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    The Definitive Cake Thread

    Pardon my boldness but, I thought that posts regarding pro's, con's, and issues with the Cake deserved a "definitive" thread (as opposed to being headed under "Stability with a Cake" or "New to mtn biking, just bought Cake DLX2"). So I propose that we use this thread for reviews, technical questions, etc. It would be great to have all that useful Cake info. consolitdated. Feel free to post, or not.

    The Loctite issue:
    I have just returned from my LBS where I sat in on the repair (loose rear triangle after three rides). It took him about 1/2 hour. It was good to see because it's essentially the process we'll be using to replace bearings when they wear out. I could go into detail but, more to the point, the bearings had been "set" with Loctite but, hardly enough to do the job. GF/ Trek designed the bearing housing to allow the bearings to be hand-placed (as opposed to the typical press-fit) probably to aid in the assembly process. That is to say, the bearings are as easy to remove as a key from a lock. But, for that reason, liberal application of Loctite was also required. We removed the bearings, applied the 680 retaining compound to the outer race of the bearing and the inside of the bearing houseing, replaced the bearings, and that was that. The compound takes 24 hours to fully cure. There is no play in the rear triangle now though, I have yet to get out for a ride. I'll keep everyone posted.

    Anyone with similar experiences or other Cake issues please reply to this thread.

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    Second Thought

    Okay...it hasn't been long for me to see the weakness in my plan. If all the issues are addressed in one thread how will anyone know where to look for a specific problem. I suppose it should be called the "duh-finitive" thread. Still, I hate it when a thread takes a turn and the title no longer applies. Makes it hard to tell which threads to look into.

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    Cake thoughts

    I have just passed about 300 miles on my cake 2 dlx. Have had oodles of problems with it, but still think it is awesome as most problems where simple fixes. I had the loctite issue which is now very well known. I have had some chain suck issues, but not too bad, although the swing arm has a few nice chunks missing out of the paint behind the chainring. Had some horrible rear derailuer problems for awhile but after a few hours of tuning that was ok. I love the way the bike handles over all. One problem I have been having is not a GF issue, because of the distance between the narrow wheels, and the black fork, sometimes my computer does not seem to register the magnet really well so I drop miles when it shuts off on me by itself. Had some brake issues with the rear hayes disc, it kept getting really squishy and losing its ability to stop, I always seemed to discover this had come up while heading downhill. That finally seems to be kosher now, after the latest bleeding which was the third time.

    I am stilll having the automatic shifting problem occasionally, but usually only when I get a lot of dust on the chain and rear derailuer.

    Over all its a great bike though, and I am glad I bought it. The local shop has been great not a dime of money or a second of the repairs have come out of me.

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    I had a 3 DLX for a week.

    I gouged the chainstay real good after a careless shift caused chain suck. This happened way too easy.

    I also found the standover to be excessive when on a frame that fit me in a riding position. Some bikes have a dropped top tube, it would help this bike out.

    The high BB makes for a slow and ponderous feeling bike on fast singletrack. It's not an XC bike.

    The geometry is not for everybody. I didn't feel comfortable on it.

    The Black Elite fork on the 3 DLX is way too soft, and not a good match for the SPV rear.

    That's the bad, the good is that it was a very smooth, plush, and fun ride. A good bike. With a few minor design improvements, it could be great.

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    I'll join in!

    Cake 2 dlx / 6'3" 205# / Ridden 250+ miles in rocky, rooty, muddy New England so far.....

    I initially had a few problems with the drive train. LBS fixed / advised.

    I had taken a spill and crashed it on the drive train side against a rock, this cracked the RD cable housing, bent the RD hanger, and caused lots of skippage, and frustration.
    Once LBS replaced housing and re-aligned RD hanger, worked great.

    I had chainsuck real bad, damaged chainstay (large gouges) this was caused by the extreme deflection of middle chainring/ smaller cogs in the rear, LBS advised to find a similiar gear ratio with the smaller chainring / middle cogs.

    I haven't had any more problems since. Bike is riding great.

    I try to keep the chain as clean and lubed as possible. (before every ride)

    The suggested setup of the SPV is what I am now using, I have tried a few different settings and I am back to this. Sometimes it does feel like I have low tire pressure, though it is fine, may have to adjust the rebound. I like the way the bike climbs, (despite its weight compared to the hardtail). SPV works awesome!

    The fork is really soft, I have had to increase the pressure setting to make it firmer. Will work fine until I can afford a FOX or Minute.

    I am definatley faster on this bike than I was on my old hard tail, I am learning to pick a line and commit to it. Point and go method. My weakness was descending, and have seen dramatic improvements, my riding buddies used to catch me here, now they are cursing. Long time coming they say. I love being able to sit and hammer through rough stuff, instead of having to stand as I did on the hardtail.

    The stand over is high (XL frame) and I have a 35" inseam! But when I am riding it, the bike feels like it is a custom fit, like a glove some would say! So I guess my fix here would be to improve my riding skills and not dab.

    Haven't noticed any loose-ness with the rear triangle (fingers are crossed)

    My 2 cents, to keep the post alive.

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    hello

    I've been riding my cake2dlx for a couple months. I too have had chain suck, but only during races when going fast downhill. I have had a lot of shifting problems repaired by lbs after my failed attempts. It is now shifting well except for occasional drop shift from middle to low in the front. I had to add loctite to the brake levers because they kept closing in on my hands after adjusting them every other ride, but that is good now. Now I have to pull them all the way in to activate the brakes - will try to bleed.

    My big problem is all the ticking noises. I have never ridden a bike this noisy. I know one problem is the headset. I had the lbs look at this and they took a part and regreased. But then I had a lot of play with the fork in the headset. When I work on that I can either tighten and have the noises or loosen and get the play which would be worse on the frame so I go with the noise. When I go off a drop or over a log pile it sounds like the frame is going to bust open and smash me into the dirt.

    But I love riding this bike.

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    headset

    I replaced the junky $10 headset they put on this bike and the noises up front went away. Bike is riding great. Had the shifting adjusted a few more times.

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    my share of problems

    my problems with my cake 2 dlx began as soon as they opened to box to build it.

    -broken front brake hose in shipping. had to wait for new one.
    -replaced hose, lever started to leak
    -replaced lever, then hose snapped during ride because of poor cable routing
    -replaced hose, then brakes not working. loses pressure after few pulls of lever
    -replaced entire brake unit
    -chainsuck like mad from day 1
    -5 bent chains, 1 broken one because of chainsuck
    - gouged swingarm
    -gear hopping
    -dirty headset
    -creaky bb
    -creaky headset

    i had the chainsuck problems, gear hopping, and eventually the loose triangle.

    all the chainsuck destroyed my swingarm behind the crank. so my LBS had fisher send me a new swingarm. open the box and surprised to see the swingarm from the cake 1. the carbon part looks great on my bike.

    loctited the bearings intot he frame. ever since it's been ok. i get the occaisional chainsuck but i use the tie wrap method for anti-chainsuck device. works great. only happens when it's really dirty.

    the loctited bearings and (more importantly) insertion of spacer in bb seems to also have solved the gear hopping. obviously the loose swingarm was affecting the chain alignment when cranking on the gears.

    i too suffered from weird creaking noises. the first time i traced it to the bb (removed bontrager, put in xt). when i pulled the cups out, all this water came with it! cleaned it up, relubed, replaced, problem solved.

    now i'm getting it again. but this time i think it's the headset. clean and regreased last nite so we'll see how it goes. that's the second time i had to relube my headset. the bottom bearing race is looking ruff tho...

    problem now? loose rear wheel.

    i've got over 1000 km's on my bike, but as i said, problems started at 0 km's

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    After the loose swingarm, a leaking Minute fork, and all the other Cake issues, now my bike too creaks like crazy, it seems to be the swingarm pivot in my case, maybe the BB, the headset is fine. I've said it before and I'll say it again: last Trek product I ever buy... It was my first and even if it's an isolated case (the model, not my particular bike), it's enough to convince me to get something else, and soon!

