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    Check in here if you don't give a RAT'S A** about Lance Armstrong's drug use...

    I keep getting asked about how I feel about Lance Armstrong from non-riders who know I ride. I really couldn't care any less about it - I guess I feel it's a real first world issue that doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever - I'm sure somebody will try to say otherwise... but believe you me, nothing in my life has changed because of any of this.

    I have never ridden in a Livestrong event (I prefer Cyclists for a Cultural Exchange if I'm going to support a charity), bought anything endorsed by Lance Armstrong, or really gotten into the Tour more than just a TV spectator who enjoys bike racing.

    I guess I really don't have a dog in this fight at all - and I know I can't be the only one who doesn't care about it.

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    Me too. People have asked me what I think of it, and I simply reply, "I don't care. I'm over it." That's usually the end of the interrogation on their part.
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    Looks like he didn't use drugs.


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    I was wondering if Lance would end up with his own forum here, like they did for Interbike in the past.
    Now I wonder if it will (finally) lose steam and go away.

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    I am with you Dion...doesn't effect me one bit. I don't even have a livestrong bracelet and never have!

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    I tend to think of Lance Armstrong as a tireless fighter of cancer and someone who has used his powers for true good in a common cause. Anything that involves him on a bicycle (drugged or not) couldn't be of less interest to me.

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    Thank you Dion..I'd be curious who didn't use though.. short list I bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Looks like he didn't use drugs.


    HAHA that is the funniest blooper I have seen in a while. Using rugs is bad, you use rugs one day and 1 year later your addicted to carpets and you have carpet burn all over and then your lost to society!

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    Does it affect me at all? Nope.

    He cheated (so did others). They got caught.

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    Lance who?

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    He was the best doper thats it, from the time I raced quad, moto, dirt track, or mud track the saying was the same "If you aint cheating, you aint winning."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Looks like he didn't use drugs.

    Oh man.. LOL.. Leave it to CBC...

    I am still wearing my Livestrong rubber bracelet. Simply because it came with a pair of shorts I bought from Sport Chek and haven't taken it off since my little girl was born ( well over a year, more of a sentimental thing ) That being said. I had, like your experience, A non-rider "friend" approach me yesterday outside of coffee shop ( Timmies! ). Seeing the yellow band on my wrist, he couldn't help but ignorantly blurt out " You support a doper? ". I held my tongue slightly, saying to him the man had a legendary career and made some pretty significant STUPID choices, but that doesn't make him a bad person. I also added that the coffee he was drinking and the tobacco smoke he was blowing in my face was far more harmful to general public then a cancer survivor, plus a very charitable person would be.

    No, I'm not a Lance fanboy. It's just disgusting how everyone picks everything apart to what they feel is proper and valid to the rest of the human race. You know how many brilliant, athletic people smoke marijuana? Are they bad people? Look at the population of British Columbia MTB'ers, BMX guys... Smoke so much their bikes are makeshift bongs!
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    I am also of the group who could not care less... I will be glad when all of this is history, and hardly remembered at all.
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    Feel sorry for the guy... all those years lost riding aimlessly on pavement, just looking for the trailhead.

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    He was the best doper when everyone was doping. Just like Mark McGwire and then Barry Bonds were the best dopers when virtually all of MLB was doping.
    It's somewhat disappointing that any of them did it, but it was the culture of the day. I didn't look up to any of them as a hero or an idol, so I'm not hurt by it.

    Like ebeer said, he whooped cancer, and has done a lot of good with charity work. Can the other cheaters say they started a foundation and were philanthropic with millions of dollars? Plus he beat a bunch of frenchies, so that's cool.
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    I also think that, in an internet based society, there aren't a whole lot of mid-level events - I feel like EVERYTHING is at level 10. So, roadie poster boy gets popped for drugs and BAM! The whole world is "OMG WTF???!!!!"

    Back in the day, Olympic athletes got popped for drug use, or athletes got caught in a sex scandal, and it was something that people kinda went, "Well... that's a shame." And then went about their lives.

    Now, people are so intensely adamant about relatively benign issues, it seems pretty silly to me. People create whole Facebook Campaigns for/against professional athletes and Hollywood stars, and then threaten each other and call each other names. I looked at the other Lance thread and now there's talk of banning certain users because of TOS violations.

