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    chris king BB

    I just got back from SSWC in Napa. Our team raced the first bbs out of the king factory, they are just as you would expect, light, smooth, and supper sexy. They are isis and we ran them with some proto type Shimano SLX cranks, it also works well with my XTRs. I would say its worth the wait, look for them soon, it won't be long. Photos at
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    Isis? That doesn't make sense. Also Shimano doesn't do Isis anything, it must be to fit the current external bb style.
    Isis is what I'd like it to be, I just don't believe it.
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    I hope they make a square taper version!

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    Non ISIS

    They are not ISIS its a standard outboard bearing type. sorry for the error.

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    Who wants to take a guess at the cost?

    I'll say the go for $150.
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    This is gonna be a tough sell considering most higher end cranks come with BBs already. Still, I love the king!

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    dang, i was excited about an ISIS version.
    they last alot longer for me than outboard.

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    Well Hopes BB is about $150ish so CK will be at least 20-30 more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaddSquirrel
    Well Hopes BB is about $150ish so CK will be at least 20-30 more.
    So you might as well just get the ceramic Hopeís then, I canít say I look at my BB much but I donít like the curve on the outside of the Kingís.

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    Its about time, that should look good with my CK hubs and heatset. Now all they need to do is come out with 15mm axle for my ISO hubs.

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    Disappointment.

    ISIS had a need for a new BB in that everything else pretty much sucked. Not to mention the one-key chainline adjustment that King's ISIS supposedly had...a rather beautiful, if not mythical, enhancement.

    With the external stuff, all the big players are here...****, Phil Wood is in the game. I don't know. Just seems like a "whatever" deal...unless there's something magical. personally, i'd rather see a Campy freehub from King.

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    Inbred is on to something. A great way to go is to press Phil Wood bearings into your Shimano cups. That's if you can find a shop with the Phil tool. I think it's around $60 for a pair of bearings.

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    It's on its way )

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    Well, it looks like King took his time and made this BB special. It has a special grease gun attachment (remember WTB Grease Guard?) and you purge out old contaminated crap with fresh, new stuff. Also, price is reportedly $120.

    When can I get one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Fubar Rider
    Well, it looks like King took his time and made this BB special. It has a special grease gun attachment (remember WTB Grease Guard?) and you purge out old contaminated crap with fresh, new stuff. Also, price is reportedly $120.

    When can I get one?
    Here is what I got from Chris King: "Thanks for taking the time to contact us here at Chris King Precision Components. We appreciate your interest and excitement in our new Bottom Bracket; we are pretty psyched about it here at King. They can be ordered through any local authorized CK dealer, or online retailer. MSRP is going to be around 129.00. We have a exuberant amount of dealers in Seattle, but let me know if you need any recommendations!"
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    I like to ask a lot of questions, and maybe not get as many answers...

    Chris King wrote me back and said this...


    Thanks for taking the time to contact us here at Chris King Precision Components. We appreciate your interest and excitement in our new Bottom Bracket; we are pretty psyched about it here at King. I can answer some of your questions at this moment. The BB's are to be enduser friendly, meaning that the seals and snap ring can be removed and the bearings cleaned easily by any basic home mechanic. The grease gun is compatible for a Zurich grease pump; but at this time I do not have any pricing at this time though availability is slated for November of 2008. We will have installation tools for sale at this time as well. I am sorry for the lack of quantitative data but we will be making these announcements soon. Let me know if there is anything else I can do in the meantime

    there you go...

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    Whatever Chris King produces is a masterpiece!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubberSideUp
    Inbred is on to something. A great way to go is to press Phil Wood bearings into your Shimano cups. That's if you can find a shop with the Phil tool. I think it's around $60 for a pair of bearings.
    Ahh the PHIL tool is awesome! I used it a few times, its a breeze to press bearings in and out! Quite the investment for a shop bench.

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    Why did they bring out the color brown? Bring back purple!

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    Mine's on the way... CAN'T WAIT!

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    did you get it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    did you get it yet?

    Sure did... it's beautiful...
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    Anyone have more news on how these are running? I'm sure they rule!

    I have raceface cups with phil wood bearings pressed in and they are shot! The CKs are on the way! In the past, I have gone through a bearing set every 12-18 months. I expect, like other CK products, to install and forget!

    Any news?

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    I installed a set today on a customers Spec. SJ 29er. They seem very top notch.


    I ordered a Pewter set for my Enduro.

