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    Who is COMPLETELY HAPPY with your HiFi?

    Since there seem to be a high number of negative posts about the HiFi...I'd like to hear from anyone who is totally happy with their HiFi Plus, Deluxe, or Pro...and has had ZERO problems with it (at least no problems that weren't caused by sheer abuse).

    I've had mine a year and have had no problems at all. It's been an awesome bike and I'm loving it every time I ride it.



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    I have had mine for 2 years and haven't had a problem, I like it every time I ride it.
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    Very happy with my 08 HiFi Pro 29. My only minor complaint is that it seems to be a noisy bike (lots of chainslap even with a protector).

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    I just got a 2010 hifi Plus and love it -what a blast to ride...

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    I have to say, I love mine as well. Riding a 2010 HiFi Deluxe. I abuse it regularly on lots of techy stuff, rock gardens, etc, and it's solid. I even take it downhilling at a local ski resort/bike park. It handles 1-2 foot drops just fine. So far it's the best bike i've owned...and i've owned quite a few.

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    2010 HiFi Pro and really happy with it. No issues cept for the shock lost its propedal. But that is a Fox issue.
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    2010 Hifi Deluxe. I am in love, no issue to speak of. Hated the XDX tires but everything else is GREAT!

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    I ride my 2010 pro pretty hard, and I'm a big guy. My only complaints are with the fox fit rl29 fork, not progressive until it bottoms out 1/2" short of full travel? Other than that the bike rocks it!!

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    love my '07 deluxe.
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    Very happy with the 2010 HiFi Deluxe. Still no posts on '10 HiFi's with cracks? Seems like maybe they finally got the issues with the cracking stays worked out, just in time to be absorbed by Trek.

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    I just went from a 2007 Fisher Caliber to a 2009 Hi Fi. While I enjoy the quick handling of the Caliber I find that the G2 geometry of the Hi Fi is just as quick handling as the Caliber and the 120mm of suspension flat out ROCKS!!! I'm a 235 pound clyde and have had no problems with the frame on either bike.

    I'm not sure what to think about the "Gary Fisher Collection by Trek". I do know that I'm happy as a clam with the Caliber and the Hi Fi.

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    I was quite satisfied with the 2008 Hifi, until it cracked in August 2009. I got the warranty replacement in May this year and now I'm very happy with it. The 2010 Hifi is a better bike than the 2008 version. It has the same general feeling but the rear end is stiff, the ABP makes a difference and the suspension is better.
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    I Am

    2010 HiFi Deluxe. Have it for about a month and it's great.

    1. No QR for the seatpost? easy no charge fix, but c'mon...
    2. 9 mm front wheel hubs should be a thing of the past.

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    Does anyone NOT have a noisy back brake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    Does anyone NOT have a noisy back brake?
    No noise from my brakes.

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    My Brakes have been pretty good though the rear had alignment issues when it was fairly new and squeaked a bit. Only issue I have with my bike is the bottom bracket is just too damn low for New England riding. A quarter to half an inch higher would make me happy.
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    Despite breaking the swing arm 3 times in the last 18 months (Thank God for Lifetime warranty), I am pretty happy with the bike because it supports the type of riding that I do. Have now converted to singlespeed. It is very good for training and I can still hop around and go al lthe logs I want. Pretty happy with the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    Does anyone NOT have a noisy back brake?
    I did for a while, but careful alignment of the calipers and organic pads solved the problem. I also routinely clean the rotors with alcohol and a scotch brite pad. Others have solved problems in various ways.

    This thread may help, or just confuse you more.

    The Juicy brake turkey warble/vibration MEGA THREAD

    Good luck.

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    chance to be happy would be a fine thing.

    the delivery dates for the 2011 models keep getting pushed back

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    Does anyone NOT have a noisy back brake?

    No brake noise at all on my 2010 Hifi Deluxe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latent
    No brake noise at all on my 2010 Hifi Deluxe.
    What brakes do you have? I have Hayes 9s and have tried about everything I can think of (short of replacing the brake with another brand) to get rid of the squealing on the back. My Fisher 292 (before it broke and was replaced with the HiFi) squealed too.

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    I'm all grins on my 09 hifi 29er. Rear brake noise minimized by a pad change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    What brakes do you have? I have Hayes 9s and have tried about everything I can think of (short of replacing the brake with another brand) to get rid of the squealing on the back. My Fisher 292 (before it broke and was replaced with the HiFi) squealed too.
    My 2010 HiFi came with Elixir 5's. No squealing at all, still using the stock pads. Only thing i do to them is wipe the rotors down with alcohol every so often to clean the grime off.

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    2009 hi fi 29er

    I have over 500 off road miles on mine so far. Nothing but reliable so far. I took it today to a trail known for its extremely tight, twisty singletrack. I have been told that "a 29er is not nimble enough for that trail". This was not the case. A gary fisher 29er handles much like a 26er.
    My problem with the bike is that it will NOT break, I would love to trade my 2009 frame for a 2010 with the beefed up frame with ABP. One can dream.
    29ers are more fun!

