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    backpack hydration vs waterbottle and seatpack

    so who uses what? or does it all depend on the ride?

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    Re: backpack hydration vs waterbottle and seatpack

    On the Road bike I use bottles (2)
    Mountain bike a Camelbak (100oz)

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    Bottles for me, unless I'm riding for longer than a bottle on the frame and a spare in a jersey pocket will cover.
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    Depends.

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    A bottle and a Steripen

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    This season I switched from water and tools in my camelbak to riding with a bottle and a saddelbag with spare tube and tools.

    I dropped my bottle once in a downhill (had to hike back up to find it) and last time I was out I ran out of water (I had an 800ml bottle).

    I'm probably gonna switch back to the camelbak soon. I like being "free" by it wearing anything on my back but the saddelbag looks ugly on the bike and I don't have enough water in the bottle. My frame does not allow for two bottles.

    I usually ride 1-2 hours. I ride in Ontario and Quebec and it gets hot here in the summer.

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    Camelbak with tools and spare tube in it. I switch between two mountain bikes and its much easier than having doubles of everything or switching seat bags. If I just put stuff in my jersey, I'd surely forget something. The only time I ride with just a water bottle on the bike is for the short track dirt crits I do.

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    Camelbak!

    It seems like it's taboo to have anything but water bottles on a road bike, why is this? Camelbak to me seems more efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    Camelbak!

    It seems like it's taboo to have anything but water bottles on a road bike, why is this? Camelbak to me seems more efficient.
    For my road bike, i use a seat bag with tools and tube, and bottles on the bike. A lot of guys riding road bikes just use their jersey pockets. I tried that once and forgot my co2 inflator. Luckily I didn't need it. With the riding position on a road bike, wearing a camelbak would be very uncomfortable. Oh, and a lot of roadies are super weight weenies too.

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    Because the extra weight sitting right on top of your back (literally) over 30+ miles will seriously strain you.

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    Re: backpack hydration vs waterbottle and seatpack

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    Camelbak!

    It seems like it's taboo to have anything but water bottles on a road bike, why is this? Camelbak to me seems more efficient.
    Not very aerodynamic for starters. These guys cringe at the thought of drag force generated by a brake cable running down the backside of a fork for disk brakes, not to mention the huge weight penalty.

    I use both camelback and bottles. Camel for mtb, bottles for road. I do love the convenience of a pack vs having to reach down. Dont need to worry about lost bottles either. Thinking of getting the 70oz classic for road rides.

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    On the mtb I'll use a 100 oz Camelbak Lobo, on the roadie I use two bottles.

    I used to use bottles on the mtb, but I got tired of eating dirt that gets kicked up from the front tire and sticks to the nozzle. Plus the Camelback gives me extra zipper pockets to throw a phone, small first-aid kit, knife and other sundries I might want along.
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    I have a saddle bag with a tube and levers. It is always on my bike.

    For anything more than a short local ride on a paved trail, I wear a pack with additional tools, first aid stuff, etc. I consider it protection for my back. For a longer ride, I fill the bladder with water in addition to having a frame bottle. For shorter rides, I don't fill the bladder.

    Drying the bladder is a PITA, so I fill it only if I'm going to need more than a bottle of water.

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    I currently run both... One bottle + my 100oz CamelBak... I went on a ride one day with my pack and bottle and a bottle on my pack (5L total water) and ran out by km 30. I don't like the idea of running out of water.

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    I tried a Camelbak but it's too much weight on my shoulders. I have a 20oz polar bottle on my frame and a 24 on my stem for when I go for 20+ miles. Sometimes I'll use the down tube bottle cage too, but that's rare. I only use that when I'm going far and its really hot out. I was looking into seat mounted cages but I feel like that will get in the way because on technical decents I have to maneuver behind me seat so I don't eat the ground.

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    Went back to bottles a few years ago...like the lighter feeling on my body and really..people often carry way too much water/stuff - 1 small bottle of water/hour typically works well for me..a little more if it is hot. I ride 1-2 hours in an area where you aren't in the middle of nowhere. I carry my tools etc. using an Awesome Strap and their Tul Bag (ditch the seat bags). If I were going to go on an extended backcountry-type ride, I would use a hydration pack.

