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    No good Gary Fisher Roscoe Owners.....

    Hey guys,

    I'm just wondering how many of you have managed to crack your frame?

    After a weekend and a race in Wales i've cleaned the bike to find a crack through the drive-side chainstay, at the front of the furthest forward cable boss, just about where the big chainring ends. The frame it little over a year old.

    The problem is, there is already a little damage on that exact area of the frame due to chain-suck, I don't think it's likely to have contributed to the crack as i've heard of a few frames cracking in this spot before.

    What are people's thoughts on Trek being likely to honour the warranty despite this chain-suck scraping? I won't be back in south England where the frame was purchased for a few weeks so thought i'd find opinions here beforehand.

    And how many people of you have cracked the frame in this area?

    Cheers

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    here's a few pics of the crack...

    EDIT: 3rd and 4th pictures added after second crack was found in undamaged area
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    I don't see anything in those pics that would give Trek a reason to deny your warranty. Do you have one that shows the chain suck damage?

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    Yep, Sorry I should of posted a picture of that really. The majority of the deep scratching was done at once, and the scuffed area does slightly overlap the crack. I've also found another crack in a different area, on one of the welds (see picture) where there is no damage whatsoever..... so I should be ok in thinking they'll be able to replace it no problem despite the other damage.... I hope!

    I'll add the photo's in the first post, as I wont have to upload them to another website first

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    Did you notice any flexing or any other unusual performance issues? Noises? Those cracks look they could have caused some problems. I had my Roscoe (same frame) out today for the first time in months & it chain sucked a couple of times (unusual). I have also had a strange noise from the back of the bike. I'm going to clean it up & check it out. Glad to hear it didn't buckle on you causing a wreck.

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    Nothing performance or noise wise, the bike performed as well as it always did. If anything I'd had less chain suck recently than I had before. Hope there's nothing wrong with your frame.... it seems to be that most fail around the point shown, sometimes snapping rather than cracking.
    The shops sorting it out anyway, apparently it should be a warranty replacement despite the damage.
    As far as the chainsuck goes, do you use a BB with or without spacers? I'm thinking in future of adding one, it should increase the gap between the rings and the frame = less chainsuck damage

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    just curious guys to what causes chain suck? I just bought a roscoe and kinda a newbie and would like to avoid that if at all possible. I've got a few miles on it so far and no problems yet.

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    Yep, my chainstay is cracking just in front of the cable boss-identical to the OP's pic. I had ordered new chainstays awhile back because of the damage from chain slap-my buddy assured me it was nothing to worry about, but I had already pulled the trigger. I hadn't wrapped it with anything so figured it was my bad. If I had, I may have never seen the crack. Damned if you do/Damned if you don't. Quite sure it's the source of the click/squeak noise I'm hearing. Hope to swap it out this week. I also have a noise and vibration coming from the back it seems.Wonder if it's something with the ABP? Perhaps my drive shell is wearing? The back hub spins great and we have tightened down the cassette.
    I have really enjoyed this bike over the Possum it replaced. It handles great and certainly climbs much better than it's predecessor. Hopefully once the new stays are on & it's all torqued back down it will be rock solid again.

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    After breaking the chain stays on my 2008 HiFi+ 3 times in a year, I was upgraded to a 2010 Roscoe frame. It took 1-1/2 years to break the Roscoe (chain stays again). My LBS turned it around in 5 days at no charge, so I can't complain. I love the way the bike rides, but I don't like feeling like I have to be careful all the time.

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    That sounds like great service. Where did the stay fail ? if you don't mind me asking

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    VT possum, glad you only had to wait 5 days. 7 weeks later and my replacement chainstay still isnt even in the country. A call to Trek let me know that it's due to get to the UK on the 10th May. I wonder how long it'll take them to send it the 60 miles from their headquarters to me....
    I dont think chainslap or chainsuck damage would contribute to the chainstay cracking, they seem to crack in this area regardless.

    Im wondering what they'll give me when it snaps again and there's no spare Roscoe parts around.... I've heard theyre re-introducing it for next year, although i'm guessing it'll follow te 29er trend like the rest of fishers bikes
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    Hey Joe, sorry to hear about the long wait. My stays took about a month before they made it to the LBS - I think. We had a communication gap. Unfortunately my history is similar to tduro's in that I have only gotten 12 - 16 months from a frame before it cracks somewhere. Fisher replaced the frame but missing riding time is a real downer. So a 29'er Roscoe? Wonder what that would mean for the Rumblefish? I would like to make the Roscoe a 650B. On the 650B forum someone said it won't work on the rear. Maybe Fisher /Trek could design so it would. Seems like it could be done. Some Stan's Flows, DW Link?....Some Rugged Chainstays lol.