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    I recently purchased a 2010 HiFi Deluxe 29er. This is my first FS 29er and I love it. Only a handful of rides, so no issues so far. It did take me a bit of tweaking to get my position right. Settled on a 12* sweep bar instead of the big 17* that come stock. Changed seat to a fizik tundra pushed all the way back on the rail. I may need a setback post. I also put on some way lighter Stan's 355 wheels.

    A few nit picks... the BB is a little low, I have had a few pedal strikes. But the low BB is probably one of the things that add to the stability of the bike. I would like to have seen a 15mm front axle instead of the standard 9mm QR.

    Overall it is a great riding bike, rolls over everything and climbs pretty darn well too.

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    Loving the original...

    I am loving my '07 Hifi Pro. I have upgraded to RXL wheels, RXL ACC seatpost, RXXXL bars and stem, XT shifters and front der, and the DT Swiss RWS thru axel system. It is a great ride and is around 26.5 pounds for a size 19.5. I have had few issues with it. Creaking was isolated to the air can (just pull apart and grease the threads to fix), the howling from the J7's was taken care of by making sure the calipers are centered on the rotor (the RWS system has helped by keeping the wheel from moving in the dropouts).

    I do have more pedal strikes than I did on my Klein hardtail, but I attribute more of that to the fact that I am not peddaling through the rough stuff instead of standing and coasting like I did on the Klein.

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    Love my 2010 HiFi pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Very happy with the 2010 HiFi Deluxe. Still no posts on '10 HiFi's with cracks? Seems like maybe they finally got the issues with the cracking stays worked out, just in time to be absorbed by Trek.

    You do realize that GF has been owned, operated, designed, tested, produced, and distributed by TREK for a long time now? This isnt new

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    Completely!

    2007 HiFi Deluxe, 27 lbs of perfection.

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    I've got an older HiFi Deluxe and love it.

    Does anyone NOT have a noisy back brake?
    My noise problem seems to have been solved but you have to admit that the really loud rear brake is great for warning people that you are behind them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmccrohon
    A gary fisher 29er handles much like a 26er....One can dream.
    Huh? I've trail demoed a 2010 HiFi Deluxe, a 2010 Rumblefish and a 2010 Superfly. Each of them felt like 29er's to me and exactly NOT like any 26er that I've ever ridden. The differences in feel are both positive and negative but they're definitely different animals - to me at least.

    The Pivot Mach 429 on the other hand - THAT bike felt like a 26er to me but we each have our opinions.
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    i have a 2011 hifi deluxe and love it.

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    Completely happy with my stock 2009 HiFi Plus 29. No noise, no hassle.

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    I've got the 2010 Pro frame replacement for when I broke both chain stays on my 09. I love the new frame a hell of a lot better than the 09. I can't think of anything that I don't like about the bike. Rides great!

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    I have had my 2009 Hi-fi pro 29'er since May of this year, and I am 100% stoked with this bike! The bike was a little heavy, so I did the following to her: Truvativ world cup flat carbon bar, Bontrager HCN true carbon seat post, WTB Pure V race(little heavy but damn comfy) Sram 990, tubeless, XT pedals, Ergon GX1 grips. Love this fricken ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I have a HiFi Deluxe 2010. From the start I got a knocking noise from the front brake. Very regular like it was hitting something on the rotor each time it moved around.

    This has gone away during the hot summer but on a cooler morning it came back. I also get then metal squealing or turkey sound from front and back. It is not regular just from time to time.

    Local shop is working sram to change out the rotors. Has anyone else had issues with the 2010 Deluxe?

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    I got a 2011 HiFi Deluxe a couple weeks back and 4 days later rode it in the SM 100 (100 mile race in Shenandoah). I love the bike! This is my first 29er and first FS bike, I'm coming from a 26" HT. What a difference! In the 100 miler I had no problems, the big wheels definitely helped on some of the technical terrain, and having the FS was great on the long descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFiPilot456
    I have a HiFi Deluxe 2010. From the start I got a knocking noise from the front brake. Very regular like it was hitting something on the rotor each time it moved around.

    This has gone away during the hot summer but on a cooler morning it came back. I also get then metal squealing or turkey sound from front and back. It is not regular just from time to time.

    Local shop is working sram to change out the rotors. Has anyone else had issues with the 2010 Deluxe?
    No issues here.

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    I went from a Fuel 26" to a 2008 HiFi Deluxe 29" and love the HiFi. Unfortunately just cracked the chainstay so getting a 2011 replacement. Can't wait. If I was in the market for another bike I would buy another Hifi.

    My Juicy 5's have been good. Recently cracked a caliper piston, that is annoying and re build kits seem very expensive for what you get. Not sure what caused crack. These brakes have required occasional adjustment of loosening and tightening the caliper to center on rotor. But that is easy.

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    brakes?

    I'll follow up, after riding the HiFi for a while...
    The frame and rear suspension are great, love it!