    Why/how people get so worked up over some BS that just seems a million miles away from my daily life is perplexing and really confusing to me.

    If there was a burrito shortage? That would bother me! Roadie poster boy cheats? Why would anybody care if it doesn't directly affect their life?

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    Check in here whoever bought at least one Lance Armstrong branded item.

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    Why don't they have an all-drug Tour de France? He would be the grand champion of all time and we could put this nonsense to bed.

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    Lance Armstrong is like the Lindsay Lohan of mtbr. People are obsessed with dissecting his evils and misdeeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectZero View Post
    Lance Armstrong is like the Lindsay Lohan of mtbr. People are obsessed with dissecting his evils and misdeeds.
    Only difference is that he has about 9 fewer DUI's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    If there was a burrito shortage?

    Oh god... i had a panic attack for a sec there. Dont even joke about my burritos.

    Lance? dont give a rats arse.

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    They all did drugs and I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I am with you Dion...doesn't effect me one bit. I don't even have a livestrong bracelet and never have!
    I accidentally ripped my teammate's Livestrong bracelet off his wrist at a party a few months ago, and then I found it split in half in my pocket the following morning. I still think he owes me.
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    fvck lance armstrong and all the hype surrounding him. this is a mountain bike forum and he is a roadie. i dont give 2 sh!ts what he did, it doesnt affect me at all- except for having to see his name plastered in 20 different threads here, all over the news sites, and the morons who know i ride mtb asking me what i think about him.

    quite frankly, id like to kick him in the ball.
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    To kinda steal John Clayton's Mailbag theme

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    If there was a burrito shortage? That would bother me! Roadie poster boy cheats? Why would anybody care if it doesn't directly affect their life?
    Wait for it

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    Oh god... i had a panic attack for a sec there. Dont even joke about my burritos.

    Lance? dont give a rats arse.
    Getting closer

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    Lance Armstrong is like the Lindsay Lohan of mtbr. People are obsessed with dissecting his evils and misdeeds.
    Almost there.

    Quote Originally Posted by GelatiCruiser View Post
    Only difference is that he has about 9 fewer DUI's.
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    Dion, you are right, it does not affect us directly, I too am a recreational MTBer, so this brouhaha is a million miles removed from my daily life. However, for the reasons you mention about the immediacy and universality of F'bok and such, people are much more quickly and widely informed, and feel the need to be 'involved' in some way because they have an opinion on the matter. Just look at all the threads on the subject, and look at all the people commenting on this thread about it, even tho they profess to not give a rat's arse, yet still continue to post about it.
    Almost all of us watch and enjoy some form of competitive sport, and many of us take part. I believe that cheating should never become acceptable in any way, and people should never stick their heads in the sand and tacitly accept it as a necessary evil. The 'level playing field' or 'they're all doing it so we have to do it too' arguments. Looking at many of the posts in these myriad threads, this seems sadly to be a widely held viewpoint.
    Perhaps by having these debates we can see some good come out of all of this in the long run by showing a wider audience that cheating is always wrong, and LA and all the other dopers and enablers are dishonest people and not to be admired. Whether any of us like it or not, the very nature of the internet drags so many of us into these debates, so let's embrace it and try to make something positive out of it.
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    it would be nice if cycling was "pure" and no one used performance enhancing these drugs, but, so far as I can tell, Lance Armstrong is just one of many who do. he's just getting the most crap for it because he's such a badass.

    I have a Livestrong bracelet, still in the package. As soon as the madness over this reaches fever pitch, it's going on Ebay. Buy It Now price- one million dollars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
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    He was the best doper when everyone was doping. Just like Mark McGwire and then Barry Bonds were the best dopers when virtually all of MLB was doping.
    It's somewhat disappointing that any of them did it, but it was the culture of the day. I didn't look up to any of them as a hero or an idol, so I'm not hurt by it.

    Like ebeer said, he whooped cancer, and has done a lot of good with charity work. Can the other cheaters say they started a foundation and were philanthropic with millions of dollars? Plus he beat a bunch of frenchies, so that's cool.
    I have to agree with this. Lance doped at time all his competitors doped as well. It does not make it right, but it does explain the show. Oh and what a show it was. Those were good days a fan watching those epic battles and finally seeing a American not just run with euro leaders, but beat them over and over again. Was it due to the dope? To some degree, but it was also down to planning and prep. He rode by the "unwritten" rules of the day and dominated.

