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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Well, the new Super Masters are, that one wasn't. Based on this thread, I'll be expecting Jeff to trade up any day now.....
    What was the Master? about $5K?

    He should definitely trade up. You never know when you're going to have a catastrophic jig failure and every builder should have an extra lying around just in case.

    In a round about way, my point was that he has invested quite a chunk of coin into all that gear, and he's got to get the ROI somehow.

    I love this thread. It's my favorite ever. I dream the more builders will pick this up (the sending of photos) and happy customers will make more threads like this. In my imaginary world, it would help more riders make purchasing decisions leaning towards independant builders rather than the big three production monsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    Even at his retail prices, I assume he's making a very modest living. with 1" ti tubing costing roughly $45/ft; 1.5" tubing at $65/ft, plus the cost of fittings (bottle mounts, dropouts, BB shell, EBB) at another $100 or so; the material costs might not be as much as you think. It's all the hardware required to build that makes it a bit tougher to make a living. That Anvil frame jig is in the $7K neighborhood. Plus any tubing and stay mitering fixtures, tube benders and jigs that he uses, not to mention the cost of that Bridgeport and additional hardware I've seen in the pictures. You're easily looking at $30K and up in hardware that he had to purchase. Plus there's the TIG welder and consumables, waste, alignment table, work space (even from home, it has a cost)...
    Ya, well he made a pretty penny when he sold his two bikes shops here in SoCal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29inch

    I wonder if having an apprentice or helper is a future option?

    Apprentices?

    He's already got 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    Ya, well he made a pretty penny when he sold his two bikes shops here in SoCal.
    I sure hope so. I've seen more than a few deals go through (for small shops) where the owner was able to make just enough to cover his debt, with very little leftover. It's not only great to see someone who has original ideas, it's great to see them create those ideas with some financial success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    I sure hope so. I've seen more than a few deals go through (for small shops) where the owner was able to make just enough to cover his debt, with very little leftover. It's not only great to see someone who has original ideas, it's great to see them create those ideas with some financial success.

    Aqua - keep it up. I'm a complete addict but I fear withdrawel I'm going to experience once you have your bike.
    Don't worry. If you guys aren't sick of looking at them I will post pics of my build.
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    Moto, I forget, what wil your build be?

    I can't remember what your build is going to be Moto, is it going to be similar to Aqua?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobde
    I can't remember what your build is going to be Moto, is it going to be similar to Aqua?
    No, I am not nearly as aggro as the Aqua man. Mine is going to be nearly identical to Jeff's personal bike. Smaller tubes. I am shorter than either of them so I will have a shorter TT. I think that I am going to go with the older style truss fork instead of the new freeride version. I guess it would be boring to watch a very similar frame going together. Too much deja vu!
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    Cranky

    170mm XTR getting "the treatment".

    I believe the weld-a-thon has begun.
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    Hey Aqua, why the 170's?
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    That makes my stomach feel funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    Hey Aqua, why the 170's?
    good question....very good question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    Hey Aqua, why the 170's?

    I'm sick of being 8 feet tall. I had a few inches removed from my legs.

    Evil: It is kinda hard to watch..eh?

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    Cranked 2

    Chop Chop.


    Here's the deal....I rode two of JJ's bikes whilst up in Medford. The 26'er had 165's on it and the 29er had 170's.

    The 170mm's felt killer.

    The idea is that the shorter crank arms are better suited for riding in the chunky stuff. My BB height will be fairly low so, when coming into an ugly, sketchy section I will be able to get an extra pedal stroke (or two) to power through, as opposed to just slamming into obstacles with a lot of momentum. Also, the increased ground clearance will be a plus in regards to pedal strikes. Oh, and it will be a bit easier on my knees as well.

    I'm sure that the debate of long vs short crank arms has been flogged fairly heavily, and not just in this forum.

    Here's an example of what happens to my existing cranks and pedals if this gives you a better picture of what I'm after.
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    I wonder what the folks at Shimano think when they see that...

    I mean, I'm sure some Shimanos check out these forums. I wonder if they gasp or what when they see us chopping down their fancy cranks. Seems like they're missing the boat on a business opportunity here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobde
    I mean, I'm sure some Shimanos check out these forums. I wonder if they gasp or what when they see us chopping down their fancy cranks. Seems like they're missing the boat on a business opportunity here.

