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    2011 HiFi Plus or Deluxe?

    I have my heart set on a 2011 Hi Fi
    Looks like the specs have changed from 2010 on the Hi Fi Plus, the forks under G.F. were Fox F100 RL, now the 2011 are going to be Rock Shox Reba RL , is this a big downgrade are are the forks comparable?
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    I would have to move up to the Deluxe Model at $320.00 more to get the Fox forks, and other better components is it worth the upgrade?

    I'm kind of a newbie to this, and this is a big decision for me, as it's a lot of money!

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    If it is like 2010's the difference is noticeable, night and day in my mind. I tested out both and went with the Deluxe. For the small amount of higher price and large amount of component upgrade, I'm not sure why anyone buys a Plus. Unless that's all you can find leftover right now, which is possible. Or you are going to swap a ton of stuff out on your own anyway. Or you REALLY prefer the paint job.

    The Reba is generally a cheaper fork that is seen on lower priced bikes, but they are very nice. I have one on my hard tail. I guess some of it is personal preference. My Fox on the Fisher feels much plusher out of the box and its simpler to adjust, I like the basic rebound and air pressure of the Fox better than pos/neg chambers, rebound and floodgate of the Reba. If you really wanted to get anal about your fork settings maybe the Reba is preferable. Plus some if not all Rebas can have a remote pop lock installed.
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    The Deluxe is definitely worth the 300 or so more in price. Too bad the Plus is the best looking of the 2011 HiFi's.
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    my decision has been made for me the importer here will not [allegedly] be bringing in the plus.
    It seems weird that the prices are so close together given the apparent gulf in specs.
    the fork for me is the deal breaker,
    The f29RL is to be fair a great fork, but its lack of tune-ability beyond rebound and air has me frustrated. leaving me the choice of going mondo expensive to get the RLC fork or downgrade to the more tweakable but arguably lower spec reba.

    they say if I really want a plus, they will indent one specially, but since I have to hands on time with the reba29er I'd hate to be let down [possible flex?] by it after committing to it. A test ride would have been nice.

    perhaps I can use this as leverage to get an RLC cartridge upgrade thrown in?

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    Thanks for the input and advice.
    The 2011 won't be in till August, so I'm going to put my money down on a deluxe, this will be my first real full suspension bike, hope it's worth it!
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    I have a 2010 Plus it's a great bike. The only real disadvantage in my opinion is the steerer tube, it uses a 1-1/8" inch steerer and a 1.5 inch insert in the headtube. I spoke to Fox about it and their tech support believes the 1.5" insert should increase the headtube rigidity and told me not to worry about it and that in terms of rigidity it shouldn't make any difference.

    Although the brakes on the Hifi Deluxe are okay I would just recommend buying a Plus and going with Hayes Stroker Ace or Shimano Saint's.

    I have the Saint's on my Hifi Plus and I feel that they're an awesome combination. On a long descent I can pull away from most people so quickly on the Hifi Plus. When you have powerful brakes it gives you the confidence to ride fast without worrying. There's nothing more fun than flying down a hill without even touching your brakes and applying the brakes 10 meters before you reach the bottom.

    The crankset is alright I have a Giant XTC 29er 1 and yes it's a better climber but the Hif Plus isn't too bad either. Suprisingly the shifters work quite well too.

    The only thing that I can't stand is the saddle: it's awful.

    I think a Hifi Plus with powerful brakes is a great value.

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    I just recently bought a 2010 HiFi deluxe and it was my first full suspension as well. I was coming off a 97 rigid Tass and after riding for a couple months I can't believe the difference it makes. I have infinitely more fun out on the trails that I am riding and although it was a significant investment, I think you will find it to be well worth your hard-earned cash.

    When I was shopping around, I was looking at the Rumblefish I and the Deluxe and ultimately went with the Deluxe based on the trails/area that I ride. However if I was looking between the Plus and Deluxe, I would have definitely chosen the Deluxe. You get a nice set of upgrades and if you eventually have the money to replace the wheels and tires, you can really bring the weight of the bike to a respectable level.

