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    All the Worst Dream Build

    Being inspired by Piccard...take a moment to let that sentence sink in...……





    Being inspired by Piccard and the timely re-posting of the amazing Zip on tires,https://gearjunkie.com/retyre-zip-on-bike-tires I'm left to ponder what other parts might find there way onto a bike built entirely from the worst ideas the industry has had to offer. I want parts that offer innovation at the cost of improvement.


    I might want to start with a Klein Mantra , the premium Trek Y 50, or the Cannondale Raven super V...something that shouts for attention. Maybe even a frame by Slingshot would be good.


    I'm sure I want the flex and vague steering of Girvin Flex stem and a set of Z-Torque "L" cranks for their ability to limit ground clearance. Looking for suggestions.



    PS I'm also kind of interested in if the Mods will move a thread out of the OC because it has too much bike content, but that's secondary.
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    You'd have to make sure it had 29er wheels on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    You'd have to make sure it had 29er wheels on it.
    That didn't take long. Based on the frames I'm inclined to use the best I could do is a 69er....hmmmmm?
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    Worst? + size of any diameter.
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    It's gotta have elastomers front and rear.
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    With suspension hubs and grips...remember suspension hubs?

    (This is a recent iteration)

    http://www.atob.org.uk/bicycle-acces...uspension-hub/
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    Can it have retrogrouch components?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    Can it have retrogrouch components?
    Hoping for nothing but retro garbage... I might even try to find some 1985 stem mounted friction shifters. Indexed shifting is just a fad.
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    Three(3) front chainrings fer sure!
    Cool heads prevail

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    suspension anything....

    and can't we already see these builds at Wally world/Target/Dicks etc....
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    Bar ends did we mention bar ends? Otherwise known as Moose Antelers. Don’t forget Grip Shift.

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    Banana seat
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Bar ends did we mention bar ends? Otherwise known as Moose Antelers. Don’t forget Grip Shift.

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    grip shift...ugh....
    "It's about having pointless fun in the woods...." - Walt
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    grip shift...ugh....
    Hit a bump and accidentally shift. LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Hit a bump and accidentally shift. LOL
    yep...or wear out in 3 months
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    Don't forget the suspension seat post!

    Hey, how about a little electric motor and a battery to run it, remember those? They called them ebikes! Some people tried to claim they were still bicycles.
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    And an under the chainstay mounted U-Brake
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    And an under the chainstay mounted U-Brake
    Yep, stupid idea. Mud collecting 101.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Juicy brakes

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    It could have a saddle bag AND an Awesome Strap, covering a couple bases there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    suspension anything....

    and can't we already see these builds at Wally world/Target/Dicks etc....
    Box store bikes suck for a completely different reason. I’m not looking for anything cheap. I want the things that were engineered with hope of making progress, but only made the experience worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    And an under the chainstay mounted U-Brake
    Perfect!!!

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    All the Worst Dream Build-9fpn2qk.jpg

    I wonder why this 3FS Tech dropper stem didn't take off *sarcasm*.





    I don't know much about the weird stuff, but I know some people still revere a bunch of stuff mostly through lingering word-of-mouth recommendations.

    Ibis Bow-Ti singlespeed gravel grinder with Lauf fork, BB7 brakes, Brooks Saddle, purple ano CK headset + purple ano everything (Cook Bros cranks, seat collar, & rear QR skewer, white industries hubs w/dynamo front, paul brake levers), rainbow Ti spokes, SKF BB, Oury grips, WTB gumwall gravel tires, Girven Flex stem, Thudbuster seatpost, bar ends, Eriksen Ti bar, and Boone Ti ring/cog. And to top it off, a Spurcycle bell and maybe a Turbospoke.

    Clipless pedals and SIDI shoes not included.