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    I'm sure it'll be worth the wait
    Same here with the time period, it took one year of use. What's your opinion on why they crack there?
    To me It looks as though suspension movement would stress the outer section of the bend on the chainstay more than the inner section where the crack is. It seems as though the only force acting in that area that could fatigue it a sufficient amount to cause damage, would be vertical flex from each side of the rear axle where the abp bearings are- causing twisting in this area of the chainstays.(If i've explained that well enough?) It's a shame that the new 12mm abp axle dosn't look like it'll fit on the Roscoe.

    Here's one of the articles that briefly mentioned a new roscoe, right at the end in capitals. Not sure where else I read about it
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/new-tre...-7-dh-bike-and

    Not sure I think bigger wheels on a bike like this would bring much more to it! Part of the great thing about it is how well it performs in tight twisty singletrack, i've heard bigger wheels make bike's less agile- although i've never ridden a 29er myself

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    Mine broke in the same place as the OP. I was up and running in 7 days, thanks to GF and Trek.

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    Broke my Roscoe frame in exactly the same spot too. I have heard this happened a lot on early production runs b/c the boss was placed poorly and welded with a little too much heat, weakening the chainstay there. The chainstay I was given as a replacement had the boss in a slightly different position, I have put 3x more miles on the new one than than the first one that broke with no issues, fingers crossed...

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    ChainStay Crack aft of cable attach point

    Got a 2009 Roscoe III discovered crack on aft end of cable attachment this weekend before a ride. Have bike at LBS and hoping for prompt replacement. Will keep all posted, missing my bike already!

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    Hi Joe. Well, that`s a busted frame all right. Odd that it broke that way. It should have broken across the flat side, as learned from sport motorbike swing-arms. It takes huge force to get any flex at all on the tall side. The flat side is designed to flex to allow better tracking on rough surface when leaned over. I have to agree that too much heat was used on those stupid guides. Can we order a frame with NO guides? Be nice.
    This all makes one ponder if my `09 Roscoe is on borrowed time. I am 6 ft 2 and 1/8 of a ton with riding gear + camel back and love to charge over everything on my magic GF creation. Oh well, until it breaks, it`s the best mountain bike in history.

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    I've gotta admit, i've heard of a lot breaking there so I wouldnt trust it to last forever!
    Now the shocks broken!
    Oh well. Road riding for a while it looks like

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    Hi All, my Roscoe has decided to crack on me last week whilst riding Les Gets in the French alps. It is a 2009 roscoe one. My LBS has stated that the replacement frame or part will be with me from the US to the UK in 10 to 14 days. id be happy to have the exact part again in Black to match the frame but am concerned that they will give me a random colour that does not match the front half of the frame. Perhaps if they dont have the colour matched part for my bike they will just give me a full frame in the colours that they do have. Any thoughts on this. Has everyone had matching parts or been given a full frame?

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    My LBS seemed to make a big deal about having the colour matched for the new part. Did they ask what colour yours is? I'm sure they'll make sure its the same.

    Slightly off topic, but does everyones Fox Float on their Roscoe have a medium rebound tune and low velocity tune? (says on the side of the shock)
    My shock's leaking from the damper. A service in the UK is £120, I can get a new one from Taiwan for £110 with medium velocity tune instead of low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danjthomas View Post
    Hi All, my Roscoe has decided to crack on me last week whilst riding Les Gets in the French alps. It is a 2009 roscoe one. My LBS has stated that the replacement frame or part will be with me from the US to the UK in 10 to 14 days. id be happy to have the exact part again in Black to match the frame but am concerned that they will give me a random colour that does not match the front half of the frame. Perhaps if they dont have the colour matched part for my bike they will just give me a full frame in the colours that they do have. Any thoughts on this. Has everyone had matching parts or been given a full frame?
    Sorry to hear about your frame! I have a 2009 Roscoe II on which I broke the chainstay. It is a silver frame, yet I was given a chainstay from the 2010 lineup which is black. I would put in a request immediately to get one that is the same color, which I'm sure doesn't guarantee that you will, but it wouldn't hurt to ask!
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    Good News! maybe!

    My 2009 White Roscoe III cracked as well (see blueline post above). Brought bike to LBS (where I bought bike) they got with their Trek Dealer and I got a UGLY Blue, Silver 2010 swing arm. Not happy after spending that much for the bike. Well, I live between 2 places (states) and brought cracked bike with me as I waited for parts to be shipped in.

    Went to the LBS I have gotten it serviced in another state. They got and installed a far more acceptable color (the same color swing arm as your picture).

    The Trek Reps (on-line contact only), responded to me via several emails and while they don't offer paint they went out of their way to ensure I was as happy as could be. So bottom line keep asking and who knows what it will get you. BTW, getting used to my WHITE and black bike!

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    Ok already!

