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    Gary Fisher Collection from Trek?

    It looks like Fisher Bikes will now be branded as Trek Bikes from the Gary Fisher colleciton. go to trekbikes.com

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    Wow the paint is god awfull!
    Where is the bling?
    The wheel is a extension of the foot

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    That is correct. I think the new paint schemes are sweet!!!

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    glad i got the 2010 Rumblefish, although i didnt see it on the website. I liked the superfly paint schemes.

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    anyone check out the Rig?
    it now has a 100mm fork (was 80) and Avid Juicy 3 brakes (were bb7s).
    paint job is meh but some nice new parts

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    Crapy Colors and proce increase!

    I was thinking about getting a GF Superfly SS frameset. The new colors on the Trek are awful and they increased the price about $600. Any shops out there that have a new large frame set in stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_heald
    anyone check out the Rig?
    it now has a 100mm fork (was 80) and Avid Juicy 3 brakes (were bb7s).
    paint job is meh but some nice new parts

    It has sliders now too, no EBB.

    As for the SFSS, I am not sure why the price bump. Doesn't look like a tapered headtube, and I don't really see anything that changed.

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    That new Sawyer is hot. It has a G2 rigid fork that folks have been wanting. Looks like it has sliding dropouts too. That would make a sexy singlespeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1an
    That new Sawyer is hot. It has a G2 rigid fork that folks have been wanting. Looks like it has sliding dropouts too. That would make a sexy singlespeed.

    Look again, the rear vertical dropouts are swingers. You can see the 2 screws clearly in the zoom view.

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    I noticed the nev version of the wahoo disc(wahoo wsd in the "collection") has upgraded the brakes to hydraulics. I wonder if they are stepping the GF collection up a notch over the standard trek lineup?

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    I am not all that familiar with "Promax" brakes. At least I have not seen the name around here before today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonw9
    It has sliders now too, no EBB.

    As for the SFSS, I am not sure why the price bump. Doesn't look like a tapered headtube, and I don't really see anything that changed.
    so that means its not going to creek any more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingblankagain
    “This makes sense. I love this strategy,” says Gary Fisher in a press release sent early this morning. “I’ve been working with Trek on the Fisher Brand since 1996, but this puts me right in the middle of the best team of bike people. I can now bring my ideas to Trek, number one bike brand in the world. Better bikes and more people on those bikes. I love it.”

    Anybody else notice that at the press conference Gary seemed to be blinking in Morse code? With a VCR recording and an an old Boy Scouts manual, I get his code as "h-e-l-p...h-o-s-t-a-g-e".

    Or maybe he just blinks a lot. But really, “They flushed my brand name down the toilet and told me to F myself on the 2011 colors. I love this strategy because I get a fat bonus check and how was I to know the hooker they sent to my room was under age?”

    LOL.

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    just like klein, its the end of fisher

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonw9
    I am not all that familiar with "Promax" brakes.
    Believe me, that's a really good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbry
    just like klein, its the end of fisher
    Agreed. A sad day.

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    Too bad it's the end of the line for fisher, Soon to be nothing more than treks 29er brand. I wonder what will happen with the team. Hope the riders aren't left without a ride for the next year.

    Glad to have my 09 hookoo and sad to see the end of the line.

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    I wonder what Trek was thinking when they bought Bontrager, Lemond, Fisher, and Klein only to ultimately quit making these brands. I like Trek road bikes but I don't particularly like their mountain bikes.

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    Gary Fisher = ultimate sell out. He proved himself to be a bigger doooouche than I thought he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurvivorofShalamar
    Too bad it's the end of the line for fisher, Soon to be nothing more than treks 29er brand. I wonder what will happen with the team. Hope the riders aren't left without a ride for the next year.

    Glad to have my 09 hookoo and sad to see the end of the line.
    Team will go on as always. Gary and JHK addressed this on Twitter.

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    Gary Fisher = ultimate sell out. He proved himself to be a bigger doooouche than I thought he was.
    Horse ****! Get out of here with that non sense.

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    Bummer!