    Who wants a Medium Cake 1_DLX? I'm getting tired to have to work on the bike or take it to the shop every week or so.

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    ahaha, ya, for a while i was a daily visitor to my LBS. they know me anyways since i built their website, but to have me in there several time a week because of my bike was a bit annoying for both of us i'm sure.

    i requested a replacement bike since the problems on my bike still occur. i'm just waiting on the status of the situation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    After the loose swingarm, a leaking Minute fork, and all the other Cake issues, now my bike too creaks like crazy, it seems to be the swingarm pivot in my case, maybe the BB, the headset is fine. I've said it before and I'll say it again: last Trek product I ever buy... It was my first and even if it's an isolated case (the model, not my particular bike), it's enough to convince me to get something else, and soon!

    Who wants a Medium Cake 1_DLX? I'm getting tired to have to work on the bike or take it to the shop every week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    ahaha, ya, for a while i was a daily visitor to my LBS. they know me anyways since i built their website, but to have me in there several time a week because of my bike was a bit annoying for both of us i'm sure.

    i requested a replacement bike since the problems on my bike still occur. i'm just waiting on the status of the situation.
    I think I'm gonna try to sell it back to my LBS, but I won't buy my next bike from them, they don't carry the brand I want so they wont be too happy...

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    Lots of nagativity here.

    Cake sounds like crap. I don't think i'll buy a Trek in the future. First sugar, now cake, lots of drivetrain problems. I think trek should quit baking alltogether.

    Thats just the feeling i get from reading this thread. I am not trying to bash trek. My opinion is based mainly on that of others. That and my dad's sugar has issues.

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    My 2cents

    There's a lot of good feedback in this thread. It's too bad that so much of it is negative but, I suppose that's to be expected (you don't hear a ton of "happy" stories on the nightly news either). I've had my Cake 1DLX since May and I am anxiously happy with it; anxious becuase of all the things that I've read going wrong with other Cake's, sqeaks, creaks, leaks, skips, gouges, etc., and happy because the issues I'm having aren't affecting my riding. I went riding at a place called Sleepy Hollow in VT last week, where the trails are fast, flowing, and technical. The bike rode like a dream. I still can't get over the plushness of duel suspension (let alone the 5 inches)! It climbs great, even out of the saddle,and descends like x-country bike on steroids. I am contemplating removing the big ring and the crank spacer to get better alignment between the middle ring and the low sprockets. I prefer to ride in middle most of the time. The only thing I really wish it had at this point is an adjustable 5"-7" fork. The bike is really just a jacked-up x-country rig and descending would surely benefit from the slackness that 7" up front would create. So, that's my 2 cents...let's hope I didn't jinx myself.

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    Let's be positive

    Well, while I don't like the bike's bugs and flaws, I must say that when I ride it and ignore the sounds, it performs flawlessly. It corners like a kart, climbs quite easily with a ton of traction, descends better than any bike I ever tried and pedals very efficiently. I'm just disappointed by Trek's craftmanship, assembly ability and quality control. Some say that's what you get for being an early adopter, my bike was made in the first production run and even my LBS told me that minor issues were to be expected. When it's ok, it's almost the perfect bike for my taste.

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    i agree

    yep. i will agree that when i ride this bike, it rides like a dream. rocks, roots, whatever, bring it on! i've learned to climb with it, seated and standing.

    i can't go back to my hardtail. i rode my buddy's stumpjumper fsr and i'll have to say, cake wins! spv rules!

    rode tonite. the bike is making weird creaky noises. i'm totally hoping it's not coming from the bb. the threads are in ruff shape and i dont' think it will survive another removal. the last time was to place that spacer which solved the drive line issues.

    i always look forward to riding it but i dont' like thinking about the things that go wrong while i ride.

    why did i buy a first run/year bike? i wouldn't do it for a car!

    i know why. i couldn't resist!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Well, while I don't like the bike's bugs and flaws, I must say that when I ride it and ignore the sounds, it performs flawlessly. It corners like a kart, climbs quite easily with a ton of traction, descends better than any bike I ever tried and pedals very efficiently. I'm just disappointed by Trek's craftmanship, assembly ability and quality control. Some say that's what you get for being an early adopter, my bike was made in the first production run and even my LBS told me that minor issues were to be expected. When it's ok, it's almost the perfect bike for my taste.

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    warning about the wheels

    I forgot to mention that the skewers seem to loosen up on their own mysteriously. I am amazed that my wheels haven't fallen off while riding a couple of times. A buddy demoed a cake 1 at a race and his back wheel fell off. The wheels seem nice and look good but they are junk if you have to check for this before you ride. Bontrager wheels. I would never buy bontrager anything in the future. this bike is loaded with the crap. got rid of the bars right away. I still like riding this bike more than any other though.


    Man, my homegrown hardtail was built well - but a rough ride on the body.

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    bontrager wheels

    well, i have to say i haven't had the loose skewer effect yet.

    my rims have yet to be trued.

    my rear hub however....

    the wheel developed a little play so i had the shop tighten it. it was still a bit loose but i ignored it.

    then after a couple rides, i just checked the wheel and the wheel felt like it was falling apart. massive side to side play.

    took it to the shop. my cassette thingy on the hub was all loose. they disassembled my hub and tighened it all up. now it's all good.

    i've read stories about the bontrager wheels. that's my experience so far.

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    I have a Cake 3 DLX and I'm pretty encouraged by the messages here.

    For those of you who are reading this thread trying to determine whether you want a Cake or not, just notice how most of the messages end with "I have had problems, but this is the best bike I have rode."

    I have had a couple small issues with the chain suck and shifting issues, but that was cured when I had the LBS give me a great deal in upgrading the rear deraileur to an XT.

    I have to say hands down, this is the best bike I have ever ridden and when I'm on it, my confidence level sky rockets and I hit things I would not have on my other bikes.

    It's true that the stand over height is HIGH, but once your mounted, it seems ohh so natural.

    I love this bike and can't wait until a couple years in production to upgrade to a new Cake (more refined) which can only be a dream!

    If you're thinking, don't wait, but it now, you won't regret it!

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    upgrade as a solution?

    well, there's no way that i would pay to upgrade my deraileur to solve a problem that comes from factory or design.

    that's like buying a car and getting a good deal on a new transmission cuz the one that came with it doesn't quite work properly.

    i pay for a product, i want it to work. i shouldn't have to spend money after the sale to make it work.

    luckily i didn't have to. upgrading my crank was something i wanted to do anyways. well, i did pay for new chains cuz they keep getting bent from the chainsuck....



    Quote Originally Posted by Xao
    I have a Cake 3 DLX and I'm pretty encouraged by the messages here.

    For those of you who are reading this thread trying to determine whether you want a Cake or not, just notice how most of the messages end with "I have had problems, but this is the best bike I have rode."

    I have had a couple small issues with the chain suck and shifting issues, but that was cured when I had the LBS give me a great deal in upgrading the rear deraileur to an XT.

    I have to say hands down, this is the best bike I have ever ridden and when I'm on it, my confidence level sky rockets and I hit things I would not have on my other bikes.

    It's true that the stand over height is HIGH, but once your mounted, it seems ohh so natural.

    I love this bike and can't wait until a couple years in production to upgrade to a new Cake (more refined) which can only be a dream!

    If you're thinking, don't wait, but it now, you won't regret it!

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    But...

    I have had most of the problems go wrong with my Cake Dlx 3 that have been described here.
    Recap:
    Loctite problem: yes Trek fixed.
    Brake problems: Bled 3 times.
    Chainsuck: Numerous times, chainstay starting to look really bad, Trek sent the Bontranger Race crank and has been a lot better.
    Seatpost: kept slipping.

    Told my lbs that the next time I have to come in for a problem because of the design of the bike that I was going to trade it in. This was Saturday.