    Post some pics when you get the bike (maybe I should take my own advice).

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    There is 1 thing to consider.

    In 2011, the warranty. The lifetime warranty that the rest of Fisher owners enjoy will be changing from its current format to 3 years (?) for the rear swing arm. For full suspension owners, this is where.

    I have a 2009 HiFi Deluxe (26). I contemplated the same thing as you. I spoke with friends and did some weighing of everything. When it boiled down to it, these words changed my mind... "If you get the plus, you're going to wish you got the deluxe." I would have. I bought the Deluxe.

    ...and really, when you start spending over 2K on a bicycle, is $300 really that much?

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    I think the 2011 HiFi's will come with 3 chain ring and 10 sprocket cassette. The chain rings are spec'ed at 22/3x/44 which is odd since it doesn't provide the theoretical advantages (1 recovery shift) of a 3 x 10 with a 24/3x/42 chain ring set up. So if you don't like the idea of a 3 x 10 you may want to go for the HiFi Plus so you aren't investing in components you are planning to swap out.

    I am having a similar question about the 2011 Rumblefish. I tested a 2010 Rumblefish 2 at a Trek demo day and fell in love, but the Rumblefish 2 is out of my price range. I am leery of a 3 x 10 setup on the 2011s and did not care for the shifting on the Rumblefish 2. I may want to switch out to a 2 x 10 or 2 x 9. I run a 2 x 9 on my 26er 2007 HiFi Deluxe.

    I have not heard any negatives about the Rocks Shox Reba forks and think 3 x 10 will be expensive and unreliable, so I am thinking about the Rumblefish and swapping out the chainrings/cassette/chain the first time I wear the chain or get poor shifts.

    So I would consider whether you like the 3 x 10 setup on the 2011's as well in your decision.
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    Any stock weights on these? I tested a Superfly100 at a Trek demo which was very, very impressive. Just too many dollars as I have blown my bike budget this year....
    Looking at the Plus 29,or Pro 29 in the 21in frame. Currently riding a 2010 Top Fuel 8 which is around 26/27lbs. Just looking to see what the weights are on these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twenty Times
    There is 1 thing to consider.

    In 2011, the warranty. The lifetime warranty that the rest of Fisher owners enjoy will be changing from its current format to 3 years (?) for the rear swing arm. For full suspension owners, this is where.

    .. "If you get the plus, you're going to wish you got the deluxe." I would have. I bought the Deluxe.

    ...and really, when you start spending over 2K on a bicycle, is $300 really that much?
    Really, only a 3 year guarantee, that sucks!

    Your right about the extra 300, at that point it's a drop in the bucket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fesch
    I think the 2011 HiFi's will come with 3 chain ring and 10 sprocket cassette.

    I am having a similar question about the 2011 Rumblefish. I tested a 2010 Rumblefish 2 at a Trek demo day and fell in love, but the Rumblefish 2 is out of my price range.
    So I would consider whether you like the 3 x 10 setup on the 2011's as well in your decision.
    I'll end up taking the third chain ring off anyway, I'll never use it on our trails, and it's more ground clearance.
    I'm leary of a 10 speed also, more speeds, thinner chain!

    I was looking at the Rumblefish 2 also, out of my price range, for 2011 there is a plain Rumblefish (specked lower) for around the same price as a HiFi Deluxe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider6
    Really, only a 3 year guarantee, that sucks!

    Your right about the extra 300, at that point it's a drop in the bucket.
    It is on par with most major companies nowadays.

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    If I like the Reba fork as well as the Fox then I will go for the Rumblefish - simply to have less invested in the 3 x 10. 3 x 10 are very expensive consumables... I think you can replace the 3 x 10 with SRAM 2 x 9 set up for the price of two 3 x 10 chains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fesch
    If I like the Reba fork as well as the Fox then I will go for the Rumblefish - simply to have less invested in the 3 x 10. 3 x 10 are very expensive consumables... I think you can replace the 3 x 10 with SRAM 2 x 9 set up for the price of two 3 x 10 chains.
    10 speed chains do cost a little more than their 9 speed equivalents, but not as much as all that.
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    I went to put a down payment on a 2011, and they had a 2010 Hi Fi pro on the floor, he called the other store and they had a 2010 Deluxe on the floor, so off I went!