    A little more blinged out like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Three(3) front chainrings fer sure!
    No, FIVE front chainrings

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    How about "indestructible" wheels that weigh over 2x more than an entry level wheelset? (~8.7 lbs total)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    No, FIVE front chainrings

    Mountain Tamer Quad Plus
    Don't knock it, 2020 is going to be the year the cassette dies and everyone switches from 1x12 to 12x1. The resurrection of the front derailleur, the death of the rear derailleur. And you'll need a new dropper remote to switch it to the other side (or so they'll tell you). Start saving your cash now, it's expensive but you gotta have it to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    No, FIVE front chainrings

    Mountain Tamer Quad Plus
    I like how they say, “The front derailleur may need to be modified”
    Ya think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    grip shift...ugh....
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Hit a bump and accidentally shift. LOL
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    yep...or wear out in 3 months
    Have you actually ridden a bike with gripshift ??
    Doesnt sound like it.

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    Biopace.

    Hybrid clipless / platform pedals.

    U-brake.

    Moose-antler bar ends.

    At one point in time, my '88 Stumpjumper had all 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skottsparc View Post
    Have you actually ridden a bike with gripshift ??
    Doesnt sound like it.
    1994 Trek Mountain Track 830....for 15+ years before I got my Krampus...it was clunky for sure, but it was all we had/I could afford

    so yes, I have
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    grip shift...ugh....
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Hit a bump and accidentally shift. LOL
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    yep...or wear out in 3 months
    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    1994 Trek Mountain Track 830....for 15+ years before I got my Krampus...it was clunky for sure, but it was all we had/I could afford

    so yes, I have
    So you rode it for 15 years and replaced the Gripshift every 3 months ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    How about "indestructible" wheels that weigh over 2x more than an entry level wheelset? (~8.7 lbs total)

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    These are pretty nice, but the Spinergy Rev Rok set matches them with the added excitement of fragmenting carbon fiber shrapnel coming at you when they fail.
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    I'll vote and possibly supply a pair of Shimano Bl-ST770 9 spd mtb brifters... mechanical brakes of course though.

    IDC, still like'em for commuting.

    I'd also vote for some Tioga disc wheels in 26", rim brakes...
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Remix of the Slingshot idea?

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    I have Shimano Dual control set up on my fat bike...good with old school mitts on. I don't know anyone else who likes them.
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    Internal routing for every cable. Yeah, how idiotic was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    Remix of the Slingshot idea?
    The Softride has it's merits to consider for this project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    I have Shimano Dual control set up on my fat bike...good with old school mitts on. I don't know anyone else who likes them.
    You do now! I did have them on mine for a season, but then I wanted to try barmitts or the equivalent and swapped them for triggers.... and I didn't get barmitts anyway. I didn't put them back on, but agree that choppers and dual control worked nicely.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    You do now!

    Yup.....my own drummer...that's the one I'm following!
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    Let’s not forget the Amp Research / Manitou rear fork idea.

    https://www.bikeradar.com/us/mtb/gea...itou-fs-40889/

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    I have an XTR rapid rise derailleur I'll donate. It shifts really nice, just plan on retraining years of muscle memory and then screwing up on any other bike you ride.
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    This ergonomic seat:

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    Not sure if you noticed MOJO, but your thread is in General.
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    Love Twist shifters! actually hit dumps and sometimes accidentally shift while using triggers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Love Twist shifters! actually hit dumps and sometimes accidentally shift while using triggers.
    That’s some strange technique you’ve got going there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    Not sure if you noticed MOJO, but your thread is in General.
    Im just happy that it was a toilet trike picture that put us over the top with too much bike content for the OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    It's gotta have elastomers front and rear.
    Naw...slingshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
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    I wonder why this 3FS Tech dropper stem didn't take off *sarcasm*.





    I don't know much about the weird stuff, but I know some people still revere a bunch of stuff mostly through lingering word-of-mouth recommendations.

    Ibis Bow-Ti singlespeed gravel grinder with Lauf fork, BB7 brakes, Brooks Saddle, purple ano CK headset + purple ano everything (Cook Bros cranks, seat collar, & rear QR skewer, white industries hubs w/dynamo front, paul brake levers), rainbow Ti spokes, SKF BB, Oury grips, WTB gumwall gravel tires, Girven Flex stem, Thudbuster seatpost, bar ends, Eriksen Ti bar, and Boone Ti ring/cog. And to top it off, a Spurcycle bell and maybe a Turbospoke.