    Since then, have been out twice and it rode flawlessly. If it would continue to ride like this, I would definitely keep it. Everything is dialed in and have smoked my friends my last 2 outings. I have had high hopes for this bike ever since I got it (spent more on this bike than my last 2 combined) and I feel it was money well spent on days when everything is working. But, I just can't keep it out of the shop.

    I read in another post that a cake owner was blaming peoples riding abilities and I just can't believe that everyone that has had these problems are inadequate riders. I have ridden in 3 races this year and each of them I had to use a loaner from my lbs b/c mine was being worked on. I didn't have any problems on the loaners and they are the same trails I ride with my cake.

    But once again, I am faster and feel better on the cake when its riding like it has the past 2 nights. It really is a nice ride. I wouldn't recommend this years model to anybody but if the proper changes are made to this bike, next years model could be awesome. Heres hoping they make the changes. Still optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    well, there's no way that i would pay to upgrade my deraileur to solve a problem that comes from factory or design.

    that's like buying a car and getting a good deal on a new transmission cuz the one that came with it doesn't quite work properly.

    i pay for a product, i want it to work. i shouldn't have to spend money after the sale to make it work.

    luckily i didn't have to. upgrading my crank was something i wanted to do anyways. well, i did pay for new chains cuz they keep getting bent from the chainsuck....
    I guess I should have stipulated that I wanted to upgrade BEFORE I had the problem, it just gave me an excuse.

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    24 hour race on a cake 2 dlx

    So I just finished racing my third 24 hour (4 man team-sport class)
    and the previous 2 were done on alum hardtail w/ 3" fork.
    I can actually walk after the race this year, the cake performed beautifully.
    I think this bike was made for this type of duty.

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    I just got back from riding my Cake at Mammoth Mountain, in California, on XC/DH trails ranging from rolling/brake rutted pumice singletracks at high speed to gnarly XC descents to the actual "double black diamond" DH courses (but I skipped the 20'+ drops...ho ho).

    I had an issue with my Avid Juicy brakes, but since those aren't stock I'll leave that out.

    The Cake was definitely in it's element. Climbing was great (not counting the wheeze factor at 10,000' ) and descending the rocky, rolling, rock/root drop filled trails was excellent on a 5x5. The Minute is a great fork, the Swinger acts plush, gave full travel but doesn't bottom harshly at all --in fact, my travel-indicator o-ring was pushed to the very edge of the shaft, but I never felt the bike bottom. The high bottom bracket that I curse on steep climbs is excellent on rocky descents, and hey...the seat can be dropped plenty low, as I did.

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    One Sweet Ride

    Sounds like it was a good weekend for everyone. I just got back from an epic ride in the Belknap mountains, NH. A fair amount of hike-a-bike but, soooo worth it for the downhill. Lot's of technical descents and slabby trials playgrounds, and of course grueling uphills. The Cake performed flawlessly. It has definately given me the courage to start dropping lines I would have hemmed and hawed about before. The 5x5 is great but I'm now looking into the Sherman Breakout Plus (130-170mm travel) to make it an even better perfoming freeride machine. I second EBasil's comment about dropping the seat. I pretty much bottom it out for descents. It adds, what seems like, about a foot of travel and makes you feel like a kid riding your old schwinn.

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    fork

    a couple weeks ago i was riding along dealing with some shifting noises and all of a sudden the deraileur went into the spokes and a chain link bent half off. Ipulled over and fixed, but it was trying to do it again. So the lbs found a bent deraileur hanger that was my fault because of the small scratch on the deraileur. It is fixed.

    This weekend the fork started dripping oil after one of the rides. Now my bike is in the shop until they can get it fixed.

    This is going to suck when my warranty runs out. I need to find a good deal on a xt deraileur - it looks kinda bent.

    I really like riding this bike, I don't know what could compare to it if i were to buy something else?

    Sometimes I look at it and see all the bontrager labels and think it is a bontrager piece of junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    a couple weeks ago i was riding along dealing with some shifting noises and all of a sudden the deraileur went into the spokes and a chain link bent half off. Ipulled over and fixed, but it was trying to do it again. So the lbs found a bent deraileur hanger that was my fault because of the small scratch on the deraileur. It is fixed.

    This weekend the fork started dripping oil after one of the rides. Now my bike is in the shop until they can get it fixed.

    This is going to suck when my warranty runs out. I need to find a good deal on a xt deraileur - it looks kinda bent.

    I really like riding this bike, I don't know what could compare to it if i were to buy something else?

    Sometimes I look at it and see all the bontrager labels and think it is a bontrager piece of junk.
    I have no complaints about the Bontrager stuff, wheels are strong, bars, stem and seatpost do their job fine. Do you have a particular problem with the Bontrager parts? I have a dripping fork too and even after a LBS fix, and me putting a good amount of grease on the bolt, it still drips very slowly.

    I too am scared to have that bike once the warranty runs out so I'll probably sell it before it does, this bike rides great but it's just too much trouble.

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    werd

    werd.

    hopefully it won't be hard to find someone not informed about these threads on the cake to buy it.

    the good thing is, i paid very little for my cake. bartering is fun! so, i'll try painting the chainsuck scratches, and selling it very, very close to local retail price. nobody needs to know i put on 1100 + km's on it this summer....

    i'm thinkin heckler, enduro sx, or.... 2005 cake!



    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    I have no complaints about the Bontrager stuff, wheels are strong, bars, stem and seatpost do their job fine. Do you have a particular problem with the Bontrager parts? I have a dripping fork too and even after a LBS fix, and me putting a good amount of grease on the bolt, it still drips very slowly.

    I too am scared to have that bike once the warranty runs out so I'll probably sell it before it does, this bike rides great but it's just too much trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    werd.

    hopefully it won't be hard to find someone not informed about these threads on the cake to buy it.

    the good thing is, i paid very little for my cake. bartering is fun! so, i'll try painting the chainsuck scratches, and selling it very, very close to local retail price. nobody needs to know i put on 1100 + km's on it this summer....

    i'm thinkin heckler, enduro sx, or.... 2005 cake!
    I'm not unhappy either, I had over $1K took off the price when I bought it in the spring but I'll stay away from the Cake, wonderful as it is, I learned my lesson... or did I? I'm pretty much decided on the Cannondale Prophet, another first year model, but I have always had good experience with them.

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    Geometry diff between '04 and '05 Cakes

    I had heard that the '05 Cakes had a lower BB and lower standover height. Is this true? What are the geometry differences between the '04 and '05 Cakes?

    The website specs list them as being exactly the same. The pictures look very much the same.

    Also, anyone heard about any changes to help the chainsuck in the DLX 2?

    Thanks
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    chain suck

    I had trouble with the wheels skewers loosening up and the hubs were loose. I swapped out the bars. and the rest of bontrager are parts that could be any part. Except for the cranks. I took a part my chainrings last night and when I loosened the large the middle popped off like a spring. When I put the middle up against the crank two of the holes line up then you can rocker it on those two points with about a 1/4 inch of play. Now I am not sure if this is normal yet or if it is the ring or the crank that may be warped. I am wondering if this is the cause of the chain suck and shifting problems. I have not had a problem with the swing arm yet.

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    price

    I sure would like the deals you guys got. I paid full price for mine. No one will deal around here - it is like the lbs's have an agreement not to go under a price. They offer different services to get you to buy from them.

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    getting a deal

    Jim,

    The strategy that I took when I bought my Cake1DLX was to cruise the net for the best advertised price (turned out to be some place in CO, selling them for $2,600) and told my LBS that I could get one for that price. I told them I don't mind paying a little extra to avoid shipping and handling but I wasn't about to throw my money away. It helps if you know something about bike maintainence, in case you do end up buying it from a remote shop and can't in good conscience take it to your LBS for tune-ups, etc. It also helps to have a good natured approach to negotiating with your LBS ( i.e. no veiled threats, just an honest explanation of you situation). In my opinion, it's a rare case that you should be paying actual MSRP.

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    deal

    I was wrong. I did not pay retail. All the bike shops were selling at 200 below suggested retail. Maybe that is a good deal.