    I'm curious what the tool looks like that you use to regrease these. My guess is that the black ring on the end of the bearing is removed and the CK tool pushes grease from the inside lip and out the outer edge?

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    Mine won't be installed until around Crhistmas time but a guy at my LBS rides one and actually talked me into it. According to him they make a HUGE difference and feel great. Major improvement. I'll post when mine's on.

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    Does the bottom bracket come in one size to fit both 68/73mm shell? If it's anything like the hubs/headset - it'll be worth the money. I just have to wait for them to reach the United Kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmack
    I have raceface cups with phil wood bearings pressed in and they are shot! The CKs are on the way! In the past, I have gone through a bearing set every 12-18 months. I expect, like other CK products, to install and forget!
    I am betting that, while they will have the same King quality, they won't be quite as "install and forget" as their headsets are. Since BB's arguably take the most forces of any bearing on a bike, being exposed to mud, crud and the like, they'll need more maintenence than the headset. Which is why King is coming out with the "grease injection" tool that goes with the BB. With the ease of pulling the new outboard bearing cranks, it will be a 10-15 minute job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberavon RFC
    Does the bottom bracket come in one size to fit both 68/73mm shell? If it's anything like the hubs/headset - it'll be worth the money. I just have to wait for them to reach the United Kingdom.

    They asked me what size BB I was using, so it may mean they send you a different middle piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberavon RFC
    Does the bottom bracket come in one size to fit both 68/73mm shell? If it's anything like the hubs/headset - it'll be worth the money. I just have to wait for them to reach the United Kingdom.
    The MTB one fits both. The middle piece slide to the position that its needed.

    I almost did not install mine because its to pretty. This is one smooth feeling bottom bracket.

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    does anyone know if this uses the standard shimano outboard wrench or do you have to have a special wrench to install

    I can't tell from the pictures.......

    thanks

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    Yep, uses the shimano wrench, but you can't use the shimano 1/2 drive socket tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundowner
    The MTB one fits both. The middle piece slide to the position that its needed.

    I almost did not install mine because its to pretty. This is one smooth feeling bottom bracket.
    Compared to a stock Shimano or Race Face Crank BB where a quick spin of the cranks by hand will only let them travel 1/2 to 3/4 of a rev how are the Kings for the simple spin test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crux
    Compared to a stock Shimano or Race Face Crank BB where a quick spin of the cranks by hand will only let them travel 1/2 to 3/4 of a rev how are the Kings for the simple spin test?
    Like Night and Day. They spin like the old three pieces BB use to spin smooth and free even when brand new.

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    Anybody tried the Hope compared to CK? For the same price, I'm debating whether to go with Hope instead of CK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crux
    Compared to a stock Shimano or Race Face Crank BB where a quick spin of the cranks by hand will only let them travel 1/2 to 3/4 of a rev how are the Kings for the simple spin test?
    With my chain off, my cranks will spin quite a few times. Is something not adjusted correctly? There is no play and they feel butter smooth.
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    I just picked up my bike with the new BB from the bike shop yesterday. Red ano, to match the hubs! Man is it sweet!

    Can wait to get out and give it a spin! To bad it's rainy in the northeast for the next few days.

    If the weather gets colder and freezes, I'll give an update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nico2me
    Anybody tried the Hope compared to CK? For the same price, I'm debating whether to go with Hope instead of CK.
    I just bought a new Hope bb, should get it in a week and I will let you know

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    I got out to ride mine this weekend! Rolls very nice. Seems like a bit less resistance. Tech at my LBS also remarked about this. He said, if you gave it a spin without the chain on it gave you a few more revolutions than the XTR.

    The real proof will be to take a look at it in a year and see how it holds up. I typically replace BB bearings every 12-14 months. Hope this is not the case with the King!

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    Just put it on last week...

    Only one big ride under my belt but it sure looks sweet.
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    i've sold 3 of these (all brown), installed but haven't ridden yet. they feel nice, i also haven't seen the tool. it'll be cool to see how long the bearings last. they seem to be every bit as quality as the rest of their products.

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    Still as good as new.

    I have had mine for awhile now and took it out to clean it up, its still like new. I had one of the very first BB's from king and shes been good to go. I have had it since sept of 07 its on a single speed 29er that has about 1,000 miles on the thing and like i said its still like new. Top notch BB!

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    I can agree on the top notch, I got mine about a month ago now.
    I had been on the old octalnk from shimano for years and crossed over in dec 2008 to x-type. I had a race face one first and it died in one ride, not a positive start to things! So after waiting for a month and having to service the old one every ride it finally arrived and man I can't get over how bloody good it is. My riding buddy got the HOPE ceramic for the same money but the king is smoother and sexier.