    Clipless pedals and SIDI shoes not included.

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    Fireroads have never been so in style.
    May I suggest Onza HO clipless pedals? I couldn't get out of them at slow-speeds and fell into a thornbush back in 1995. They used elastomers...so you know they were good...
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    I got our rider. Dude makes anything look good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by knutso View Post
    I got our rider. Dude makes anything look good.

    There’s only really one choice for our sponsored rider. You ever heard of Biker Fox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    There’s only really one choice for our sponsored rider. You ever heard of Biker Fox?
    Is that guy still around?
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    What about a specialised command post that tilts but only drops 100mm?

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    A 'new' one (as in currently manufactured)
    Suspension handlebars, with elastomers!
    Kills two birds with one stone!

    https://fasstmtb.com/products/flexx-...in-bike-enduro
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    A 'new' one (as in currently manufactured)
    Suspension handlebars, with elastomers!
    Kills two birds with one stone!

    https://fasstmtb.com/products/flexx-...in-bike-enduro
    Yikes.
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    Make sure to top it all off with a Hopey steering damper.
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    Okay, yeah... definitely those flexx handlebars
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    A 'new' one (as in currently manufactured)
    Suspension handlebars, with elastomers!
    Kills two birds with one stone!

    https://fasstmtb.com/products/flexx-...in-bike-enduro
    Looks flexy.
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    700D size tires on your GT tandem

    Additional marketing head scratcher: the GT tandem was called "Quatrefoil." This is a quatrefoil.

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    Add a goofy engine and re-purpose it as an ebike.
    Stick around if you're housebroken...

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    Don't build one, just buy one

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    New geometry ^
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    New wheel standard^^
    Riding Washington State singletrack since 1986

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    New wheel standard^^
    Funny, as the high-wheeler/ penny-farthing was known by the name "ordinary bicycle" back in the '80s.
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    Press fit bottom bracket
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    Funny, as the high-wheeler/ penny-farthing was known by the name "ordinary bicycle" back in the '80s.
    the 1880's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    the 1880's?
    yup! And we complain about new standards now.
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    Pedals with those deathtrap straps to keep your feet in place. Yikers.

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    onza clipless pedals.

    you know, the ones with elastomers.

    absolute crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    onza clipless pedals.

    you know, the ones with elastomers.

    absolute crap.
    Beat you to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    A 'new' one (as in currently manufactured)
    Suspension handlebars, with elastomers!
    Kills two birds with one stone!

    https://fasstmtb.com/products/flexx-...in-bike-enduro
    FWIW Fasst has been selling their dirtbike version for a long time and they are well received and well respected in the moto world. But us mountain bikers have had too many bad experiences with elastomers to ever accept that I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    That’s some strange technique you’ve got going there.
    No, not really, just have my thumbs under the bar( which is standard technique) and maybe having them too close to the shifter at times? Doesn't happen a lot, but has happened.
    What I like about twisters is the ability to shifter from any angle, say standing up, leaning forward, not that I do that all the time either. I just prefer twist shifters over triggers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Press fit bottom bracket
    Most bikes in the whole world have a press fit bottom bracket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    Most bikes in the whole world have a press fit bottom bracket.

    Most bikes in the whole world probably have a kickstand as well.
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    hydraulic remotes for dropper posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
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    Man, I thought that fad died in the 90's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scatterbrained View Post
    Man, I thought that fad died in the 90's.
    Is there a better way to make a spoked wheel weaker, and heavier, and ride harsher while still ruining it's serviceability?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    Is there a better way to make a spoked wheel weaker, and heavier, and ride harsher while still ruining it's serviceability?
    https://www.amazon.com/Chrome-Spoke-...dp/B0749DXQPN/

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    This thread cracks me up. Bound to be a classic.

