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  • No. He never did

    50 9.38%
  • Yup, but I didn't think so until recently.

    118 22.14%
  • Yup, knew it all along.

    156 29.27%
  • Yup, but he should keep his titles cause the USADA is bs

    169 31.71%
  • Nope, but I'm starting to have doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyHustle View Post
    I have no idea if he was clean or not. But he was tested numerous times, and passed them all.
    No he did not, he failed many of them but had the money to pay off the UCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyHustle View Post
    I have no idea if he was clean or not. But he was tested numerous times, and passed them all.
    No he didnt, it has come out that he bought his way out of it and also paid a certain doctor to write scripts to cover for his failed tests, its a myth that he passed all his tests...
    He also paid a specialist over 1million in a very short period of time to advise him on doping and beating the system....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyHustle View Post
    I have no idea if he was clean or not. But he was tested numerous times, and passed them all.
    Lance and the team practiced the 5 d's of doping

    Dope, Dodge, Dip, Dodge, Dope!
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    i bought lots of dope from some cat named lance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyHustle View Post
    I have no idea if he was clean or not. But he was tested numerous times, and passed them all.
    Neither did Marion Jones.

    How might Lance have done it

    http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-US

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/analysis/no-armstrong-never-tested-positive-but-how_261616




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    Really surprised by so many thinking he doped but it’s OK because others did as well.

    If he doped, then he has lied, he committed crimes (perjury), stolen prize money, got people fired for telling the truth, threatened people, sued people, bullied people who wanted to cooperate with investigations, etc., etc.

    Would you want him in your sport?

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    If you try google translate here is a small list i fond on my first atempt to search for suspect dead of athletes. As you can see they were all old and drug wasn't in cause. But as you said Lance had a good doctor, he will live strong.


    Les dix morts les plus marquantes
    France-Soir a répertorié les dix décès les plus marquants de ces vingt dernières années, en raison de la popularité de leurs victimes, de leur implication dans des affaires de dopage ou de leur très jeune âge.

    José Manuel Fuente
    Mort en juillet 1996, à 50 ans, d’une maladie rénale qu’il aurait contractée, selon ses dires, en prenant des corticoïdes.

    Paul Haghedooren
    Mort en novembre 1997, à 38 ans, d’une crise cardiaque lors de son jogging. Contrôlé positif.

    Denis Zanette
    Mort en janvier 2003, à 32 ans, d’un arrêt cardiaque, après une visite chez son dentiste. Mis en examen pour dopage.

    Fabrice Salanson
    Mort en juin 2003, à 23 ans, retrouvé inanimé dans sa chambre d’hôtel. Jamais contrôlé positif.

    José-Maria Jimenez
    Mort en décembre 2003, à 32 ans, d’une crise cardiaque, après des problèmes de drogue et une dépression nerveuse.

    Marco Pantani
    Mort en février 2004, à 34 ans, d’une overdose de cocaïne. Suspendu pour dopage.

    Johan Sermon
    Mort en février 2004, à 21 ans, d’un arrêt cardiaque.

    Alessio Galletti
    Mort en juin 2005, à 37 ans, d’un arrêt cardiaque après une chute en course. Mis en examen pour un trafic de transfusions sanguines.

    Frank Vandenbroucke
    Mort en octobre 2009, à 35 ans, d’une double embolie pulmonaire et d’une attaque cardiaque durant des vacances au Sénégal. Suspendu pour dopage.

    Laurent Fignon
    Mort en août 2010, à 50 ans, d’un cancer. Il avait reconnu s’être dopé mais n’était pas sûr que sa maladie soit liée

    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    The first link is to a story about a pro cyclist dying in his sleep but there's no reason there as to why it happened then it meanders off into some anecdotes about EPO use, vaguely trying to link the two w/o any evidence. The second link is to a story on the dangers of EPO. Are you saying that performance enhancing drugs can hurt you? Yes they can but any athlete using so much EPO that it endangered their life either had a no doctor supervising its use or an incompetent doctor doing so treating an incompetent patient.