    My cake rode great this weekend. no problems.

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    oh ya?

    mine rode great the first ride or 2

    time will tell....

    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    I was wrong. I did not pay retail. All the bike shops were selling at 200 below suggested retail. Maybe that is a good deal.

    My cake rode great this weekend. no problems.

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    I got another weekend on the XC and descent trails in Mammoth, including an opportunity to preride big sections of the Mens Expert XC course for the upcoming NORBA finals on Sept. 25th. This time, with my Avid Juicy issues resolved before arriving, the bike was great and dialed-in perfectly for long XC/descent rides. I did have chainsuck at the end of the second day, after my chain got very dirty. I stopped and wiped it down with Kleenex, and the ProLink shed the dust...no more chain issues and I relubed that evening.



    Component-wise, I'm impressed with the Bontrager wheelset: it's taken quite a beating and maintained trueness. I haven't had machine-built wheels in a long time, and I'm pleased with these. The Manitou shock and fork are still doing great (particularly since I swapped the heavier spring into the Minute).

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    Hard to judge...

    When i first saw the Cake's i knew i had to have one. I honestly have not been mt biking for very long. I own a hardtail fisher that i truly love. That bike took such a beating had such great geometry i took a chance on buying the cake dlx3 off ebay (for about $400 less than retail).

    After building the bike, i had some issues getting the rear fork set properly. Not sure if other have experienced issues with the pressure not seeming to 'hold' at least according to the gauge on the pump. Either way...i didnt need to replace it, and it's seemingly ok...but i couldnt really follow the instructions.

    I did have extreme chain sux, even just pedaling around my driveaway...to the point of bending my chain. I bought a better chain, and it happens less frequently. Adding a spacer has kept the frame/chain from taking damage.

    I also do not like how high the bb is...but i guess that's to b expected with 5 inches of travel...but it has taken me some time to get used to being so 'high'. I have gotten used to it over time...and knock wood havent taken as many spills as i used to. The bad here though is that i find it a lot harder to get going once i've lost my footing, especially in hairy areas(where one commonly looses' there footing). On the plus side, i find i can really hammer through some areas that once caused me issues, especially rock gardens.

    The real plus of this bike is def the travel and it's nimbleness on decsents. i truly cruise the single track downhills and the bike really handles dropouts extremely well. If i can say anything, it's that the bike simply eats up drops like nobody's business.

    The hayes disc brakes are also super sweet. The truly stop the bike on a dime...

    Probably too much to read for most, but what is the 'Loctite' issue? I dont SEE any evidence of rubbing but when i do go over drops, even small ones...i HEAR what sounds like rubbing...though i can't say it really has any negative effects...it's just kind of strange.

    I don't work for fisher....and am not going to praise the bike to the point where i'd say RUN out and buy one...i honestly havent sampled enough other bikes to make that suggestion. i can say that i bike with friends that are in similiar 'shape' as myself...and i tend to be at least the the second to the top of the hill and feel i could be the first to the bottom on this bike. There are times when i'm biking and ripping over obstacles that i think 'damn...i love this bike'. But it certainly has it's flaws...and maybe i could be on a more 'bug' free bike and be thinking the same thing...or maybe not :-)
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    [QUOTE=darlok]
    Probably too much to read for most, but what is the 'Loctite' issue? I dont SEE any evidence of rubbing but when i do go over drops, even small ones...i HEAR what sounds like rubbing...though i can't say it really has any negative effects...it's just kind of strange.

    QUOTE]

    Ah, everyones favorite Cake subject. The loctite issue. You will know it when it happens.
    If you don't know what it is, then it has not happened to your bike... yet.

    Basically the bearings in the swing arm on some of the first generation cakes where placed after the loctite had been allowed to set for too long, which resulted in them not being properly seated. They would come loose after a few hard drops and suddenly you would find that the bike not only had a rear end with 5" of vertical travel, but that it had developed about 2" of horizontal travel as well... not fun. Its an easy fix though, and every fisher dealer can deal with it quickly by now.

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    chain

    anyone suggest the best chain to use with the cake 2dlx? (from experience)

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    i use a sram pc-59. i broke thru several shimano hg-73 and 93's. mainly cuz of the chainsuck from the loctite debacle.

    since i got that resolved i haven't broken a chain. i did have a couple incidences of chainsuck but i'm pretty sure that's related to dirt, but the chain survived.

    i choose the sram cuz it was cheaper, and more convenient to use since i'm constantly trying to keep the drivetrain clean. the powerlink is very useful.

    i have come across seveal people who have used the power link on shimano chains with no problems but i'm a bit skeptical on that one. i dont' see how it would cause problems but i'm not really sure i want to find out the hardway. but i do keep extra powerlinks in the camelbak and it has come in handy for a fellow rider who broke their shimano chain.



    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    anyone suggest the best chain to use with the cake 2dlx? (from experience)

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    noise

    Thanks for the chain info, I'll check it out.

    My frame shock is making ticking noises where it attaches to the frame at the very front of the shock. It happens when i push down on the seat and when i ride it is really bad.

    anyone know what may be causing this or how to fix?

    I thought it was the headset but when i looked at the headset and put it back together the ticking in that area stopped. and i greased the seatpost to make the ticking in that area stop. Oh, my 2nd headset is shot - it was an upgraded cane creak - i won't be buying a cane creak again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    My frame shock is making ticking noises where it attaches to the frame at the very front of the shock. It happens when i push down on the seat and when i ride it is really bad.

    anyone know what may be causing this or how to fix?

    I thought it was the headset but when i looked at the headset and put it back together the ticking in that area stopped. and i greased the seatpost to make the ticking in that area stop. Oh, my 2nd headset is shot - it was an upgraded cane creak - i won't be buying a cane creak again.
    I have the same noise, not sure if it's the shock mounts, the swingarm pivot or the BB. I can't say it bothers me too much but it may not be as bad as yours. Probably just some dirt somewhere in one of those area.

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    same here. but it doesn't happen all the time. i think it has something to do with the cables near the front of the top tube. i can reproduce the sound when i move them around but not sure if that's all caused by it.

    what i'm gettig now is a loose swingarm in a vertical motion. it's caused by the shock mounts. when i undo, then retighten the mounts, the swingarm is solid as a rock.

    after my rides however, it's all loose. when i bounce the rear of the bike (not seated), there is an annoying rattle. it's like there's play in the rear shock mount bold and the bushings or something. i just keep retighteing it. dont' want to go too tight since i broke the bolt last time.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    I have the same noise, not sure if it's the shock mounts, the swingarm pivot or the BB. I can't say it bothers me too much but it may not be as bad as yours. Probably just some dirt somewhere in one of those area.

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    Maybe those bolts need a little Loctite...

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    no loctite

    i do that.

    after the stuff cures i bolt it on and once my ride is over, ti's loose. the bolts are still tight, that's not what comes loose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Maybe those bolts need a little Loctite...

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    Yet another Cake issue!

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    Just thought I would say thanks to all the Cake owners here that were honest about the Cake and posted the issues they have had. I really wanted a Cake and enjoyed the demo rides on the local trails here in GA but after reading about the issues most of you seem to have it got me looking in to other brands for a 5 inch trail bike.

    I ended up not getting a Cake and found a bike I really love, I would have not even looked at other bikes and bought a Cake and missed out on my new ride.

    Thanks and I really hope the Cake ends up living up to its name for you all as it can and I am sure will be a great bike once the bugs are worked out.

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    So, what did you get?

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    I picked up an S-works Enduro

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    holy crap, is that even in the same price range as the cakes???

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    holy crap, is that even in the same price range as the cakes???
    Not at all, the 05 S-Works Enduro has a 5500$ MSRP !

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    I got it for $3400 out the door.