    Thank you for discussing our fragile frames to death. Can we move on?
    Who thinks the off-set spoke design is very cool? I don`t see other companies trying this. Why not? Seems like a good solution.
    It sure is hard to find a place for the rear wheel quick-release. It wants to stick out and grab branches, or stick down and whack rocks. Ideas?
    With Nevegals mounted the grip is amazing. No wonder the front refuses to slide out tho, just try to hop the front wheel over a surprise rock on your path. Nope, you just bashed it. The weight bias is way forward. This might be an easy fix with a inch more pull-back on the bars, along with sliding the seat rearward. God the thing rips. Even chased my kid thru a bramble patch that he easily ducked. Yeah I know now; don`t ever try to show hard riding kids how good you are. It hurts way to much.

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    Another one down...

    I just found the same has happened to my Roscoe 3!!! The claim has been filed... crossing my fingers that this will be addressed soon. I've only had this frame 1.5 seasons but this bike is sweet, so I really hope they can simply ship out a new chainstay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADMtnBiker View Post
    I just found the same has happened to my Roscoe 3!!! The claim has been filed... crossing my fingers that this will be addressed soon. I've only had this frame 1.5 seasons but this bike is sweet, so I really hope they can simply ship out a new chainstay.
    Bad luck.

    Does anyone know if the new part comes with a 2 year warranty, or if it is only covered by the 2 year warranty from the date of purchase?

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    Nevermind! I thought the rear triangle only had a 2 year warranty, but just checked the fisher website and it seems to be covered for life! Woop

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    So if you bought a fisher bike BEFORE they got rid of their lifetime warranty, will the new chainstay or frame be covered for life, or 2 years?

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    damn, that is a serious crack. I am crying for you...

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    It returns in 2013 as a 29er. Beware!

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    Dang it, i'm about to buy a 2009 Gary Fisher Roscoe 1 off of Craigs list , i'm guessing the warranty would not transfer :/

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    Nope, it wouldnt.

    Managed to break mine again, the chainstay is bent rather than cracked.

    Seems to have buckled sideways, as a result the cranks won't turn without hitting the chainstay. Seems pretty odd!

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    New Roscoe owner

    Just picked up a new leftover 2010 Roscoe 1 for $1,500 for my son. I'm thinking that's a pretty darn good deal for this bike? (shop has 1 left in 17.5 size and also a 2010 Roscoe 3 15" but local pickup only in MA)

    Anyway, besides the cracking problem on the swingarm (bike has full warranty so that's good) what other issues or things should I be checking or watching out for on this bike? Any special hardware to be closely watching?

    I'm removing the outer ring for a bash guard and was wondering about the XDX 2.4 tires. Are these any good and worth wearing out (New England rocks and roots) or should they be replaced with something more conditions appropriate? They look heavy? I'm a fan of the Duster wheels but how is the tension from the factory? How's that Shimano rear hub hold up?

    Any advice appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Just picked up a new leftover 2010 Roscoe 1 for $1,500 for my son. I'm thinking that's a pretty darn good deal for this bike? (shop has 1 left in 17.5 size and also a 2010 Roscoe 3 15" but local pickup only in MA)

    Anyway, besides the cracking problem on the swingarm (bike has full warranty so that's good) what other issues or things should I be checking or watching out for on this bike? Any special hardware to be closely watching?

    I'm removing the outer ring for a bash guard and was wondering about the XDX 2.4 tires. Are these any good and worth wearing out (New England rocks and roots) or should they be replaced with something more conditions appropriate? They look heavy? I'm a fan of the Duster wheels but how is the tension from the factory? How's that Shimano rear hub hold up?

    Any advice appreciated!
    I found the lower shock eyelet bushing developed play fairly quickly, replaced with heavy duty mount hardware from betd-cycles and no problems since. Frame bearings are JNK if i remember right... pretty cheap and mine get crunchy fairly quickly after wet UK winter riding. In short- just routine maintenence!
    Rode mine for the first time in ages (bought a hardtail) for a dh race yesterday, forgot how smooth it is! I'd prefer a slacker head angle though

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    Not a bad deal at all. As you mentioned swingarm (chainstay) problem's, I am on my 3'rd one. If it breaks again, I'm doubtful there will be any left over to replace at which point they'll probably have to replace the whole frame... Keep an eye on the suspension linkage bearings, bushings, and hardware - I've had issues with them all.

    I would say the XDX tires are worth wearing out. They performed reasonably well for me in the dry, dusty, rocky conditions typical to Colorado's front range, but I did not like them enough to ever buy more of them either.

    The rear hub is ok, but if I were you I would go ahead and buy a spare freehub body to keep in the parts bin. I don't know how much time your son is going to be spending on the bike, but I have replaced mine every season since I've owned the bike as they do fail, and it's a drag waiting for it to arrive at your shop if they don't have one in stock... Much better to already have it on hand. Easy $20 fix though!

