of the frame always impresses me. (I was on a 5 x 5 FS). I give credit to your frame but he may have just had bigger b@lls."

    Remember that "fire road" descent at the end of Coal Cracker when you challenged me to keep up on my FS. Well, I remember that I didn't keep up and not wanting to actually measure the size of your "b@lls" I have to give credit to the EWR. Hell, I never even mentioned that the guy who beat me was wearing a tie.

    Look out next year. None of this damned FS stuff again. I'm bringing the hardtail back. Maybe than I'd have a chance.

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    I knew who you meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    "I got my a$$ kicked by a buddy on an EWR at JT this year and the stability of the frame always impresses me. (I was on a 5 x 5 FS). I give credit to your frame but he may have just had bigger b@lls."

    Remember that "fire road" descent at the end of Coal Cracker when you challenged me to keep up on my FS. Well, I remember that I didn't keep up and not wanting to actually measure the size of your "b@lls" I have to give credit to the EWR. Hell, I never even mentioned that the guy who beat me was wearing a tie.

    Look out next year. None of this damned FS stuff again. I'm bringing the hardtail back. Maybe than I'd have a chance.
    I'm not so sure it's balls. It's some mix between no wife/children depending on me, confidence, ability and a death wish. I don't think the EWR is known for downhilling. The head tube is pretty steep on them...72.° I'm just a little crazy...crazy for thrills I guess.

    However, if you remember a climb back in the Coal Cracker there, strewn with rocks and few lines...now that was the EWR and only a fraction me and, well, knowing how to make *that* bike work in those rocks.

    I have to say, it's not a stiff bike. Lately I've let the front derailleur get a bit outta whack and the rear stays flex enough to scrap the FD in the lowest gear. I like the flex. I use the flex...I am one with the flex.

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    I think much has to do with using a hardtail

    I've been riding some very technical stuff for the past few days and ride much better and smarter on the IF hardtail than the FS. A hardtail may not make things easier but it does force you to think before you act and in the end, results in a higher quality ride.

    That, of course, is only opinion for any die hard FS riders who may take offense at this remark.

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    Bikebreath, Rev Bubba...cool news, huh?

    I'd be one of the first to sign up for what Jay wrote above!
    Reb Bubba, wish I had the chance to meet you up at MBW2004.
    Bikebreath, glad that I had the chance to meet up with you and your group on Sunday at the bottom of the hill near the park. I wasn't even thinking. I should have taken a ride on your rig when you took a spin on mine!

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    Yeah, how did you miss out on that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoaster
    I'd be one of the first to sign up for what Jay wrote above!
    Reb Bubba, wish I had the chance to meet you up at MBW2004.
    Bikebreath, glad that I had the chance to meet up with you and your group on Sunday at the bottom of the hill near the park. I wasn't even thinking. I should have taken a ride on your rig when you took a spin on mine!


    Funny how those things are. I was with a bunch of goons, you were by yourself...maybe it was one of those group dynamic type of things.

    Well, there is always next year, eh? Maybe we'll all have new EWR's by then. Wouldn't that be the coolest?

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    Speaking of Fresh Frame and Joe Williams....

    Quote Originally Posted by jdrp_stuntboy
    You guys just made my evening. Yes, this is the real Jay de Jesius. I have been considering making EWR frames again, and have been testing a prototype Bergwerk LSD from with a 4" travel rear that I would most likely be incorporating into an updated Original Woods Bike design (for 4X racing, jumping and the like). I am really interested in doing Original Woods Frames w/updated geometry and construction as well. I would love to see more user photos; please post more here, or you could email them to me at jdrp_stuntboy@hotmail.com as the fine chap with the disc mount did. Yes, the vertical drop'd Woods frames were from the last 2 runs - water jet cut custom cro-mo plate drop outs became rare, and Breezers are very trick. The orange ones we from the very last run, and Joe Williams make sweet frames. Did great work for me as well (Fresh Frame was THE place to go to for paintwork). I am so stoked to see so much interest out there, and that is what will make my descision to do this all again (though on a different scale).