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    shock tightening

    I have been trying to fix my tickking noises near the front shock. I took the shock off the frame to clean and the bolt on the rear was corroded in th middle. I cleaned for now and plan to replace because it has worn through the finish. Does anyone know how tight I need to tighten the two bolts holding the shock to the frame? I was thinking the shock needs to move on that bolt a little? So I tightened until it started to have a slight resistance to movement but did not have play from side to side. Is this correct?

    This did not fix the noise yet. And I do know about the cable noises - they sound similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    I have been trying to fix my tickking noises near the front shock. I took the shock off the frame to clean and the bolt on the rear was corroded in th middle. I cleaned for now and plan to replace because it has worn through the finish. Does anyone know how tight I need to tighten the two bolts holding the shock to the frame? I was thinking the shock needs to move on that bolt a little? So I tightened until it started to have a slight resistance to movement but did not have play from side to side. Is this correct?

    This did not fix the noise yet. And I do know about the cable noises - they sound similar.
    It should not have any vertical movement at all. It should be firm enough that there is a bit of tension when it rolls left to right, but the action should be completely smooth.

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    shock info

    i have the vertical movement on my rear shock mount bolt. fisher rep comin in to my town on thursday and will check it out. gonna drop the list of other problems i've had. already mention of a discounted '05 cake... if i sell my current one! as if!

    i made a warranty claim 3 weeks agon on one of my wheels. the guy didn't bother sending it, decides that he'd wait till he come to town to give it to me. mean while, i'm riding on a messed up rear hub, even risked it by goin on my bike trip! luckily nothing happened.

    anyways, i'm thinking my bolt mounts are messsed. i think the bushings are digging some grooves into the swingarm mounts, and that's what is causing the free play on that mount. i can tighten it up and it will be fine, but as soon as i start riding, it loosens up again.

    anyways, find the attached pdf that fisher sent me for the rear suspension assembly. it has all the torque specs for the bolts.

    www.andyyu.com/cake.pdf

    good luck, will let u guys know what the fisher guy says about my bike.


    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    I have been trying to fix my tickking noises near the front shock. I took the shock off the frame to clean and the bolt on the rear was corroded in th middle. I cleaned for now and plan to replace because it has worn through the finish. Does anyone know how tight I need to tighten the two bolts holding the shock to the frame? I was thinking the shock needs to move on that bolt a little? So I tightened until it started to have a slight resistance to movement but did not have play from side to side. Is this correct?

    This did not fix the noise yet. And I do know about the cable noises - they sound similar.

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    So if I tighten the rear bolt and the front bolt is not in yet It should be difficult to lift the shock up at the front?

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    Thanks for the diagram that explains it all well.

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    Good job! PDF for Rear Triangle

    Cool move, posting the PDF on the rear triangle assembly, Nuker!! Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    Thanks for the diagram that explains it all well.

    When you said front shock on the post up above I thought you were talking about the forks and the headset assembly.... had me giving wrong information.

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    rear shock grease?

    does anyone no if the rear shock should be greased anywhere when bolting it onto the frame? when i removed it, i didn't notice any old grease from manufacturer. i cleaned it up and it still creaks in that area. it is very loud when i ride - i can't sneak up on anyone.
    i plan on bringing to lbs, but waiting for snow to stop me from riding, (could be soon.)

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    no lube for the bushings

    apparently you are not supposed to lube the bushings for the shock. it is coated with a lube already, and additional lube will cause premature wear.

    be sure that is the area that is creaking. check the seatpost, bb, and headset.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    does anyone no if the rear shock should be greased anywhere when bolting it onto the frame? when i removed it, i didn't notice any old grease from manufacturer. i cleaned it up and it still creaks in that area. it is very loud when i ride - i can't sneak up on anyone.
    i plan on bringing to lbs, but waiting for snow to stop me from riding, (could be soon.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    apparently you are not supposed to lube the bushings for the shock. it is coated with a lube already, and additional lube will cause premature wear.

    be sure that is the area that is creaking. check the seatpost, bb, and headset.

    Thanks. I hope I didn't wipe off their lube when I cleaned the bolts running through the shock. I'll have to check the bb. I am on my 3rd headset and i know when that is the problem and have greased up the seatpost problem. It really seems like it is coming from the front of the rear shock on the frame. I think i can feel the creaks with my hand in that area while pedalling. Can you tear a part the bb and re-grease or is it something that has to be replaced? (maybe its under warranty - right, they'll tell me its my fault)

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    Ticking? or Creaking?

    jimonthecake,

    Are you hearing / feeling a ticking noise? or a creaking noise? I had a fair amount of creaking a while back and it turned out to be the saddle rails. Tightening up the saddle/seatpost connection helped but, I still get occassional creaking, especially when I'm way out on the nose of the saddle.

    Just recently I did experience an odd ticking noise that only occured when pedaling under load (i.e. no noise when "soft" pedaling). It sounded like a cross between the noise the rear cassette makes when back-pedaling and the sound of the chain trying to jump sprockets. At the time, I was almost positive that the noise was coming from the b.b. I subsequently made some adjustments to the rear deraileur and I haven't heard the ticking again.

    On a side note, due to the extreme chainline angle on the Cake (or any Genesis bike for that matter) I've found that it's vitally important to keep the rear deraileur properly adjusted. It really helps with minimizing "mystery shifts", chain suck, etc. In my case, it also didn't help that the factory used too short a length of cable housing for the loop going into the derailuer, such that the the cable enters the deraileur at an angle.

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    [QUOTE=Orthoptera]jimonthecake,

    Are you hearing / feeling a ticking noise? or a creaking noise? I had a fair amount of creaking a while back and it turned out to be the saddle rails. Tightening up the saddle/seatpost connection helped but, I still get occassional creaking, especially when I'm way out on the nose of the saddle.

    ___________________________________

    I had the same problem with the seat rails already. Kind of wierd since I am using the seat from my last bike that never had the problem. Must be the bontrager seat post causing this. I have my drivetrain adjusted by lbs occasionally because they give you lifetime adjustments if you buy from them. The noises are very loud my friends say they can here it as we ride through the woods. The noises increase a lot when climbing. It sounds like old rusty springs being bounced on.

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    Demo 2005 Cake 3DLX - My thoughts.

    Gary fisher was kind enough to send a 2005 Cake 3DLX demo bike while my dad is getting his '02 sugar warrantied. I was really excited to try the bike. Combined, me and my dad have put a good # of km on it so i feel i have enough evidence to do a review of sorts. The 2005 models are not posted under the review section so i'll just dump my review here.

    The good:

    Suspension. The Black Elite 120 fork has a few adjustments so you can tune it a little bit. Good amount of travel and does not bottom out under my 145lbs. Swinger rear shock, it gets a lot of positive feedback, and it deserves it. It's highly adjustable. Component selection is well done for the bottom of the DLX line. Jones 2.2 tires are good in a variety of conditions.

    The Bad:

    Chainsuck. It is a problem. Has not been terrible but it does occur more than it should. The cable routing is not ideal either. Rear hydro line pops out of its spot. Standover clearence is very low. High top tube.

    Similar Products tried:

    '02 sugar

    Bike Set Up:

    All stock.

    Bottom line:

    Overall, I was much more impressed with the bike than i thought i would be. I have an XC HT with only 80mm travel up front, so i thought that i would find the ~5" to be excessively squishy. However, the cake's suspention is highly tuneable, so you can make it as firm or as compliant as you want, and everywhere inbetween. That really impressed me. I have never used hydro brakes much in the past so it was neat to try the hayes. The light lever feel is really neat. You do not need to squeeze the levers hard at all, and the big rotor up front gives the bike a real mean look. I was very impressed with the bontrager jones tires. the knobies gripped really well, even in the mud, and the frame did not catch too much mud either. but all the good comes with its drawbacks. the cable routing to the rear der. goes around some really hard corners, and i could tell that i needed to push the levers harder than i do on my HT. Also the rear hydro hose does not stay put. Not a big deal but gary should not leave the bike like that. Chainsuck occured a few times. Once it got jamed and bent the chain as well as a tooth on the middle ring. the suspension needed to be compressed in order to get the chain free. NOT GOOD. Cs occured several times. The chainstay is way to close, and is pretty gouged already and it is only a demo bike. There were signs of cs before i even rode the bike, so it's not just me. Keeping the chain lubed and clean helps, but this is a MTB so a clean chain is not always possible. my giant HT is a 21 inch frame and i think it fits me well. this bike is a 17.5 and i feel good riding it, but the top tube does not give me enough "clearence" this could result in pain if not careful. All in all the bike impressed me, but it is not something that i would buy. The drivetrain issues are not good, and i don't think that i would get a 5" bike because the trails I ride just are not that rough to need all the cush that is availible. The high degree of suspention tuneability definitely does qualify the cake as an able "all mountain" bike.