    Elixir 5 Brakes.... not so much. they always rubbed, pads never retract all the way. I futzed around with them but to no avail. Took it to my LBS, they got the front working OK, The rear is being replaced under warranty. 3 weeks wait, thankfully my LBS put on a loner rear brake so I can ride in the meantime.

    Fox fork seems a little stiff, very progressive at the top of the travel. I have to set the air pressure pretty low to get the desired "feel", but then my sag is too much. Any suggestions?
    I have the same fork on another bike (non G2) and it feels great.

    Both issues seem to be common, especially the brakes. I don't think either of these issues are necessarily Fisher's but I do think it points to some Quality Control issues at SRAM, Fox and then to GF.

    Love the bike, will probably pop for some formula R1 brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan.j
    I'll follow up, after riding the HiFi for a while...
    The frame and rear suspension are great, love it!

    Elixir 5 Brakes.... not so much. they always rubbed, pads never retract all the way. I futzed around with them but to no avail. Took it to my LBS, they got the front working OK, The rear is being replaced under warranty. 3 weeks wait, thankfully my LBS put on a loner rear brake so I can ride in the meantime.

    Fox fork seems a little stiff, very progressive at the top of the travel. I have to set the air pressure pretty low to get the desired "feel", but then my sag is too much. Any suggestions?
    I have the same fork on another bike (non G2) and it feels great.

    Both issues seem to be common, especially the brakes. I don't think either of these issues are necessarily Fisher's but I do think it points to some Quality Control issues at SRAM, Fox and then to GF.

    Love the bike, will probably pop for some formula R1 brakes.
    I always run lower PSI than recommended. Monitor the travel you use. The idea is to bottom it out a few times on every ride. You want to use full travel. Another thing to consider is do not set up a fork to accommodate "big hits". For every big hit there's 1000 little ones. Sag is just one measurement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supercal20077
    I have had my 2009 Hi-fi pro 29'er since May of this year, and I am 100% stoked with this bike! The bike was a little heavy, so I did the following to her: Truvativ world cup flat carbon bar, Bontrager HCN true carbon seat post, WTB Pure V race(little heavy but damn comfy) Sram 990, tubeless, XT pedals, Ergon GX1 grips. Love this fricken ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    With those changes, how much did you lower the weight?

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    I havent put her on a scale yet< I will let you know when I do, I imagine there is some weight saved with the upgrades!

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    i've got a 2010 hifi plus, i hated the 12 deg backsweep handle but i like to buy a complete bike with good frame and upgraded it the way i want

    i unweignt the bike with
    carbon handlebar
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    wtb silverado saddle with titanium rail

    i will keep those part for my future bike

    i'm will upgrade the crankset and the stem

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    I have a 2008 HiFi Deluxe 29er and just bought a 2011 HiFi Deluxe 29er so I guess you figured out I love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycling51
    I have a 2008 HiFi Deluxe 29er and just bought a 2011 HiFi Deluxe 29er so I guess you figured out I love them.
    We need pics!!!

    I've put a couple hundred miles on my 2010 HiFi Deluxe so far and I'm very happy with it. The bike is a lot more capable than I am, so I'm still learning to trust it and carry more speed through the rough spots. This bike descends like a dream, and it's a pretty good climber too. No problems so far, though I do have a creaking in the rear that seems like a rite of passage for HiFi owners. It's pretty quiet so I haven't spent much time tracking it down, but hopefully it's just the rear skewer.

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    hey,
    I've got a Gary Fisher HIFI Pro carbon 09 and i love it!
    I've had a few problems but that was due to my mistakes

    other than that i have had no problem with it!

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    Been ridin the heck out of my Rumblefish(2010) with zero problems. It's basically a HiFi with a different rear shock and a slightly longer travel front fork.

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    I love mine! I find that I'm using the bike for trail/am riding. If I'd have known that this bike inspired that I may have bought a RF.

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    I have always been curious about the difference between "all mountain/trail riding" versus "XC". I don't know which camp to identify with. I go up and down hills, I don't do big drops but will get air when the opportunity safely presents itself. I like to ride faster than is comfortable so I feel like i am getting a good work out. I sometimes try to build interval training into my rides, all this in reperation for that ever elusive epic ride where i envision cruising for hours on end. I use clipless pedals and sometimes dont wear baggies over spandex shorts but I never wear brightly decorated jerseys. I wanted a HiFi but got the RF because the slightly more upright riding position was a more comfortable and I felt that would help me want to ride longer. Oh well they are both awesome bikes and the only real fifference in them is the rear shock, which doesn't provide extra travel and the front for which provides and additional 10mm travel. Oh and the paint job, i like the HiFi paint/graphics better.