    BTW, I have an XTR crankset (175mm) chopped, polished to a mirror finish, ready to slap on the Jones. I put a lot of time into this. I guess it'll stay put on the FrankenCruiser.
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    How much does JJ charge for the XTR crank job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic


    Here's the deal....I rode two of JJ's bikes whilst up in Medford. The 26'er had 165's on it and the 29er had 170's.

    The 170mm's felt killer.

    The idea is that the shorter crank arms are for riding in the chunky stufff. When coming into an ugly, sketchy section I will be able to get an extra pedal stroke or two to navigate through as opposed to just slamming into it with a lot of momentum. Also, the increased ground clearance will be a plus. Oh, and it will be a bit easier on my knees as well.

    Yep, Jeff likes the shorter cranks. There is also the fact that your feet are closer to being right next to each other so you can, in theory, land drops better.
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    I've been riding 170's

    My chopped xtrs are also 170. I suppose the BB heigh has a lot to do with it, but I started on 175's and seemed to have an annoying amount of crankarm strikes. For me the 170's feel just right.

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    With longer cranks on the other hand, feet when level are further apart which might add stability?
    In any case, you can drop the seat some, and have more seat-butt clearance with the cranks level. More leg suspension preloading hops and landing drops? If you already run the seat low less of a factor obviously, but I like it high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    What was the Master? about $5K?

    He should definitely trade up. You never know when you're going to have a catastrophic jig failure and every builder should have an extra lying around just in case.

    In a round about way, my point was that he has invested quite a chunk of coin into all that gear, and he's got to get the ROI somehow.

    I love this thread. It's my favorite ever. I dream the more builders will pick this up (the sending of photos) and happy customers will make more threads like this. In my imaginary world, it would help more riders make purchasing decisions leaning towards independant builders rather than the big three production monsters.
    A little less than that, not much though. Trust me, I understood your point. You can wrap up tons of money in a framebuilding bidness. Plus, having a stock of Ti tubes on hand is VERY expensive. I know a small builder who just bought $35K of Ti tubing to have a year's supply of stock on hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Chop Chop.


    Here's the deal....I rode two of JJ's bikes whilst up in Medford. The 26'er had 165's on it and the 29er had 170's.

    The 170mm's felt killer.

    The idea is that the shorter crank arms are better suited for riding in the chunky stuff. My BB height will be fairly low so, when coming into an ugly, sketchy section I will be able to get an extra pedal stroke (or two) to power through, as opposed to just slamming into obstacles with a lot of momentum. Also, the increased ground clearance will be a plus in regards to pedal strikes. Oh, and it will be a bit easier on my knees as well.

    I'm sure that the debate of long vs short crank arms has been flogged fairly heavily, and not just in this forum.

    Here's an example of what happens to my existing cranks and pedals if this gives you a better picture of what I'm after.
    You know what would be great? A bash ring to fit those cranks. I envision a version of my XTR guard, shrunken down to fit that BCD with threads that would accept a CR bolt from the back side.

    It might not exactly jive with the aesthetic of the remodeled crank, but it would sure be functional for guys like Aqua and myself.

    Does anyone know how consistant that mod is from crank to crank? If I had one in my hands, I could take measurements, draft up a bash in SolidWorks and get the file off to Brett for fabrication (provided he's still interested in taking new work)

    I'll mock one up this weekend if I have time and post the model here to see if you all like it.

    Is this something you'd use Aqua?
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    Here are some quick refinements to the model I posted earlier. Let me know if you're interested, make suggestions and I'll make changes as you want them.

    Keep the pics coming Steve. I can't wait to see the final build.

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    Cranked 3

    Here's the finished crankset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    You know what would be great? A bash ring to fit those cranks. I envision a version of my XTR guard, shrunken down to fit that BCD with threads that would accept a CR bolt from the back side.

    It might not exactly jive with the aesthetic of the remodeled crank, but it would sure be functional for guys like Aqua and myself.

    Does anyone know how consistant that mod is from crank to crank? If I had one in my hands, I could take measurements, draft up a bash in SolidWorks and get the file off to Brett for fabrication (provided he's still interested in taking new work)

    I'll mock one up this weekend if I have time and post the model here to see if you all like it.