    The End.



    Edit. One more thing i forgot to mention. The fork leaks a little bit of oil from where the rebound knob is. I don't think that that is a good thing. Not sure if it is common with the fork or not...
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    Me Too...I got to DEMO a cake

    Hi,

    Yeah, I also got to take a Cake out for a Demo on the trails. No Chain Suck, but I knew the trails, so knew when and where to shift. I currently ride a Sugar, so I was expecting a similar ride with the cake. Not so, the Cake felt sluggish. Not a bad thing, but my first impression. It climbed well, but started to wander a bit when things got steep. I didi like the higher bottom bracket when hitting some big logs, the clearance was nice. Descending, definitely a little better than the sugar. More plush.

    As I was riding my Sugar today, I could tell how much snappier it felt than the cake. 5", even with SPV, will take some energy to move.

    I have been trying to decide whether to buy a cake or not, but it is a toss up right now. The '05 Trek Liquid is starting to look appealing for not a lot more money. I also tried a stumpy 120, not bad, not bad.

    Oh yeah, f anyone is in the Norther Virginia area, Hudson Trail Outfitters has a '04 Medium Cake (LX, V-Brakes, but still with Swinger) still for about $990.

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    The weight of the cake?

    I haven't seen the frame weight for the cake? does anyone know what a large Cake weighs?

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    Cake in VT

    I wanted to post a quick follow up to my original review. I took my cake 3dlx to vermont during the first week in october(the last day of biking seasoning there) and must say that what was a miserable experience last year on my hardtail was totally killer on the cake.

    This bike was seemingly designed to handle this type of environment and terrain. I ate up the drops and my descents were so quick and nimble i caught myself doing panic brakes.

    Overall i would say the bike performed like a champ on the slopes in killington and those two days of riding were the best i've had in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darlok
    I wanted to post a quick follow up to my original review. I took my cake 3dlx to vermont during the first week in october(the last day of biking seasoning there) and must say that what was a miserable experience last year on my hardtail was totally killer on the cake.

    This bike was seemingly designed to handle this type of environment and terrain. I ate up the drops and my descents were so quick and nimble i caught myself doing panic brakes.
    I know what you mean! I took my Cake to Mammoth, in California, where I had never ridden an FS bike, but had a lot of miles on my HT. After two days of riding there, I swore I'd never bother taking the HT on the gnarly trails again! The Cake really shines on the combo XC/descent trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orthoptera
    jimonthecake,

    Are you hearing / feeling a ticking noise? or a creaking noise? I had a fair amount of creaking a while back and it turned out to be the saddle rails. Tightening up the saddle/seatpost connection helped but, I still get occassional creaking, especially when I'm way out on the nose of the saddle.

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    I had the same problem with the seat rails already. Kind of wierd since I am using the seat from my last bike that never had the problem. Must be the bontrager seat post causing this. I have my drivetrain adjusted by lbs occasionally because they give you lifetime adjustments if you buy from them. The noises are very loud my friends say they can here it as we ride through the woods. The noises increase a lot when climbing. It sounds like old rusty springs being bounced on.
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    i forgot to update on this in this thread...

    My cake was making a lot of creaking noises. The shop installed the pivot upgrade that some of you have mentioned and it all went away. Now it rides like new - very quiet and smooth. What a huge difference.

    Just wanted to update those that were trying to guess what was causing it. Thanks for the support.

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    Listen! '05 Update info

    Thanks to Struckman, we have the definitive answer, straight from Fisher, on their letterhead. Here's what it says:

    1. There will be a mid-year modification to the 2005 Cakes, with new model number codes but the same paint jobs and names, ie Cake 1 DLX, Cake 2, whatnot. The midyear update has a "refined" frame design:
    --dropped top tube that we saw in photos
    --revised cable routing to accomodate the new top tube
    --3-bearing main pivot

    2. Pree-mid-year-update '05 Cakes all feature revised pivots:
    --"Full bearing contact pivot forging (new for 2005)"
    --tighter tolerance bearings
    --"high torque" pivot bolt
    --pin spanner-ready pivot axle
    --Dealers get these bikes at a mid-year discount.

    3. ALL DEALERS can get a FREE upgrade kit for any older Cake with pivot problems. It's free and includes:
    --new bearings, the larger ones
    --the hi-torque pivot bolt (presumably so you can cinch it down tighter
    --the spanner-ready pivot axle.
    --the part number for dealers to ask for is: 261425
    --Fisher says these upgrades WORK, and that this information is public, but will only be honored through dealers.

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    I can't seem to edit my post, but i just thought i'd add a picture.

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    Has anyone gotten the free pivot upgrade kit yet? My 1 dlx swingarm is constantly loose, despite two complete rebuilds using bearing retainer.

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    Jessep,

    I just asked my LBS to put in an order for the "upgrade" kit. Ironically, when they called GF to request the kit the rep. was still in the "deny-we-have-a-problem" mode and refused to admit that there is such a thing. My guy's going to try to reach someone whose a little more in the know. I'm hoping to have the kit installed by next week.

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    I know the feeling

    I have a Cake 2 DLX and i have rode it every where for over a year. There are some simple things that do need to be fixed like the cable runs. I have never had any problem with chain suck at all. I have adventure raced this bike, and taken it to Moab. It really can do everything. As much as we complain about small things there is no other bike with 5 in of travel that weights in the low 27's. I have had problems with the rear waving all over the place. There is a retro fit kit that you can get from fisher. I have yet to see a flawless bike. So give and take some. All around the Cake is a pretty sweet set up. Its not for everyone. I love the bike which doesnt make it the best out there. Its fast, can climb, and can take the hits of Moab.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessep
    Has anyone gotten the free pivot upgrade kit yet? My 1 dlx swingarm is constantly loose, despite two complete rebuilds using bearing retainer.
    I had the pivot come loose on my 2005 3dlx. There was no loctite on one bearing and less than 25% coverage on the other. I repaired using the loctite 240 as specified by the fisher retro kit literature. When I contacted fisher I was told about the upgrade kit and given the service bulletin but they said they didn't have any kits available and didn't know when they might come in. My lbs then called them and they said they would send one. It arrived, well, part of it. All they sent was the large aluminum pivot with a larger bolt (higher torque spec) and a few holes drilled in it so a spanner wrench can be used to hold it when tightening/removing. No bearings or spacer were included, even though the fisher literature specifically says that the bearings on the new upgrade are larger to make a tighter fit. Actually, the way it's worded is "Everything is different". To top it off, the aluminum part I received looked like it had been laying around in someones toolbox, it had lots of discoloration and just plain looked like crap. My lbs guy called fisher and was told that the bearings weren't really "that important" to the upgrade and that if I had further problems they would do whatever it takes to make me happy... How about sending the proper f-ing upgrade kit????? I have to say that so far fisher customer service has been pretty weak. I've had to kick and scream just to get a crappy looking part of an upgrade kit. For now i'm just going to shake my head, let lots of people know of my experience and ride on. Too bad their customer service is sooo bad, I really like the bike. Not sure I could lay out that much cash again though for a bike that is so poorly backed.