    Is Lance Armstrong dead, blind, crippled or crazy today as a result of using PE drugs? I don't think so. In fact he successfully used EPO under a doctor's care as a vital life giving therapy during his battle with cancer. Tons of people die from using too much alcohol every year but we still aren't afraid to have a drink or two now and again. You can die from drinking too much water too but it's pretty rare. The difference between help and harm with any substance is always in the dose. Some of the anti-PE drug tales are so very reminiscent of the cheesy scare tactics evident in stuff like Reefer Madness.

    I don't condone or use PEDs but for gawds-sake, use a little common sense not just fear tactics. As far as Armstrong goes, the guy and a lot of others got caught for using drugs against the rules for years. His multi-million dollar a year cycling career that gave him international fame, admiration and respect is shot today. That alone should be a lesson for those tempted to do the same. Give it a rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    The first link is to a story about a pro cyclist dying in his sleep but there's no reason there as to why it happened then it meanders off into some anecdotes about EPO use, vaguely trying to link the two w/o any evidence. The second link is to a story on the dangers of EPO. Are you saying that performance enhancing drugs can hurt you? Yes they can but any athlete using so much EPO that it endangered their life either had a no doctor supervising its use or an incompetent doctor doing so treating an incompetent patient.

    Is Lance Armstrong dead, blind, crippled or crazy today as a result of using PE drugs? I don't think so. In fact he successfully used EPO under a doctor's care as a vital life giving therapy during his battle with cancer. Tons of people die from using too much alcohol every year but we still aren't afraid to have a drink or two now and again. You can die from drinking too much water too but it's pretty rare. The difference between help and harm with any substance is always in the dose. Some of the anti-PE drug tales are so very reminiscent of the cheesy scare tactics evident in stuff like Reefer Madness.

    I don't condone or use PEDs but for gawds-sake, use a little common sense not just fear tactics..
    The opposite of fear tactics is white washing.

    There is plenty of evidence that EPO is potentially harmful. I would think you would want the whole picture before injecting sh*t into your body.

    http://www.emaxhealth.com/8782/epo-b...rs-and-runners

    What a choice for a pro to be told by his race director and sponsors "dope and be competitive with other dopers, or you're out". As far as management is concerned, you are an animal who rides bikes and are treated as such. Don't worry, son, stick the needle in your vein. It's perfectly safe.

    Do you really think Kim Kirchen's heart attack in the 2010 Tour de Suisse had nothing to do with PED? 34 year old pro at the peak of his career. Sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    The opposite of fear tactics is white washing.

    There is plenty of evidence that EPO is potentially harmful. I would think you would want the whole picture before injecting sh*t into your body.
    ANYTHING is "potentially harmful". Anything can be used wisely or unwisely. That was my point. Be sure to tell the cancers patients surviving and healing with the help of EPO that they're "injecting sh*t" into their bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    ANYTHING is "potentially harmful". Anything can be used wisely or unwisely. That was my point. Be sure to tell the cancers patients surviving and healing with the help of EPO that they're "injecting sh*t" into their bodies.
    Are you dense or just play one on MTBR? CAncer patients undergoing chemo are receiving EPO as a medicine they need to replace red blood cells lost during chemo. A healthy cyclist using EPO to boost normal hematocrit to 50% is abusing the drug to cheat and risks health issues. You don't agree go ahead and use it and spank all the other Cat 4's. knock yourself out. I don't care if you win races or stroke out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Are you dense or just play one on MTBR? CAncer patients undergoing chemo are receiving EPO as a medicine they need to replace red blood cells lost during chemo. A healthy cyclist using EPO to boost normal hematocrit to 50% is abusing the drug to cheat and risks health issues. You don't agree go ahead and use it and spank all the other Cat 4's. knock yourself out. I don't care if you win races or stroke out.


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    Apparently I must be dense because now you seem to be accusing me of abusing EPO as a CAT-4 racer or something and that can't be true, in fact it would actually be libelous. I've never been a CAT-Anything racer!