    Is this something you'd use Aqua?
    Smudge:

    Thanks for your input on this. Yes, I'm a bit nervous about running sans bashring on this bike. I was strongly considering going with an XT crank and bashring. My 5Pack has 5 inches of travel and a 14" high BB height. When I roll some of this stuff, the suspension obviously compresses and the bike gets closer to the ground. Obviously, with a full rigid and bigger wheels I won't have that occuring (as much). I hope! But, I still think I'll have to be careful and tread lightly at first, to see what I can get away with. JJ and I went over this carefully and he feels that an occasional hit to the chain won't be catastophic and the Ti ring is certainly more stout than aluminum. Still, I don't want to trash this expensive crankset.


    This stunt I call the "Start Button". It scrapes the Turner's bash ring pretty heavily.

    Anyway, let's talk offline about this bashring idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic

    This stunt I call the "Start Button". It scrapes the Turners bash ring pretty heavily.
    I predict that on the new SS, the chain will not contact the rock at all. Big wheels shall rule the earth!

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    Duuuude, why aren't you wheelie droppin that s#!t??? That is what I would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    I predict that on the new SS, the chain will not contact the rock at all...
    Maybe, maybe not. JJ likes to use low BBs. Look at the specs for Motoman's frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Duuuude, why aren't you wheelie droppin that s#!t??? That is what I would do.

    Isn't it a bit past your bedtime?


    "You can't tell from the picture, but to get enough speed to huck that sucker it'd be tough to make the immediate right turn that follows. Wheelie dropping is tricky too as it's a little steeper than it seems and the approach is really rough (hench the need for speed to get up on there).

    Anyways, it's much more fun to watch Aqua bash the crap out of the boulder as he goes over! :-)" - Terminaut
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Isn't it a bit past your bedtime?


    "You can't tell from the picture, but to get enough speed to huck that sucker it'd be tough to make the immediate right turn that follows. Wheelie dropping is tricky too as it's a little steeper than it seems and the approach is really rough (hench the need for speed to get up on there).

    Anyways, it's much more fun to watch Aqua bash the crap out of the boulder as he goes over! :-)" - Terminaut
    Man, if you had the skilz then you would manual off that sucka and then pivot in mid air to make the turn... that is what I would do.
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    are these available sans frame?

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    Ebb

    EBB, lightened and ready to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    EBB, lightened and ready to go.
    Pretty buff. Are you going to make the cranks match?

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    Weld -a-thon

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    Oh my God, this is the nastiest bike porn I've ever seen.
    I haven't felt this way about a bike since I was sixteen and I saw the manager's bike at the shop I was working at. It was a Schwinn Paramount with ALL purple parts, and until then, it was the sweetest bike I'd ever seen.

    Wowzers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte
    Pretty buff. Are you going to make the cranks match?

    Monte
    I think I'm going to leave it with this satin finish for now. I can finish and buff it out later, if I wish. However, I did the mirror finish on my FrankenCruiser's XTR. It looks pimpy for about 2 rides and then it gets scratched and ratty looking. I have to keep after it with the Mother's to keep it looking swanky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    JJ's Weld-a-thon has begun.
    Jeffs welds really look great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    I think I'm going to leave it with this satin finish for now. I can finish and buff it out later, if I wish. However, I did the mirror finish on my FrankenCruiser's XTR. It looks pimpy for about 2 rides and then it gets scratched and ratty looking. I have to keep after it with the Mother's to keep it looking swanky.
    How much does Jeff charge for the XTR crank make over?

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    I think if he'd quote a price for that, he'd not have enough time to do any welding. And his waiting list is over 4 years already (my buddy is on the list, got to hear 4 years recently)
    Over cleaner does the job in 45mins says a certain LBS owner. Butting the extra holes off, just patience and guts.

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    I wonder how much he'd charge me to hang out and look over his shoulder for a week or two. I can't imagine a more enjoyable job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    I think if he'd quote a price for that, he'd not have enough time to do any welding. And his waiting list is over 4 years already (my buddy is on the list, got to hear 4 years recently)
    Over cleaner does the job in 45mins says a certain LBS owner. Butting the extra holes off, just patience and guts.

    The set on the picture above is not on one of his bikes, so he must do them for individuals other than his frame customers.
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    What's with the $20 Aheadset? Setup only?