    Check out this thread for all sorts of ways to hang these parts: https://ridemonkey.bikemag.com/threa...-bikes.126808/

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    This design stood out. It an answer to my age old question of why do bikes use seat tubes + seat posts still to locate the rider's seated position. Redundant material with many drawbacks... I suppose it acts as a heavy fender for your water bottles. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Most bikes in the whole world probably have a kickstand as well.
    "Your mama's got a peg leg with a kickstand" (Google it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skottsparc View Post
    Have you actually ridden a bike with gripshift ??
    Doesnt sound like it.

    I loved Gripshift (XRay 800s!)


    How do you hit a bump and shift? Don't try to ride a motocross bike then!
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    You can pretty much sum the whole thing up in the Cannondale Raven.
    (I liked the Y33 I had, so I'm partial to it!)

    The Cannondale Raven was bad.
    Creaky, heavy, and had no benefits to the carbon parts of the frame at all.
    The headshok, while a steering MARVEL, was woefully incompetant as a suspension system when you has forks available. (No travel, damping terrible, service impossible, and no adjustability).
    The rear design was a bit better than the origianl Super V design (the Raven had the "Super V Active" suspension.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    I loved Gripshift (XRay 800s!)


    How do you hit a bump and shift? Don't try to ride a motocross bike then!
    I rode motocross for years. There’s no grip shift in the moto world so I don’t get your comparison. I started the “hit a bump and shift comment with Grip Shift”. This was just what I assume could happen with Grip Shift. I’ve never ridden Grip Shift so it was purely an assumption. I did ride with a friend for a few years who rode Grip Shift. His only complaint was the discomfort of them being thicker than the grips. He ended up switching to trigger after two seasons.
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    I just bought a grip-shifter for my deep-freeze fatbike (Iditarod).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I rode motocross for years. There’s no grip shift in the moto world so I don’t get your comparison. I started the “hit a bump and shift comment with Grip Shift”. This was just what I assume could happen with Grip Shift. I’ve never ridden Grip Shift so it was purely an assumption. I did ride with a friend for a few years who rode Grip Shift. His only complaint was the discomfort of them being thicker than the grips. He ended up switching to trigger after two seasons.
    The comparison is that a MX bike has a MUCH lighter twisting grip (the ENTIRE grip). The slightest bobbles on an infinitely movable, light action full grip would cause an uncontrolled acceleration and crash. Grip shift is only the smallest amount of grip space, so 75% of your hand is on a startionary grip, its indexed, and won't cause death and destruction.

    The grip diameter is a legitimate compatibility issue, but I run ODI Rogues, so the grip is the same diameter. If you like thinner grips, it may feel awkward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    The comparison is that a MX bike has a MUCH lighter twisting grip (the ENTIRE grip). The slightest bobbles on an infinitely movable, light action full grip would cause an uncontrolled acceleration and crash.
    Ahh got it now. You’re right it could be a problem. Having grew up riding MX, starting riding at age 8 I never had that issue. But I know that people who start out riding MX later in life it could be an issue. I watched a guy going through the woops and lost it that way. Hitting wrong on a landing he full throttled it by mistake, C-Ya! The bike launched and he was along for the ride until it crashed. Actually many guys I’ve seen do this but this one stuck out in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Beat you to it.
    my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Naw...slingshot.
    A Slingshot WITH an elastomer fork AND an elastomer suspension stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Ahh got it now. You’re right it could be a problem. Having grew up riding MX, starting riding at age 8 I never had that issue. But I know that people who start out riding MX later in life it could be an issue. I watched a guy going through the woops and lost it that way. Hitting wrong on a landing he full throttled it by mistake, C-Ya! The bike launched and he was along for the ride until it crashed. Actually many guys I’ve seen do this but this one stuck out in my mind.
    Just saying though, grip shift is no where near that easy to accidentally shift. I've actually accidentally shifted my SRAM triggers more. Go to click, hit a bump and accidentally clicked it at least 1 more time (upshift, not downshift)

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    mr tuffy tire liners.

    gotta add weight to the wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Just saying though, grip shift is no where near that easy to accidentally shift. I've actually accidentally shifted my SRAM triggers more. Go to click, hit a bump and accidentally clicked it at least 1 more time (upshift, not downshift)
    I’ve ridden SRAM triggers for years and have never had that problem. Goes to show how some designs work great for some and not for others.