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    Thanks for the info gents. Sounds like the usual linkage stuff to keep on top of and check the swingarm area after every ride. Will also pickup a freehub body since I assume I can't throw just any wheel on the back with the ABP setup?

    Oh, is that freehub something special for the Trek ABP or a standard Shimano M525SL I can order aftermarket?

    Just a great looking bike with good reviews but I think Fisher overpriced them so they didn't sell very well? My son saw one at a shop when it was $2K, loved it, and I said not happening and dealer wouldn't budge on price. When this popped up for $1,500 I had to grab it. He'll be pumped to get it I'm sure.
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    Trek will tell you that the freehub is something special (and overpriced) but it is not - it's just a re-labeled shimano part. I can't remember the specific part# but mechanic at my shop knew exactly what it was and ordered a couple for me, they were about $20 each.

    I'm not sure it was overpriced more so than anything else in Trek's lineup, though I feel like it didn't necessarily have any strong points over the Fuel or Remedy. I bought mine because I got a sweet end of the year deal on it, and really thought it performed well when I demoed it. If it weren't for the sweet deal I got and I was still set on buying a Trek, I probably would have gone with the Remedy.

    I still love the bike when it's in working order, though after multiple chainstay failures and linkage headaches, I hesitate to really push it sometimes.

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    You can use any standard QR 135mm back wheel. The dropouts are the same as any other Quick Release frame, the ABP just requires a longer squewer (the one on the bike) as the bearings from the ABP make the whole setup wider than a normal QR would be able to clamp

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    That is correct - the ABP pivot mechanism is contained outside of the standard 135mm dropouts.

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    Great info, thanks again guys!!
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    I am considering purchasing a second hand 2010 Gary Fisher Roscoe III but I am getting anxious with all your reports of broken frame...

    Quote Originally Posted by MTBiker483 View Post
    Broke my Roscoe frame in exactly the same spot too. I have heard this happened a lot on early production runs b/c the boss was placed poorly and welded with a little too much heat, weakening the chainstay there. The chainstay I was given as a replacement had the boss in a slightly different position, I have put 3x more miles on the new one than than the first one that broke with no issues, fingers crossed...
    Is looks like the 2009 models are quite problematic? Are the 2010 frames better? Would you mind posting a picture of a revised, more robust chainstay?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Bomb View Post
    I am considering purchasing a second hand 2010 Gary Fisher Roscoe III but I am getting anxious with all your reports of broken frame...



    Is looks like the 2009 models are quite problematic? Are the 2010 frames better? Would you mind posting a picture of a revised, more robust chainstay?

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    The chainstay is exactly the same - the only difference is that the forward most cable boss is welded on in a slightly different location. The earlier models broke because that boss was welded on with too much heat on a spot where the chainstay is already subject to a lot of stress, causing them to fail there.

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    I'm in exactly the same situation as F-bomb, though I'm not sure if it is a 2009 or 2010 (it was bought on clearance in late 2010 so it coult be either). Hearing all these stories of breakage is getting me a bit worried now. I'm coming from a 120mm travel XC/Trail bike that I have bashed and smashed for 2 years and never seen a hint of a crack or bend.

    Also, the bike I'm looking at has an issue where the shock linkage bolt is sticking out a bit and is rubbing on the seatstay linkage arm, resulting in a bit of metal being gouged out. Anyone else seen this problem? The seller is going back to the LBS to try and get it warrantied based on poor build by the LBS, though I suspect that they might call "poor maintenance" on his behalf.

    Tough call, do I buy an as-new Roscoe 2 (seller said it was an impulse buy and has sat in the shed most of its life, I believe him as it rides and presents like a brand new bike) for $1500 but with no warranty and a fair risk of frame breakage, or do I spend $3000 on a Remedy 8 and have the comfort of a full warranty, DRCV fork, extra 10mm travel, thru-axle rear etc.

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    My recommendation is to talk to the owner about the issue and see if he is willing to give you a significant discount on the bike to take this likely issue into account. If he is not willing to do so, don't buy; there are many other good used bikes around.

    Personally, I ended up purchasing a second-hand 2011 Avanti Torrent 3 and I am happy.

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    Just bought a used 2009 Roscoe 1....so far so good, no visible cracking, but I did get it for a very good price. I figure it's like a used car - you can get more car for your money, but the trade-off is you probably have more costs on the maintenance side.

    Question: are there still spare parts for the Roscoes sitting in Trek's inventory?