    I also wanted to say great thread, but you already know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1strongone1
    The set on the picture above is not on one of his bikes, so he must do them for individuals other than his frame customers.

    unless i completely misunderstood his post, i believe auqa chopped and polished those cranks himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fattirewilly
    What's with the $20 Aheadset? Setup only?

    I also wanted to say great thread, but you already know that.
    I've always wondered the same thing. Although there are some very fine headsets from some quality manufacturers available, JJ uses the "Aheadset" by Cane Creek for a number of reasons. None of which have anything at all to do with price:

    "I use the Aheadset SAS headset because it is the best headset for the application.

    It has a compression ring design for keeping the ‘upper cup’ tight against the steerer tube.

    XXXX uses a rubber o-ring to fill the gap between the ‘upper cup’ and the steerer tube which works fine but does have some play since the rubber o-ring can compress and allow the top cup to move around on the steerer tube. This is normally not noticeable, but with two ‘upper’ headsets, both with the rubber o-ring, the play is doubled and is then very noticeable, especially with the fore and aft stiffness of the truss fork.

    The SAS headset also has larger ball bearings.

    It is lighter.

    And it comes in any color you want as long as it’s black.

    It is a very durable, reliable, functional and light weight headset".


    Additionally:

    "Your headset is different than the one in the assembly pictures in the above post.

    Another reason I use this head set is that it has a lower stack height that is almost 10mm shorter than XXXX.

    Aheadset- 26mm total stack

    XXXX- 35.5mm stack

    Function, not fashion".
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    While we're waiting on the JJ to finish up welding the frame....I thought that I would show you a few of the accoutrements that will festoon me scoot.
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    goodness, im guessing the entire build is 5000+

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    Two head badges?

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    4 speed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b12yan88
    goodness, im guessing the entire build is 5000+
    Better add a few more pluses!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Better add a few more pluses!
    No rear cog?

    Probably waiting for a Boone rear cog like everyone else!

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    Hello Aquaholic

    First I would like to thank you for taking us along this process. It's really cool to see what goes into one of Jeff's bikes. Now if I could have the patients to wait 4 year.

    I was hoping you could answer a question for me. I see your going to use a Sram trigger shifter and I'm assuming that you going to be using Jeff H-bars too. Were are you going to mount the shifter. I've thought about using these bars, but I'm not going back to friction to do so. I've also thought if someone could machine a two piece mounting bracket for the new OX shifter, you could then mount them on the straight piece of the bar. Just a thought.
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    Split Personality

    Donkey: Yes, this bike will be schizophrenic. It will split time as a 4 speed and a SS. The first pics of the completed build will be as a SS. (Padre, the Boone 20T rear cog came in the day after this pic was snapped).

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    : After some experimenting, we were able to get the X.0 shifter to work properly on the H-Bar. The key was the ability to rotate the downshift paddle. In the past, with the X.9 shifters, a workable position for the shifter was a stretch.

    I'll get a closeup picture from JJ of the shifter mounted on the bar so that you can see the setup.

    Anyway, we're waiting on the 4 speed cassette (not going with Boone for this), so that's why the first completed build pics wil be SS.

    Spuddy: I can't decide which headbadge will look best so, I'll run both. Odd numbered days I'll run gold....even numbered, I'll sport the silver.

    I'm glad that you all are enjoying this, this has been big fun for me as well. Thanks to JJ for documenting this build with fantastic pics. The completed frame pics should be rolling in soon!
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    Aqua, are those the normal Hope hoses? Or, did you upgrade them?

    I coulda sworn they came with black. But, on my build I want grey... and, am curious which hoses to "upgrade" to....


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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    Aqua, are those the normal Hope hoses? Or, did you upgrade them?

    I coulda sworn they came with black. But, on my build I want grey... and, am curious which hoses to "upgrade" to....


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    I've been ignoring this thread for weeks, thanks for wasting 2 hours of my day ...
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    hope brakes

    How about a bit of de-anno on those brakes?. I was contemplating this when i had my hopes

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOFTBUTT
    Hello Aquaholic

    First I would like to thank you for taking us along this process. It's really cool to see what goes into one of Jeff's bikes. Now if I could have the patients to wait 4 year.