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    I have lots of loyal fisher customers, and this idiocy is not going to please them. trek paint jobs, and a general trekified look to the frames, dropping the rigid town bikes.... what are they thinking? Many customers love the fact the bikes are bit different.... As a trek/fisher dealer this change really disappoints me. Its hard enough to sell 29ers in the UK and the look of this line-up is really not what I need right now. Seems that 29ers are doing so well in the US that trek want all the glory, this re-branding is bit of an insult to a mtb legend.......

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    Will our forum get shifted to the Trek forum along with Bontrager,klein ect

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    I don't much care about this change, but would kill (almost) for the new, built-in downtube "armor" on the 2011 Fly 100.
    Whining is not a strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurvivorofShalamar
    Too bad it's the end of the line for fisher, Soon to be nothing more than treks 29er brand. I wonder what will happen with the team. Hope the riders aren't left without a ride for the next year.

    Glad to have my 09 hookoo and sad to see the end of the line.
    This ^ is what I am wondering about. Especially, when it come to important stuff like this >http://singletrack.competitor.com/20...y-knew-ye_8683

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    Hey! No Roscoe anymore in the Trek fisher collection ... it's one hell of a bike!!!

    The Roscoe can't be out, anyone have to try a Roscoe... ok i'm going to take care of my beloved one.


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    I was going to ride my Paragon today, but now I think I'm gonna look for a glass case big enough to put it in...
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    Glad I just got my hands on a new 2010 Rumblefish....not digging the paint scheme on the 2011's at all.

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    GF lives on!

    Quote Originally Posted by josh8
    Team will go on as always. Gary and JHK addressed this on Twitter.


    Horse ****! Get out of here with that non sense.

    I agree, that is total non-sense. GF as a person cares about bikes and bike events and bike people. I believe he is correct in thinking that he can bring 'new' ideas to the mtn bike divison of TREK....and it would seem they(TREK) need his forward thinking.

    The recent review in MBA of the 120mm Fuel, they finish the review of this 6G ($) bike, by saying, what we would do is shorten the stem, widen the bars and swap out the 120mm (15QR) fork for a 130mm (15QR) fork.....WOW, if that isnt a slap in the face for TREK mtn bikes, I dont know what is. True, its only an opinion - but when you are MBA your opinion matters.

    From my personal perspective, I feel the industry will say this is a sign of weakness with the GF brand.....BUT, really this is a sign of global weakness for expensive toys. Every retail industry is tight. So, TREK and GF are now closer and can get more 'economies of scale' working for them.

    ......LC(cheers)

    PS: is my lifetime frame warrentee still good on my 09 HIFI PRO ???

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    Wrong, when your MBA, your opinion is irrelevent

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    I would have thought that with two levels of the Superfly/Superfly 100 the Elite version would include the top of the line components. Many people get these bikes and swap out the X-0 for XX... why not just include it or give people the option to swap it from the start. I want to swap my components, but I don't want to go through the hassle of selling the stuff I got and then waiting to buy the new stuff... wife's orders to do it in that sequence.

    Maybe the Fisher Collection bikes will be available on the Project One site soon and that won't be a problem.

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    Bummer

    I liked fishers for the geometry, innovation, and bold graphics. You stand out on a fisher. The Trek line for 2011 is really quite fugly. I am glad to have the 2010 HiFI and 2010 X caliber 29ers. The paint looks MUCH, MUCH better than those department store, cookie cutter disgraces. I ride 6 or 7 days a week and will need a bike in several years. If this trend continues i will be off to one of the other 29er manufacturers. As a longtime Fisher rider this is a major disappointment. I will start researching alternate 29er lines just so I keep informed and ready to make the change in a year or two when it's time to buy.
    29ers are more fun!

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    I've liked most of the Fisher graphics over the last several years, but I gotta disagree with the folks calling the 2011 design ugly, I think it's pretty sweet. They're not dousing them in bright red anymore, thankfully, and I like the large outline brand name on the top and bottom of the downtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty6black
    The recent review in MBA of the 120mm Fuel, they finish the review of this 6G ($) bike, by saying, what we would do is shorten the stem, widen the bars and swap out the 120mm (15QR) fork for a 130mm (15QR) fork.....WOW, if that isnt a slap in the face for TREK mtn bikes, I dont know what is. True, its only an opinion - but when you are MBA your opinion matters.
    I can't think of anything I would pay attention to less. My review would have been a longer stem, narrower bars and to keep the 120mm fork. MBA sucks.