    I do have a few frames, but sorry, I cannot part with any.

    Thanks again!

    BTW: R-HE-119-7-94 as follows
    R (?), HE (Hairy Eyeball, almost became the name), 119 (first "1" meant nothing, second "1" meant 1st production run, "9" meant 9th frame in batch), 7 (July), 94 (self explanetory)

    There 'ya have it...
    Hey,
    Eastcoaster here. I was at the shop and talking to Joe the other day. Told him of your compliment and comments on Fresh Frame. Joe said that he'd like to talk to you. Said that you could reach him at Shirk's Bike Shop. (717-445-5731) Leave a message if he's not working in his shop out back. He said that he'd get back to you. Said that Brian/Byron? at Fresh Frame would probably be up for painting for you again. Well, Joe could explain it to you better. I'll try e-mailing this to you as well, but it came back undeliverable the last time that I tried.
    Great hearing from you!
    Good riding,
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    This belongs to a buudy of mine. These are pretty cool frames. Not light but built to last.


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    This is......

    not EWR, but certainly reminiscent of them, at least visually (to me) seeming.

    Linkage to more detailed pics. Peyto, small Vancouver, B.C. builder.

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    How many of you have tried....

    a quick release seat post bolt on your EWR's? (Like Tom's buddy's frame pictured above?) I've used a Salsa QR clamp on my old Smorgasbord and liked it. I was going to try Salsa's QR bolt/lever that they sell alone but from the photos that I've seen of it, it looks quite a bit wider than the seat post clamp bolts that are welded onto the frame. I have heard of guys cutting their frames off just below the bolt clamp tabs and using a standard/traditional seat post clamp but didn't want to modify my orig. frame. Any opinions?

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    Throw another Original Woods bike into the mix:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...266#post461266

    I'm running mine SS. Anyone know how to tell what year it is?

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    Well, aren't you something?

    It's been a while since I've been here...

    Nice bike! They are heavy, but they are fun. Hell, anything is heavier than your Matt Chester.

    My memory must be failing...I remember an EWR thread that the builder Jay DeJesus replied too. He would know. In the meantime try the guys over at Vintage, Retro, Classic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    Throw another Original Woods bike into the mix:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...266#post461266

    I'm running mine SS. Anyone know how to tell what year it is?
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    oops sorry

    [QUOTE=J Ro]This was hand picked off the assembly line by Jay to use in competition.

    wrong picture, i'll try again. Hope you like my Grove X anyway.

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    here is another

    Quote Originally Posted by khenry44
    does anyone know how to read the serial numbers off an eastern woods research or does anyone know someone who might be able to?

    my original woods frame reads::

    R-HE-119-7-94
    This was hand picked off the assembly line by Jay to use in competition.

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    Hi mates,

    whow - thats very funny - could it be, that the x above is the one I got 3 years ago? these are the two most fav bike I own:

    eastern woods research frame-grove.jpg

    inside-"harpking" (see fb ) on e-motion b2

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    Thanks for posting. For some reason, I was looking at the EWR web site yesterday. I'm not even sure if they are still in business but its nice to see an EWR post now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    Thanks for posting. For some reason, I was looking at the EWR web site yesterday. I'm not even sure if they are still in business but its nice to see an EWR post now and then.
    Wow, you still kicking' Bubba?
    I haven't been in the woods for along time. I got into firearms and now compete in several pistol events. I do ride once in a while, but it's not in my blood any more, like it was for 20 years ago. Times change…people change
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    Turbob!tch and I are quite alive. We retired three years ago so there is lots of time to play but not much else has changed.

    I got up at six this morning to watch the Tour de France, took a break and a 2 hour road ride and got back in time to see the final two hours of todays stage.

    I spend plenty of time on mountain bikes and look forward to buying a new one next year. In the winter I my butt off. Got 85 days on snow last season.

    Life is good. Glad to hear you are still breathing. At our age, that is a concern.

    Enjoy the fire arms. The last thing I fired was the main gun on an M1 Abrams tank. Not exactly a pistol.

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    eastern woods research frame

    Woo! Great thread. Good to see it bumped.

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