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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    What is surprising? Which part?
    The part where some bicycle riders refuse to ride with those that don't wear helmets.


    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I have been turned down when I offered to ride with someone who didn't look too chipper out in the heat because I wasn't wearing a helmet, and I even had someone who came out on one of the rides I was leading decide to not join in because I did not wear a helmet from the parking lot up to the TH!
    I haven't been tested yet but I'm not sure about the motorcycle rides; Ie would I go out with helmet-less riders?
    I've always thought I'd skip those opportunities though.
    So far, the only one's I have done are rides with are small groups - 3 total and helmets.
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    I always wear a helmet even just for "riding to the store." It isn't about my ability or skills when I am on the road...it is about the person looking at their cell phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Nope, but you'll get to pay for it, in the form of insurance premiums, local taxes, and increased prices for services to pay off lawsuits...
    Maybe, maybe not. Life is too short for me too worry about things I ultimately have no control over. Much like somebody wearing or not wearing a helmet.

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    Years ago, I was new to riding and forgot my helmet but decided to ride anyway. I was called an Organ Donor at least three times on that ride.

    I can't help thinking of that every time I see a helmet-less rider. While it's not up to me to police anybody, I'm tempted to use the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Years ago, I was new to riding and forgot my helmet but decided to ride anyway. I was called an Organ Donor at least three times on that ride.

    I can't help thinking of that every time I see a helmet-less rider. While it's not up to me top police anybody, I'm tempted to use the term.
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    Do you always wear a helmet no matter where you go on your bike?

    I dont know why anyone cares what others do unless it effects you.

    For instance snowmobiling in the mountains... If an other rider does not have the proper safety equipment how can they save me if im buried under an avalanche? Or vice versa.

    If they dont wear a helmet and get hurt cause of it, it doesn't really effect me.

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    Always unless I forget???

    I have been called bear bait or organ donar with a helmet on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    All these helmet threads consistently amaze me. The depth of feeling from both sides of this debate seems overblown to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Years ago, I was new to riding and forgot my helmet but decided to ride anyway. I was called an Organ Donor at least three times on that ride.


    I can't help thinking of that every time I see a helmet-less rider. While it's not up to me top police anybody, I'm tempted to use the term.
    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I've got one word for those people: 'Twats'...
    Yay Depth of Feeling !
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    I feel like this is similar to seatbelt laws. I don't think they should be required by law and neither should helmets. Maybe if you're under 18. personal freedom is the underlying premise of our (the U.S.) countries beliefs.

    I don't want to get into a whole debate over when the government has the right to tell us what we can and can't do, especially when it only concerns our personal well-being. On the other hand, riding on private property, like trails that are owned and maintained by a shop or bicycle club, if the rules are to wear a helmet or don't ride, the choice is pretty clear.

    In sum, it's all up to the rider to make an educated decision, but to chastise and criticize someone for not wearing one is just immature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    Yay Depth of Feeling !
    haha! You're right! I do feel pretty strongly when people are calling me out to my face as being stupid. I guess true 'depth of feeling' would be if I expressed myself in any other way than to ignore them when they do that!
    You know, I was just thinking, all those people who feel it necessary to challenge other people verbally for being 'organ donors' or in other words 'uncaring and stupid', I ask them if they have ever driven knowingly above the posted speed limits? Hmm? Anyone? I don't know anyone who never drives above the speed limit. My view is that this behavior is much more anti-social, and merits the phrase 'organ donor' much more than a cyclist on a trail in the backwoods, going about his or her business, hardly affecting anyone else.