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    I'm of the same opinion. I also just bought the Roscoe I had been looking at, though mine came with a brand new 2010 frame with a 2012 RP23 with Boost Valve. Given that the 09 Roscoe 2 I bought was replaced by a 2010 Roscoe 3 frame with a 2012 shock, I would say that the spare parts inventory is pretty thin (not that it really matters that much, warranty does not carry to a second owner). At less than half the price of the equivalent Remedy, if it breaks I could part it out and probably still break even.

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    Crap, well guys, I think i'm in the club now

    yes, im slightly pissed, ughhhhhh, anyways stay away from the 2009 gary fishers, i'll see how the warranty goes, but dangggg O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrettank View Post
    Crap, well guys, I think i'm in the club now

    yes, im slightly pissed, ughhhhhh, anyways stay away from the 2009 gary fishers, i'll see how the warranty goes, but dangggg O.o
    As long as you are the warranty holder, you will be taken care of. If there are no more Roscoe chainstays in the inventory you will likely be offered a Fuel or Remedy. Even though Trek no longer offers lifetime warranties on those bikes - you should be grandfathered in since you purchased a lifetime warranty with your bike. Let us know how things progress!

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    The area where cable housing guides/bosses are placed on thin walled tubes is very critical. This along with the fact that the right side chainstay (drive side) is more heavily loaded than the left due to pedaling forces makes this type of cracking relatively common within companies who don't have effective frame testing apparatus' that account for driveside pedal loading. One Taiwanese guy I work with describes welded guides/bosses as "putting can opener on belly of whale". An apt analogy. Anyhow, I don't think high weld temps would be the culprit with alumunum since the weld looks good in your pics i.e. no divots or thin spots where the aluminum moved away from where you want it. It looks to me that what you have here is a part of a frame that wasn't properly designed/tested and has subsequently been redesigned to move the boss away from the highly loaded part of the tube. I'm also guessing that once the first crack started, the chainstay began flexing more and so the next "weakest" area became overloaded and another crack started. I have broken a lot of right side chainstays in the last 40 years.
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    Yeah, I remember when I got the bike, I was told, "don't worry we never have issues with the 2009's, there indestructible", well, yeah......, I mean, the bike is still my favorite the handling is amazing O.o. But yeah I took it to the local bike shop, they took some pics, sent it into trek, there like "Ouch :O, its common but still, doesn't look to fun". Now i'm waiting on a reply from trek, and i'm now running my dads DH Gary Fisher, King Fisher 2 for XC rides xD, quite painful haha.

    But yeah, the crack is right where the hose guide is welded on, so if they send me the same faulty part, I might be a little mad, but, we will see

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    Let us know if they're going to replace the part or give you a new frame! I'd like to go for a remedy next time mine goes, but we'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joehspicer@msn.com View Post
    Let us know if they're going to replace the part or give you a new frame! I'd like to go for a remedy next time mine goes, but we'll see!
    Well I know they still have Roscoe 3 frames around for warranty as I was offered this or a Trek EX9 frame for a broken 2008 Hi Fi. Not sure on just the rear triangle.
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    So...Since Trek changed there warranty policy this raises a question.

    When Trek runs through their ware house of Roscoe swing arms and converts us all to Fuels/Remedies will this effectively void our life time warranties?

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    This same thing happened to me during BC Bike Race 2010. Mine was also an '09, which replaced a HiFi from '07 which had done the same thing (x2)... the idea being that the Roscoe was burlier. Not totally true. I now have been riding on a black replacement chainstay which knock on wood will continue to hold up. I still love riding the bike, and don't want to go through the warranty dance again after doing that each of the '08-'10 seasons.
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    09 Roscoe III issues

    All, just lost my second freehub in a year, first one they replace as warranty hoping they do it again, but has anyone else had issues and a solution?
    Riding black lower arm as well and it seems to be holding up. Still love the BIKE!

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    roscoes issues

    Hey there,yes im new.since were talking about roscoe problems,let me explain mine.I received an 09 roscoe 3 frame as a replacement for my 06 fat possum xt(LOVED that bike).within a year a piece of the rocker link just flaked off so everthing became loose. I gave my original receipt up when i recived the new frameset,so no proof for warrenty. No big deal i called a trek dealer and bought one over the phone. Well a year later same thing.then lbs tells me its a discontinued bike ajd thy cant get another one.. i heard there was a casting prob with these links. This was late 2010. Trek wont replace it. So what am i to do?? I know i didnt pa y for compete bike but how can they sell a 5000 dollar hoss that you cant get parts for 1.5 years later?? So long story short ,has anyone else had a prb with the shock link or does anyone have a suggestion as to what to do)? Bike has been sitting since early 11'