    As for his off bike work Lance did give, hope, support and money to a lot of cancer patients. I can't consider him a hero for anything he did on the bike as how does that even impact our lives. It does not. Cycling is entertainment and that is all. However cancer is life so you can make a difference there. I have heard he is really an a$$ in person and that could be true. Alot of elite athletes are like that that is good reason not to worship them.

    Right now I really don't care much. He is only going on Oprah for more attention. If not he could just slip away never to be heard from again. Or just put out a press release. No Oprah is to stroke his own ego because he knows it will attract attention. Not sure what he will say or how, but his goal will be to get sympathy. Well tough... you took the risks back then and reaped the rewards. Pushing it a few too many times and you eventually got caught. Even if it was through the back door...
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    It'd be great if all pro riders were forced to use drugs, and not just performance enhancing drugs. Think of the entertainment when all participants were forced to take a dose of LSD 30 minutes before a crit, then half way through the race, change the course to go through a narrow, poorly lit, spooky alley. Give people costumes and strobe lights. Shoot fireworks at them. Oh man, think of how great a PCP race would be! Everyone gets a machete at the start!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Commander View Post
    It'd be great if all pro riders were forced to use drugs, and not just performance enhancing drugs. Think of the entertainment when all participants were forced to take a dose of LSD 30 minutes before a crit, then half way through the race, change the course to go through a narrow, poorly lit, spooky alley. Give people costumes and strobe lights. Shoot fireworks at them. Oh man, think of how great a PCP race would be! Everyone gets a machete at the start!
    That is such a horrible idea. Why am I laughing and picturing it in my head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Commander View Post
    It'd be great if all pro riders were forced to use drugs, and not just performance enhancing drugs. Think of the entertainment when all participants were forced to take a dose of LSD 30 minutes before a crit, then half way through the race, change the course to go through a narrow, poorly lit, spooky alley. Give people costumes and strobe lights. Shoot fireworks at them. Oh man, think of how great a PCP race would be! Everyone gets a machete at the start!
    Forget LSD - we go deep with this event.

    Send roadies using heavy PED's on MTB's into the forest of Costa Rica, have them go through a Ayuhuasca ritual, then send them off.

    Lance would come back from his trip claiming Mother Ayuhuasca told him to change his name to "Rodrick".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Commander View Post
    It'd be great if all pro riders were forced to use drugs, and not just performance enhancing drugs. Think of the entertainment when all participants were forced to take a dose of LSD 30 minutes before a crit, then half way through the race, change the course to go through a narrow, poorly lit, spooky alley. Give people costumes and strobe lights. Shoot fireworks at them. Oh man, think of how great a PCP race would be! Everyone gets a machete at the start!
    Now this I would pay to see!
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    I care. If Lance hadn't doped, we wouldn't have had one of the best episodes of South Park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Commander View Post
    It'd be great if all pro riders were forced to use drugs, and not just performance enhancing drugs. Think of the entertainment when all participants were forced to take a dose of LSD 30 minutes before a crit, then half way through the race, change the course to go through a narrow, poorly lit, spooky alley. Give people costumes and strobe lights. Shoot fireworks at them. Oh man, think of how great a PCP race would be! Everyone gets a machete at the start!
    this really made me laugh... great idea for a local small event??

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    Mixed emotions for me. I still think Lance was/is the greatest Tour rider ever and one of the greatest athletes on Earth. Do I care that he was on drugs? Not really. Everyone is on drugs nowadays. I would care if I supported him and his charity or raced against him or might possibly race against him in future competitions.
    I'd like to see Lance tell the truth, apologize and spend his time doing something positive.
    but... I would ban him for life from competing. I think too many people cheat and lie, apologize and then everything is ok. It's not. I'd punish him and Johan and Riis and Contador and everyone else. I'd ban them all for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GelatiCruiser View Post
    Why don't they have an all-drug Tour de France? He would be the grand champion of all time and we could put this nonsense to bed.
    They already did ... from at least 1999 through 2008. Lance won most of 'em!

    Of course, it doesn't affect me in any material way. And this final admission does nothing to change my view -- it is rather anticlimactic, as it has been pretty well established.