    And yes, I too drive above the speed limit when I feel it is safe to do so. My choice, and I take the consequences when necessary.
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    In the spring and fall I usually do. But in the summer, I only use the helmet when I'm going riding at the more technical places because of the discomfort. When I hit the easy trails with my gf, I'm not going to wear it cause I'm rarely breaking 5mph. But me and my friends racing through techy loops yeah I'm wearing one no matter the heat. Some people agree, some don't... Whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    haha! You're right! I do feel pretty strongly when people are calling me out to my face as being stupid. I guess true 'depth of feeling' would be if I expressed myself in any other way than to ignore them when they do that!
    I don't blame anyone for being offended on either side of the table when the discussion takes a turn toward anything other than spirited debate and facts or stats.
    The subject shouldn't really come up unless it's welcomed or I suppose one party is begging for an argument. Here on forums, it's a good place to discuss and hopefully the reason it comes up is to reveal ideas and points of view that add to the topic more than someone starting it up just to stir emotions and dislike.
    For me, the helmet thing is live and let live but I'll eagerly participate in discussion when it's welcomed, I see flagrant misrepresentation or feel that I can cite sources to correct something. Especially so if it has any bearing of safety.

    To me, it's not about winning a point, it's helping ensure others are not getting bad info.

    I don't think I'd challenge anyone about why they don't wear a helmet (I wouldn't even ask) unless there was a claim of harm or danger in wearing one. I'm certain I'd either challenge that of need to hear more.

    The preference to not wear one is not likely going to reveal a wrong answer. It might muss up their hair, it might make them hot and sweat more or.... ?
    Seat belts can wrinkle a nice suit jacket... it's all purely an matter of choice, one's perspective, values or comfort.
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    I didn't wear a bike helmet as a kid and although I rode often I don't recall having any falls or injuries. Bike helmets weren't compulsory until the 1990's. By then, as an adult I began riding road regularly and got use to wearing a helmet. When I started learning to ride off road I wore a helmet on all rides. As new rider, learning to ride technical, I fell frequently mostly at low speed but enough to get scrapes and bruises. I crash/fall less frequently now but the difference is I'm riding at greater speed, doing more challenging trails (ie dh, dj, jumps, drops, steeps, off camber etc ) on wood and rock features so the consequence for more serious injury is greater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    I didn't wear a bike helmet as a kid and although I rode often I don't recall having any falls or injuries. Bike helmets weren't compulsory until the 1990's. By then, as an adult I began riding road regularly and got use to wearing a helmet. When I started learning to ride off road I wore a helmet on all rides. As new rider, learning to ride technical, I fell frequently mostly at low speed but enough to get scrapes and bruises. I crash/fall less frequently now but the difference is I'm riding at greater speed, doing more challenging trails (ie dh, dj, jumps, drops, steeps, off camber etc ) on wood and rock features so the consequence for more serious injury is greater.
    Good points.
    Often it is said that we never used to do this or that or whatever for safety sake. The game has changed a lot over the years. All the edgy sports have been and still are pushing the limits, jumping higher and moving faster etc... look at the recent changes in baseball and football with regard to injury.

    I see no shortage of body armor for DH and enduro bicycling. I guess it's not a fashion thing ?
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    I don't wear a helmet when I forget to throw it in the car, which happens occasionally. I really don't like not having it, but normally I'm not going to cancel the ride because of that.

    Considering I have been mountain biking since the 80's and have never had a brain threatening crash, I don't see at as much different than choosing to accept the risk of driving a car. Life is full of risks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I don't wear a helmet when I forget to throw it in the car, which happens occasionally. I really don't like not having it, but normally I'm not going to cancel the ride because of that.

    Considering I have been mountain biking since the 80's and have never had a brain threatening crash, I don't see at as much different than choosing to accept the risk of driving a car. Life is full of risks.
    So you're saying that you don't wear a helmet when you're driving, either?

    Other places/moments to wear a helmet:
    *sports events
    *black friday shopping
    *crosswalks
    *at the beach
    *in bed with an escort
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    Telling a complete stranger they should be wearing a helmet is rude. It is no different than challenging a complete stranger on any aspect of his life.

    Hey, high heels are bad for your feet! You are destroying the earth by not using a reusable grocery bag! Drinking soda leads to diabetes, which will raise all our insurance rates! Waaaaaa!

    Mind your own business and stfu!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    So you're saying that you don't wear a helmet when you're driving, either?

