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    Bike hijackers on trails

    I have never experienced this once after a couple dozen times out on the trail. It seems that it's picking up more traffic as the year goes by. Majority of the time its just hikers enjoying their walk in the forest or other fellow mountain bikers.

    But this time there were 3 people hiding out on the trail trying to hijack a bike. I was able to see them and it was really suspicious. Once I got a little closer they started sprinting towards me and I'm pretty sure it wasn't to say hi and pat me on my back. I had enough distance and time to turn around and get away. But this sure did get my heart pumping and angry.

    I contacted the police about this occurrence. This wasn't the first time I've seen suspicious things on the trail. There were cases of sabotage and logs being hidden and put on the trail around February. I remember having a talk with another mountain biker about a man dug pothole in the middle of a descent. It was pretty obvious someone was messing around with the trails instead of nature taking its course.

    I would also like to note this isn't the best place to live. So I don't know about you guys. But so far this last experience really turned me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EthanKasier View Post
    I have never experienced this once after a couple dozen times out on the trail. It seems that it's picking up more traffic as the year goes by. Majority of the time its just hikers enjoying their walk in the forest or other fellow mountain bikers.

    But this time there were 3 people hiding out on the trail trying to hijack a bike. I was able to see them and it was really suspicious. Once I got a little closer they started sprinting towards me and I'm pretty sure it wasn't to say hi and pat me on my back. I had enough distance and time to turn around and get away. But this sure did get my heart pumping and angry.

    I contacted the police about this occurrence. This wasn't the first time I've seen suspicious things on the trail. There were cases of sabotage and logs being hidden and put on the trail around February. I remember having a talk with another mountain biker about a man dug pothole in the middle of a descent. It was pretty obvious someone was messing around with the trails instead of nature taking its course.

    I would also like to note this isn't the best place to live. So I don't know about you guys. But so far this last experience really turned me off.
    Depending where I ride, I often carry a Kimber CDP II Ultra 45, sometimes a spare magazine. On some rides, there is over 50,000 USD over 8 bikes on display. A young girl was murdred on one of my favorite trail that was in a very nice area. That scum is rotting in jail till death. I am ready to protect my party and anyone I encounter in distress. I am not paranoid, just prepared.

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    Well. That's completely useless information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    Well. That's completely useless information.
    Useless information like in MSU report on the scum bag doctor that exonerates MSU?

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    dont ride alone and carry protection. one of my dads friends was fishing with his wife, and 3 guys came at them real quick. he lifted his shirt up just enough to reveal his gun, they turned and ran

    assholes are everywhere

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    y'all mountain biking in detroit?

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    I've never heard of it happening in the UK but it has occurred to me that it would be an easy way to steal bikes. Thieves are getting more brazen and bikes more valuable so I think it's inevitable that things like this will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameden View Post
    y'all mountain biking in detroit?
    I live near Detroit. It would not happen here. It is way to much effort and too risky to try and take things for free in the woods. No need for me to say more. I'm sure someone can spell it all out if it is needed.

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    Getting shot is an occupational hazard of being a thief.

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    Can't shoot a thief, but if they know that you're armed it does tend to discourage the theft process.

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    You did the right thing, even if you are armed, it's not a reason to have a stand off when you can get away and no one gets hurt (what they teach in CCW classes).