    Did I argue somewhere that using EPO to the point of endangering health is somehow a good or admirable thing? My point that you must have missed, is that EPO is neutral it's not evil, it's just a substance that can be used or misused like any other. I don't think you're going to find anyone to argue about whether it was against the rules or not because it definitely was. The idea that any use of it is automatically bad and unhealthy is just kind of simplistic, juvenile and an act of demonizing it. Cancer patients that have benefited from it are living proof of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Apparently I must be dense because now you seem to be accusing me of abusing EPO as a CAT-4 racer or something and that can't be true, in fact it would actually be libelous. I've never been a CAT-Anything racer!

    Did I argue somewhere that using EPO to the point of endangering health is somehow a good or admirable thing? My point that you must have missed, is that EPO is neutral it's not evil, it's just a substance that can be used or misused like any other. I don't think you're going to find anyone to argue about whether it was against the rules or not because it definitely was. The idea that any use of it is automatically bad and unhealthy is just kind of simplistic, juvenile and an act of demonizing it. Cancer patients that have benefited from it are living proof of that.
    Sorry for insult. My bad and not necessary. It's just hard for me to understand where you're coming from.

    You can't compare legitimate medicinal use of a drug to cheating in athletics. EPO is not neutral; it is a powerful drug that can be used and abused. Any use other than medicinal treatment of an abnormal condition is abuse per se. Denial that abuse is potentially harmful is just plain false. That Lance and his cohorts appear none worse for wear today and that harmful effects are not common proves nothing- even assuming the truth of that statement. artificially boosting hematocrit to 50% is risky business. How risky is for each abuser to decide for him or herself, same as with HGH, testosterone, steroids and other PED's. That some riders were pressured into becoming EPO junkies against their better judgement, and that other riders rode clean and got pummeled by cheaters, just plain sucks. The sooner cycling comes clean, the better. The sponsors, team directors and riders must be on the same page. The UCI should be dissolved and replaced by another agency with credible members. It is not a pipe dream, the pendulum is swinging in that direction
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJJ View Post
    If he doped, then he has lied, he committed crimes (perjury), stolen prize money, got people fired for telling the truth,threatened people, sued people, bullied people who wanted to cooperate with investigations, etc., etc.
    ??? From a logic point of view, does the stuff not in bold imply the stuff in bold?

    Not saying he did or didn't do all those things .... just trying to sort out the implications in this very public lynching.

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    This thread is getting ridiculously long so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but he is no longer the head of Livestrong and Nike dropped him today and that is saying a lot. The storm is about to hit.
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    Trek dropped him today too.

    The issue is black and white to me. The truth is the truth.

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    Doping was widespread in cycling before Lance was even born.
    Kund Jensen died in competition in 1960 of anphetamines.
    Tom Simpson dropped dead in the 1967 Tour de France. Drugs.
    Lance arrived to be the best at it, and beat everybody. He succeeded.

    Good time for Nike to suddenly get some morals. How are those sweat shops doing?

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    Hi,
    sad news : LA has just been prooven guilty and all his victories are cancelled by UCI, this after hearing the results of USADA enquiries.
    No news from ASO and Tour Org, next public appointment for the Tour is next wednesday for unveiling the 2013 full race details, more to come...
    News released at 13h01 CET.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlopeRiderSC View Post
    LA has just been prooven guilty
    Incorrect, there has never been a court case or judgement. He is just been presumed guilty based on decision not to fight.

    Even though he didn't respond to USADA, he could still decide to appeal the UCI decision. Seems unlikely though.

    The sh1t thing is that unless lance actually admits it, or fights it and loses in court. There will never be closure on this whole thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by horsey24 View Post
    Incorrect, there has never been a court case or judgement. He is just been presumed guilty based on decision not to fight.

    Even though he didn't respond to USADA, he could still decide to appeal the UCI decision. Seems unlikely though.

