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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Easy. Your keychain. Bottle openers on frames are one thing you see a lot of and rarely, if ever, get used.
    agree... BUT have jeff make you a super custom keychain bottle opener.

    OR, you can have bottle cage bosses on there and bolt one of these on, they fit perfectly:
    they come labeld with all different things

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    I would keep it away from the disc rotor - Its just too easy to get touched or splashed with brew.

    what about up top on the seat tube? no bending over...
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    The Fetus

    These just in from JJ.



    "Enjoy the pictures. I’m enjoying the build".

    "I’m very excited about your bike. I know it’s going to be one of my favorites".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "Enjoy the pictures. I’m enjoying the build".

    "I’m very excited about your bike. I know it’s going to be one of my favorites".

    Ahhh, I bet he says that about everybodies frame...
    "Whereas Motoman's bike looks like an industrial, TinkerToy experiment gone horribly wrong." - Aquaholic

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    It makes my heart so happy to see that even on a $3k frame, Jeff is still using tried and true Avid Mechanicals.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Ahhh, I bet he says that about everybodies frame...
    HA HA. So says the "Runaway Bride".

    Pad: I gotta say that when I rode Jeff's bike, those turn of the century style mechanical's felt every bit as good as me hydros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    These just in from JJ.



    "Enjoy the pictures. I’m enjoying the build".

    "I’m very excited about your bike. I know it’s going to be one of my favorites".
    cOoL. I welded up my own trailerhitch on my truck, Jeff would be appalled.

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    I nominate Steves bike for best of 2006!

    Steve it looks awesome. The finish treatment to the pipes looks great. I like the mitered seattube. Jeff is doing a fantastic job. And fast! This is a real treat for us all to view. But your posts may be counterproductive, as Jeff is probably fieldong many calls and therefore slowing down your Baby! Ha!!!

    Jeff if you read this pls make mine same but 1/2 shorter TT!!!

    I got 3m general adhesive today number 80880! Looking fwd to putting on new Hbar grips and tape!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tig
    They're a new (I think) Ti builder out of Northern Cal that displayed a few bikes at this year's Handmade Bicycle Show http://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/
    I don't know anything else about them, but their work looked good in person.

    http://www.rabbitcycles.com/

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    That was my booth the Rabbits were displayed in so I must of met you Tig. Rick Hibbard is the man behind Rabbit and they were being built in Alma, Colorado. Not sure right what's going on with them right now, last I heard Rick was in NYNY for a couple of months but I'm sure he's checking his email and his site.

    I've known Rick for quite a while and ridden the bikes, they're wicked cool. Of the two we had at the show, one was the regular twin spar design from dropout to headtube, the other used Ti "lugs" so there two different size tubes being used on the twin spars. Rick was going to do the same but use CF tubes joined to the Ti lugs but don't know if he's done it yet.
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    More progress

    These just in from JJ:

    Things are really coming together fast, eh?

    Fitting the top tube.

    Machining the BB shell.
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    Who's taking all the pics, Mrs. Jones?

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    I think I am cheating on my bikes but oogling over these pictures...

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    OK. I think I may have to interrupt your build too Steve. It's you're own fault for posting all these pics you know!

    I don't know what the bike costs but it's probably worth it when you factor in the fact that you get to watch it being built.

    Keep 'em coming or post the blog address!

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    These just in from JJ:

    Things are really coming together fast, eh?

    Fitting the top tube.

    Machining the BB shell.
    I reached for the safety glasses in that first pic!!

    once again thanks to you and Jeff for sharing the process.

    I can't wait to see the final pics... "C'mon, keep pushing... I can see the head..., push!!"
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    5-10years?

    So all this talk of Jeff's work has got him busy. I emailed regarding getting on the list - expet 15months or so... He is quoting years... with really no certainty if it would be 2 or 10.

    Aguaholic: Cant wait to hear about the ride!

    For me the Wily will be here in 3 weeks or so.

    I need to let Jeff know if I want on the list - as I imagine a lot of people will fall off.