    They make bear-spray mounting options for us up here in Alaska that would work excellent for those types of situation, so that something is readily accessible rather than in a pocket or worse, in a pack (excluding wearing something like a chest-holster). The cheap way to do it is cut the top off a water bottle and stick whatever you want in there as insulation and stick the bear-spray canister inside all of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    Depending where I ride, I often carry a Kimber CDP II Ultra 45, sometimes a spare magazine. On some rides, there is over 50,000 USD over 8 bikes on display. A young girl was murdred on one of my favorite trail that was in a very nice area. That scum is rotting in jail till death. I am ready to protect my party and anyone I encounter in distress. I am not paranoid, just prepared.
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    It's a shame this happens anywhere but knowing about it and being heads-up can sure help. Retreat from a threat or encounter is indeed a smart plan if an option and some states make that a legal requirement versus the armed home or property owner pursing/advancing or even a stand-off. Reality is we know many civilians do have firearms and may or may not be 'trained' in that legal sense or act accordingly under duress / heat of the moment.
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    Not to try and sound like a tough guy but my son trains in BJJ and the same instructor teaches me other things. Unless someone has a gun, chances are they aren't getting a bike from us.
    Another one of my friends, who is very unassuming appearing trains in MMA and is very good at fighting multiple attackers. I could only imagine what he's capable of.
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    Honestly, I usually see more interesting / weird / creepy people riding on rail trails than I do mountain biking in the woods. I suppose I also see a ton more people on rail trails in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Not to try and sound like a tough guy but my son trains in BJJ and the same instructor teaches me other things.
    Overconfidence can be dangerous as you do not know what you are up against. I knew a karate black belt, who was also a good street fighter, who was stabbed and killed is a fight with some bikers. Multiple attackers, especially if they are armed is a risk for anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pig View Post
    Overconfidence can be dangerous as you do not know what you are up against. I knew a karate black belt, who was also a good street fighter, who was stabbed and killed is a fight with some bikers. Multiple attackers, especially if they are armed is a risk for anyone.
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    Meh, if they want the bike they can have it. No bike is worth my life. Having said that, I don't make my self an easy target. I'm still aware of my surroundings, and if a situation doesn't feel right I will turn around and return to where I came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by askibum02 View Post
    Meh, if they want the bike they can have it. No bike is worth my life.
    I like my bikes. I would fight for them.

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    I often ride alone in Oakland, but I'm a total badass and ride unarmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by askibum02 View Post
    Meh, if they want the bike they can have it. No bike is worth my life. Having said that, I don't make my self an easy target. I'm still aware of my surroundings, and if a situation doesn't feel right I will turn around and return to where I came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by askibum02 View Post
    Meh, if they want the bike they can have it. No bike is worth my life. Having said that, I don't make my self an easy target. I'm still aware of my surroundings, and if a situation doesn't feel right I will turn around and return to where I came from.
    I absolutely agree. In fact, no bike worth having to even consider taking the thief's life. My bikes are insured.

    Where I live, the concept of ever having to defend my life, or my bike, on our local mountain bike trails is almost inconceivable. I have a handgun permit and a lot of training but carrying a gun on the local trails here is just not something that I've considered very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    I often ride alone in Oakland, but I'm a total badass and ride unarmed.
    Wow. I'm nervous just replying to this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    Useless information like in MSU report on the scum bag doctor that exonerates MSU?
    Um....yeah....sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noapathy View Post
    Our woods are filled with dangerous squirrels, which I find very distracting.
    For real though, I ran over one of the little buggers tails, couldnt avoid it. He was very irate.

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    I canít even stand carrying the extra bulk of my wallet or camelbak on me. I canít picture hitting a drop or throwing a whip on a double jump with a pistol on my hip.

    Anyway, my bikes are covered by homeownerís insurance so it would be less hassle to file a claim and go buy a new bike than to fight to the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    I often ride alone in Oakland, but I'm a total badass and ride unarmed.
    How do you steer?
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    I'm a pretty fast runner and our trails are twisty. I'd be real tempted to take a short cut, hide and then ambush them with a big shove off the trail into a tree when they come by. Hope my bike is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    I'm a pretty fast runner and our trails are twisty. I'd be real tempted to take a short cut, hide and then ambush them with a big shove off the trail into a tree when they come by. Hope my bike is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    How do you steer?
    Maybe a foot unless he's defeated??!!

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    I generally find that a 0.50 cal. BMG mounted on the handlebars discourages would-be thieves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adaycj View Post
    I live near Detroit. It would not happen here. It is way to much effort and too risky to try and take things for free in the woods. No need for me to say more. I'm sure someone can spell it all out if it is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    How do you steer?
    I did not anticipate this response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pig View Post
    Overconfidence can be dangerous as you do not know what you are up against. I knew a karate black belt, who was also a good street fighter, who was stabbed and killed is a fight with some bikers. Multiple attackers, especially if they are armed is a risk for anyone.
    This. Eddie Bravo himself isn't going to win again against three people who want to hurt him. He'll F-up the first guy he gets ahold of and then his buddies will tap dance on his head while he is tied up on the ground with the first guy.

    Now if you told me you train in Krav Maga or Muay Thai then you would have a fighting chance against more than one person.

    Having been a cop for 2.5 decades and having to had to fight multiple people at a time in real life (more than once, I'm a poop magnet lol) who wanted nothing more than to kill me I can tell you that BJJ etc would not have helped one bit (and I trained BJJ before BJJ was cool).