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    I just called my buddy at the LBS and he's going to see what's up with the kit when he talks to the Fisher rep. I should have some good info soon hopefully...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessep
    I just called my buddy at the LBS and he's going to see what's up with the kit when he talks to the Fisher rep. I should have some good info soon hopefully...

    ya my LBS ordered my kit for me a few weeks ago but no word on it

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    They fixed the cable routing up a bit for the updated versions, along with the pivot thing. I agree, this bike is one of the best out there.

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    I thought cable routing was horrible. I hate the fact of high standover with cables across the top. The hydraulic line really bothered me flapping all over the place.

    I removed the line holder from the front line to secure the rear line to the top tube. MUCH better and cleaner. I have a loose zip tie on the front line to hold it in place.
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    Getting Ready to Buy

    I'm going to be (most likely) purchasing a Cake 3 DLX this Friday and I was wondering if someone with one of the new 2005 models could comment. I am curious if all of the issues mentioned above have been worked out to your satisfaction? I'm new too mountain biking and really don't want to have a bike which I'm constantly having to fiddle with (at this point I'm more interested in learning to ride) or having to constantly take back to the LBS for repairs. I appreciate any info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegetchell
    I'm going to be (most likely) purchasing a Cake 3 DLX this Friday and I was wondering if someone with one of the new 2005 models could comment. I am curious if all of the issues mentioned above have been worked out to your satisfaction? I'm new too mountain biking and really don't want to have a bike which I'm constantly having to fiddle with (at this point I'm more interested in learning to ride) or having to constantly take back to the LBS for repairs. I appreciate any info!
    I love my Cake3 (not DLX). I had some buyers remorse but after looking around, I realized I made the best choice. My Cake is fast on the trails and handles my 207# fine. I had 3 chain sucks (first one scared the hell outta me) but that was fixed with the zip tie technique. The only issue I have right now is creaking from the wheels. Other than that everything is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abegetchell
    I'm going to be (most likely) purchasing a Cake 3 DLX this Friday and I was wondering if someone with one of the new 2005 models could comment. I am curious if all of the issues mentioned above have been worked out to your satisfaction? I'm new too mountain biking and really don't want to have a bike which I'm constantly having to fiddle with (at this point I'm more interested in learning to ride) or having to constantly take back to the LBS for repairs. I appreciate any info!
    I wouldn't trade my '05 cake 3 dlx for any other bike in the same price range. Pivot: fixed. Chainsuck: minor nuisance. Ability to ride over and down things I really shouldn't: priceless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    I love my Cake3 (not DLX). I had some buyers remorse but after looking around, I realized I made the best choice. My Cake is fast on the trails and handles my 207# fine. I had 3 chain sucks (first one scared the hell outta me) but that was fixed with the zip tie technique. The only issue I have right now is creaking from the wheels. Other than that everything is perfect.
    I have heard of the zip tie mod, but never seen it.

    Anyone have a picture of where to put that tie?

    Ive had two bad chain loss episodes, on one I had to let the air out of the shock to get home.

    Told LBS about the chain suck problem, they said dont believe everything you read on MTBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CakeWalk
    I have heard of the zip tie mod, but never seen it.

    Anyone have a picture of where to put that tie?

    Ive had two bad chain loss episodes, on one I had to let the air out of the shock to get home.

    Told LBS about the chain suck problem, they said dont believe everything you read on MTBR.
    I'm going riding this afternoon and will try to remeber and take a pic. of the cable tie. It definately works. If you have had a couple of chainsuck episodes, be sure to check your chain and chainrings to be sure they haven't gotten bent. Mine were after a few sucks and things just kept getting worse. I straightened the chainrings, deburred them, and replaced the chain before I got the cable tie on and the issue resolved. Haven't had any suck issues in the last 4 months.

    Best of luck, sorry to hear the deal blew you off. You won't find Fisher reps. any more helpful in my experience. They will just tell you how many different ways chainsuck can happen and basically blow off any responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CakeWalk
    I have heard of the zip tie mod, but never seen it.

    Anyone have a picture of where to put that tie?

    Ive had two bad chain loss episodes, on one I had to let the air out of the shock to get home.

    Told LBS about the chain suck problem, they said dont believe everything you read on MTBR.
    Took a little while, but I figured out how to make the pics small enough to post, so here you go....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentang4
    Took a little while, but I figured out how to make the pics small enough to post, so here you go....
    Thank you!

    I see your frame has taken a lot of chain slap, would a lizzard skin help in any way?

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    A lizard skin might help, but I'm not too worried about it. It is mostly cosmetic. The area that has suffered the most is along the side of the chainstay from the early chainsuck episodes, there are some pretty good gouges there. The bottom area that gets the slap really hasn't chewed the metal, just chipped the paint. While I love my bike and take good care of it mechanically, I don't get too wound up about cosmetics. I consider it to be a cost of doing business.

    Are you still running a third chainring up front? When I had the third ring, the cable tie was positioned to almost touch it. Basically just get it in the way of the chains path between the ring and the frame. I dropped the big ring because I ride the same area all the time and it just wasn't necessary. I rarely used it.

    Good luck, I hope the cable tie helps your situation as much as it has mine.

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    Chain Blocker

    Here's another good pic. of the "Zip-tie Chain Blocker". I put two of them on becuase the zip-ties have a tendency to rotate after a while. The best solution might be to secure a little strip of rubber under the zip-tie before you tighten it. That should cancel out the rotation.
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    my 04 frame started creaking again and it turns out i need a new swing arm. when they removed it it sprung outward past the tolerance. If you measure the swing arm pivot bearing, you have to measure when it is off the bike. goodbye creaking.

    so those tie straps really work, huh? I'll have to try it to keep my new swing arm from scratching up down there. thanks for the good picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentang4
    A lizard skin might help, but I'm not too worried about it. It is mostly cosmetic. The area that has suffered the most is along the side of the chainstay from the early chainsuck episodes, there are some pretty good gouges there. The bottom area that gets the slap really hasn't chewed the metal, just chipped the paint. While I love my bike and take good care of it mechanically, I don't get too wound up about cosmetics. I consider it to be a cost of doing business.

    Are you still running a third chainring up front? When I had the third ring, the cable tie was positioned to almost touch it. Basically just get it in the way of the chains path between the ring and the frame. I dropped the big ring because I ride the same area all the time and it just wasn't necessary. I rarely used it.

    Good luck, I hope the cable tie helps your situation as much as it has mine.
    I fully need all 3 rings, the bike will see some really steep hills, and will also be used with slick tires for smooth beach rides.

    Thx for the pics, that shows me right where to put the tie.

    I think I will get the lizard skin, if nothing else it should quiet the chainslap on the big hits.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Update on the '04 rear triangle issues

    --Fisher published a memo to all dealers admitting the design change to the '05 swingarms and advertising that they would give 2 of the newer, slightly larger bearings, the new pivot pin and the new pivot bolts to any Cake owner for free, as a permanent retrofit repair. The Dealer Announcement reads:

    "3) OLD CAKE, NEW FIX
    For 2003 and 2004 Cake models that have developed play in the main pivot we offer
    FREE pivot repair kits (261425) to remedy any problematic bikes. Our technical
    support staff can answer any questions about repair. Installation of this pivot repair kit is
    quick and effective, it includes:
    Tighter tolerance 25mm cartridge bearings
    High torque spec pivot bolt
    Pin spanner ready pivot axle
    Please review this information with your staff to ensure that your customers receive
    accurate information if they come to you with questions. We will openly provide this
    information to consumers if they contact us but all servicing must be done by an
    authorized dealer.
    "

    --Now, Fisher dealer reps and online Customer service are claiming the loctite is all that's needed, even where a previous application has failed, and that "there is no such repair kit". However, under repeated inquiry, a Customer Service rep admitted yesterday that the kit does exist, that it works way better than using loctite paste on a loose bearing, and that Fisher is trying to make Cake owners go away without providing the kit they advertised.

    The Customer service rep suggested that they don't have the bearings ready yet...although this statement implies they don't have spare bearings for '05 Cakes, since it's the same item that would be sent to existing owners. I think they're trying to baloney their way out of a recall/repair that costs them several dollars per bike.