    I was always intrigued by the Grip Shift idea, however the design screamed mis-shift holding on to the shifter constantly. I remember when the “shorties” first debuted. Less of the actual grip shift in your hand and more grip. Not sure if that helped but it made sense in theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I’ve ridden SRAM triggers for years and have never had that problem. Goes to show how some designs work great for some and not for others.

    I was always intrigued by the Grip Shift idea, however the design screamed mis-shift holding on to the shifter constantly. I remember when the “shorties” first debuted. Less of the actual grip shift in your hand and more grip. Not sure if that helped but it made sense in theory.
    my 1994 Trek has grip shifters, and it rarely mis-shifted on it's own...it was more when my hands got close to the shifter itself. Or the trypicsl stuff when the derailleur gets tagged as you are riding

    For me, the click shifters are just faster, and more "ergonomic" in that they are right there by my finger to just pop instantly. I rode the grip shifter for 15+ years, so it wasn't like I was not used to it. It is still my commuter, and I still use the g-shifters when I am on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I’ve ridden SRAM triggers for years and have never had that problem. Goes to show how some designs work great for some and not for others.

    I was always intrigued by the Grip Shift idea, however the design screamed mis-shift holding on to the shifter constantly. I remember when the “shorties” first debuted. Less of the actual grip shift in your hand and more grip. Not sure if that helped but it made sense in theory.
    That was never really a problem.

    Incredibly bad design was a problem initially, with plastic detents that developed all kinds of slop that made shifting more like "hunting". They really needed to use some kind of metal detents, which was exactly what shimano was using back in that same era for their triggers and why they were so much different. They did solve the big problem of front derailleur adjustment though. With 3x setups, they simply never shifted correctly with a front derailleur and triggers, the range was too great and there'd always be rubbing at the extremes. Gripshift/SRAMs "micro adjust" front shifter fixed this, you shifted enough until you changed gears, then backed it off a bit. Then no rubbing and drag. Still an imperfect solution, but front derailleurs were so finnacky back then you could have the stuff setup within parameters with triggers and it just wouldn't drop down to to the granny.

    Other problems included really bad derailleurs that constantly broke at the "carbon" (plastic really) knuckle.

    Then there were the "halfpipe" shifters for a while.

    Bottom line though is that your palms keep your hands from "rotating" on the bar, so changing gears unintentionally isn't really a thing. If you are somehow rotating your palms while riding, like your grips are slipping wildly, then maybe.

    They see a bit of resurgence on some of the cold-weather fatbikes and a few companies here actually set the bikes up with them from the get-go. The reason is that pushing your finger against a trigger shifter transmits a lot of heat in the most extreme situations and your dexterity may not be as good, so gripshift does better on both accounts. When it's -20 or colder, it starts to matter (but yes, other people stop riding when it's 50 degrees).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skottsparc View Post
    Have you actually ridden a bike with gripshift ??
    Doesnt sound like it.
    yes, and the accidental shifts have cause chains to break under load...


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    yes, and the accidental shifts have cause chains to break under load...
    Wow....


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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I’ve ridden SRAM triggers for years and have never had that problem. Goes to show how some designs work great for some and not for others.
    I've had this exact problem with my SRAM triggers. I see it as a user error though, the very light and sensitive touch of the XX1 shifters is a benefit more than a hindrance. I don't have that problem on my other bike with XTR though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    yes, and the accidental shifts have cause chains to break under load...
    Dude ... you need to ease up on those bars or you going to snap them.
    I've ridden Multi day stage races, enduro's, downhill and some marathon races on bikes with gripshift. Never once, ever have I misshifted, or shifted when I shouldnt have.
    All 3 of my bikes are fitted with gripshift - 2 are Eagle 12 speeds and my hardtail has 1 x 11.

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