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    Quote Originally Posted by cscmtb View Post
    Hey there,yes im new.since were talking about roscoe problems,let me explain mine.I received an 09 roscoe 3 frame as a replacement for my 06 fat possum xt(LOVED that bike).within a year a piece of the rocker link just flaked off so everthing became loose. I gave my original receipt up when i recived the new frameset,so no proof for warrenty. No big deal i called a trek dealer and bought one over the phone. Well a year later same thing.then lbs tells me its a discontinued bike ajd thy cant get another one.. i heard there was a casting prob with these links. This was late 2010. Trek wont replace it. So what am i to do?? I know i didnt pa y for compete bike but how can they sell a 5000 dollar hoss that you cant get parts for 1.5 years later?? So long story short ,has anyone else had a prb with the shock link or does anyone have a suggestion as to what to do)? Bike has been sitting since early 11'
    What do you mean a piece flaked off? Is it just cosmetic or functional? I have had an issue with my rocker- but that was as a result from the chainstay bending (on a standard trail descent in afan) which in turn bent the rocker, it seemed to ruin the screw thread where the lower shock eyelet joins.
    Do you have any pictures?

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    Sorry,no photos. But basically on the rocker were the head of the shock bolt is recessed to be flush ,as you look at the head,from 6 -9 oclock about half the thickness of the material was gone and the bolt would no longer torque down.she was only a year old.. Im considering asking a machine shop to build something that works. I just thought trek would help me out .

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    Hi all.
    I hate to post my first link with a problem as I love my 2009 roscoe 2. However, while at the top of a trail on my first day in Lake Garda, we detected the dreaded crack in the chain stay. It meant returning with the mini bus, losing a day's riding and having to hire another bike for our remaining days (A very nice Scott Genius). I had to return the bike to our local dealer, not the dealer where the bike was brought from. So... not only will I have a chain stay that does not match the original bike, but have to pay for the labour to have it replaced! Still, cheaper than buying a new bike, and I do love the bike. Anyone any idea of the colour that I'm likely to receive???

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    Quote Originally Posted by skisteve View Post
    Hi all.
    I hate to post my first link with a problem as I love my 2009 roscoe 2. However, while at the top of a trail on my first day in Lake Garda, we detected the dreaded crack in the chain stay. It meant returning with the mini bus, losing a day's riding and having to hire another bike for our remaining days (A very nice Scott Genius). I had to return the bike to our local dealer, not the dealer where the bike was brought from. So... not only will I have a chain stay that does not match the original bike, but have to pay for the labour to have it replaced! Still, cheaper than buying a new bike, and I do love the bike. Anyone any idea of the colour that I'm likely to receive???
    You might get lucky- both of my replacements have been the same colour as my frame (blue/silver).
    You can fit it yourself to save on some labor, all you need is an adjustable wrench and an allen key (for the main pivot bolt). It's a pretty simple job, and dosnt take long!

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    Thanks for that Joe.
    I hope it is the same col, not the end of the world if it isn't. I can fit it myself, it was just I felt a bit let down by Trek by their attitude when there is obviously a flaw in their design and seemingly want as little as possible to do with it. Will keep informed on outcome.
    Still.. great bike!

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    I just broke my third swing arm. I've broken this bike 4 times in 3 years, what a piece of crap. This time I had to walk 6 miles off of The Whole Enchilda in Moab before I could hitch a ride back to town and killing my riding plans for the rest of my vacation. Trek had four swing arms left in the factory so they repared my bike which sucks because the swing arm is identical to the last three that broke so this one will also break. Trek offered me a second option of $1000 off a frame of my choice. To me this is a bill for at least $800 to pay for a matching fork for a Fuel/Remedy/Slash. Another problem is that the rest of the frame feels very loose so the bike handles poorly regardless of a new chainstay and it is hard to trust a bike that will fail again.

    It also looks like Trek is not going to honor the lifetime warranty going forward with replacment frames after they run out of Roscoe parts. The lifetime warranty was a big reason for me purchasing this bike over my other choices, take the lifetime warranty away and I regret every buying a Roscoe. Shame on Trek for using the customer to beta test a poorly designed bike that should have been recalled and I feel is unsafe

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    Can see why you're pee'd off and have the greatest of sympathy. You need to trust your bike and believe it will keep you safe. My swing arm has been replaced but is the wrong colour, (blue?). It doesn't look bad but I am a more concerned that this seems to be happening on a regular basis to others, and how many has it happened to who haven't kept their proof of purchase or have bought second hand??? It isn't the first time that Trek have had problems with their frames. My mate's Fuel 8 had a similar problem but near the rear axel on the brake side. We knew of several that broke and Trek replaced with upgraded part. I still love my bike, but now will check on a regular basis!!!

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    They did color match the chainstay for me, painted it from blue to black. This will make it easier to sell this POS to some poor sucker.

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    Personally i will never even consider buyin a trek/ fisher again. They should just stay away from full suspension altogether. Seems they can bulid a roscoe that will hold up to win slopestyle contest,but cant bulid a production model that will handle all mountain riding. Two thumbs DOWN!