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    Mountain Buyke Action has not been relevant for at least a couple of decades .

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    Quote Originally Posted by aabbas
    I've liked most of the Fisher graphics over the last several years, but I gotta disagree with the folks calling the 2011 design ugly, I think it's pretty sweet. They're not dousing them in bright red anymore, thankfully, and I like the large outline brand name on the top and bottom of the downtube.

    We were talking about this at the shop today. All the bikes are mostly black, with some other color, mostly grey.

    I think the store is going to look like an old black and white picture once the new treks come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonw9
    We were talking about this at the shop today. All the bikes are mostly black, with some other color, mostly grey.

    I think the store is going to look like an old black and white picture once the new treks come in.
    Haha. This is really evident in the Rumblefish lineup. I think the Superfly bikes are team colors which makes sense. I like the matte black with the blue.

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    Fisher lost me when they dropped the Ferrous
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel29er
    Fisher lost me when they dropped the Ferrous
    Then you need to look at the Sawyer, way better bike than the Ferrous!

    Tinshield- I agree I like several of the 2011 paint schemes. I like all the Superfly's and the mens Xcal looks good. That HIFI Pro is sharp too.
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    Well, now what... I was looking at getting either the X-cal or the Scott Scale 29er. Both sold out in my neck of the woods. So I was going to have to wait for a bit.

    But looking at the the 2011 models of some of the X-cal, I just go "meh". Seriously, the WSD X-Cal frame is WAY better looking than the men's model. Makes me wish I was shorter...

    Its not the layout of the color strips I have issues with. Its the utter and complete lack of color. The Cobia and the Marlin WSD (the two with the most color of the hardtails) look so much better than the others because they don't look like funeral bikes or like Giant brand bikes.

    And really, you are going to the trouble to put 2011 X7 10 speed cassettes in the back, but setting them up as 3x10 vs. 2x10? Really?

    Starting to wonder harder what that 2011 Scott Scale is going to look like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowboy76
    Well, now what... I was looking at getting either the X-cal or the Scott Scale 29er. Both sold out in my neck of the woods. So I was going to have to wait for a bit.

    But looking at the the 2011 models of some of the X-cal, I just go "meh". Seriously, the WSD X-Cal frame is WAY better looking than the men's model. Makes me wish I was shorter...

    Its not the layout of the color strips I have issues with. Its the utter and complete lack of color. The Cobia and the Marlin WSD (the two with the most color of the hardtails) look so much better than the others because they don't look like funeral bikes or like Giant brand bikes.

    And really, you are going to the trouble to put 2011 X7 10 speed cassettes in the back, but setting them up as 3x10 vs. 2x10? Really?

    Starting to wonder harder what that 2011 Scott Scale is going to look like...
    The WSD X-Cal is al black and gray? What him say?

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    I am almost wondering if Trek is setting the GF line up for failure.

    Take one of the things people like about GF (colors) and make them plain, while the Trek line has "some" color (while not great graphics).

    So J6P walks into the shop and gets offered a black/grey painted GF next to a bright shiny Trek, which will the pick?

    Then in a year or 2, the GF collection can be culled because it isn't selling as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonw9
    I am almost wondering if Trek is setting the GF line up for failure.

    Take one of the things people like about GF (colors) and make them plain, while the Trek line has "some" color (while not great graphics).

    So J6P walks into the shop and gets offered a black/grey painted GF next to a bright shiny Trek, which will the pick?

    Then in a year or 2, the GF collection can be culled because it isn't selling as much.
    Makes no sense whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    Makes no sense whatsoever.

    Why doesn't it? They already said the independent GF line cost too much money, so they rolled them into one. Why not just kill off the brand all together and save even more?

    Much like Ford/Mercury, Chevy/Olds, etc.