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    Like pieces of a puzzle

    Today's email brought more images from JJ. Each time I receive these pics, I am more intrigued. I mean.... I've seen these same images before with prior builds...but knowing that these pieces of a puzzle, that are coming together to form my bicycle, is kinda surreal.

    Go JJ, GO!
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    A few more

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    Good job!

    this is just like watching a striptease, but in reverse hehe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Today's email brought more images from JJ. Each time I receive these pics, I am more intrigued. I mean.... I've seen these same images before with prior builds...but knowing that these pieces of a puzzle, that are coming together to form my bicycle, is kinda surreal.

    Go JJ, GO!
    I'm curious, what's going on with the seat tube. It doesn't look like it's lining up with the angle gauge correctly. Wrong mitre angles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    I'm curious, what's going on with the seat tube. It doesn't look like it's lining up with the angle gauge correctly. Wrong mitre angles?
    Most likely because the seat tube is not a one-piece straight tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
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    Maybe I should give Jeff a call and see how everything is going today. He does like to talk...
    "Whereas Motoman's bike looks like an industrial, TinkerToy experiment gone horribly wrong." - Aquaholic

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    Boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Maybe I should give Jeff a call and see how everything is going today. He does like to talk...

    You 'bout to use my last good nerve!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    You 'bout to use my last good nerve!
    Don't worry homey. I won't be bothering him. Afterall, it just pushes my bike back too. (the IMPORTANT bike)
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    I wonder how long the wait list is for one of those pencil & scissors holders on the desk...

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    Anyone know why Jeff is wearing a respirator, or what he is doing to the tube in the picture above? It looks like he's trying to get the tube "finished" a bit before he welds it in.

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    Tom I think I know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom
    Anyone know why Jeff is wearing a respirator, or what he is doing to the tube in the picture above? It looks like he's trying to get the tube "finished" a bit before he welds it in.
    I'm pretty sure he's using an air or power tool to do the surface finish. You can see a scotch pad nearby. When you're doing a scotchbrite finish, there are a lot of particles in the air. When I do my frame I also use a respirator.

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    Don't Stop JJ!!

    Don't stop JJ...Don't Stop!!! Ohhh .....please don't stop!



    Tacked up and ready for welding!!!!

    Tom:

    He's finishing and preparing the tubes for welding. Breathing Ti dust is probably not good for the 'ol lungs.
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    Steve, man that is looking awesome!

    Steve

    You and Jeff have scored a home run on this bike!!! It looks great! I'll mail you a gift certificate for a box of Depends as you are waiting!!

    BTW Apple Rocks. I picked up the new imac and in a matter of minutes I was hooked up, and maybe 5 more minutes surfing the web. Having cable modem enables me to view your megapicture threads easily!

    I am very interested to see the front end on that baby!

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    Miter

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    I'm curious, what's going on with the seat tube. It doesn't look like it's lining up with the angle gauge correctly. Wrong mitre angles?
    Rivet:

    As Shiggy mentioned it looks that way because of the miter in the seat tube. All is well.

    The seat tube angle comes off of the BB at about 74 1/2 degrees and then after the miter it ends up at an effective 72 degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobde
    Steve

    You and Jeff have scored a home run on this bike!!! It looks great! I'll mail you a gift certificate for a box of Depends as you are waiting!!

    BTW Apple Rocks. I picked up the new imac and in a matter of minutes I was hooked up, and maybe 5 more minutes surfing the web. Having cable modem enables me to view your megapicture threads easily!

    I am very interested to see the front end on that baby!

    Bob

    Hey Bob:

    Why are you not watching that Johnny Cash special instead of playing on here???!!

    Just you wait till you see what JJ has cooked up for the front end of this beast.
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    wow.

    are you getting water bottle bosses? i am just curious if he does those before or after the bike is welded.
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    Seat tube?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    The seat tube angle starts out at about 74 1/2 degrees and then after the miter it ends up at an effective 72 degrees.