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    But as nice as it is, like all external BBs there's still more power loss from the seal drag than with an internal BB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    But as nice as it is, like all external BBs there's still more power loss from the seal drag than with an internal BB.
    So you own one. If you did you would know that it does not have the seals that all other external BB have, mine spins like my old Philwood use to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    But as nice as it is, like all external BBs there's still more power loss from the seal drag than with an internal BB.
    Also,

    I think you may find that even internal BB's have seal drag coupled with a smaller surface area on the bearings which also contributes to drag or friction as it's better known.

    This force will be so minimal that I can;t even begin to think why it was mentioned.

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    I've been running a red King for a 6-8 months now. It definitely had more seal drag than the brand new XTR 970 that I bought it to replace. Even after riding it like crazy for months it has more seal drag installed and not installed so I've moved my King to my non-race bike and put my XTR bb back. The losses are tiny but these things stack up if you don't put the best parts on a race bike (chain lube, bb, chain, hubs, tires, ...). We'll see how the King BB lasts this winter on my main bike.
    It definitely is a piece of art and looks great on any bike but it seems they've leaned a bit more towards reliability than smoothness. I can't blame them for this and hopefully they'll be rather maintenance free.

    BTW, anyone that says it spins the same as any decent old school square taper bb is on crack. The seal drag absolutely can't be that low unless non contact shields are used and then your bb would be unsealed.

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    Square Traper

    I have seen with square traper. I thing it seem more suitable.
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    Just curious, which install tools are you using? The King one? Based on the looks of my other outboard BBs I'd hate to ruin the looks on day one.

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    hey, enduroforkseals.com has ceramic BB complete. Just installed it on my BLUR LT and LOVE IT....ceramic's are the way of the future.....just dont power wash your bike - never never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty6black
    hey, enduroforkseals.com has ceramic BB complete. Just installed it on my BLUR LT and LOVE IT....ceramic's are the way of the future.....just dont power wash your bike - never never.
    You really feel a difference just by the bearings in the bb? No offense, but I doubt that. Maybe the cranks spins longer in the stand, but hell, I threw on a carbon crank and ceramic bb on my tarmac (stiff carbon road frame) and still didn't feel a huge difference.

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    Feelin It!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    You really feel a difference just by the bearings in the bb? No offense, but I doubt that. Maybe the cranks spins longer in the stand, but hell, I threw on a carbon crank and ceramic bb on my tarmac (stiff carbon road frame) and still didn't feel a huge difference.

    I did the BB first, tried it, liked it a lot...it did spin freer on the stand...it did feel smoother.

    THEN did the wheels with ZERO ceramic bearing....and WOW....if you can only do one, do the wheels...they always have load on them and forsure you will feel thr rolling power of ceramics.....love it.

    Tryit, then decide......LC(cheers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty6black



    I did the BB first, tried it, liked it a lot...it did spin freer on the stand...it did feel smoother.

    THEN did the wheels with ZERO ceramic bearing....and WOW....if you can only do one, do the wheels...they always have load on them and forsure you will feel thr rolling power of ceramics.....love it.

    Tryit, then decide......LC(cheers)
    How does it feel in the dirt, outside of the stand?

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    try it....

    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    How does it feel in the dirt, outside of the stand?
    feels great...I mean it....try it and if dont like it I'll give you your money back!!!!

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    Anyone here running the BB without the internal sleeve?

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    Just got me a new gold Chris King BB in possession, mated to Shimano Saints. Before I take it to the LBS for install, is there anything i need to watch for before installation? It's the LBS's first CK install. I've seen quite a number of the CK BB's with gouges and nicks in them from improper installation tools - what are they doing wrong and how do I avoid it?
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    Any more long term reviews? Thanks!

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    i just serviced my king BB after 9 months of constant use, now in its second muddy season. its holding up great. flushed it and put in some new grease but im not convinced it needed it. only drawback, when its covered in mud its hard for people to recognize it as king.

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    I was the guy who started this thread back in Sept of 08. I still have mine and have done virtually no maintenance on it, and its still butter smooth. I have a ton of miles on the thing and its as good as new. Don't hesitate buy one they are worth every penny. I would go thru at least 2 Shimano right BB cups every year I have yet to even touch my King.

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    A little over a year on mine... no complaints.

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