    But I am disappointed the way this has gone. It would have been one of the best sports stories of my lifetime if he had been clean. I wish it were true.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, especially in light of who is financial backers have been. Once he opens his mouth, I don't know if he's going to shut it when it comes to implicating others. Did the USPS know what was going on? Did Nike help finance any cover-ups? Did Livestrong have anything to do with it? In some ways, the story may become more interesting before it goes away.
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    So who will play Lance in the movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    They already did ... from at least 1999 through 2008. Lance won most of 'em!

    Of course, it doesn't affect me in any material way. And this final admission does nothing to change my view -- it is rather anticlimactic, as it has been pretty well established.

    But I am disappointed the way this has gone. It would have been one of the best sports stories of my lifetime if he had been clean. I wish it were true.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, especially in light of who is financial backers have been. Once he opens his mouth, I don't know if he's going to shut it when it comes to implicating others. Did the USPS know what was going on? Did Nike help finance any cover-ups? Did Livestrong have anything to do with it? In some ways, the story may become more interesting before it goes away.
    No question asking! We, here, within this thread, don't care!

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, especially in light of who is financial backers have been.
    I don't care. I'm was never a financial backer, nor do I know any financial backers. Too bad for them they made an investment in a dirty professional sport like road racing. My bank account still is the same as it always has been.
    Once he opens his mouth, I don't know if he's going to shut it when it comes to implicating others.
    I don't care about "others" in their ivory tower of road racing.
    Did the USPS know what was going on?
    Doesn't affect me.
    Did Nike help finance any cover-ups?
    Also doesn't affect me.
    Did Livestrong have anything to do with it? In some ways, the story may become more interesting before it goes away.
    I don't want it to get more interesting - I want us to focus on more important things, like good burritos, winter riding gloves and the newest SuicideGirl. In the grand scheme of things, Lance is SO benign, as is any sports scandals.

    Society has much bigger fish to fry than Mr. Roadie Boy. Let's focus on those fish. Actually, what I hope it does is make people realize that cheating in sports is common and we can stop putting these 1%'ers on pedestals and start directing our children to look up to REAL role models (like scientists, authors, scholars, successful business people, etc.). So, that way, we don't have a bunch of kids thinking their only way out of poverty is getting good at sports.

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    dont care at all. pro sports is riddled with drug abuse, at the end of the day it is entertainment and if it provides a better show i dont care.

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    I still cant believe that people believed he (or anyone in modern TDF) DIDN'T use some sort of performance enhancement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I don't want it to get more interesting - I want us to focus on more important things, like good burritos, winter riding gloves and the newest SuicideGirl. In the grand scheme of things, Lance is SO benign, as is any sports scandals.
    But that is part of the fun of sports and entertainment. You can 'care' about it without it having the slightest effect on you (unless one is unreasonably tied to it, and then you have a problem). See, whether I can find a good burrito, something good to listen to, or some decent riding gloves does have a negative or positive impact on my life -- it actually affects me, whether I like it or not. Things like political decisions that just took away my raise for the year (hello 2% employee tax!) affect me, whether I can control them or not. Whether I can find time to ride this week, whether my kid will get over his cold, whether the phone will ring and I'll pick up a new client or not ... so many important things I have to worry about every day.

    But I can follow the drama of Lance, the ups and downs, and not be effected in the least! I can worry about it without worrying about it, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    No question asking! We, here, within this thread, don't care!

    I don't care. I'm was never a financial backer, nor do I know any financial backers. Too bad for them they made an investment in a dirty professional sport like road racing. My bank account still is the same as it always has been.
    I don't care about "others" in their ivory tower of road racing.
    Doesn't affect me.
    Also doesn't affect me.
    I don't want it to get more interesting - I want us to focus on more important things, like good burritos, winter riding gloves and the newest SuicideGirl. In the grand scheme of things, Lance is SO benign, as is any sports scandals.

    Society has much bigger fish to fry than Mr. Roadie Boy. Let's focus on those fish. Actually, what I hope it does is make people realize that cheating in sports is common and we can stop putting these 1%'ers on pedestals and start directing our children to look up to REAL role models (like scientists, authors, scholars, successful business people, etc.). So, that way, we don't have a bunch of kids thinking their only way out of poverty is getting good at sports.
    I totally agree with you! scientists, authors...etc... these are real heroes. Not athletes. Most of them are on drugs.

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