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    I used bottles riding my old bike 5+ years ago but when I bought a new bike the water bottle mounts were not in a place that was easy to get to while riding and got filthy. Since then I've been using a Camelback or a Nathan Waistpack that holds 2 medium sized bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingerak92 View Post
    I currently run both... One bottle + my 100oz CamelBak... I went on a ride one day with my pack and bottle and a bottle on my pack (5L total water) and ran out by km 30. I don't like the idea of running out of water.
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    I get a chunk of my mileage on a road bike every year. I used a camelbak on it when I first started riding road, years ago. I was still insisting on using a "casual" jersey and had plain black lycra shorts with no straps at the time, to show you how concerned about air drag I was. I wasn't concerned about weight either, but have no pointlessly heavy behaviors to illustrate that.

    I didn't like using a camelbak on my road bike because I ride in an enough lower position on a road bike that it's either pushing my down like it's trying to force me to fellate my stem or it's falling to the side. I suppose a waist strap might solve that, but then I'd be wearing a waist strap. So it didn't take me long to decide to learn to use bottles without stopping. Definitely a much better solution on the road.

    I kept using camelbaks for another, I dunno, maybe seven years on mountain bikes. It always annoyed me a bit to have them shift around, and I never liked the waist belt. The chest strap is less bad, but that's not the same as pleasant and comfortable. So when I went to my first race and noticed that nobody else had a camelbak, I questioned my idea that all mountain bikers must wear camelbaks. True, I can only get to my bottle on mellower singletrack or service roads. But on all the routes and courses I ride, there's an opportunity at least every fifteen minutes or so.

    I won one that's a little better a while ago and between that and moving to a full suspension bike that only has room for one cage, I'm using it for longer rides again. But two large bottles is three hours of riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameden View Post
    so who uses what? or does it all depend on the ride?
    Road bike = Small Seat bag and 1 or 2 bottles depending on how long i plan to ride. Food in jersey pockets. I will add a 3rd in my Jersey for really long rides.

    Mtn bike = No seat bag. All gear in small camelbak and 100oz of water. I will add 1 or 2 waterbottles to the bike for long rides and carry extra food in the jersey pockets depending on ride length.

    How much water I bring depends on ride length and weather. Last Mtn bike ride I did was in low 80's and turned into a longer one than planned. I carried 4 clif/powerbars and 100oz in my camelbak and a 25 oz bottle on the bike. I should have brought 2 bottles as had to turn around since I was running low on water and I was happy I did. I ran dry about 20 min from the end of the trail. That was a 37 mile ride and just under 6hrs total time. That said in other cool conditions I have completed 46 miles in 6 hrs with just 3/4 of a camelbak. (100 oz). I actually lost a full bottle on that ride.

    Then last night on my road bike i did 25 miles and 1:25 min and went through 1 full 25 oz bottle and smaller 21 oz bottle as well. Of course it was just about 100F when I started so that made a difference.
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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Kind of a harsh thread, but it's important to be prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    Camelbak!

    It seems like it's taboo to have anything but water bottles on a road bike, why is this? Camelbak to me seems more efficient.
    I find that on a road bike seating position makes camelbak's not as comfortable. Plus road bikes are less likely to toss water bottles and rattle gear in seat bags. Also most of the time on a road bike it is much easier to fill waterbottles somewhere along the way. Mtn biking your are often more remote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wschruba View Post
    Because the extra weight sitting right on top of your back (literally) over 30+ miles will seriously strain you.
    I disagree. I routinely ride 25+ miles on road bike with Camelbak and don't find it to be cumbersome. I can't see even carrying enough liquid in water bottles for a long ride.

    I also don't road ride in groups or competition. Only to get stronger for MTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I disagree. I routinely ride 25+ miles on road bike with Camelbak and don't find it to be cumbersome. I can't see even carrying enough liquid in water bottles for a long ride.

    I also don't road ride in groups or competition. Only to get stronger for MTB.
    On a road bike to me it is not an issue of strain, but ridding with bottle is just more comfortable. And the downside of bottles are not as apparent on a road bike. I only carry bottles on my mtn bike when I need extra water. I find a small camelbak ideal for Mtn biking, but I do find that some people carry way too big of a pack and bring too much stuff. I purposely have small camelbak (Old style Mule which is the size of today's Lobo) and pack only what I need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce in SoCal View Post
    Drying the bladder is a PITA
    Then don't do it. I never do.

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    seems like water bottles and a small seatpack for the road and a small yet efficient camelback for offroad seems to be the most popular trend here.