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    everyone loves pics!!
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    Love the ride, hate the wait for replacement frame

    I loved my 08 Hi Fi Deluxe, and although the chainstay broke at one of the cutouts near the axle on the old design, they beefed up the chainstay and a replacement part was sent out to my LBS within a few weeks. Less than two years later, I am tooling down my local trail, take about a 6 inch drop, and the whole Swingarm/Triangle assembly rips off, literally dropping me onto the bottom bracket as the swingarm is dragged behind by the cables and chain only. Apparently one of the chainstays broke behind the bottom bracket weld, and the added stress broke the other one in the same place. With the bottom of the swngarm completely detached, the only thing holding the rear triangle on was the seatstay pivot, which then broke. Long story short, it was a catastrophic faillure, but one I attrubute to probably 4500 miles of hard xc riding,as I beat the crap out of the bike. No hard feelings about it at all as I love the bike, but getting a new frame has not been a positive experience! When it became clear I was not going to get a frame replacement from Trek immediately, of course I had to buy a 2010 29 Hi Fi Deluxe as I was Jonesing bad, so this is a testament to my brand loyalty. I would just say that after almost 2 months of waiting for a frame replacement with no positive news from my LBS, I would lodge this complaint that Trek is not getting these replacement frames out quickly enough to ensure a customer-friendly experience. If I had not had the cash to buy a new ride I would be one homicidal guy.

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    Love the bike, but hated the big sweep bars. They were the worst bars ever. Huge sweep made it feel like you were falling over the front wheel when standing. Replaced the bars and now it is amazing. Climbs like a goat and is super fast.

    On the trail in Florida

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    2010 HiFi Deluxe

    I have been riding Fisher hardtails for about 8 years. I borrowed a 08 HiFi from a friend and rode it on my three favorite trails. I noticed it was a heavier ride from the get-go but it resulted in a faster, smoother ride. About 3 months ago I got my '10 Deluxe and I so love it. I cut down the big sweep bars (what were they thinking ??), swapped out the saddle and went full tubeless. Only small issue is the front brake rub which I plan to bring back to LBS to correct. Overall the Fishers are a great value for the wallet and their warranty to excellent...

    As a side note, the very first ride my friend had on his 08, after I returned it, resulted in a busted frame. I was bummed feeling that I might had something to do with it as I ride a little harder than him. But he now has a huge smile because Fisher replaced his 08 HiFi with a Superlfy 100 frame.. go figure !

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    '08 Carbon Hifi. Everything is great. I actually wish it would crack so I could get the newer one.

    Anyone know if I can get the newer rear end retro fit on my front triangle?

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    Changing opinion on Hi fi Deluxe

    Loved the bike except that it broke twice, the latest a catastrophic failure that required a new frame. Read my thread on Trek under Fisher/Trek frame swap aggavation. The bike broke and I undersand that happens, but Trek needs to work on their replacement policy as I have spent way too much time waiting for a frame (2 1/2 months) only to find that I am getting a frame replacement that is not appropriate and that I do not want.

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    I just sent my fork and rear shock off to push, while it's down I'm changing the rear disc out for 185mm. Loving mine.

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    I have a 2010 Hifi Plus I bought in December, so far I'm loving it.

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    I have a 2011 Hifi Deluxe. I love the bike now. I have had it since the beginning of November. It was a little rough going in the beginning. It needed a lot of adjustment after each ride. I have had squeaky, even grinding brakes, at times on my Elixir 5's. I have had a loose rear hub and squeaky pivot bolts. They told me the pivot bolts didnt have enough loc tite causing them to loosen and squeak. I wanted a strong bike due to the difficult terrain that I ride here in Tulsa Ok. Its incredibly rocky. It had its early problems but is getting stronger after each ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    everyone loves pics!!

    Is this at Mt Nebo, Arkansas? I think I recognize that dozer.

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    Is this at Mt Nebo, Arkansas? I think I recognize that dozer.
    No it's northern California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerBob
    Loved the bike except that it broke twice, the latest a catastrophic failure that required a new frame. Read my thread on Trek under Fisher/Trek frame swap aggavation. The bike broke and I undersand that happens, but Trek needs to work on their replacement policy as I have spent way too much time waiting for a frame (2 1/2 months) only to find that I am getting a frame replacement that is not appropriate and that I do not want.
    In reading the other thread it's actually your LBS that sucked not Trek. I just wanted to post this here to be fair (and I'm sure you'd agree given the development of the other thread).

    I've broken several frames from several manufactures over the years and Trek was the easiest I've had to deal with. It was practically no questions asked. Of course my local Trek dealer is owned/run by awesome people who take care of their customers which is critical. Combine that with Trek's good CS and I had a new bike in my hands in 5 days.
    Santa Cruz was also pretty good when I broke my Nomad but it still took 3 weeks all said and done.

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    2009 deluxe = bike bliss

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    My riding buddy doesnt!

    My riding buddy has broken 3 hifi's and now Trek is sending him a new EX9 frame for a full replacement. He liked the bike except for the weak chainstays,
    Too wet to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prooperator
    My riding buddy has broken 3 hifi's and now Trek is sending him a new EX9 frame for a full replacement. He liked the bike except for the weak chainstays,
    What years were the frames?