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    Funny there were three of them. I'd like to see them ride away with their prize.

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    I'm going to develop a helmet mounted pepper sprayer. It'll have a built in face shield that drops down instantly when you activate the sprayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Whatís your timeline goal to make it to market?
    Before I run into hijackers on the trails.
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    i had some unsavory types make a rush at me in marin county while i was riding the bike path between sausalito and mill valley on the way to mt tam.

    marin county is pretty swanky but there are sketchy places.

    the fool told me "good move" when i rode straight over a curb to avoid him.

    i told him to go f*ck himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    i had some unsavory types make a rush at me in marin county while i was riding the bike path between sausalito and mill valley on the way to mt tam.

    marin county is pretty swanky but there are sketchy places.

    the fool told me "good move" when i rode straight over a curb to avoid him.

    i told him to go f*ck himself.
    Scary shit, good job on ditching and telling him where he needs to place his junk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    Depending where I ride, I often carry a Kimber CDP II Ultra 45, sometimes a spare magazine. On some rides, there is over 50,000 USD over 8 bikes on display. A young girl was murdred on one of my favorite trail that was in a very nice area. That scum is rotting in jail till death. I am ready to protect my party and anyone I encounter in distress. I am not paranoid, just prepared.
    If you are seriously carrying a 1911 on the trial, I just hope you are using a holster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    I absolutely agree. In fact, no bike worth having to even consider taking the thief's life. My bikes are insured.
    A person who is trying to take your bike from your immediate control is not just a thief, he is a ROBBER. A robbery is not just a property crime; it is a crime against the victim.

    Those of you who think that just giving the robber the property will always keep you from getting harmed or killed are kidding yourselves. For all you know, the robber just did something really terrible and needs your bike to successfully flee. I'm not saying that resisting with force is the only option or even the best option, that depends very much on circumstances. But you should all seriously consider that a robber might have more of a reason to harm you than an opportunistic thief who is just trying to sell your expensive property for cash.

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    Whatís it like to ride bikes with a sidearm and extra clips on your belt? How do you actually throw the bikes around in the air with all that weight bouncing around? It seems like it would be awkward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Before I run into hijackers on the trails.
    That's made my day
    What a perfect waste of time

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    Wait, you guys actually go out on trails and sh1t? I thought this was just a social media "virtual mountain biking" site. Damn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    If you are seriously carrying a 1911 on the trial, I just hope you are using a holster.



    A person who is trying to take your bike from your immediate control is not just a thief, he is a ROBBER. A robbery is not just a property crime; it is a crime against the victim.

    Those of you who think that just giving the robber the property will always keep you from getting harmed or killed are kidding yourselves. For all you know, the robber just did something really terrible and needs your bike to successfully flee. I'm not saying that resisting with force is the only option or even the best option, that depends very much on circumstances. But you should all seriously consider that a robber might have more of a reason to harm you than an opportunistic thief who is just trying to sell your expensive property for cash.
    If you think you're going to get away clean killing an unarmed person who is trying to steal your bike, you (and your lawyer) are going to be very disappointed unless you can clearly articulate the threat to your life that that encounter represented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Whatís it like to ride bikes with a sidearm and extra clips on your belt? How do you actually throw the bikes around in the air with all that weight bouncing around? It seems like it would be awkward.
    Who carries extra magazines? In the overwhelming majority of armed self-defense encounters, no more than two shots are fired. The fantasy of protracted gunfights out on the trail (or anywhere) is just that...a fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I'm going to develop a helmet mounted pepper sprayer. It'll have a built in face shield that drops down instantly when you activate the sprayer.
    Dropper face shield!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    If you think you're going to get away clean killing an unarmed person who is trying to steal your bike, you (and your lawyer) are going to be very disappointed unless you can clearly articulate the threat to your life that that encounter represented.
    That would depend upon which state it occurs in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I'm going to develop a helmet mounted pepper sprayer. It'll have a built in face shield that drops down instantly when you activate the sprayer.
    I'm in on the kickstart for this. Will you have an option for a remote on the bars? Maybe you could integrate with a dropper post lever. Push lever part way to drop post, push all the way to drop face shield and activate sprayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    If you think you're going to get away clean killing an unarmed person who is trying to steal your bike, you (and your lawyer) are going to be very disappointed unless you can clearly articulate the threat to your life that that encounter represented.
    Depends where u are at. Middle of nowhere and three people threating you with physical harm unless you given them your property. You very well may be good.