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    I was trying to install a michelin tubeless green tire on my bontrager tubeless wheel and couldn't get it on. i brought it to lbs and they struggled but said they can get it on if i really want it on. i envisioned myself on the trail with a flat trying to work with this and skipped the tubeless. (i really didn't want a green tire on my bike but it was a freebie that i was going to test out)

    I need new tires for my cake that won't slide out around corners so easy. Any recommendations? model, width, tubed or tubeless that are easier to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    I was trying to install a michelin tubeless green tire on my bontrager tubeless wheel and couldn't get it on. i brought it to lbs and they struggled but said they can get it on if i really want it on. i envisioned myself on the trail with a flat trying to work with this and skipped the tubeless. (i really didn't want a green tire on my bike but it was a freebie that i was going to test out)

    I need new tires for my cake that won't slide out around corners so easy. Any recommendations? model, width, tubed or tubeless that are easier to work with.
    I changed the wheelset (Rhyno lites laced to XT hubs) and although they are heavier, I just like'em better, from my old hardtail.
    The tire combo seems to work good for my terrain, etc.
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    Bearing Kit

    Has anyone received this upgrade kit yet? Mine's "on order" but no word from Fisher to my LBS.

    As for tires... I slapped on a set of WTB Weirwolves. 2.1 Race. They are pretty sweet!

    I've been thinking about the tubless option... These tires pop on ok, just make sure you have good tire levers. And wet the edges of the tires with soapy water so the bead sets into the rim easer.

    Anyone have a 2005 cake? Any chainsuck issues?



    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    I was trying to install a michelin tubeless green tire on my bontrager tubeless wheel and couldn't get it on. i brought it to lbs and they struggled but said they can get it on if i really want it on. i envisioned myself on the trail with a flat trying to work with this and skipped the tubeless. (i really didn't want a green tire on my bike but it was a freebie that i was going to test out)

    I need new tires for my cake that won't slide out around corners so easy. Any recommendations? model, width, tubed or tubeless that are easier to work with.

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    no bearing kit yet

    I dropped my 04 Cake 3 dlx off at the LBS on 03/26/05 because of a loose rear triangle. I have followed up 3 times and there is still no upgrade kit. I am beginning to have a list of issues with the Cake, thus Gary Fisher and LBS:

    * Hayes brakes are difficult to set-up and maintain. But I bought the bleed kit and I am learning.
    * The bike is big. LBS part-time employee set me up on a large when I am only 5'10". Brought back next day for a medium which is still tall.
    * Chainsuck sucks.
    * Learning to climb vs. hardtail (if I have the bike I could pratice)

    My riding buddies love to poke fun at me because I never get to ride my new bike and have to bring my stock 97 HKEK out, which I love.

    I just want to ride with full suspension on San Diego rocky bumpy trails.

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    Listen! Tires on the dreaded Bontrager rims

    Quote Originally Posted by jimonthecake
    I was trying to install a michelin tubeless green tire on my bontrager tubeless wheel and couldn't get it on. i brought it to lbs and they struggled but said they can get it on if i really want it on. i envisioned myself on the trail with a flat trying to work with this and skipped the tubeless....I need new tires for my cake that won't slide out around corners so easy. Any recommendations? model, width, tubed or tubeless that are easier to work with.
    Jim, the day I got my Cake, I took it home to swap out the OEM tires...and broke two tire levers. This was a bad sign about the slightly-oversized Bontrager "tubeless compatible" rims. I've learned since that, once a tire is on there and ridden for a month, it stretches a little and isn't so bad during tube chages, etc...but the bead-stip is so tight that I cannot get the beads to set after a tube-repair on the trail, even using an air cartridge to over-inflate, then bleed down.

    However, this last Friday night, I "converted" my wheelset to use Stan's NoTubes sauce and whatnot. Stan has you "lube" the beads of your tires with soap suds, and let me suggest you do this even with tubed tires: my brand-new WTB's were still a beast to get on, but MUCH MUCH EASIER than usual, due to the lubricity of the soap. Plus, the beads set perfectly, very quickly, as I inflated the tire. The way I lubed was to shoot some dish soap in a bucket, foam the heck out of it with hard spray off the hose, then brushed the suds onto the beads of the tires before prying them onto the rims. Seriously, this is the way to go for your next tire change.

    Now to the Stan's: I used his "Bontrager compatible" replacement valve cores (which just pop-in and are secured with the Presta nut), installed the tires and poured in the sauce before shaking the wheel to coat all the internal surfaces. It was very fast, very easy and I rode through thorns and sharp rocks on Saturday morning without the "if I get aflat I'll be here for an hour" feeling...

    As for tires, I've been running the WTB Mutano 2.4's for the last year, and just switched to the 2.3 Weirwolf's, to try a tire with more lug. The Mutanos are outstanding is everything except mud or deep silt. I'll reserve comment on the Weirwolfs until I get more mileage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orthoptera
    Here's another good pic. of the "Zip-tie Chain Blocker". I put two of them on becuase the zip-ties have a tendency to rotate after a while. The best solution might be to secure a little strip of rubber under the zip-tie before you tighten it. That should cancel out the rotation.
    Cool idea, similar to another thing I used on my old Cannondale. I couldn't mount a Third Eye Chain Stopper or an N-Stop on my old Cannondale to prevent the chain from dropping off the small chainring on a downshift, so I used a zip tie. The nub kept the chain from derailling.

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    I had my swing arm ordered a couple weeks ago, and brought my bike in yesterday for the surgery and am going to pick it up today. I am sure it will be all up to date on the pivots, etc. I am surprised it is taking so long to get your kits. i was able to keep riding my bike until they got the parts, but maybe your bike is not rideable without the fix. Your bike shop should order extra kits so they can fix within a day or two.

    My cake is a small. i should be on a medium, but i didn't like the bar pushing into my nuts. i think i am between 5/8 & 5/9. i ride this cake up hills faster than any other bike i owned which were not full suspension. i think it is because it softens the bumps that would slow me down because of the beating they were giving me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    Has anyone received this upgrade kit yet? Mine's "on order" but no word from Fisher to my LBS.

    As for tires... I slapped on a set of WTB Weirwolves. 2.1 Race. They are pretty sweet!

    I've been thinking about the tubless option... These tires pop on ok, just make sure you have good tire levers. And wet the edges of the tires with soapy water so the bead sets into the rim easer.

    Anyone have a 2005 cake? Any chainsuck issues?
    Mine is a 2005, I had the same chainsuck issues as everyone else but it was easily corrected using a pretty large cable tie. You can see the pics on one of my earlier posts.

    For the winter I was running 2.5 Weirwolf on the back and loved it, the thing is a tank but really hooked in the wet, muddy, snowy conditions. I'm back to the bontrager Jones ACX front and rear now that things have dried out. I like the ACX, but the sidewalls are very thin (making them light) and puncture pretty easily. They also are very susceptible to thorn punctures. I may be going tubeless soon, I'm getting tired of patching tubes. They are easy to fix though compared to dealing with tubless on the trail. Anyone have a favorite dry weather tire? Weight is pretty high on my list of characteristics. Seems that lots of racers are running the Hutchinson Python, any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuker
    Has anyone received this upgrade kit yet? Mine's "on order" but no word from Fisher to my LBS.

    As for tires... I slapped on a set of WTB Weirwolves. 2.1 Race. They are pretty sweet!

    I've been thinking about the tubless option... These tires pop on ok, just make sure you have good tire levers. And wet the edges of the tires with soapy water so the bead sets into the rim easer.
    Mine is "on order, too", but Fisher Customer service "online" claims the kit is unecessary and that the green loctite is enough. Of course, they put the kit in THEIR bikes...

    I just switched my Cake to Weirwolf 2.3's and Stan's no-tubes sauce. So far, so good, although I am getting tired of my swingarm rocking back and forth after the green loctite failed.

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