    Have we heard a single report of a 2010 or 2011 breaking yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slidecontrol
    chance to be happy would be a fine thing.

    the delivery dates for the 2011 models keep getting pushed back
    Really? I picked up my 2011 Hifi Pro back in January. Just think, maybe you'll get lucky like I did and you'll get stock Ralphs at no extra charge. Just need to get through thaw so I can ride it. Now, where'd I put those teneightys...

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    2008 HiFi Pro 26 - 3 broken frames. LBS finally gave me a 2009 frame. Best bike I ever owned Much stiffer frame on 09 vs. 08.

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    2008 HiFi Plus 26" - First broken frame (drive-side chainstay) not from stupid riding! Still waiting to hear from my LBS on replacement/repair solution?! This was my first FS MTB and had treated me very well through almost 3 CO riding seasons!!

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    2011 HiFi Pro and love it..did a 5 hour 24 mile ride Friday. The rear brake was chirpin and squeakin but the LBS adjusted it before my ride and it was totally silent. I love this bike more everytime I saddle up.....absolutly ZERO buyer's remorse.

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    Update on my previous post.

    I have had the 2011 Hifi Deluxe now for 5 months. I have put approximately 200 miles on it. I love it. It has all of the bugs I mentioned in my earlier post worked out of it. It is fast and seems incredibly durable. The bike handles great.

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    HIFI PRO 2011 - tubeless ready

    Hi,

    I'm wondering if I need tubeless strips into stock wheels Bontrager Race Lite TLR with asymetric rims to make it tubeless. Or better can I use delivered strips with tubes for tubeless? If not, can I use any tubeless strips or do I need special tubeless set from Bontrager? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinbk
    Hi,

    I'm wondering if I need tubeless strips into stock wheels Bontrager Race Lite TLR with asymetric rims to make it tubeless. Or better can I use delivered strips with tubes for tubeless? If not, can I use any tubeless strips or do I need special tubeless set from Bontrager? Thanks.
    Mine had strips so I just needed valve stems.

    That said, those rims are the most difficult to get mounted of any rim I've ever used with or without tubes. Getting the bead to sit is ridiculous. Using soapy water and seating one side of the bead using your fingers is mandatory or it will be even harder. Even then you'll be pumping up to 80psi+ before the bead pops into place. Tried the following tires and had the same results with all (all had been previously mounted so this shouldn't have been so difficult):
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    You do need tubeless strips but the Race Lites are supposed to come with them. It is kind of hard to tell if the rim strips are already in there since they fit so well and have a hard plastic feel to them. The easiest way to tell if they're already in there is to check the valve hole on the strip side of the wheel. If it is surrounded by 2 elongated raised triangles going along the rim strip then they are the TLR strips.
    If they aren't already there, you should be able to use stan's rim strips in there, but I went with the bontrager strips. The price is slightly lower (bontrager sells the strips and the valve stems separately) and they fit the TLR rims oh so perfectly.

    Coincidentally, photodog, how well do non-bontrager tires fit on a tlr rim and strip? Any concerns or it made no difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by photodog
    Mine had strips so I just needed valve stems.

    That said, those rims are the most difficult to get mounted of any rim I've ever used with or without tubes. Getting the bead to sit is ridiculous. Using soapy water and seating one side of the bead using your fingers is mandatory or it will be even harder. Even then you'll be pumping up to 80psi+ before the bead pops into place. Tried the following tires and had the same results with all (all had been previously mounted so this shouldn't have been so difficult):
    Ardent
    S-Works Fast Track
    SB8
    Bontrager Jones

    I cant agree with you more Photodog. I had more trouble getting those tires to seat to the point that I thought that I might blow them up. It took all of 90psi. I am still not so sure that they are seated properly. I think they still have leaks around the bead but they hold air for the duration of my weekly rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonuck

    Coincidentally, photodog, how well do non-bontrager tires fit on a tlr rim and strip? Any concerns or it made no difference?
    All were a total pain to setup, didn't make any difference. All required 80+ psi, kind of frightening....


    Oh, and back to the original question...
    I'm totally happy with the HiFi as a frame but to spec it with on open QR in front is just lame. Way more flex than is necessary at my 175lbs. I'm sending mine into Fox to get it switched over to a QR15 so the fork's performance matches the frame. On technical stuff, on off-camber sand or running through parallel ruts it get's sketchy. The frame is so capable there's just no excuse to hinder the performance by using an outdated technology like a 9mm QR. I run the same fork (but with 80mm) on my Paragon and it doesn't bother me but the HiFi is so much faster it's too easy to push beyond what a QR can do.

    Other than that I'm really happy with this bike as a marathon XC style bike to fit between my single speed and Nomad. I put on X0 2x10 cranks, Noir bar, Stans Arch wheels and a X0 cassette and the weight is down to the 26lb range for my size XL. Not bad at all.

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    I just installed a Panaracer Rampage (front) and a Maxxis Crossmark (rear) on my Hifi and had no issues at all getting them to seat, and only had to pump them up to about 60psi. Both tires are foldable so maybe that's the difference. I am using the original Duster wheels with the Bontrager rim strips... works great and holds the exact same air pressure for weeks at a time.