    Is there a reason Jeff doesn't custom bend a one piece seat tube? As flowing as his bikes are I'm a little surprised. BTW, the bike looks great, congratulations.
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    Seat tube miter

    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    wow.

    are you getting water bottle bosses? i am just curious if he does those before or after the bike is welded.
    Negative on the bosses. I never ride with a water bottle. And if I need to use lights, I'll put the battery in my Camelbak.

    The seat tube has to be mitered that way to achieve the desired ST angle and still provide tire clearance. You'll see the same thing in other frames, it's just typically a bend.


    One thing interesting that JJ has done here, is to offset the seat tube towards the rear of the BB shell. Note how it wraps around the rear of the shell. Since I'll never be running a front derailluer, we can get away with this. This gives more surface area to weld(more contact area), and results in a stronger joint. He's actually done the same thing with the downtube.
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    Now I'm drooling............

    It will be a thing of functional beauty and art. You are sooooo lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Don't stop JJ...Don't Stop!!! Ohhh .....please don't stop!



    Tacked up and ready for welding!!!!

    Tom:

    He's finishing and preparing the tubes for welding. Breathing Ti dust is probably not good for the 'ol lungs.
    I like how when you look to the side the seat stay...err TT...er that wavy thing covers the seat tube angle. Very Slick

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    Function over Form

    Quote Originally Posted by HoSS

    Is there a reason Jeff doesn't custom bend a one piece seat tube? As flowing as his bikes are I'm a little surprised. BTW, the bike looks great, congratulations.

    I agree with you and so does JJ, that asthetically it may look better without the miter.

    However:

    1. Seat post insertion would be limited. It would not be able to be lowered to desired depth.

    2. Bending such a large tube would weaken it as opposed to mitering it.


    JJ's mantra: "Function Over Form".
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    Very, very beautiful. Keep `em coming!
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    We are all blessed..

    Watching this beautiful creation come together in the hands of a Master Craftsman in Ti is an incredible treat.

    I honestly think that JJ is at the top of the list for Ti frame builders. Those curved tubes are beautiful work...a masterpiece in metal.

    I just wish that his waiting list wasn't so long, as i'm fast running out of time..

    Ah well, at least I can enjoy seeing him build your frame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    One thing interesting that JJ has done here, is to offset the seat tube towards the rear of the BB shell. Note how it wraps around the rear of the shell. Since I'll never be running a front derailluer, we can get away with this.
    Looking very cool. If no front der, what's the rear hanger and ebb for? Maybe I missed a post or 2 and you've already mentioned all this earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte
    Looking very cool. If no front der, what's the rear hanger and ebb for? Maybe I missed a post or 2 and you've already mentioned all this earlier.

    Monte
    Monte:

    The bike will split time as a SS and a 4 speed. The "studio" shots of the finished bike will probably be in SS mode.


    4 speed photo of JFK's "gold bike".
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    So what's the deeeeeeeal with the Cogs??? - A JJ one-off or a Boone item? Is that a SS Cassette Hub or just a standard Hub? The spacing looks a little funny at that angle.
    Do tell.....What's instore for your Fork??? Don't tease!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT
    So what's the deeeeeeeal with the Cogs??? - A JJ one-off or a Boone item? Is that a SS Cassette Hub or just a standard Hub? The spacing looks a little funny at that angle.
    Do tell.....What's instore for your Fork??? Don't tease!
    Originally it was a Boone/ Cannibalized Sram creation. But JJ found a new source for the 4 speed. That's just a garden variety CK SS hub.

    The fork? I can't give it away now...you'll just have to stay tuned. It will be trick!
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    And speaking of H-bars...

    ....I was riding on 'em long before JJ!
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    Sssuuuuuuuuhhhhhwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttt!!!

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    Aqua,

    That is one beautiful set of tubes you got going there. What do you expect the weight to be on this thing when its done (just frame and fully built)?

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    Good gravy, what a thing of beauty. It almost defies description. I'd have to say that it's the most beautiful piece of functional art I've ever seen.

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    Chills up me Spine!

    Here's the latest. I'm getting chills up my spine looking at these.Seriously.

    Cross members.

    Tacked up and ready for welding.