    One of them have their hand in their pocket portraying that they have a weapon? youíre good at that point.

    When it comes to justifiability the actions of the suspect(s) and the perception of those actions by the shooter are what matters.

    Obviously the last thing that anyone wants is to shoot and kill someone but just because someone is ďunarmedĒ doesnít mean they are not easily a threat to your life.

    Plus most people will turn and run when faced with a ďvictimĒ with a gun, especially if that is provided as an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoker View Post
    Dropper face shield!
    You can be director of marketing!

    Quote Originally Posted by JACKL View Post
    I'm in on the kickstart for this. Will you have an option for a remote on the bars? Maybe you could integrate with a dropper post lever. Push lever part way to drop post, push all the way to drop face shield and activate sprayer.
    And now we have a design engineer! We'd have to use Di2 technology to achieve that, which I think is doable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    You can be director of marketing!



    And now we have a design engineer! We'd have to use Di2 technology to achieve that, which I think is doable.
    At first I was onboard as being just a consumer, but if youíre offering positions can I get in for an interview? Iím booked through the week but have a short window between 2 and 4pm on Friday. Otherwise next week I can open up something early so I donít miss out on the opportunity. My qualifications and position pending what you need of course. I can tweak my qualifications on my resume to fit what you need, call me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
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    And now we have a design engineer! We'd have to use Di2 technology to achieve that, which I think is doable.
    No go on the Di2 tech, according to a certain someone on this site, that would mean using it would make your bike into an ebike. Gonna need a cable. Or maybe hydraulic line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    Who carries extra magazines?
    At least one person:

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    Depending where I ride, I often carry a Kimber CDP II Ultra 45, sometimes a spare magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    If you think you're going to get away clean killing an unarmed person who is trying to steal your bike, you (and your lawyer) are going to be very disappointed unless you can clearly articulate the threat to your life that that encounter represented.
    The safe thing to do would be drag the dead perp down the trail, strap them to your vehicle, drive home, drag them into your house and claim the shooting happened there.
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    That's probably what they were after. Very compelling articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjc155 View Post
    Depends where u are at. Middle of nowhere and three people threating you with physical harm unless you given them your property. You very well may be good.

    One of them have their hand in their pocket portraying that they have a weapon? youíre good at that point.

    When it comes to justifiability the actions of the suspect(s) and the perception of those actions by the shooter are what matters.

    Obviously the last thing that anyone wants is to shoot and kill someone but just because someone is ďunarmedĒ doesnít mean they are not easily a threat to your life.
    Absolutely. All you have to do is sell it to the DA, or maybe a jury. I wonder whether or not (in some areas) defense would be justified under carjacking statutes. In many places, armed self-defense in that circumstance is statutorily stipulated.



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    Plus most people will turn and run when faced with a ďvictimĒ with a gun, especially if that is provided as an option.
    Absolutely. The need to actually fire the thing would generally require a very committed robber. Casual thefts...typically less so.

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    Yes. The protracted gunfight fantasy is fairly common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    Yes. The protracted gunfight fantasy is fairly common.
    Not that it's pertinent to the thread but needing more ammo is only one, and in my opinion a low priority reason, for carrying a spare mag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    Not that it's pertinent to the thread but needing more ammo is only one, and in my opinion a low priority reason, for carrying a spare mag.
    That's kind of cryptic. What's it mean?

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    That's kind of cryptic. What's it mean?
    A multitude of things. A bad box of ammo, assuming you load different mags from different boxes, or a magazine induced feed error would be two pressing reasons.

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    I'm in on the kickstart for this. Will you have an option for a remote on the bars? Maybe you could integrate with a dropper post lever. Push lever part way to drop post, push all the way to drop face shield and activate sprayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    Not that it's pertinent to the thread but needing more ammo is only one, and in my opinion a low priority reason, for carrying a spare mag.

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    Rather than carry a spare magazine in relatively low-risk scenarios, I'd be inclined to counsel people to purchase a high-quality firearm, quality magazines, and quality ammunition. The incidence of failure in that regard would be extraordinarily low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    Rather than carry a spare magazine, I'd be inclined to counsel people to purchase a high-quality firearm, quality magazines, and quality ammunition.
    I don't disagree but even with that I don't think my view changes.