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    The Gary Fisher line out sold Trek by a huge margin in many areas , this is a cost cutting and brand recognition move . Joe Blow knows who Trek is because of Lance , ask Joe who Gary Fisher is . This aims right at middle America , helping Trek sales and moving G.F. to the higher end of the Trek line , giving Trek some "chi chi" at the top end of the line . In corporate speak , this good "branding" , the cost cutting of this move dosent hurt either , aimed at increased profitability . My two cents .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonw9
    Why doesn't it? They already said the independent GF line cost too much money, so they rolled them into one. Why not just kill off the brand all together and save even more?

    Much like Ford/Mercury, Chevy/Olds, etc.
    The name does have a lot of value to enthusiasts and bringing them under the Trek umbrella opens them up to the "Trek" name that almost everyone knows. The expansion of the line and increased production and distribution goes against your theory. I guess it's a legit thought but when you really look at it its Trek recognizing that the 29ers are selling and they need a way to sell more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    The WSD X-Cal is al black and gray? What him say?
    Yeah, I made a few mistakes in that post. Should have re-read what I typed..

    What I was trying to say was that compared to the men's X-cal, the colors on the WSD model are better. Yes, its over-all grey, but the use of a real contrasting color (the teal) makes the color pop out. The blue on the men's does not contrast with the black enough. What if the blue was like a line green? Or red? That same frame and basic color patch layout would look better.

    Also, its not the Marlin WSD that looks so good compared to the others, its the Mamba WSD. The two bikes that look the best are the ones with most color. Just sayin'.

    I've test rode X-cal many times and I really like the bike. I like the Scott Scale 29 too. Its give and take on components and each has their pluses and minuses. At some point the difference between the bikes comes down to things that are visual, i.e. which bike looks better. As of 2011, I would say the X-cal is going to lose that race...

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    A little more flash is warranted. The Superflys are fine I think since they are race bikes and actually look pretty good with the race team colors. Bikes like the Rumblefish should have some jazz though. It could be that Trek determined that many people shy away from "loud" colored bikes? Many people won't buy a bike because the color is too plain but they might refuse to buy if it's too much.

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    I am not a fan of some of the pastel colors they're using, it reminds me of easter time. Most of them are pretty slick looking though.

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    Personally I think this was a good ideia, cause i'm from Portugal, and this is a way to get some Fisher ideias here, I hope!

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    I personally dig the changes they made to the line for the next year. My opinion about the "collection" is that they are battling with the big S and C to try and get more bikes into the stores. They are now allowing the "Fisher" collection into Trek stores that were not allowed to carry the Fisher line before. As far as the line up looks on paper, I like it! I can't say where the Fisher line is going in a few years, but everything changes, and we should get used to it.

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    On the plus side, all the more shops to deal with broken frames.

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    I am sad that we are losing the GF brand, but I am happy that my LBS (which carries Trek & Giant, but not GF) will now be able to sell GF 29ers. This is a big deal to me because I am not a big fan of Trek mtn bikes, but I really like the GFs.

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    Any news about the availability of the Trek Superfly 100?

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    I am so dissapointed when Garyfisher so called went into Trek .
    I own a 2010 Garyfisher Tassajara which I love and adore so much and when the news broke out I was so frustrated . When i saw to the website for the new bikes I was digusted by the colours . Black , Grey , blue and orange . Where are the reds and vibrant colours ?
    Then the Marlin turned into a 29er .
    Killed the 26 inch Roscue , Tassajara , Hoo Koo E Koo and Big Sur . These bikes are to ones who made me attrated in the first place .

    I felt that proberly Trek felt that Garyfisher is doing better than them and those bikes they klled off are the so-called direct competion to Trek's main bikes .
    Roscue = Remedy
    Big Sur = 8500
    Hoo Koo E Koo = 6500
    Tassajara = 6300

    It is a sad thing see like Klein , Garyfisher will perish under Trek's foot .
    I shall try a take good care of my bike . Last batch of the true Garyfisher .
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTEK121294
    Then the Marlin turned into a 29er .
    Killed the 26 inch Roscue , Tassajara , Hoo Koo E Koo and Big Sur . These bikes are to ones who made me attrated in the first place .
    The above is an interesting observation. What about geometry? Fisher had G2 even for their 26ers. Does Trek implement G2 in their 26er line, or is G2 for 26ers no longer available? Does G2 matter much in the 26er world?

