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    damn, that is a serious crack. I am crying for you...

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    It returns in 2013 as a 29er. Beware!

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    Dang it, i'm about to buy a 2009 Gary Fisher Roscoe 1 off of Craigs list , i'm guessing the warranty would not transfer :/

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    Nope, it wouldnt.

    Managed to break mine again, the chainstay is bent rather than cracked.

    Seems to have buckled sideways, as a result the cranks won't turn without hitting the chainstay. Seems pretty odd!

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    New Roscoe owner

    Just picked up a new leftover 2010 Roscoe 1 for $1,500 for my son. I'm thinking that's a pretty darn good deal for this bike? (shop has 1 left in 17.5 size and also a 2010 Roscoe 3 15" but local pickup only in MA)

    Anyway, besides the cracking problem on the swingarm (bike has full warranty so that's good) what other issues or things should I be checking or watching out for on this bike? Any special hardware to be closely watching?

    I'm removing the outer ring for a bash guard and was wondering about the XDX 2.4 tires. Are these any good and worth wearing out (New England rocks and roots) or should they be replaced with something more conditions appropriate? They look heavy? I'm a fan of the Duster wheels but how is the tension from the factory? How's that Shimano rear hub hold up?

    Any advice appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Just picked up a new leftover 2010 Roscoe 1 for $1,500 for my son. I'm thinking that's a pretty darn good deal for this bike? (shop has 1 left in 17.5 size and also a 2010 Roscoe 3 15" but local pickup only in MA)

    Anyway, besides the cracking problem on the swingarm (bike has full warranty so that's good) what other issues or things should I be checking or watching out for on this bike? Any special hardware to be closely watching?

    I'm removing the outer ring for a bash guard and was wondering about the XDX 2.4 tires. Are these any good and worth wearing out (New England rocks and roots) or should they be replaced with something more conditions appropriate? They look heavy? I'm a fan of the Duster wheels but how is the tension from the factory? How's that Shimano rear hub hold up?

    Any advice appreciated!
    I found the lower shock eyelet bushing developed play fairly quickly, replaced with heavy duty mount hardware from betd-cycles and no problems since. Frame bearings are JNK if i remember right... pretty cheap and mine get crunchy fairly quickly after wet UK winter riding. In short- just routine maintenence!
    Rode mine for the first time in ages (bought a hardtail) for a dh race yesterday, forgot how smooth it is! I'd prefer a slacker head angle though

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    Not a bad deal at all. As you mentioned swingarm (chainstay) problem's, I am on my 3'rd one. If it breaks again, I'm doubtful there will be any left over to replace at which point they'll probably have to replace the whole frame... Keep an eye on the suspension linkage bearings, bushings, and hardware - I've had issues with them all.

    I would say the XDX tires are worth wearing out. They performed reasonably well for me in the dry, dusty, rocky conditions typical to Colorado's front range, but I did not like them enough to ever buy more of them either.

    The rear hub is ok, but if I were you I would go ahead and buy a spare freehub body to keep in the parts bin. I don't know how much time your son is going to be spending on the bike, but I have replaced mine every season since I've owned the bike as they do fail, and it's a drag waiting for it to arrive at your shop if they don't have one in stock... Much better to already have it on hand. Easy $20 fix though!

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    Thanks for the info gents. Sounds like the usual linkage stuff to keep on top of and check the swingarm area after every ride. Will also pickup a freehub body since I assume I can't throw just any wheel on the back with the ABP setup?

    Oh, is that freehub something special for the Trek ABP or a standard Shimano M525SL I can order aftermarket?

    Just a great looking bike with good reviews but I think Fisher overpriced them so they didn't sell very well? My son saw one at a shop when it was $2K, loved it, and I said not happening and dealer wouldn't budge on price. When this popped up for $1,500 I had to grab it. He'll be pumped to get it I'm sure.
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    Trek will tell you that the freehub is something special (and overpriced) but it is not - it's just a re-labeled shimano part. I can't remember the specific part# but mechanic at my shop knew exactly what it was and ordered a couple for me, they were about $20 each.

    I'm not sure it was overpriced more so than anything else in Trek's lineup, though I feel like it didn't necessarily have any strong points over the Fuel or Remedy. I bought mine because I got a sweet end of the year deal on it, and really thought it performed well when I demoed it. If it weren't for the sweet deal I got and I was still set on buying a Trek, I probably would have gone with the Remedy.

    I still love the bike when it's in working order, though after multiple chainstay failures and linkage headaches, I hesitate to really push it sometimes.

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    You can use any standard QR 135mm back wheel. The dropouts are the same as any other Quick Release frame, the ABP just requires a longer squewer (the one on the bike) as the bearings from the ABP make the whole setup wider than a normal QR would be able to clamp

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    That is correct - the ABP pivot mechanism is contained outside of the standard 135mm dropouts.

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    Great info, thanks again guys!!
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    I am considering purchasing a second hand 2010 Gary Fisher Roscoe III but I am getting anxious with all your reports of broken frame...

    Quote Originally Posted by MTBiker483 View Post
    Broke my Roscoe frame in exactly the same spot too. I have heard this happened a lot on early production runs b/c the boss was placed poorly and welded with a little too much heat, weakening the chainstay there. The chainstay I was given as a replacement had the boss in a slightly different position, I have put 3x more miles on the new one than than the first one that broke with no issues, fingers crossed...
    Is looks like the 2009 models are quite problematic? Are the 2010 frames better? Would you mind posting a picture of a revised, more robust chainstay?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Bomb View Post
    I am considering purchasing a second hand 2010 Gary Fisher Roscoe III but I am getting anxious with all your reports of broken frame...