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    I have to say that I have not experienced any of these issues with my Roscoe but it was a 2010 model perhaps that is the difference?
    I've done some pretty horrible stuff to mine including a fair bit of DH work without any issues. Perhaps the issue is related to chain suck or debris marking the chain stays which creates a stress raiser, hence the cracking? After reading this I will certainly inspect for damage and apply helicopter tape, I love my Roscoe even if it is a tractor.

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    Well hopefully the 2010's might be better? I picked up a new leftover Roscoe 1 for my son this past spring for $1500. Had to grab it at that price and promptly registered it with Trek. I will hold onto my proof of purchase for dear life. Sadly he's only had it out 3 times so at that rate probably no reason to worry about breakage. I'll be keeping a very close watch on everything.

    Really sharp looking bike I gotta admit and if it was my size I'd be out riding it.
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    Hey folks. im new to this forum. I bought a roscoe 3 about 1 1/2 years ago. i bought it used and i viewed all the forums before purchasing. Cross fingers mine has been ok so far, but with all these other peeps frames going wrong i hope if mine does go wrong there will be a part available! i have got the receipt from the original purchaser but not sure how much use that would be. On another note, can anyone tell me how to remove my RP23 rear shock from the frame as i need to service it.. just had to shell out £380 to get my RP24 TALAS forks rebuilt!!

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    Well i never thoght it would happen, but i noticed a crack in the frame just in the exact same place as everyone else's, just on the chainstay at the cable guide. its only a couple of mm's and not actually gone yet. Whats the chances of any swingarms being left?!!

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    Only way to find out is checking with a dealer or contacting trek directly. I shelled out 165'ish bucks for mine last year. I ordered one because chain slap had been doing a # on the stay. In the interim, I saw the OP's thread and there it was, the crack. I have also had to replace the link for the rear suspension - 120'ish bucks. Had it out today in the snow with studded tires and it was performing well. I think they either have the parts, or can have them made. They had sourced out a machine shop in Wis. to make a batch of links (mine was one of them).

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    Yeh i went to my LBS today and because im not the original owner there not honouring any warranty.. . They said they were going to get in touch with trek/fisher and let me know if they can source any. Think im in the same boat with regards to the link for the rear suspension..noticed play in it.. is that the main link just next to the crank with the 'huge' nut?

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    not sure how wrench savvy you are - I'm not, but have friends who have tools that are. Since you bought it used, maybe you should think about having the LBS or someone go through and check torque on all the pivots etc. Mine will loosen some occasionally. I was referring to the link which connects the shock to the upper part of the rear triangle (seat stays). I have had the small bolt at the bottom of the shock loosen up. Be careful about over tightening that one, it is a lower torque than the rest of the pivots.

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    Yeh ive had to replace 2 of the shock mount bolts..seems like everythings just giving up at the same time! really hope they can source me a chainstay as its such an awesome bike when it gets hooked up..

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    I got a new suspension rocker under warranty- the thread on it where the lower part of the shock mounts got ruined. Trek replaced it for free (wasnt expecting that, as the bike shop said it was from user error- maybe... maybe not) but I think it may have got damaged when I bent the chainstay (have snapped one and bent one + the threaded rocker).
    I wouldnt be expecting them to be making any more chainstays- last I heard (from the shop who warrantied the rocker) was that they only had 6 or so spare chainstays left. I'm not sure how accurate that info is though...

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    Good luck to you on your quest for a new chainstay. Please post up either way. I hope mine makes it through the upcoming season. The price of new bikes is scary. All this reminds me I should go flip the bike over and take a good look at that chainstay...........

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    hey folks,Removing the chainstay today, but cant fathom out how to remove the main pivot bolt just near the crank, has anyone done this?

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    anyone?

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    sorry turbo, I had the LBS do the wrenching. Good Luck

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    There is the main bolt that threads through from the driveside, and a nut on the non-drive side.
    The main bolt undoes from the nut with an allen key (8mm if i remember). The nut should only have two flat spots, so grab onto those witha spanner.
    The Part the allen key goes into isnt on the "head"/wider bit of the bolt like a normal bolt, it's on the non-drive side, at the end of the bolt, if that makes sense. So you undo the bolt from the same side as the spanner is on, on the non-drive side. And because it's on the other side, turn the allen key clockwise rather than anticlockwise with the spanner kept still. I needed to take my cranks off as well, the main pivot bolt wouldnt come out without hitting my chainring.

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    Not a roscoe but same principle on this picture

    http://spokemagazine.com/files/2009/06/wattscoe.jpg

    allen key goes into the hollow bolt on the same side as the nut

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    Cheers for help and advice folks. got it off. seems my frame is cracked.. no warranty and none left at trek'fisher so ive spied a frame i might buy. Does anyone know the head angle and seat angle of the roscoe and the bottom bracket size as i found it nearly spot on and hoping my new venture is similar..
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    Sorry to hear about your frame turbo. I tried to google up a geometry chart, but didn't see one.