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    No, yes, no
    Worked at Trek/Fisher dealer 2008-2013. Only a little biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTEK121294
    I am so dissapointed when Garyfisher so called went into Trek .
    I own a 2010 Garyfisher Tassajara which I love and adore so much and when the news broke out I was so frustrated . When i saw to the website for the new bikes I was digusted by the colours . Black , Grey , blue and orange . Where are the reds and vibrant colours ?
    Then the Marlin turned into a 29er .
    Killed the 26 inch Roscue , Tassajara , Hoo Koo E Koo and Big Sur . These bikes are to ones who made me attrated in the first place .

    I felt that proberly Trek felt that Garyfisher is doing better than them and those bikes they klled off are the so-called direct competion to Trek's main bikes .
    Roscue = Remedy
    Big Sur = 8500
    Hoo Koo E Koo = 6500
    Tassajara = 6300

    It is a sad thing see like Klein , Garyfisher will perish under Trek's foot .
    I shall try a take good care of my bike . Last batch of the true Garyfisher .
    .
    I bought a Gary Fisher more than 5 years ago and it was built in the Trek factory. They have been the same for a long time. Just marketing. Like the ABP on both brands was not the obvious? Not like FSR licensing....

    More of the same really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTEK121294
    Killed the 26 inch Roscue , Tassajara , Hoo Koo E Koo and Big Sur . These bikes are to ones who made me attrated in the first place . :

    Big Sur has been gone for a few years now
    Worked at Trek/Fisher dealer 2008-2013. Only a little biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTEK121294
    I felt that proberly Trek felt that Garyfisher is doing better than them and those bikes they klled off are the so-called direct competion to Trek's main bikes .
    Trek can be directly quoted as saying they integrated the two brands due to poor performance of the Gary Fisher brand... not because GF bikes were selling better...

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    Anyway . Its just plain sad to see this ..

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    This will be interesting. I like my Genesis framed Cake...it stands out and works perfectly for the local conditions I deal with.

    Gary Fisher himself, though he has an interesting fashion sense, knows bikes. My fear is that he's going to be cut out until he's just a name used for marketing of Trek products.

    I personally suspect that the "Gary Fisher" line will be fully absorbed into Trek...we'll get bikes with full floater, ABP, the dual stage shock and G2 geo all rolled into a Trek product and Fisher will be phased out.

    As nice as a Roscoe or Rumblefish would have been, I'm starting to really eye a boutique name now. I've not been overly impressed by the Trek line or geometry in the last couple of years (though the Remedies aren't bad) and with Fisher now being brought directly into Trek...I think I`ll save my pennies for something else next time.
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    Interesting how the 2011 models have 100mm travel forks!

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    I think we need to keep in perspective that this is all about bikes. If they ride the way we want them to, are priced right and are well supported, who cares whose name is on it. I like Fisher bikes enough to have owned 5 of them but it was the ride and the support I received that got me on them, not the name.

    Yeah, I would prefer to still have GF on my frame but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the name change. The warranty change is a totally different story however. That could move me away from Trek bikes in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blunderbuss
    Big Sur has been gone for a few years now
    A couple years or so in the U.S. less overseas.
    I'm still riding mine from 2003 occasionally even though I've upgraded to a 2008 Kona Dawg Deluxe last year.

    Trek can be directly quoted as saying they integrated the two brands due to poor performance of the Gary Fisher brand... not because GF bikes were selling better...
    I might have gone Roscoe instead of Dawg but I couldn't find one to try.

    Even if it was true that Fisher was doing better than Trek they could hardly say so. I doubt that Fisher was a threat however, no more than Buick is a threat to GM. Anyone see any symetry to GM and Pontiac, Saturn or Oldsmobile?