    I was hoping you could answer a question for me. I see your going to use a Sram trigger shifter and I'm assuming that you going to be using Jeff H-bars too. Were are you going to mount the shifter. I've thought about using these bars, but I'm not going back to friction to do so. I've also thought if someone could machine a two piece mounting bracket for the new OX shifter, you could then mount them on the straight piece of the bar. Just a thought.
    Just FYI:

    I've been using H-bars for a few weeks now with XT triggers with no modification, mounted on the front extensions just beyond my brake levers. If you have small hands/short fingers it may be a bit awkward, but it works fine for me. Interesting idea to have a larger split mount made, I wonder how it would feel with the triggers at a different angle then the grips.

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    Wheel Porn!

    Czech these fat sonofa*****es out!

    29mm wide

    504 grams each.

    DT Supercomp Spokes 2.0mm/1.7mm/1.8mm

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    Wheel Porn (mas)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    How much did you have to grease Jason's palm for a set of those?
    Yeah, I would have waited if I'd known these are available.

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    Thought those hoops were still pre-production?

    How much did you have to grease Jason's palm for a set of those?
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    How much did you have to grease Jason's palm for a set of those?
    Yeah, what's going on here? Isn't it bad enough that you've got that bike coming? You gotta rub even more stuff in our faces?

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    Are those Mango CK hubs?!?

    I've had a set of those on order for months!!!!

    OK, so mine are ISO Disc versions. Hope this means they've done another round of Mango.

    Nice wheel build.

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    Did you sell your soul for this ****! Got I am ****ing jealous, and I though that only worked when it came to hot chicks

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    The good thing for all you guys waiting for those rims is that you are going to find out pretty quick how well they stand up to abuse!
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    Wheel weight.

    Is there anyway Mr. Jones could weigh those wheels for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Is there anyway Mr. Jones could weigh those wheels for us?
    The complete front wheel (as pictured) with tire, tube and disk (no QR) is 1921grams / 4.2 lbs.

    The complete rear wheel (as pictured) with tire, tube, cog, fun bolts and disk is 2112 grams / 4.6 lbs.

    Front wheel without tire, tube and disk is 860 / 1.9 lbs.

    The rear wheel was not weighed before installation of the disk and tire.

    The foldable ExiWolf tires save 160 grams / .35 lbs for the pair when compared on the same scale to a wire bead Exi.
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    Ths Salsa decals....

    ...at a quick glance look like "Hot Wheels" stickers. I nominate them for the best decals I've ever seen on a rim. In truth I've never noticed the stickers before tho. But with disc specific rims, the side is a prime advertising location.

    I agree. Steve will test those wheels well for the rest of us. They look the part, I hope the hold up well.

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    That is the most custom, wicked-assed sh!t I have ever seen. That thing takes the cake (and table cloth and dining room too). Wow. Just wow.
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    The Salsa rims are preproduction

    Just a quick FYI. The rims used are in fact preproduction. Salsa provided our last 2 prototypes rims to Jeff and Aqua for testing purposes. Jeff will be building a set for himself as well as soon as I cut them out of one of our proto wheelsets. Our hope is that they get ridden a lot and our expectation is that both Jeff and Aqua will do just that and give us direct and critical feedback.

    Besides, by providing rims, I can now watch this thread during work hours.....

    Thanks to JJ and Aqua for this thread and the opportunity to participate.

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    PS. The new rims are in production now. We may possibly have them by the first week of Feb.

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    Wow, nearly 20000 views. At this rate it will pass the FAQ. This thread already has the most replies in 29er board history (at least with the new format).
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    Getting Reamed!

    Welding is complete.


    Headtube being reamed and faced.

    "I still have some more work to do on your frame and fork then I’ll start the finish work. From there I’ll be ready for the bike build."


    It won't be long now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Welding is complete.


    Headtube being reamed and faced.

    "I still have some more work to do on your frame and fork then I’ll start the finish work. From there I’ll be ready for the bike build."


    It won't be long now!
    Lookin purty. You need a mango head badge to match your hubs.
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    Very beautiful Aqua. Feels like we are witnessing a baby-delivery almost...
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    Quote Originally Posted by erol/frost
    Feels like we are witnessing a baby-delivery almost...
    Trust me, this is a lot prettier.