    I previously had the original XDX's mounted as tubeless and had no trouble getting them to seat either. However the tires themselves were not my favorite, too much drifting in corners before hooking up and totally unpredictable. Lovin the Rampage up front!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdaled
    I just installed a Panaracer Rampage (front) and a Maxxis Crossmark (rear) on my Hifi and had no issues at all getting them to seat, and only had to pump them up to about 60psi. Both tires are foldable so maybe that's the difference. I am using the original Duster wheels with the Bontrager rim strips... works great and holds the exact same air pressure for weeks at a time.

    I previously had the original XDX's mounted as tubeless and had no trouble getting them to seat either. However the tires themselves were not my favorite, too much drifting in corners before hooking up and totally unpredictable. Lovin the Rampage up front!

    I am also not a big fan of the XDX's that came with the bike, but had tubeless mounted with them when I bought my '10 29" Hi FI Deluxe, and changed out the front tire with a Captain Control. It burped going down a really heavy and rocky section, and I flatted and washed out at the end, breaking two ribs! To get to the point, I now have tubes in both tires, and I replaced the Captain Control 2.0" tire with a more aggressive Kenda Nevegal 2.25 in front. I will put the Captain on the back to replace the XDX, but am conflicted on whether to go back to tubeless or not, as I have had THREE pinch flats in the past two days on my tubed tires on the one hand, but broke two ribs flatting out on tubeless on the other! Does anybody know if the Bontrager wheel and the Kenda tire, neither of which I believe are dedicated tubelsss UST, will give me a problem? I believe the Captain tire says Tubeless on it, and it flatted tubless, so does the bead really make that much difference? I'm looking for any suggestions on my setup. Going into the dry weather riding rocky at times, yet often dry and loose SoCal singletrack and fire road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdaled
    I just installed a Panaracer Rampage (front) and a Maxxis Crossmark (rear) on my Hifi and had no issues at all getting them to seat, and only had to pump them up to about 60psi. Both tires are foldable so maybe that's the difference. I am using the original Duster wheels with the Bontrager rim strips... works great and holds the exact same air pressure for weeks at a time.

    I previously had the original XDX's mounted as tubeless and had no trouble getting them to seat either. However the tires themselves were not my favorite, too much drifting in corners before hooking up and totally unpredictable. Lovin the Rampage up front!
    Do you have the 2011 HiFi? Older ones had different rims that were much easier to mount.

    Anything above 40psi is not recommended for installing without a tube and it only takes me 30psi to seat any tire I've ever used on my Flows, Arch's and DT 5.1d's, I'd say the rim is the issue. I've mounted up countless tires on at least 6 different wheelsets and this wheelset is by far the most troublesome. I have only used folding tires, never wirebeads, but I suspect the issue is with the internal rim design, not the bead of the tires so it wouldn't make a difference.

    In my experience, if the rim fights having a bead sit it easily then it's going to greatly increase the risk of burping. I only run these rims as backups with tubes as I don't trust them at all.

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    2010 Hifi Deluxe with Duster rims. I don't have much mileage on the new tires yet, but had a couple hundred on the XDX's set up as tubeless and not once did they burp on me. I only put air in them about once a month and rode a couple times a week, and even then it only dropped a couple pounds. I ran them at 25-30psi.

    As far as mounting and seating, yes it took a little extra air pressure (50-60psi, which the tire is clearly rated for) to get them seated, but I then immediately lowered the pressure to 30 and it was ready to ride.

    I don't have much experience with other tubeless setups, but I can't see how anything else would be any better than what I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdaled
    2010 Hifi Deluxe with Duster rims. I don't have much mileage on the new tires yet, but had a couple hundred on the XDX's set up as tubeless and not once did they burp on me. I only put air in them about once a month and rode a couple times a week, and even then it only dropped a couple pounds. I ran them at 25-30psi.

    As far as mounting and seating, yes it took a little extra air pressure (50-60psi, which the tire is clearly rated for) to get them seated, but I then immediately lowered the pressure to 30 and it was ready to ride.

    I don't have much experience with other tubeless setups, but I can't see how anything else would be any better than what I have.
    Apples to oranges: 2011 use the 4mm narrower Mustang rims. As I said, older HiFi's had different rims that were much easier to mount tubeless. Glad it works fine for you but for those of us with the 2011, it's a different story.

    BTW, tires are rated to higher psi for tubes, not necessarily for tubeless. http://www.notubes.com/detailed_kit_instruction.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by photodog
    Apples to oranges: 2011 use the 4mm narrower Mustang rims. As I said, older HiFi's had different rims that were much easier to mount tubeless. Glad it works fine for you but for those of us with the 2011, it's a different story.