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    I don't disagree but even with that I don't think my view changes.

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    Self defense and the means of accomplishing it is a personal decision. So many variables and experiences...likely no right or wrong answer. The need to carry spare magazines is an ongoing discussion on gun forums and in self-defense courses with good opinions on both sides of the issue.

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    Self defense and the means of accomplishing it is a personal decision. So many variables and experiences...likely no right or wrong answer.
    I agree wholeheartedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    Yes. The protracted gunfight fantasy is fairly common.
    This is precisely why I am a former sidearm carrier turned anti-CC laws. I was in the first group of people to get their concealed carry license in my state when it was legalized, and it makes me extremely uncomfortable the amount of people I know with their CC license who don't take the responsibility of carrying a gun seriously. I can't count how many times I have heard people make offhand comments about just shooting someone for any discomfort they may feel, or being completely unrealistic about how a situation may go down if they actually had to pull their gun.

    Honestly, I would have been better off NOT going through the class and finding out from experience the mental weight of carrying a firearm. It terrifies me that just about anyone with no serious criminal record could potentially carry a gun into the woods and start ripping off wild shots at someone who they think is a bike thief. Same for anywhere else; restaurants, Target, etc. I have been to the shooting range enough times to know that if a criminal starts mowing people down in public, 99.9% of the population (even if they have a CC permit) have no business trying to equalize the situation.

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    Maybe I should have left the rapid rise rear derailleur on my hardtail; thief takes it and as he is pedaling away with me chasing after him (to shove him into a tree), he's shifting wrong and spinning madly as he is slowing down or hits a climb and clicks it into a higher and higher gear.

    Kind of like when someone steals a car with no experience driving a stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingleSpeedSteven View Post
    This is precisely why I am a former sidearm carrier turned anti-CC laws. I was in the first group of people to get their concealed carry license in my state when it was legalized, and it makes me extremely uncomfortable the amount of people I know with their CC license who don't take the responsibility of carrying a gun seriously. I can't count how many times I have heard people make offhand comments about just shooting someone for any discomfort they may feel, or being completely unrealistic about how a situation may go down if they actually had to pull their gun.

    Honestly, I would have been better off NOT going through the class and finding out from experience the mental weight of carrying a firearm. It terrifies me that just about anyone with no serious criminal record could potentially carry a gun into the woods and start ripping off wild shots at someone who they think is a bike thief. Same for anywhere else; restaurants, Target, etc. I have been to the shooting range enough times to know that if a criminal starts mowing people down in public, 99.9% of the population (even if they have a CC permit) have no business trying to equalize the situation.
    The number of people that go out and buy a gun and then believe that they are now safe from all manner of threats without any self-defense training is indeed distressing and dangerous. On the other side of that coin are those CCW carriers that, with or without training, view themselves as some kind of auxiliary policeman. However, I don't view the unfortunate attitudes of those folks as having anything to do with my decision to have a handgun permit. But yes...carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility. People should take it seriously.

    However, it's also true that actual adverse firearms incidents among those folk are rare, and that as the number of CCWs increases in a given area, crime tends to decrease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    However, it's also true that actual adverse firearms incidents among those folk are rare
    Incidents with CC permit holders on both sides of the argument is rare. In the true spirit of strapping a gun to yourself for the sake of protection though, I say "anything can happen at any time"... including Jethro who took the 4 hour CCW class, barely qualified during the shooting portion and now has a .45 tucked in his waistband shooting at something that he PERCEIVES is a threat.

    Also, I am going to challenge you on the whole "more CCW = less crime" thing. I would have to see some hard data on that. People are going to act like idiots no matter what, and I am pretty sure the majority of idiots don't stop to consider that maybe a random guy in the booth across from him at Pizza Hut has a sidearm.

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    Nope, you don't have the qualifications for fantasy work.
    But, but. . . . you must have missed this part of my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EthanKasier View Post
    I have never experienced this once after a couple dozen times out on the trail. It seems that it's picking up more traffic as the year goes by. Majority of the time its just hikers enjoying their walk in the forest or other fellow mountain bikers.

    But this time there were 3 people hiding out on the trail trying to hijack a bike. I was able to see them and it was really suspicious. Once I got a little closer they started sprinting towards me and I'm pretty sure it wasn't to say hi and pat me on my back. I had enough distance and time to turn around and get away. But this sure did get my heart pumping and angry.