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    I use two bottles on my roadie and put tube, lever, mini pump, vest/jacket, food, cash/ID/debit card, and phone in my jersey pockets. Doesn't bother me.

    On the mtb I was using a saddle bag but I have found I can do the same on the trails as I do on the road - nothing falls out. Typically ride for 1.5-2 hours and one water bottle will suffice usually. I OTBed the other day and everything remained in my pockets, ha! Also where I live, getting to water is pretty easy with our trail system. I am looking into packs if I ever decided to make the switch or in no man's land.

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    I have a Camelbac Unbottle with Mountainsmith strappettes that I strap my crap to and it works pretty well. If I need more space, I'll use a lumbar pack.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
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    I didn't like using a camelbak on my road bike because I ride in an enough lower position on a road bike that it's either pushing my down like it's trying to force me to fellate my stem or it's falling to the side.
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    Uhh,...I guess, nothing like some wholesome, ****-erotic imagery to pass the time while road biking. But, I do get your point. I understand your argument, that is...

    I like to drink diluted juice on rides and don't like anything but water in the pack. So, most of the time it's bottles only. For very long mountain bike rides without access to water, I'll ride with juice in the bottles and water in the pack.

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    I have used a backpack for years - love having all my tools and a few spares.

    early this season I was convinced by a few other friends that have swapped to backpack-free to give it a try.

    Tubes, levers, pump, multi-tool all strapped to bike. Obviously a water bottle, and for rides longer then 2 hours I have acquired a running waist pack that can hold a few more water bottles if needed. I really am appreciating the free feeling on the bike - and as an added bonus I find I am not overheating as much on the long climbs so they dont seem as miserable anymore.

    Only item I am still working on to attach it to the bike is a small first aid kit.

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    I ride with camelback with water and when I go on longer rides, I'll add a bottle of concentrated electrolyte. Sip on the electrolyte and wash down with water. That way my camelback does not get grodie.

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    I have always used a Osprey Raptor but on my next ride I am trying a seat bag and water bottle. My rides are short - typically 10 miles of trail.

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    I use a 100 Oz camelback filled with water(and nothing but water, they get nasty with anything else in it)

    Then I use a 24 Oz bottle filled with a sports drink.

    The bottle is easy to clean.

    On a hot summer day I go trough that in about 3 1/2 hours.
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    ^^pretty much.

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    Man, some of you guys must not drink as much water as I do. I can kill 2.5L out of my Raptor 14 in 4 or 5 hours on a hot day. I sweat like a pig!

    I also carry a small first aid kit, a multi-tool and a spare tube along with a pump in the bag. I like to be prepared for just about whatever could happen while out on the bike.

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    Local? Seatbag, bottle, 2 shots.
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    Guys....ditch the seat bags...embrace the strap...

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    Get a tube tarp if you don't like you stuff getting dirty and add a Tul Bag to carry your bits in. Just do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL911 View Post
    Man, some of you guys must not drink as much water as I do. I can kill 2.5L out of my Raptor 14 in 4 or 5 hours on a hot day. I sweat like a pig!

    I also carry a small first aid kit, a multi-tool and a spare tube along with a pump in the bag. I like to be prepared for just about whatever could happen while out on the bike.
    I can drink that much too in 4-5 hours...too bad my longest ride would be 2 and 2 small bottles is enough for that.
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    Bottles are the better choice honestly, maybe for MTB it's hard but it's always the best option! #stayHydrated

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    Re: backpack hydration vs waterbottle and seatpack

    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Guys....ditch the seat bags...embrace the strap...

    Backcountry Research - Makers of the AWESOME STRAPS

    Get a tube tarp if you don't like you stuff getting dirty and add a Tul Bag to carry your bits in. Just do it.
    I still don't get this idea. Why is it better than a seat bag with compartments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    I still don't get this idea. Why is it better than a seat bag with compartments?

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    B/c its not as bulky and no jingling etc. You drop the other bits in the Tul Bag and drop it in your jersey pocket. If you are a kitchen sink type of rider..this isn't for you.
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    I've never noticed my seat bags making noise. But I don't put much in them. Usually just two tubes and a patch kit, sometimes tire levers. And I use the smallest seat bags that will fit in. I expect to have to stuff the second tube in a little bit. Pump and multi tool go in a jersey pocket.