    Is looks like the 2009 models are quite problematic? Are the 2010 frames better? Would you mind posting a picture of a revised, more robust chainstay?

    Cheers
    The chainstay is exactly the same - the only difference is that the forward most cable boss is welded on in a slightly different location. The earlier models broke because that boss was welded on with too much heat on a spot where the chainstay is already subject to a lot of stress, causing them to fail there.

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    I'm in exactly the same situation as F-bomb, though I'm not sure if it is a 2009 or 2010 (it was bought on clearance in late 2010 so it coult be either). Hearing all these stories of breakage is getting me a bit worried now. I'm coming from a 120mm travel XC/Trail bike that I have bashed and smashed for 2 years and never seen a hint of a crack or bend.

    Also, the bike I'm looking at has an issue where the shock linkage bolt is sticking out a bit and is rubbing on the seatstay linkage arm, resulting in a bit of metal being gouged out. Anyone else seen this problem? The seller is going back to the LBS to try and get it warrantied based on poor build by the LBS, though I suspect that they might call "poor maintenance" on his behalf.

    Tough call, do I buy an as-new Roscoe 2 (seller said it was an impulse buy and has sat in the shed most of its life, I believe him as it rides and presents like a brand new bike) for $1500 but with no warranty and a fair risk of frame breakage, or do I spend $3000 on a Remedy 8 and have the comfort of a full warranty, DRCV fork, extra 10mm travel, thru-axle rear etc.

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    My recommendation is to talk to the owner about the issue and see if he is willing to give you a significant discount on the bike to take this likely issue into account. If he is not willing to do so, don't buy; there are many other good used bikes around.

    Personally, I ended up purchasing a second-hand 2011 Avanti Torrent 3 and I am happy.

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    Just bought a used 2009 Roscoe 1....so far so good, no visible cracking, but I did get it for a very good price. I figure it's like a used car - you can get more car for your money, but the trade-off is you probably have more costs on the maintenance side.

    Question: are there still spare parts for the Roscoes sitting in Trek's inventory?

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    I'm of the same opinion. I also just bought the Roscoe I had been looking at, though mine came with a brand new 2010 frame with a 2012 RP23 with Boost Valve. Given that the 09 Roscoe 2 I bought was replaced by a 2010 Roscoe 3 frame with a 2012 shock, I would say that the spare parts inventory is pretty thin (not that it really matters that much, warranty does not carry to a second owner). At less than half the price of the equivalent Remedy, if it breaks I could part it out and probably still break even.

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    Crap, well guys, I think i'm in the club now

    yes, im slightly pissed, ughhhhhh, anyways stay away from the 2009 gary fishers, i'll see how the warranty goes, but dangggg O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrettank View Post
    Crap, well guys, I think i'm in the club now

    yes, im slightly pissed, ughhhhhh, anyways stay away from the 2009 gary fishers, i'll see how the warranty goes, but dangggg O.o
    As long as you are the warranty holder, you will be taken care of. If there are no more Roscoe chainstays in the inventory you will likely be offered a Fuel or Remedy. Even though Trek no longer offers lifetime warranties on those bikes - you should be grandfathered in since you purchased a lifetime warranty with your bike. Let us know how things progress!

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    The area where cable housing guides/bosses are placed on thin walled tubes is very critical. This along with the fact that the right side chainstay (drive side) is more heavily loaded than the left due to pedaling forces makes this type of cracking relatively common within companies who don't have effective frame testing apparatus' that account for driveside pedal loading. One Taiwanese guy I work with describes welded guides/bosses as "putting can opener on belly of whale". An apt analogy. Anyhow, I don't think high weld temps would be the culprit with alumunum since the weld looks good in your pics i.e. no divots or thin spots where the aluminum moved away from where you want it. It looks to me that what you have here is a part of a frame that wasn't properly designed/tested and has subsequently been redesigned to move the boss away from the highly loaded part of the tube. I'm also guessing that once the first crack started, the chainstay began flexing more and so the next "weakest" area became overloaded and another crack started. I have broken a lot of right side chainstays in the last 40 years.
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    Yeah, I remember when I got the bike, I was told, "don't worry we never have issues with the 2009's, there indestructible", well, yeah......, I mean, the bike is still my favorite the handling is amazing O.o. But yeah I took it to the local bike shop, they took some pics, sent it into trek, there like "Ouch :O, its common but still, doesn't look to fun". Now i'm waiting on a reply from trek, and i'm now running my dads DH Gary Fisher, King Fisher 2 for XC rides xD, quite painful haha.

    But yeah, the crack is right where the hose guide is welded on, so if they send me the same faulty part, I might be a little mad, but, we will see

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    Let us know if they're going to replace the part or give you a new frame! I'd like to go for a remedy next time mine goes, but we'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joehspicer@msn.com View Post
    Let us know if they're going to replace the part or give you a new frame! I'd like to go for a remedy next time mine goes, but we'll see!
    Well I know they still have Roscoe 3 frames around for warranty as I was offered this or a Trek EX9 frame for a broken 2008 Hi Fi. Not sure on just the rear triangle.
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    So...Since Trek changed there warranty policy this raises a question.

    When Trek runs through their ware house of Roscoe swing arms and converts us all to Fuels/Remedies will this effectively void our life time warranties?

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