    Aqua - Awesome! This thread is just plain awesome! It is amazing to see what a true love of the sport can inspire. Have you given any thought to what will be this bike's virgin ride? I hope it is Noble, but if not I can't wait to see you ripping it up on Noble on this thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinch
    Trust me, this is a lot prettier.

    Aqua - Awesome! This thread is just plain awesome! It is amazing to see what a true love of the sport can inspire. Have you given any thought to what will be this bike's virgin ride? I hope it is Noble, but if not I can't wait to see you ripping it up on Noble on this thing!
    Its virgin ride will be under JJ. Jeff likes to test ride every bike to make sure everything is working to his expectations.
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    probably the best sloppy seconds ever experienced though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Its virgin ride will be under JJ. Jeff likes to test ride every bike to make sure everything is working to his expectations.
    So, where will Aqua's virgin ride on this new bike be?

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    Sloppy Seconds, Indeed!

    Ha Ha..Sloppy seconds is right. It's quite likely that it's virgin ride could be in the snow.

    Damn..I am Jones'n for some more Jones porn from JJ! I really can't wait to see what the new style Truss looks like mated to the frame. If I don't get some relief soon, I may have to bust out the PhotoShop.

    Pincher: You know me all too well! My first ride on this beast, will of course be.....Noble Canyon. This scoot was conceived with Noble in mind.

    Pretty soon, I'll be able to post some images, from Noble.... like this, piloting the One.

    So, Ya'll quit ordering H-bars, so that JJ can finish my baby up. Or, at least hold off until he starts Bryce's build.

    PS Erol/Frost: PUSH JJ....PUSH!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by movingmountain
    un-f-ng believable photos. After this post it will take a couple of years of waiting to get one. I guess my question/ post on the Homer side about his warranty is answered.
    yeah the photos are real nice and that rock to flat drop would be tough even on a DH bike
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    (OK that's it...Pushing aside all pride...I'm asking...)

    Aqua - what else do you do other than ride bikes for fitness? I mean, you look ultra-fit in some of those shots. (this is getting tough to type) Do you lift, run, aerobics/yoga, rock-climb? Are you just a fitness junkie in general? Does your day job include lots of manual labor? All that muscle mass has to be for somthing other than just cycling. What's the story man?

    Come on guys - I know some of you had the same question....didn't you...you must have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanpope
    (OK that's it...Pushing aside all pride...I'm asking...)

    Aqua - what else do you do other than ride bikes for fitness? I mean, you look ultra-fit in some of those shots. (this is getting tough to type) Do you lift, run, aerobics/yoga, rock-climb? Are you just a fitness junkie in general? Does your day job include lots of manual labor? All that muscle mass has to be for somthing other than just cycling. What's the story man?

    Come on guys - I know some of you had the same question....didn't you...you must have...

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    In JJ we Truss

    "Your seat tube is now reamed, honed and slotted."

    "Below are pictures of me facing the fork. This will insure the headset will be perfectly aligned with the frame and stem. This will result in a super smooth and long lasting headset with no play."

    So, all of the final facing and machine work is complete. Time for some elbow grease and Scotch Brite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "Your seat tube is now reamed, honed and slotted."

    "Below are pictures of me facing the fork. This will insure the headset will be perfectly aligned with the frame and stem. This will result in a super smooth and long lasting headset with no play."

    So, all of the final facing and machine work is complete. Time for some elbow grease and Scotch Brite!
    I might have to get an Aquaholic signature series fork. It looks great.
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    Hahaha, a labor of love! I really hope you`re there with camera in hand... =)

    That fork... Simply wow. I vision putting a pair of NightSuns or NiteRiders on that "triangle". Would look and be very functional for nightrides.
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    It's a skort, ya boob!

    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    He does it so he looks good in a skirt! There is a photo drifting around here somewhere of him wearing a nice little oufit out on his bike but I can find it.

    Ivan: You lookin' for this?

    Lanpope: "Aqua - what else do you do other than ride bikes for fitness? What's the story man?"
    Massive amounts of sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Ivan: You lookin' for this?

    Lanpope: "Aqua - what else do you do other than ride bikes for fitness? What's the story man?"
    Massive amounts of sex.

    Speaking of sex, are you sporting wood in that picture?

    Looks more like a tent than a skort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Ivan: You lookin' for this?