    The sh1t thing is that unless lance actually admits it, or fights it and loses in court. There will never be closure on this whole thing...
    LOL, You sound like his lawyer or lance himself, he has been proven guilty to any sensible person beyond any shadow of a doubt.
    He will never fight it, he has no leg to stand on, his no show to fight it IS A FULL ADMISSION OF GUILT, the evidence is unfightable n mountainous.

    Any person who thinks he is telling the truth would also believe the earth is still flat....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod View Post
    Here is my disclaimer: This is only my opinion.

    I do think Lance cheated. Even though I believe he cheated what he still did was amazing. Lets stick to the facts. This man had cancer, overcame it , and still became a pro cyclist. That would have been enough for me to admire anyone. If he would've won 1 race I would have been shocked, but this guy won the TDF 7 times. If you look at that era there was a doping epidemic. How could a guy beat a field of dopers if he didn't dope? Did he just train that much better? I would like to believe that, but I don't. If he did or didn't dope what he did on the bike was extraordinary.

    I admire the local guy who rides with me that had cancer.
    Missed a few of his qualities mentioned in the now widely accepted USADA report, like...
    Lying, cheating, bullying, threatening people and their families, perjury, encouraging others to dope, organizing the distribution of drugs, getting people fired from their jobs for telling the truth, ........

    Yea, a guy to be admired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlopeRiderSC View Post
    Hi,
    sad news : LA has just been prooven guilty and all his victories are cancelled by UCI, this after hearing the results of USADA enquiries.
    No news from ASO and Tour Org, next public appointment for the Tour is next wednesday for unveiling the 2013 full race details, more to come...
    News released at 13h01 CET.
    Correction: GOOD NEWS! The scumball is toast, and these stupid threads will stop for good
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    So how long do we have to wait to see who won the 7 tours he had?
    With all the other dopers behind him it will probably take months to sort out.
    You might as well just say the tour was canceled for those 7 years.
    Why not just take the whole tour, put it in a burlap bag and just toss it over the bridge.


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    Upset

    The powers that be now make it so as if nobody sat on a bike for 3 weeks and rode their butts off. The titles won't go to the next in line since everybody doped. The TDF and UCI can't find anyone who cycled in all those races that was clean. Did I just waste all that time watching the TDF???
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    Quote Originally Posted by horsey24 View Post
    The sh1t thing is that unless lance actually admits it, or fights it and loses in court. There will never be closure on this whole thing...
    Not sure about that. I'm getting pretty close to a feeling of closure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Not sure about that. I'm getting pretty close to a feeling of closure.
    Amnesty and truth and reconciliation might lead to closure

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...-answer_262269


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    Ya, except then the UCI tool that ball and started running with it with public statements explaining that they should be administering the proceedings of any T & R initiatives, if they happen.

    McQuaid and Co. just don't get it. Either that or they figure they can just continue shouting nonsense over top of everyone else's voices. They shouldn't even have a platform to speak from at this point.

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    links aren't working....

    Eh eventually the truth will come out, but unfortunately it will always be tainted by the what-ifs and the possibles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurr View Post
    It does not matter what one believes, what matters is actual Evidence, Belief is in something you are not certain of. So from the lack of Evidence I KNOW Lance is Innocent.
    I agree. Prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ('cause there are tons of reasonable doubt in my eye ) and then I'll believe he doped, until then, to me he's the best tour rider, ever.

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    I don’t think he was "clean".

    BUT I look at it like this:

    Everyone from every country was doping to some extent. So in that regard none of them are any better than any other pro cyclist at the time. Now, if I take every drug that lance took in the same exact amounts that he did, I would still never be able to come close to his level of performance. There is still the fact that he is an amazing athlete under all those drugs. Performance enhancing drugs enhance an athlete they don’t make a world class athlete out of anyone. If everyone at the time was 100% clean I believe he would have won the exact same way that he won originally.
    Now all that being said… I think he is a total ******-bag for the way he acted and continued his career after he became famous. There is no excuse for bribery and intimidation in a world-class sport. I’d bet the same thing was going on in other countries but in our American society we love nothing more than to tear down our idols… A little blood in the water and everyone jumps on the lynching wagon.
    Lance was a great athlete but a crappy competitor and teammate. Fame changes people, who’s to say that any of us wouldn’t have acted the same way under all of the stress and pressures to live up to your own reputation? That’s not an excuse for his behavior but I can understand. NOT condone, but I can understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methodical View Post
    I agree. Prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ('cause there are tons of reasonable doubt in my eye ) and then I'll believe he doped, until then, to me he's the best tour rider, ever.