    JJ's gonna put this thing in a condom at this point and start in on the Truss next. That way he can just do a weld-a-thon.

    I'm getting GEEKED!
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    Uhuh...

    Is that toptube brace welded into he seattube the novelty I think your frame would have?

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    Stop it, You’re killing me. I'm starting to think my kids don't need to go to college (they're only 5 and 2). I wonder how long it would be until my wife figured it out. Any divorce proceedings in the next 2 years are your fault.

    If this thread doesn't double JJ already long a$$ wait, I don't know what will.

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    Here's the latest. I'm getting chills up my spine looking at these.Seriously.

    Cross members.

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    Weighty Matters

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinch
    Aqua,

    That is one beautiful set of tubes you got going there. What do you expect the weight to be on this thing when its done (just frame and fully built)?

    Pinch:

    I asked him that the other day. It's not going to be weight weenie light at all. This beast will get ridden, flown, and flogged hard. So, he's using extra big tubes and beefy, proven components. Projected weight should be in the 25 - 25.5 pound range.

    JJ's fully aware of my track record with bikes...so this is gonna be a "Freeride Jones".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    JJ's fully aware of my track record with bikes...so this is gonna be a "Freeride Jones".
    "I gotta Freeride Jonesssssssss, I gotta Freeride Jones, OOOOOOOO, Baby-Baby, I gotta Freeride Jones."

    I really look forward to seeing this frame built up. Simply fantastic. Curious if you are gonna run BB7s though. Personally, I'm hoping you run Hopes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Uhuh...

    Is that toptube brace welded into he seattube the novelty I think your frame would have?
    I am not understanding this J-G. I am not seeing any "new" construction/pieces on the frame yet.
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    Again, beautiful pictures of an incredible frame. The way the lit frame is protruding from the dark shop... Very nice. Can`t wait to see how the fork is turning out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Here's the latest.
    I love the old vs. new in that last picture. That is his first Ti frame in the background.
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    holy. crap.

    i know there are a few naysayers on this board when it comes to JJ's work, but i can't imagine anyone with the gift of sight looking at the picture of your frame from the rear and NOT getting wood. i say it's impossible!

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    Had enough?

    So, I'm thinking that perhaps you guys don't want to see any more pics, right? You know..hold off on the welding and fork fabrication shots. I could just wait and show you the finished bike. You know, save it all for the big finish.


    Cool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    So, I'm thinking that perhaps you guys don't want to see any more pics, right? You know..hold off on the welding and fork fabrication shots. I could just wait and show you the finished bike. You know, save it all for the big finish.


    Cool?
    Stop being a tease you Jones whore and keep those pics rolling.
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    The Truss has begun to take shape!
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    Is this the best thread in the history of the internet? I think so.
    Keep those pics coming.
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    Omg..

    Is it possible to be in love with a frame?

    Seriously, that frame is absolutely delicious.

    Great pics...the 'birth of a classic'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    The Truss has begun to take shape!
    Fork you Steve, fork you...
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    Cheaper and much more effective marketing than buying full-page ads, wouldn't you say?

    It actually does a great service to serious framebuilders everywhere. JJ can't possibly satisfy the current demand for frames without changing the way that he works (and I hope that he doesn't do that), but other savvy builders should learn from this and provide this kind of experience for their customers.

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    I think I need a new keyboard, mine is full of drool after looking at all those pictures!!! I bet even Dave Turner gets a FMB looking at those.
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    Is that a static phase converter on the wall running your mill?

    I never thought those worked all that well and always went with a rotory. How's yours working for you?
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    Congrats on 10000 views bud. Is that some sort of record?

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    Something like this should help set your Jones apart from all the others, they are everywhere you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Is that some sort of record?

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    Actually, this thread is in 3rd behind the Picture Thread and the FAQ. NOT BAD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Congrats on 10000 views bud. Is that some sort of record?

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    i'm sure at least half of those are from me.
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    Haha, everyday i check this thread just to see if any more pics has surfaced... None!
    Can`t wait to see how the truss works out.
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    I'm not sure which day Aqua will resurface...