    Lanpope: "Aqua - what else do you do other than ride bikes for fitness? What's the story man?"
    Massive amounts of sex.
    There we go, that makes me feel better...you look kind of fat in the skort

    BTW - is that SSLOS's Wily in the foreground of the skort shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanpope
    There we go, that makes me feel better...you look kind of fat in the skort

    BTW - is that SSLOS's Wily in the foreground of the skort shot?

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    HA, Good eye! Indeed, that is the legendary SSLOS. Rumor has it that he is still in therapy after seeing me in my Skort.


    BTW, That is a member of ZZ Top (FarLeft), that was riding with us that day.

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    Would you guys really mount a headlight to a rigid frame?

    I''ve only ridden with my old Halogen and new(er) HID on my head. Wouldn't having it mounted on the frame just beat the crap out of it? Granted, HID has no filament, but it is taking much more shock there on the bike. There is a lot more cush having it on the head.

    The fork looks really great. I am looking fwd to that photo of the fork and the frame together!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobde
    I''ve only ridden with my old Halogen and new(er) HID on my head. Wouldn't having it mounted on the frame just beat the crap out of it? Granted, HID has no filament, but it is taking much more shock there on the bike. There is a lot more cush having it on the head.
    Heck yah! I used fork/bars mounted halogen lights off road for 12 years before I owned a suspension fork. Still do it (and HID) about half the time for 8 more years.
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    Wow!

    OK, my mind is blown! I woke up at 4:00 in the morning today, unable to sleep. Knowing that the day that I see this bike completed is drawing near....I still could not picture what it looked like with the "AquaTruss" mated to the frame.

    I was seriously getting ready to whip out the PhotoShop to catch a glimpse.

    These images came streaming in today and I gotta say......my mind is cooked!

    This thing is totally wild looking, eh? It looks like some alien space dude landed his UFO outside of area 51, and then whipped this thing out.

    JJ, you are truly a mad scientist.

    I can't imagine what it's going to look like once he starts throwing some bling on it.

    I gotta go lay down.
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    oh oh ohOH OHOHOH!!..Aaaahhhhhh....damn it I have to change my shorts.


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    Sweet! Sure glad there's like a 5 year wait just to get on the wait list, or something like that. Or I should say my wife's glad....

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    I'm with Monte.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte
    Sweet! Sure glad there's like a 5 year wait just to get on the wait list, or something like that. Or I should say my wife's glad....

    Monte
    This post has seen me go through a transformation. When I first saw the Jones Bikes I just didn't think they were very nice. But, having seen the beautiful and artful way they are constructed I have become quite enamored of them. I may never be able to afford one, so it's just as well that the wait list is so long. It will keep me from spending money I don't have.

    But, just maybe, I can head down to Noble Canyon and catch Aqua when he tries that thing out... In fact, maybe that should be the So Cal SS gathering of the season.

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    No comprende?

    Anybody know what language this is? Or, what it says?



    The following clips about your bike were found here--> http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/320055

    Glöm inte hur Aquaholics Jeff Jones-bygge utvecklar sig för bövelen, rörkrökning och fräsning på programmet.
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    Skrivet av jns den 21a november

    AAAHHHHHH!!!!!

    Den där tråden med Aquaholics Jeff Jones-bygge får mig att ligga sömnlös om nätterna och somnar jag är jag fast i våta Titandrömmar....

    Spärra kortet, spärra korten, spärra kortet....

    Kort sagt trodde jag nog inte att man kunde få gåshud av ett rambygge.

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    Look slike Swedish to me, couldn't find much easily on the website as to hint language. With my knowledge of Germanic languages I can't just translate it. Couldn't find a text-translator for Swedish online either, just some one-word-dictionaties.
    Basically I get the impression they're drooling over US-made Ti 29"ers, found lurking on here.

    Wait it says on top "sveriges", Swedish.

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    In swedish, the last half actually posted by me on a swedish mtb-forum. The essence of the message is the same as every other post in this discussion, im stunned by the workmanship, finish and the design of JJ's bikes.

    Due to lack of finances and patience to wait for my own Jones i will go for a On-One inbred 29'er for now. It will hopefully be delivered in a few days.

    But maby sometimes in the future...

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    It is Swedish. I've got to run to make an emergency Thomson Stem delivery, but if nobody else has translated it by the time I get back on I can do it for you.

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