    Like GM however, In my opinion the poor performance of the Fisher brand can be directly placed at TREK's doorstep it is after all a Trek brand that they manage and control. When the bikes aren't available to try, even at the demo days then people are less likely to put the money down to have one shipped in sight unseen. Feet on the pedals and butt on the seat sells bikes. It sold me on Fisher when I was buying a hardtail because I tried Treks from the 4500 to the 8000 and Fishers from the Marlin to the Tassajara. The Fisher was more bang for the buck at the time and when I was able to get the Big Sur for a steal I jumped on it. Same deal with the Kona. If I hadn't been able to spend two hours tooling around at least the alley on different bikes I wouldn't have purchased that day and any bike I might have ordered probably wouldn't have been that bike and wouldn't have been that size.

    I think they are trying to strengthen their overall brand by reducing Fisher to a collection. Then Fisher will slowly fade away into nonexistance.

    Yeah, I would prefer to still have GF on my frame but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the name change. The warranty change is a totally different story however. That could move me away from Trek bikes in the future.
    The warranty was a factor buying my hardtail. Less of one with the Kona although they upped the 4 years mine came with to lifetime in '09. When I buy new it is something I look at pretty hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMailmanismydad
    Gary Fisher = ultimate sell out. He proved himself to be a bigger doooouche than I thought he was.
    This is a sad situation, but this is not true. Selling to Trek let him keep making the bikes he wanted to make for 15 years longer than he would have by going out of business in the mid 90's.

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    Sad Day.....Think i'll keep my fisher for another year.

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    Some of you guys really are not paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Mike
    Gary Fisher himself, though he has an interesting fashion sense, knows bikes. My fear is that he's going to be cut out until he's just a name used for marketing of Trek products.
    It has already happened.... 17 years ago when Trek acquired the Fisher brand. Trek also acquired Klein and Bontrager shortly afterward to sell Treks to people who normally wouldn't buy one.

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    [QUOTE=Tinshield]Some of you guys really are not paying attention.[/QUOTE

    Enlighten us!

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    Lots of people mad that their Treks (GF's) are now called Treks and are pissed off about something that really happened a loooong time ago. If it wasn't for Trek, Gary Fisher bikes would be ancient history. To say that this is somehow a sad day implies that some people don't know the facts. If you're mad that the bike now says Trek on it then yeah I guess that's legit, but in reality it's the same bike it was last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A1an
    That new Sawyer is hot. It has a G2 rigid fork that folks have been wanting. Looks like it has sliding dropouts too. That would make a sexy singlespeed.
    Agreed on the Single Speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    The Gary Fisher line out sold Trek by a huge margin in many areas , this is a cost cutting and brand recognition move . Joe Blow knows who Trek is because of Lance , ask Joe who Gary Fisher is . This aims right at middle America , helping Trek sales and moving G.F. to the higher end of the Trek line , giving Trek some "chi chi" at the top end of the line . In corporate speak , this good "branding" , the cost cutting of this move dosent hurt either , aimed at increased profitability . My two cents .
    I don't understand this. If GF outsold the Trek brand, how does rebranding GF bikes as Trek help? I think a lot of people bought GFs because Gary Fisher himself is an innovator in the world of mountain bikes and Trek isn't. I think Trek killed the golden goose. The GF Collection will last a couple of years, and then be gone. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    I don't understand this. If GF outsold the Trek brand, how does rebranding GF bikes as Trek help? I think a lot of people bought GFs because Gary Fisher himself is an innovator in the world of mountain bikes and Trek isn't. I think Trek killed the golden goose. The GF Collection will last a couple of years, and then be gone. Time will tell.

    And how exactly did they kill the golden goose? GF still works for Trek and the line has expanded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    I don't understand this. If GF outsold the Trek brand, how does rebranding GF bikes as Trek help? I think a lot of people bought GFs because Gary Fisher himself is an innovator in the world of mountain bikes and Trek isn't. I think Trek killed the golden goose. The GF Collection will last a couple of years, and then be gone. Time will tell.