    BTW, tires are rated to higher psi for tubes, not necessarily for tubeless. http://www.notubes.com/detailed_kit_instruction.aspx

    I do have the 2010 HiFi Deluxe with the Duster rims, so I am hearing that there is not a great chance of tubelss-ready tires burping on these rims, despite it happening to me. I pprolly let TOO much air out before descending, I guess.. I will chalk my flat and fall up to that experience,, and in the interest of ridding myself of pinch flats will probably convert back to tubeless. I gotta say that the two broken ribs were a deterrent to going back to tubelsss absent some additional encouragement. I will go with the Kenda Nevegal 2.25 on front and Capatin Control 2.0 in rear to raplace the stock XDX that's on there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerBob
    I gotta say that the two broken ribs were a deterrent to going back to tubelsss absent some additional encouragement.
    Having cracked a rib boxing I'd say they are a deterrent to doing just about anything, hurts for years!

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    Alright, I have to post something bad about my 2011 Hifi Pro. I went to take it out for its maiden voyage tonight after work only to find that the fork dropouts are too long for my yakima copperhead rack . Ended up taking my XCal out instead. Thankfully my REI dividend and coupon saved the day with a brand new yakima sprocket rocket rack for $60! Taking the Hifi out on Saturday for an 18 mile shakedown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chong
    Alright, I have to post something bad about my 2011 Hifi Pro. I went to take it out for its maiden voyage tonight after work only to find that the fork dropouts are too long for my yakima copperhead rack . Ended up taking my XCal out instead. Thankfully my REI dividend and coupon saved the day with a brand new yakima sprocket rocket rack for $60! Taking the Hifi out on Saturday for an 18 mile shakedown.
    Sounds like a Yakima problem!
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    Time for an update, my 2010 Hifi pro has bean a healthy steed. I had both rear shock and fork Pushed, Wow!! I also added a drop seatpost and larger 185mm rear brake rotor. I was going for a XC based trail bike, and that is what I got. The RF felt clumsy to me when I was comparing the two side by side. My only complaint at the moment is that I'm noticing a fair amount of side to side movement with the rear wheel when I'm cranking on it, I think that its flex in the rear triangle but I'm not sure, I don't remember noticing it before? The pivots appear to be in fine shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    I had both rear shock and fork Pushed, Wow!!
    I have been thinking about doing this, can you elaborate on how it helped? What changed? Also, did you request them to be setup a certain way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    Time for an update, my 2010 Hifi pro has bean a healthy steed. I had both rear shock and fork Pushed, Wow!! I also added a drop seatpost and larger 185mm rear brake rotor. I was going for a XC based trail bike, and that is what I got. The RF felt clumsy to me when I was comparing the two side by side. My only complaint at the moment is that I'm noticing a fair amount of side to side movement with the rear wheel when I'm cranking on it, I think that its flex in the rear triangle but I'm not sure, I don't remember noticing it before? The pivots appear to be in fine shape.
    How's your rear wheel tension? My wheels were straight so I hadn't messed with them but when I gave them a bit of tension it really helped the rear end out. Can't do much for that flexy fork though...

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    The spoke tension feels tight, however I know that can be deceiving. As far as Pushing the suspension I told them I wanted the rear to be more plush with propedal off, and firm whith PP on, with the fork I wanted more linier travel and I wasnt getting the last 3/4" out of the top end of the fork. I told them that I consider myself a fairly aggressive trail rider, they delivered. Full travel out of the front end, and more plush all the way around. It cost $344 on sale, totally worth it. oh and pics..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    ... and I wasnt getting the last 3/4" out of the top end of the fork.
    I don't think any Fox fork get's the last 15% of it's travel. That's a ringing endorsement of "Push-ing" if I've ever heard it! Love Fox forks but it sure is annoying when you pay for 160mm and only get 140....

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    I've not gotten 2 rides in on my 2011 Hifi Pro. For the most part I love the bike, but I'm still learning how to ride it. I've gotten fairly comfortable going down, but climbing is causing me some trouble (got launched OTB yesterday). Not the bike's fault that I don't know how to ride it (this is my first FS bike). My only real gripe is the 3x10 drivetrain rubs on both ends of the cassette. Wondering if moving to a 2x10 setup will alleviate this.

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    soft propedal on HIFI PRO 2011