    Went on a quick spin on some local single track, and all I can say is WOW, it turns so much faster and smoother than my hardrock, and the suspension is so plush already before I even dial it in, man what a cool bike.









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    I think the new Hifi's are just overkill for many trails. They're so fast on the extended downhill runs that its very easy to pull away from someone on a 26 bike. Climbing is quite good and I don't feel that much slower than my friend on his 29er hardtail.

    Never mind the suspension which is truly magnificent and capable of absorbing hard knocks with impunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider6
    Went on a quick spin on some local single track, and all I can say is WOW, it turns so much faster and smoother than my hardrock, and the suspension is so plush already before I even dial it in, man what a cool bike.
    Grats on your purchase and thanks for posting those photos here --- they are possibly the best I've seen of it so far; it looks completely awesome! Would really like to see more owners posting their rides, very hard to find anything but the stock photos of the HiFi which are so sterile.

    My 12 year old Trek Y22 died earlier this year (crack in rear URT - and I have no idea where my original receipt is plus I've moved to the other side of the world) ... and I'm finally looking at being fitted on and picking up my own Hifi Deluxe tomorrow. It'll be almost stock the only change being the configuration of Red Fulcrum XLR wheels instead of the Bontragier ones.

    I am super happy I put deposit in a few months ago on the 2010, pretty much the last or 2nd last of my size in Australia at that time. I do like the new colors of the Trek 2011, but having the last "real" Gary Fisher of this bike is very appealing - and so is the life time warranty.

    ps. this is my first post here... hi!

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    Sorry to hear your trusted steed died, but you'll love the new HiFi, this being my first true FS it's awesome!

    Here's a pic from Monday.

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    I just bought a deluxe. I rode a few different brands but realy liked the Fisher the best. Cant wait to put some time on it.

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    Congrats on finding a bike in stock and grabbing it For the rest of us, we have to wait until the 2011's come in... sigh
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    I found the last one in my size any where around me. I would of stepped up to the next model but could not find one. Looking forward to getting out on it. I have not rode in 5 years so needless to say im fat and out of shape.

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    I just got mine - XL 21" weighs in at 12.9kg (that's 28.44 pounds for you non-metric people) with the Fulcrums running tubeless.

    Have only taken it for a quick spin around the neighbourhood, but it feels absolutely great. Not the very best of photos, and certainly not in the right environment, but anyway:


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    Can't wait for the first proper ride.

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    ...same question I'm asking myself....plus or deluxe??

    Other than looks, it seems to me that the plus vs deluxe argument breaks down to fox fl100 vs rock shox reba fork and exilir vs juicy brakes. Yes there are a handful of other component differences...cassette and even the wheels, but they are comparable. My take on the forks is that most people agree that fox as a company has a leg up on RS, but between these two forks they are very comparable...and between the brakes, exilir is a step up but unless you are a big dude or doing super aggressive riding they'll perform the same. Plus bikes gives you pedals, deluxe, no. (ok it's small I know...)

    So...bottom line....if I was building a bike from the ground up, I'd probably use a different fork and brake set than these ones anyway....and components are always upgraded over the years....so if the shocks are close and brakes aren't that far off, what is the extra 300 (plus pedals) getting us other than a a slight uptick (that we may not notice) out of the gate.

    If I looked at what i'd upgrade on both of these... in order it would be wheels, brakes, saddle (maybe higher up) and then fork.

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    I went with the 2010 plus - it was on sale for 1800 - but I had to change out the bars and the stock tires were terrible. After that it is a beast - bars made a big difference - stock plus came with 25" bars - pretty narrow by today's standards.