    GF outsold Trek in many areas , not all , just many . As I posted before ask middle America who Gary Fisher is , then ask them about Trek . The preponderance of people could not tell you who GF is , but they sure do know about Lance and Trek .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    GF outsold Trek in many areas , not all , just many . As I posted before ask middle America who Gary Fisher is , then ask them about Trek . The preponderance of people could not tell you who GF is , but they sure do know about Lance and Trek .
    Yup. I don't see a big issue here. The GF line can now focus on the niche product (i.e. 29er). No more overlap on kids bikes, 26".... Not sure what that means for the road bikes though....

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    Road bikes are still out there for 2011 (at least).

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    Road bike lines are actually far enough apart that the two lines could coexist nicely .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Road bike lines are actually far enough apart that the two lines could coexist nicely .
    Yeah I think so. Some of the GF road stuff is pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacapon
    Guess I need to start looking for a new favorite brand!
    I did, just ordered a 2011 specialized

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06OutlanderAWD
    I did, just ordered a 2011 specialized
    Good choice because Specialized is one of those small companies that really caters to the little guy, unlike Trek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIV2RYD
    I think we need to keep in perspective that this is all about bikes. If they ride the way we want them to, are priced right and are well supported, who cares whose name is on it. I like Fisher bikes enough to have owned 5 of them but it was the ride and the support I received that got me on them, not the name.

    Yeah, I would prefer to still have GF on my frame but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the name change. The warranty change is a totally different story however. That could move me away from Trek bikes in the future.
    Very true....I got a Fisher (well, 2 in a row) because of the fit...the long top tube fits me. Plus, the lifetime warranty was the cat's @zz. The name on the downtube and headset badge weren't the big seller the first time, but it brought me back the second time because I knew what I wanted and I knew "who" had it.

    The warranty change, the inevitable change to "trek geometry" and such will likely have me going elsewhere for the next frame/bike. Besides, for the local price of the level of bike I'd be looking at next time, I may as well just save up a few pennies and get a Knolly (or Banshee, or Santa Cruz, or..., or..., or...) as something that I can build up exactly how I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    Lots of people mad that their Treks (GF's) are now called Treks and are pissed off about something that really happened a loooong time ago. If it wasn't for Trek, Gary Fisher bikes would be ancient history. To say that this is somehow a sad day implies that some people don't know the facts. If you're mad that the bike now says Trek on it then yeah I guess that's legit, but in reality it's the same bike it was last year.
    I don't think it is lost on anyone here that GF has been a Trek owned for brand ages...what most people are bemoaning is that we're likely going to lose what made Fishers different from Treks. Fishers had Genesis geometry and then the dual rate air shock....Trek had ABP and full floater stuff. Fishers had long top tubes for an open feel, Treks are shorter feeling.

    Put the two together under the same brand with one set of designers working on them and what do you get? We don't know....but it likely won't be the same as what got us into the Fisher brand to start with. That is why a lot of folks on here see this as a sad day...it may not be a big change for 2011 (other than the name) but I bet by 2012 or 2013 the things that made Fishers distinct will be gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Mike
    I don't think it is lost on anyone here that GF has been a Trek owned for brand ages...what most people are bemoaning is that we're likely going to lose what made Fishers different from Treks. Fishers had Genesis geometry and then the dual rate air shock....Trek had ABP and full floater stuff. Fishers had long top tubes for an open feel, Treks are shorter feeling.

    Put the two together under the same brand with one set of designers working on them and what do you get? We don't know....but it likely won't be the same as what got us into the Fisher brand to start with. That is why a lot of folks on here see this as a sad day...it may not be a big change for 2011 (other than the name) but I bet by 2012 or 2013 the things that made Fishers distinct will be gone.
    Sounds like the sky is falling. I'm not going to panic. Fortunately for us, there's a lot of choices out there. I don't like to speculate too much but my gut tells me Trek will do a pretty good job with the Fisher bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    Sounds like the sky is falling. I'm not going to panic. Fortunately for us, there's a lot of choices out there. I don't like to speculate too much but my gut tells me Trek will do a pretty good job with the Fisher bikes.
    I doubt it. Look what happened to Klein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee
    I doubt it. Look what happened to Klein.
    Klein wasn't innovating and didn't make sense going forward.