    In contrary to test bikes (HIFI PRO 2011) my purchased gary the same type has differently set up the rear suspension. It's equpiped by FOX Float boost RP23. There is propedal very soft, swinging during pedaling, no real difference between open and 1-3 propedal. I shipped to FOX service responding it's set up most sensitive from Trek. Changing to more firm propedal requires swapping plungers costing a lot of money. Any thought why Trek delivers such useless shock? Otherwise I'm satisfied with this bike just still searching the right position of handlebar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chong
    I've not gotten 2 rides in on my 2011 Hifi Pro. For the most part I love the bike, but I'm still learning how to ride it. I've gotten fairly comfortable going down, but climbing is causing me some trouble (got launched OTB yesterday). Not the bike's fault that I don't know how to ride it (this is my first FS bike). My only real gripe is the 3x10 drivetrain rubs on both ends of the cassette. Wondering if moving to a 2x10 setup will alleviate this.
    What would alleviate the issue is proper adjustment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martinbk
    In contrary to test bikes (HIFI PRO 2011) my purchased gary the same type has differently set up the rear suspension. It's equpiped by FOX Float boost RP23. There is propedal very soft, swinging during pedaling, no real difference between open and 1-3 propedal. I shipped to FOX service responding it's set up most sensitive from Trek. Changing to more firm propedal requires swapping plungers costing a lot of money. Any thought why Trek delivers such useless shock? Otherwise I'm satisfied with this bike just still searching the right position of handlebar.
    My 2010 had the same issue. Fox fixed it under warranty. Can't really understand some of your post but mine was fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    My 2010 had the same issue. Fox fixed it under warranty. Can't really understand some of your post but mine was fixed.
    Sorry, my English is not perfect:-) Anyway Fox claims it's not a fault but a type of set up of boost rear shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinbk
    Sorry, my English is not perfect:-) Anyway Fox claims it's not a fault but a type of set up of boost rear shock.
    Maybe. My ProPedal did not work at all so I saw a difference after.
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    I just bought a 2011 deluxe. I have put four hard rides on it here in South Korea. this is my first full susp. bike. I am already noticing drive-train issues... chipped, tweaked cassette and not shifting 100% properly despite adjustments. I have already taken two pretty decent spills. all is good. i really beat the sh*t out of this bike. no big drops, just steep descends with giant roots/tiny drops.

    *question for you guys... how beefy are the stock axles on the hifi? at what point will i need 15mm/12mm axles? thanks

    i like the stable feel of the 29, but i see myself picking up a more aggressive 26 in the future. I am fairly new to mountain bikes, but not bikes in general.

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    3 years on my HiFi 29er plus. I really love the ride, and it's funny how different it feels after a couple of months on my Surly LHT It's not just the suspension, the LHT is pretty cush for a "road" bike, but the position and geometry put you in the hotseat.

    The biggest bummer has been the Juicy 3s, lots of futzing, 2 blown seals, and now a frozen piston. Can't fault Fisher for that, they just weren't very good brakes for a couple of years. I'm switching to BB7s. I've also had to rebuild the rear hub (PITA) and put in a new bottom bracket. The shocks have held up great!

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    I am on a 2011 hifi pro. Came from 99 hoo koo e koo. I love the bike so far. I fly uphill and I am adjusting to smoother downhill with the fs. My rear brake is squeaking a tad but that is because I have been doing more riding than maintenance. I ride in Michigan but plan to move to Denver. I hope I don't regret getting something with more travel. I am more of a up and down fast guy than I am a jump and get that kind if crazy guy. I demoed a stump expert fs, rip 9 with xo build, anthem x1, and an epic comp. It is true what they say, just get tthe one that feels the best and the rest will work out. To me the hifi just handled the best and was the most responsive. They are all great bikes. Now I just need to learn how the damn thing works so I can maximize the ride. I too don't care for the handlebars.

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    Got an XL 2008 HiFi Deluxe in Breaking Blue. I ride single trails, technical terrain with lots of roots and marathons. Very happy with it, but started noticing that the rear frame is flexy. This did not use to be an issue for me (165 lbs), but I have changed style to taller gears in place of just spinning. No big deal, but noticeable when downshifting under power (slight twisting motion), when mashing in tall gears (sideways flex) and in compressions (rear wheel steering). Have been riding Rumblefish II and that made me want one. It is an amazing pacakage, and also much stiffer.

    My bike is in XT-spec apart from custom wheels, XO twisters and XO RD and now weighs 23,8 lbs (10,8kg). No plans to upgrade any further, any performance upgrades have no to be on the rider. If the frame cracks I will probably carry over most parts to the replacement. The 2008 frame is quite light, I wonder if it should have had a weight limit on the rider in the first place. Problem is that people even under 175lbs/80kg have been breaking them, no weight limit is gonna be a replacement for poor engineering. Today's carbon frames weigh 1,8lbs/800g less (2012 Spark 29) and are probably much stronger :-)

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    I have 4 months experience with 2011 HIFI Pro. I replaced handlebar with KCNC SBONE riser 66cm, turned stem upside down, went for carbon Trigon seatpost and WTB Silverado seat. I converted to tubeless with stock rims, Rocket Ron on front and Racing Ralph on rear wheel. I reached weight 28,6 lbs. I had an issue with shock FLOAT RP23, where Pro-pedal was very soft (not much difference between open and pro-pedal). I replaced pistons with less sensitive one and now it works as expected. The bike is much firm and faster at climbing. I'm used to ride rocky and dirty singletrails, it's amazing. However rear derailleur X9-10 speed is quite squemish to mud. Shifter X9-10 speed had also a defect.
    Overall after a couple of improvements with accepting a quite high maintenance I'm satisfied. Just as an example comparing results of my favorite bike marathon (71 mi, 10317ft elevation) the improvement of almost one hour by comparision with 26" hartail of similar weight from last year.

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