    Just One Man's Opinion.

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    Believe what you want. Meanwhile, the record books have already been rewritten, Trek, Nike, Oakley have already dumped him, he's looking at numerous lawsuits to recover money and bonuses paid to him under false pretenses, and he's burned so many bridges in his life, he is left friendless all by himself. Except for a few pathetic jock sniffing morons like you who will insist the earth is flat while real life passes them by.

    P.S. no reason to neg rep the mentally challenged. That's just wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Methodical View Post
    I agree. Prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ('cause there are tons of reasonable doubt in my eye ) and then I'll believe he doped, until then, to me he's the best tour rider, ever.

    Just One Man's Opinion.

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    Well ive always been intrigued who the 10% of people in the poll in the top of the page were that thinks that he never doped.
    Mate if anybody calls you from Nigeria telling you that youve won the Nigerian national lottery and to send them money so they can process it and send you the winnings, please dont send them the money, its a scam....
    P.S just on the quiet, the sky's not falling in either.....
    And just on the quiet again, your not in one of those cults that think the worlds going to end tomorrow are you?
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    Everyone doped and everyone is still doping...if you think otherwise, you must be on dope

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    Quote Originally Posted by 41ants View Post
    Everyone doped and everyone is still doping...if you think otherwise, you must be on dope

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    Bollocks. Even if it's true, so what? The "everyone's doing it" argument is ****e. It's only ever heard from people who are doing something wrong and who know it.

    Nobody ever helps out the homeless because "everyone's doing it". Nobody volunteers for unpaid charity work because "everyone's doing it". It's the last, desperate defence of liars, cheats, thieves and other general purpose scumbags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNCnca View Post
    10, 15 years ago, who didn't dope?
    the losers that's who

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    Indurain believes Lance is clean

    Indurain believes in Armstrong's innocence | Comcast

    or I should say "innocent"

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    I'm pretty bummed about the whole thing.

    At first, I really thought that this was just a good guy who happened to be a spectacular athlete getting taken down by a power-hungry bureaucrat. But there's just no way that the USADA convinced EVERYONE to lie. I read some of the deposition transcripts that have been published. There's too much detail given for me to believe that the story's just a fabrication by a bunch of guys trying to save their own careers.

    I think its pretty clear that LA's amazing record was the result of a doping program. I think it sucks because I was pretty proud of the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Believe what you want. Meanwhile, the record books have already been rewritten, Trek, Nike, Oakley have already dumped him, he's looking at numerous lawsuits to recover money and bonuses paid to him under false pretenses, and he's burned so many bridges in his life, he is left friendless all by himself. Except for a few pathetic jock sniffing morons like you who will insist the earth is flat while real life passes them by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Well ive always been intrigued who the 10% of people in the poll in the top of the page were that thinks that he never doped.
    Mate if anybody calls you from Nigeria telling you that youve won the Nigerian national lottery and to send them money so they can process it and send you the winnings, please dont send them the money, its a scam....
    P.S just on the quiet, the sky's not falling in either.....
    And just on the quiet again, your not in one of those cults that think the worlds going to end tomorrow are you?
    I'm the one doing the calling Whew, whew, whew, whew

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    8 pages of replies no one will see this one ! lol

    Anyway, many of the posts here say "that was then, this is now." However, here's thing. Lance participated in and won, the Leadville 100 in 2009. In 2010, Leipheimer won (also confessed doper, not in the news much). Leipheimer even broke the record for the race. These guys continue to compete. Not that I will ever be even close to being in the same race as someone like them, but the thought will forever be in the back of someone's mind: This guy doped to get an advantage, of which he's probably still reaping the benefits of physically. So all the other competitors are left to sucking up trail dust.