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    yeh ive spent hours googling it but cant see any information anywhere..

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    Geometry chart for the Roscoe

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    Ideal skidad.. mucho appreciated! Head angle and seat angle are the same as the yeti im going for

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    I am hoping to convert a roscoe to a 650b wheel? Has onyone done it? Or tried it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jborges View Post
    I am hoping to convert a roscoe to a 650b wheel? Has onyone done it? Or tried it?
    Pretty sure someone did it in the 650B forum. It will fit fine (my son has one and I tested the best I could with a non ABP wheel) and the only issue might be seat post contact with big volume 650 tires. If you have a Fox 26" fork plenty of 650B tires will clear the bottom of the crown at bottom out but the bigger ones will hit and drag. The tallest 650B tire is the Schwalbe Nobby Nick 2.35" and I tested this on my sons Roscoe Float 140 and it clears the arch fine by about 3mm but hits the bottom of the crown. With some force I could still roll the bike but a 5mm internal spacer would be recommended. A Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 works fine and I've been using that on my converted Prophet with a Talas 140.
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    Just want to be sure that is going to work becuase do not want to waste my money. Becuase I live in PR and shipping the wheels back is expensive becuase no lbs here stocks 65b wheels or tires.

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    Planning to upgrade my 2009 Roscoe 1 with a new set of wheels, but i just cant' fint out what size my rear axle is I'm guessing it is a standard standard 9x135, can anyone confirm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krogan View Post
    Planning to upgrade my 2009 Roscoe 1 with a new set of wheels, but i just cant' fint out what size my rear axle is I'm guessing it is a standard standard 9x135, can anyone confirm?
    You are correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00XJCO View Post
    You are correct
    I'm sorry, i meant 10x135QR. Is that the same thing?

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    To be totally accurate, no. Actually they are all 10mm in the rear, 9mm is front only (9x100mm) but people erroneously refer to both as 9mm so often that I overlooked it. So what you need is a 10x135mm hub for the rear, and assuming you still have the factory fork, 15x100mm front. You'll sometimes see rear hubs advertised as 9x135, but it's just an error, as they are actually 10x135mm. Hope that clarifies it!

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    I see. As if this wasn't confusing enough to begin with. So when referring to "Standard QR Rear Hub" the standard is 10x135mm?

    In other words; will theese wheels fit my Roscoe? SPANK Bike's website/tools for superheroes

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    Unless I'm overlooking something in the specs, it looks like that wheelset you linked is only available as a 12x142 rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00XJCO View Post
    Unless I'm overlooking something in the specs, it looks like that wheelset you linked is only available as a 12x142 rear?
    I guess you overlooked this; "Standard QR Rear Hub Adapter Kit Incl."

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    Well, I did see that, but it's listed under 'Front', not rear.

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    Jeeze nevermind, I should get my eyes checked - I see it listed under rear too. You should be good to go!

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    Haha, I guess. Thanks.

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    I have 2009 Roscoe 2 and need to replace the headset does anyone now the specs that i need to look for? Thanks for the help

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    Anyone else having problems with 2010 frames? My 2010 Roscoe II has developed a creak, but I can't find a crack.

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    My 2010 Roscoe frame has just cracked (on the drive side chain stay and on the bar connecting the two chain stays). Trek have been reasonable with respect to the warranty. They offered me a new 26" remedy frame or a discount off a new bike from their current range. I guess they are all out of replacement chain stays.

    I see from previous posts on this site I am not the first to crack the chain stay, but I am not convinced this is a problem unique to the Roscoe as I have also broken my 2005 Specialized Enduro chain stay (Specialized replaced the chain stay under warranty). Admittedly I got a lot more use from the Roscoe than some who posted. If it had broken in the first year of riding I expect I would be singing a different song.

    I am sorry to retire the bike. I got to ride it on a lot of great trails in England, Wales, Utah and Colorado and have a lot of good memories from my time on the bike. It had a great agile feel and was at its best on twisty, fast, singletrack. It never felt as capable in the rocks as the enduro and was less composed, but felt way quicker and more fun on less aggressive trails.

    RIP - A great bike

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    FYI if anyone still see's this, my roscoe just broke again (4th time), Trek are replacing it with a 2015 remedy 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by joehspicer@msn.com View Post
    FYI if anyone still see's this, my roscoe just broke again (4th time), Trek are replacing it with a 2015 remedy 9
    I just dropped my 2010 Roscoe III off at LBS for warranty review. Cracked chain stay. Are they replacing just your frame? How are they handling the wheel size difference for you?

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