    I contacted the police about this occurrence. This wasn't the first time I've seen suspicious things on the trail. There were cases of sabotage and logs being hidden and put on the trail around February. I remember having a talk with another mountain biker about a man dug pothole in the middle of a descent. It was pretty obvious someone was messing around with the trails instead of nature taking its course.

    I would also like to note this isn't the best place to live. So I don't know about you guys. But so far this last experience really turned me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    If you think you're going to get away clean killing an unarmed person who is trying to steal your bike, you (and your lawyer) are going to be very disappointed unless you can clearly articulate the threat to your life that that encounter represented.
    Somehow I don't think you know who you're talking to about this. The law of self defense in my State doesn't require me to articulate anything. It requires the State to disprove my claim of self defense. I'm not going to stand around and wait for someone who is in the active commission of a felony against my person to determine whether they are "the threat to [my] life." I am going to apply deadly force immediately, because I immediately fear death or serious bodily injury any time a violent felony is in progress and I am the victim. A robbery is not a petty property crime and the statistics regarding the willingness of robbers to kill their victims are sufficiently overwhelming to me that I'm not taking that chance. I have one life.

    Unlike the police, there are no constitutional constraints on my use of deadly force. I'm not going to sit around and try to decide how immediate the threat is. The law of self defense requires no such assessment under these circumstances.

    A person who is trying to steal my bike from my person is committing a crime against my person, not just my bike. I have insurance for the bike and I don't give a rat's ass about the bike. But I'm not going to give someone an opportunity to use violence against me for a piece of property, either. That absolutely is not happening while I have the means to resist.

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    I'm thinking a small potato gun that can fire dog poo baggies. Kill two birds with turds as the saying goes. Free ammo everywhere.
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    Are all of you guys pedaling around with a gun on your hip (or chest or wherever)? I ask because in 30 years of riding I canít recall actually seeing a single person out mountain biking with a sidearm. Iíve seen bike police officers armed while at work of course but never anyone sport riding out on the trails. If you said yes, where do you live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Are all of you guys pedaling around with a gun on your hip (or chest or wherever)? I ask because in 30 years of riding I canít recall actually seeing a single person out mountain biking with a sidearm. Iíve seen bike police officers armed while at work of course but never anyone sport riding out on the trails. If you said yes, where do you live?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    Somehow I don't think you know who you're talking to about this. The law of self defense in my State doesn't require me to articulate anything. It requires the State to disprove my claim of self defense. I'm not going to stand around and wait for someone who is in the active commission of a felony against my person to determine whether they are "the threat to [my] life." I am going to apply deadly force immediately, because I immediately fear death or serious bodily injury any time a violent felony is in progress and I am the victim. A robbery is not a petty property crime and the statistics regarding the willingness of robbers to kill their victims are sufficiently overwhelming to me that I'm not taking that chance. I have one life.

    Unlike the police, there are no constitutional constraints on my use of deadly force. I'm not going to sit around and try to decide how immediate the threat is. The law of self defense requires no such assessment under these circumstances.

    A person who is trying to steal my bike from my person is committing a crime against my person, not just my bike. I have insurance for the bike and I don't give a rat's ass about the bike. But I'm not going to give someone an opportunity to use violence against me for a piece of property, either. That absolutely is not happening while I have the means to resist.

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    This thread is a good reminder to pack my light Kershaw and pepper spray when I ride alone. As far as you guys wanting to shoot and kill someone for trying to steal your bike, I'm all for it. Just one less criminal in the world to harm your wife, mother or daughter, because that's what criminals do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    Somehow I don't think you know who you're talking to about this. The law of self defense in my State doesn't require me to articulate anything. It requires the State to disprove my claim of self defense. I'm not going to stand around and wait for someone who is in the active commission of a felony against my person to determine whether they are "the threat to [my] life." I am going to apply deadly force immediately, because I immediately fear death or serious bodily injury any time a violent felony is in progress and I am the victim. A robbery is not a petty property crime and the statistics regarding the willingness of robbers to kill their victims are sufficiently overwhelming to me that I'm not taking that chance. I have one life.

    Unlike the police, there are no constitutional constraints on my use of deadly force. I'm not going to sit around and try to decide how immediate the threat is. The law of self defense requires no such assessment under these circumstances.