    I like Lance, I admire his courage. I mean, in this video Lance Armstrong's Offroad Short Cut in the Tour De France - YouTube he takes that skinny tire bike down hill when others behind him braked hard to avoid it. He said hell with it, I'm going. So sure, doping gives you some upgrades, but some of it is just pure balls. In the Leadville 100 he road a flat tire for the last few miles of the race. And still won.

    It's just sad that the status quo at the time dictated that you either dope or come in last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJJ View Post
    Missed a few of his qualities mentioned in the now widely accepted USADA report, like...
    Lying, cheating, bullying, threatening people and their families, perjury, encouraging others to dope, organizing the distribution of drugs, getting people fired from their jobs for telling the truth, ........

    Yea, a guy to be admired.
    wow, well, maybe i take some of my admiration back too

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    <----- Has tried real hard to care less, but it is not possible.


    Is he the victim of being made "an example"? Maybe. I don't know. There are two things I know about Lance Armstrong. He is an incredible athlete, regardless of doping. And he is a giant jackass and totally full of himself.

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    WTF?
    He has to come clean like all his teammates before he can salvage anything he has left.
    The way things are going he will be a broken penniless old man before he's sixty.
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    On a related note....

    Just saw this post from my teammate:

    "I went to see the Levi Leipheimer Documentary tonight. Showed up, no sound, choppy image, movie cancelled. First he admits and gets sacked by OPQS, now the omerta's claiming his movie. Dang."

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    My take on this is that Tygart is an anti-doping zealot (or a shameless self-promoter out to make a name for himself) who believes that cycling is a dirty sport. He wants to destroy it in order to save it. Thus, his attack on the biggest fish (Armstrong) and the integrity of the UCI.
    The problem is that this is ancient history in sporting and doping terms and the sport seems to be doing much better these days. Unfortunately, I predict that as a result, the exodus of sponsors will continue and the sport will suffer greatly, assuming it survives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedin' Bill View Post
    My take on this is that Tygart is an anti-doping zealot (or a shameless self-promoter out to make a name for himself) who believes that cycling is a dirty sport. He wants to destroy it in order to save it. Thus, his attack on the biggest fish (Armstrong) and the integrity of the UCI.
    The problem is that this is ancient history in sporting and doping terms and the sport seems to be doing much better these days. Unfortunately, I predict that as a result, the exodus of sponsors will continue and the sport will suffer greatly, assuming it survives.
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    nope...dirty as my first playboy

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    I firmly and wholeheartedly believe that I neither gain anything from Lance's efforts whether doped or not,nor do I gain anything other than several hours entertainment from the tour or it's sponsors,as I am not influenced either one way or the other on my purchases by "what the po's ride/say/think",I'm much more mtn biker than roadie (even my road bike has skinny little knobbie 38mm tires),and the is M....tbr,not a roadie site to begin with....

    That siad,I admire Lance's performances whether doped or not,it's more than I could do (doped or not),but the reality is,it's non of my business
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    a very sad state of affairs

    Too many are still in denial. There can no longer be any question of what happened in that era. I too was drawn into the excitement of the Lance Armstrong years. But as one after another a rider left or was kicked off his teams only to be caught later for doping...my doubts grew about how clean LA was. Something strange was going on. It could be years before we know the ultimate truth. Perhaps long after I'm dead (pity). Wait for his memoirs...about 20+ plus years from now. Then again, just might leave us guessing.

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    this from my morning newspaper

    The apology Lance Armstrong will never give | Sports | National Post

    hope it is available for some time to come
    if Lance ever did something like this he would get his life back
    but he will still have to face the piper for playing off key
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    I heard the other day that companies/endorsements are trying to sue LA and the government may get involved as well.

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