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    it's beautiful and I'm jealous!!! I wanted to get a 2010 but nobody.....NOBODY has any left around me. I'm up in northern NJ and there are dozens of dealers in a 75 mile radius...and nobody has any 10's left nor or they seeing them in the system. I'd really prefer the 10 but just can't find any.

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    My order is in....

    Ok...so it's a done deal....I took the plunge today and put my order in for an 2011 HiFi Deluxe!!!!! My buddy owns a shop and gave me a sweet @ss sick deal....and I mean sick...I was set to order the plus but when he gave me pricing on deluxe it was no brainer... more importantly... while we were on the phone, two of them in my size popped up in Trek's warehouse and he was able to grab it! So...instead of waiting until October/November (which is what Trek's system was showing), I'll have it in and built the week after labor day!!!
    I'm seriously stoked and can't wait to get on it!

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    last 2 things.....
    1 I was seriously close to considering the new Spech Camber 29er. I have to admit that it looks really REALLY sweet...however at the price point the Spech is at the Fisher has a leg up..however Spech does still have lifetime on frame....bummer for Trek. My deciding factor there was that GF has been refining these 29ers for a few years and I think they have a bit of a leg up....stumpy is a love it or leave it bike and although camber gets good reviews so far, everyone loves the fisher so whyhttp://forums.mtbr.com/images/editor/menupop.gif mess with a good thing.

    2. my buddy convinced me to bump down to a 17.5 inch frame form the 19 I normally ride on my HT. I had an issue with this at first but he was all over me about the 17.5...very insistent about it(he's sold me every steer I've ever owned so he's not just talkin smack) After looking at the geometry, the 19 and 17.5 fishers are SOOOOO close that it really doesn't make any sense for me to risk sizing up...I'm on the cusp of a 19 so just safer to size down a notch.

    Can't wait for my first ride on it....

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    But why no Thru Axles?

    Sorry but I just can't see spending $2k+ on a FS bike with obsolete QR skewers. For that kind of money and on a serious bike, it should have Thru Axles. Clearly I'm not alone in that opinion:

    Considering a 20mm TA 29er fork upgrade for an XC race bike
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    9mm QR vs. 15mm thru-axle
    9mm QR vs. 15mm thru-axle

    Tapered steerers and over-size axles needed?
    Tapered steerers and over-size axles needed?


    I can see no excuse for Trek to have incorporated E2 headtubes and yet still retained 5mm and 9mm QR. What, it wasn't in their budget?!
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    I agree with you that the thru axle is the better way to go, but it's not like stock bikes around 2K come with that.....I think dumping 2K on something brand new and doing a fork upgrade just for a thru axle is a bit silly to be honest...yea I know it's better that way, but I'm coming off of a HT that's like 7 years old so everything is going to seem better out of the gate. if I was worried about having everything "the best" I'd build it from the ground up and spend 5-6K...not looking to do that though. I think splitting hairs over something like the axle is a bit short sighted when you don't know my situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mole7374
    I agree with you that the thru axle is the better way to go, but it's not like stock bikes around 2K come with that...
    That's just my point - there ARE stock bikes around $2k that come with a 15mm front axle: Giant's Trance X for instance [edited].

    One BikeRadar.com review says, "Maestro is a better suspension system than those on Trek, Cannondale, Specialized and Marin's 5inch travel bikes. When descending, it's perfectly progressive for sucking up big drops and ugly rock sections, and it rolls over square edges beautifully. Under power there's just enough kickback to control traction and give a sharp pedal edge, but not enough to knock you off your rhythm. The shock is all but motionless on smooth surfaces, and even this cheapest, heaviest version has a real pop when you put the power down."

    Also, Giant doesn't control dealer discounting as closely as Trek and Specialized each do so you've got greater opportunities to score a deal. I'm just saying...
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    Clones -
    Wow that's great info on the Giants....thanks for passing those along..I'll have to check them out. Those are 26ers right? I've been stuck on getting a 29 since I rode one last year so that's part of it....I'll still check these out though...thanks man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clones123
    That's just my point - there ARE stock bikes around $2k that come with a 15mm front axle: Giant's Trance X and Anthem X for instance.