    A person who is trying to steal my bike from my person is committing a crime against my person, not just my bike. I have insurance for the bike and I don't give a rat's ass about the bike. But I'm not going to give someone an opportunity to use violence against me for a piece of property, either. That absolutely is not happening while I have the means to resist.

    An illuminating screed. Now I know who Iím talking to about this ........ĎMURICA!!!!! F*** YEAH!!!!! Right?

    Good luck with that, Cowboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    An illuminating screed. Now I know who Iím talking to about this

    Good luck with that, Cowboy.

    ........ĎMURICA!!!!! F*** YEAH!!!!!
    He clearly just pointing out reality and the truth when it comes to criminals in today's society. Scum bags in groups beat people up for a lot less than a 7K bike and it happens quite often. One punch deaths happen a lot more than you think and yes, they are unarmed and should have been shot in every scenario prior to killing the person without a weapon.

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    I feel obligated to post this video again of some real life trail highjackers in order to get this thread back on track. Be safe!

    https://youtu.be/hi4pzKvuEQM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    He clearly just pointing out reality and the truth when it comes to criminals in today's society. Scum bags in groups beat people up for a lot less than a 7K bike and it happens quite often. One punch deaths happen a lot more than you think and yes, they are unarmed and should have been shot in every scenario prior to killing the person without a weapon.
    I have no problem with the concept of using lethal force to protect my life or the life of another. I even train for it regularly. Absent the threat of death however...they can have my bike. Setting aside the morality of killing someone, the inconvenience of the legal fallout is potentially monumental....(some states more than others). I'd take the inconvenience of replacing my insured bike over the inconvenience of the criminal or civil (or both) legal process any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    I feel obligated to post this video again of some real life trail highjackers in order to get this thread back on track. Be safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    x 2.

    where?
    On my rides I typically see a bunch of other people having a good time riding bikes, trail running, hiking, walking dogs, and occasionally riding horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    On my rides I typically see a bunch of other people having a good time riding bikes, trail running, hiking, walking dogs, and occasionally riding horses.
    Exactly. I even ride at night by myself sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    On my rides I typically see a bunch of other people having a good time riding bikes, trail running, hiking, walking dogs, and occasionally riding horses.
    That's what we all see 100% of the time. Same goes for walking to our car, getting in and driving away. It doesn't mean that people aren't car jacked or killed getting into their car, either. Most of us don't have a Mountain Lion chase us, but it happened last month in Wa, so no matter how rediculous you think this thread is, it does and will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Great, another gun thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    That's what we all see 100% of the time. Same goes for walking to our car, getting in and driving away. It doesn't mean that people aren't car jacked or killed getting into their car, either. Most of us don't have a Mountain Lion chase us, but it happened last month in Wa, so no matter how rediculous you think this thread is, it does and will happen.
    First of all, I never said this thread was ridiculous; That's your own interpretation. If I thought this thread were ridiculous I wouldn't keep posting.

    Second, I want to know where everyone's riding that they feel their life is threatened because in all of the many places I've ridden in the past 30 years I've never felt like I wanted my gun on me (yes I'm a gun owner). Have YOU ever gotten jacked or near-jacked while out biking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    At first I was onboard as being just a consumer, but if youíre offering positions can I get in for an interview? Iím booked through the week but have a short window between 2 and 4pm on Friday. Otherwise next week I can open up something early so I donít miss out on the opportunity. My qualifications and position pending what you need of course. I can tweak my qualifications on my resume to fit what you need, call me.
    I think we just found our product tester. We need someone to jump out of the bushes and perform mock attacks so we can fine tune the volume, accuracy, and effectiveness of the sprayer. You also will get to appear in our promotional videos. Welcome aboard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    An illuminating screed. Now I know who Iím talking to about this ........ĎMURICA!!!!! F*** YEAH!!!!! Right?

    Good luck with that, Cowboy.
    Obviously not, since your retort has nothing to do with the merits and simply resorted to insults.

    I might also add to my previous comments that in my State, the State must disprove a claim of self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In other words, the law requires them to prove a negative to the highest standard known to the law.

    If you want to be the victim of a violent felony and do nothing about it because the violent felony also involves a taking of property, be my guest.

    Fortunately I'm quite confident that my community would never charge a person under those circumstances.

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