    Other places/moments to wear a helmet:
    *sports events
    *black friday shopping
    *crosswalks
    *at the beach
    *in bed with an escort
    I always wear a helmet when I run with the bulls in Pamplona Spain

    But, I'm trying to convince the people there, that they should make the bulls wear the helmets!!

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    It seems reasonable to base your level of protection to the task at hand. No professional driver would get behind the wheel of a formula 1 car without the full kit and no sane person is going to don a fire suit, leathers, ff helmet, etc. before driving their Civic to the store.

    If you get your kicks seeing how fast you can bomb down rutty, off-camber boulder laden trails a helmet is probably a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    It seems reasonable to base your level of protection to the task at hand. No professional driver would get behind the wheel of a formula 1 car without the full kit and no sane person is going to don a fire suit, leathers, ff helmet, etc. before driving their Civic to the store.

    If you get your kicks seeing how fast you can bomb down rutty, off-camber boulder laden trails a helmet is probably a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Telling a complete stranger they should be wearing a helmet is rude. It is no different than challenging a complete stranger on any aspect of his life.

    Hey, high heels are bad for your feet! You are destroying the earth by not using a reusable grocery bag! Drinking soda leads to diabetes, which will raise all our insurance rates! Waaaaaa!

    Mind your own business and stfu!

    Exactly this... all of our taxes and insurance rates, if that is what worries you, are much more affected by those who choose to live their lives in denial of what constitutes a healthy lifestyle. I think on an MTB forum that much at least should be agreed!
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    Where the technical barriers are small and my obtainable maximum speed is severely limited, no. AKA, riding the driveway after brake or derailleur adjustments. Everywhere else, without exception.

    Colorado has no helmet law, so that mentality seems to have crept into the mainstream cycling populace. Most of the serious riders wear helmets. Many of the pedestrian riders don't seem to think it's important.

    The way I look at it, I am responsible for only me. Don't give a flying f*ck or say sh*t about what anybody else does. Their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Live by double standards much? This is possibly the most hypocritical post in this thread. You refuse to ride with people not wearing helmets, but will ride without one yourself in certain instances? Am I missing something here? You would seriously leave someone on the side of the trail if you came across them injured and without a helmet?!? Perhaps try suckling a little more at the teat of the milk of human kindness!
    No. the beaches where I live are entirely sand, not a rock or even pebble to be seen. If I were to go down and hit my head hard enough to have a problem I wouldn't expect anybody to help me. If I take the risk the solution is entirely on me not anyone else.

    I guess what I should have said is I won't ride trails with somebody who refuses to wear a helmet because part of riding with somebody is assuming that you will help them if there is a problem and if they choose to put themselves in a compromised position I don't want to have to pick up the pieces. If an injury is sustained while wearing a helmet at least reasonable precautions were taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    No. the beaches where I live are entirely sand, not a rock or even pebble to be seen. If I were to go down and hit my head hard enough to have a problem I wouldn't expect anybody to help me. If I take the risk the solution is entirely on me not anyone else.

    I guess what I should have said is I won't ride trails with somebody who refuses to wear a helmet because part of riding with somebody is assuming that you will help them if there is a problem and if they choose to put themselves in a compromised position I don't want to have to pick up the pieces. If an injury is sustained while wearing a helmet at least reasonable precautions were taken.
    So, hypothetically speaking of course, if you 'went down' on this pristine beach, that presumably has no blacktop pathways to reach from where you live, no posts, fences or whatever around it, and you landed badly and broke your neck, you would be fine if I rode right on by without a second glance? Silly! You have a slightly different level of risk acceptance to me, but it is a level of risk acceptance nonetheless.

    As for not riding with someone who does not wear a helmet, because you are unwilling to help them out if they have put themselves in a 'compromised position', do you make sure for instance that the helmet they are wearing is fit for purpose before you ride? Perhaps they have had a ding in it before and not changed it, or the straps are about to break... does this mean they have put themselves in a compromised position, and might be duping you into helping them if they go down and hit their heads?!? A bit of a silly argument, granted, but no more silly than the opposite side, to my mind...
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