    One BikeRadar.com review says, "Maestro is a better suspension system than those on Trek, Cannondale, Specialized and Marin's 5inch travel bikes. When descending, it's perfectly progressive for sucking up big drops and ugly rock sections, and it rolls over square edges beautifully. Under power there's just enough kickback to control traction and give a sharp pedal edge, but not enough to knock you off your rhythm. The shock is all but motionless on smooth surfaces, and even this cheapest, heaviest version has a real pop when you put the power down."

    2008 Giant Trance 3 review

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    2009 Giant Anthem X3 review

    Also, Giant doesn't control dealer discounting as closely as Trek and Specialized each do so you've got greater opportunities to score a deal. I'm just saying...
    The $2000 Trance X3 does come with a front thru axle, but does not have a tapered steerer. Front thru axle only enhances wheel to fork stiffness, whereas tapered headtube/steerer enhances the entire front end. Ideally you would have both, but if you only have one, which would you choose? None of the Anthems have a front thru axle. Suspension designs are very dependent on personal preferences. Have you actually ridden the bikes in question, or do you just read the reviews? And why would you post on a thread specifically about a certain bike in a forum specifically reserved for a certain brand just to say that you don't like said bike and/or brand and that we should all be smart enough to buy a different bike from a different brand, which I might add, is a completely different type of bike- 29 vs 26, XC vs Trail ??
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    Blunderbuss - good catch on the 2010 Anthem's lack of a 15mm QR. For 2011, Giant has added tapered headtubes/steerers to the Trance and Anthem with some models adding 15mm TA also. Being more interested in the Trance X myself, I obviously didn't look closely enough at the Anthem's specs. Your point about tapered steerer vs bigger axle is well taken - it's unfortunate that more bikes still don't yet come with both but for 2011 it's getting easier to find (including a Anthem X 29er). I don't own a Trek/GF or a Giant and I'm certainly not suggesting that one is smarter than the other. Not sure if the real topic here is full-suspension trail bikes or full-suspension 29er bikes. I've trail demoed a bunch of bikes and felt that the HiFi, while nice enough, didn't do enough for me to justify it's price tag.

    Personally, I like a 29er wheel for the smoother ride which on a hardtail is a major benefit. On a full-squish bike though, I'm left with more of the 29er downsides like slower handling and acceleration making the bigger wheels less attractive (at least until you get into a really high-end wheelset).

    I'm not out to knock anybody else's ride. Indeed, the HiFi is a nice bike that I initially lusted for. For the sake of potential buyers though it may be worth opening discussion about a glaring omission in a bike at this price-point as well as alternatives.
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    I'm not knocking the Giants either, Maestro is a great suspension design, and I have 2 or 3 friends that ride Trances. I work at a shop, so I almost never knock other brands or shops, we're all in it together, you know? I did have the pleasure of riding an Anthem once on one of my favorite trails. Of the issues I had, none of them came from the rear suspension.

    I really don't see the lack of thru axles on the HiFi line as an omission. Regardless of how people ride them, those bikes are intended for XC and racing. There are plenty of XC and racer types that do not need or want thru axles. If you want thru axles on a Trek/Fisher full suspension 29, get a Rumblefish. Thats what I did.
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    I have the plus and the bike is terrific thru axle or not. I picked it up for 1800+ tax and really that was a pretty small part in the decision. What I like about the bike is the way it handles - it just really comes together on the trail and makes me a better rider - that is the ultimate test criteria. We can debate specs all day long and it is easy to nitpcik, but I am damn happy with this bike.

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    I have a deposit on a 2010 HIFI Plus 29er. My LBS is selling their demos (it was put together at the end of June). Although I'd prefer a Rumblefish or a Deluxe.... I couldn't pass up the $1,400 price tag.

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