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    Have to admit I was disheartened when I went on the G.F. site and saw the 2011 were going to be branded Trek.

    I have my heart set on a 2011 Hi Fi
    Looks like the specs have changed on the Hi Fi Plus, the forks under G.F. were Fox F100 RL, now the 2011 are going to be Rock Shox Reba RL , is this a big downgrade are are the forks comparable?

    I would have to move up to the Deluxe Model at $400.00 more to get the Fox forks, but what else am I getting for $400.00
    I'm kind of a newbie to this, and this is a big decision for me, as it's a lot of money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider6
    Have to admit I was disheartened when I went on the G.F. site and saw the 2011 were going to be branded Trek.

    I have my heart set on a 2011 Hi Fi
    Looks like the specs have changed on the Hi Fi Plus, the forks under G.F. were Fox F100 RL, now the 2011 are going to be Rock Shox Reba RL , is this a big downgrade are are the forks comparable?

    I would have to move up to the Deluxe Model at $400.00 more to get the Fox forks, but what else am I getting for $400.00
    I'm kind of a newbie to this, and this is a big decision for me, as it's a lot of money!

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    They did the same with the X-Cal. And why did they ugly up the bikes with those colors and boaring graphics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacapon
    Guess I need to start looking for a new favorite brand!
    I think some of you guys need to chill out. Mountain biking is about riding and having fun - that's the mantra Gary Fisher himself has promoted for over a decade. If you are seriously this upset about a corporate reshuffling (newsflash: Gary Fisher brand was a corporate brand just like Trek), you need to get over it. These companies are in business for ONE reason: to make money. The benefit to the consumer is, you get great products to enjoy riding. If you don't like the new Trek-GF bikes, then buy something else. But if you are seriously abandoning the brand just because of the changing corporate structure, I think you're nuts. Buy the bike you enjoy riding.

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    "I love my Gary Fisher bike!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    Trek wasn't doing much innovating with the Klein brand.
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcar964
    (someone glues a Trek badge on the front)
    LOL! I had my Trek Hifi Pro 29er the very next day:

    Gary Fisher Collection from Trek?-img_0970.jpg

    Just did it for fun though, to have a good laugh w/a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScaryJerry
    FTFY
    Posted by Boomn in the 29er Forum:

    I think you misunderstand the history of Klein and why it does not parallel this and does not reflect on Trek in the way you are implying. Klein and Fisher were both purchased by Trek around the same time, with their respective founders staying on board. Gary Fisher was able to keep his brand relevant over time and even make innovations that turned out to be very popular. Gary Klein did not and the sales from his division continued to drop as we left the 90s further behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Mike
    we're likely going to lose what made Fishers different from Treks.
    You're wrong. The industrial design group, product managers, and brand managers will be under just as much (if not more) pressure to differentiate the Fisher Collection now that they say Trek on them. Otherwise, all that differentiates the two lines is paint.

    If you think the people responsible for making the Fisher Collection a success would let that happen, you're completely mistaken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Mike
    Put the two together under the same brand with one set of designers working on them and what do you get? We don't know....but it likely won't be the same as what got us into the Fisher brand to start with.
    It likely won't be the same? You say this like it's a fact, but it's not a fact at all. It's your opinion. It's fine to have an opinion about it, but please be sure to avoid presenting it as a proven fact.

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    The 2011 Hifi Pro is looking sweetttttt
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcar964
    I think some of you guys need to chill out. Mountain biking is about riding and having fun - that's the mantra Gary Fisher himself has promoted for over a decade. If you are seriously this upset about a corporate reshuffling (newsflash: Gary Fisher brand was a corporate brand just like Trek), you need to get over it. These companies are in business for ONE reason: to make money. The benefit to the consumer is, you get great products to enjoy riding. If you don't like the new Trek-GF bikes, then buy something else. But if you are seriously abandoning the brand just because of the changing corporate structure, I think you're nuts. Buy the bike you enjoy riding.

    Amen

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