    It's rare for me to do rides over four hours lately, which two large bottles just stretch to, if not super-comfortably. If I do go that long, though, much of the time I'll be on a trail system that passes through the parking lot or near a public park. So I can switch bottles or top up or something. And I do bring out the camelbak if the alternatives aren't convenient. I just don't make it my primary way to carry water, and I don't always fill it all the way if I do bring it - that helps with the weight on my back issue.
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    ^^^Are you riding tubeless? 2 tubes would be overkill if so.
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    I've tried to mix and match, using bottles for short rides, camelbak for longer ones, but it takes too much time getting my crap together and making sure I have everything in the right place. I also ride alone 90% of the time, so I need to carry everything I need, I can't rely on my buddy having a tool or pump.

    So I use my camelbak all the time now. Water, tube, pump, tools ( allens, chain tool, tire levers, zip ties, tape, patch kit, alcohol wipes) spare parts like derailleur hanger, chain links, small rag to clean my sunglasses or use as a bandage (with the tape). Throw in a layer, some food, a hand saw and pruner (the maintenance never stops).

    I also like having the camelbak for back protection. I've landed hard on my camelbak many times and thought "wow, I'm glad I had this on so I didn't smash my spine on the rock I landed on"

    I like the idea of riding with nothing on my back, it just doesn't work for me. I guess if I wanted to risk a long walk back I could go for it, but one ride ruined and it wouldn't be worth it for me.

    On the road I use bottles and a seat bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    ^^^Are you riding tubeless? 2 tubes would be overkill if so.
    You've never flatted twice? Here's the problem, once you blow out once, now you've got one tire tubeless, the other has a tube. Last time I flatted I put in my tube, rode about 50 ft, hit a jump, landed on a rock and blew out my tube. Good thing I had a second one cause it was a nasty pinch flat with two large slits.

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    Re: backpack hydration vs waterbottle and seatpack

    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    ^^^Are you riding tubeless? 2 tubes would be overkill if so.
    Nope. I was thinking about it, but when I watched the Stan's video, it seemed like he spent quite a lot of time shaking the tire to get it to set up. And my teammates complain about removing dried sealant; some have gone back to using tubes. I also don't own a compressor, and don't really want to. I know people can often get their tires to seat with a floor pump, but it's not a guarantee. I wouldn't want to be reliant on a shop or a visit to my job to re-seat my tire if it did have a problem.

    And, I don't feel that poorly served by tubes. I use maybe 2.5 psi more than I'd like to. I guess less rolling resistance would be cool, but when I race, my class's winners are more than a couple percent faster than me and when I'm riding on my own, it doesn't really matter.
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    Re: backpack hydration vs waterbottle and seatpack

    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    You've never flatted twice? Here's the problem, once you blow out once, now you've got one tire tubeless, the other has a tube. Last time I flatted I put in my tube, rode about 50 ft, hit a jump, landed on a rock and blew out my tube. Good thing I had a second one cause it was a nasty pinch flat with two large slits.
    Not since I went tubeless a few years ago. even in the old days running tubes, 1 tube and a patch kit was enough.

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    I ride in a lot of heat. On shorter rides (<10 miles) bottle of water in the cage only. Anything longer than that, I carry my camelback with water only, then a bottle of Accelerade in the cage. I mostly drink water only for the first hour, then sip the Accelerade too. I carry food, pump, and a couple other items in the pack, but I try to keep it essential to my ride to reduce weight. I do not carry a tube unless going on rides taking me at least 10 miles from my car. Having said that, I keep fresh sealant in my tires and check it monthly. I never put anything in the bladder other than water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    Nope. I was thinking about it, but when I watched the Stan's video, it seemed like he spent quite a lot of time shaking the tire to get it to set up. And my teammates complain about removing dried sealant; some have gone back to using tubes. I also don't own a compressor, and don't really want to. I know people can often get their tires to seat with a floor pump, but it's not a guarantee. I wouldn't want to be reliant on a shop or a visit to my job to re-seat my tire if it did have a problem.

    And, I don't feel that poorly served by tubes. I use maybe 2.5 psi more than I'd like to. I guess less rolling resistance would be cool, but when I race, my class's winners are more than a couple percent faster than me and when I'm riding on my own, it doesn't really matter.
    Fair enough..don't want to turn this into a tubeless war thread (but it's 2014..try it).

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