    I know he is visiting family and has no computer access, so that is why no new pics. I wonder how far along the fork is today? What a Holiday stress to have!

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    Omg Wtf Lol

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    Steve - With the amount of advertising you're doing for him JJ should just give you this bike. I'm serious, there's got to be a way to track how many orders JJ's getting for his bikes from this thread. He should give you a discount at least!

    Awesome thread. Thanks for sharing!

    Cheers and Happy Holidays to all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Here's some pics I just received of the new style truss fork that JJ cooked up. "This fork will be substantially stiffer laterally than my current fork". "It will pretty much take anything you can throw at, Steve". "Bombproof".

    All this and only a few grams heavier!

    It's a design that he's had in mind for awhile and he says he is itching to ride this bike and test this fork out.
    cool... awesome place to mount a light for night riding, too.

    where do you mount the brakes?
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    New Style Truss

    Here's some pics I just received of the new style truss fork that JJ cooked up. "This fork will be substantially stiffer laterally than my current fork". "It will pretty much take anything you can throw at, Steve". "Bombproof".

    All this and only a few grams heavier!

    It's a design that he's had in mind for awhile and he says he is itching to ride this bike and test this fork out.

    BTW Ian, JJ decided that since this story has done so much to promote his company, he has decided to do this build for me, gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
    Free eh? That is awfully nice of him... Nice to see you finally back at the grind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    cool... awesome place to mount a light for night riding, too.

    where do you mount the brakes?
    Very clean looking!
    If that was my fork there would be a light mount that would tuck the lamps inside the truss (in front of the head tube) for protection.

    I am assuming disc brakes.
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    I wonder if Jeff has thought of making a one-piece steer tube/stem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Free eh? That is awfully nice of him... Nice to see you finally back at the grind...

    Yes, however, he will make up for it on your build. Sorry, Man!

    Shiggster: Disks? Oh Yeah...Big ones.

    One piece steerer/stem? He did do an experimental prototype early on. I think Bryce posted a picture of it in that Truss fork discussion a few weeks ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    One piece steerer/stem? He did do an experimental prototype early on. I think Bryce posted a picture of it in that Truss fork discussion a few weeks ago.
    Nah, I didn't post it. But, I know the bike you are talking about. It is a one piece fork, stem, h-bar combo. According to jeff it is silly rigid. The probel with it was that everything is fixed in place. Which obviously means limited cockpit adjustments. It would really be a pain to take on an airplane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    ...JJ decided that since this story has done so much to promote his company, he has decided to do this build for me,[/FONT] gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
    You do need to collect this thread and set it up as a stand-alone web page/site. A "Birth of a Bike" sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    ...One piece steerer/stem? He did do an experimental prototype early on...
    I was thinking about something like a WTB/Potts/Cunningham LD stem. It would be custom fit, of course. You could have a couple different stem/steerer sizes.
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    Shiggy that is a cool idea!

    I had to do a triple take (I guess I'm slow). But now that I see it, I like it! It'd be the only steer tube in which you trim the bottom of it off! I suppose the only hitch is if Jeff could and/or would do a removable faceplate to clear the H-bar. One other nice part is that you wouldn't have 2 clamps on top of the headtube (Upper truss clamp and the stem clamp).
    I guess another method would be to take say a moots removable faceplate stem of the correct length/angle and weld it onto a Ti Tube and then grind off the binder bolts. Not as pretty as the "Nessie" neck that Shiggy has drawn tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoman711
    Nah, I didn't post it. But, I know the bike you are talking about. It is a one piece fork, stem, h-bar combo. According to jeff it is silly rigid. The probel with it was that everything is fixed in place. Which obviously means limited cockpit adjustments. It would really be a pain to take on an airplane.
    I linked to the shots from the gallery on his website. The "truss" uprights are long, straight, unbraced tubes from the front dropout to the handlebar. Looks to be a step over the line when it comes to practicality and potential crashworthiness.

    I think this is the bar/stem combo that you are looking for:



    That is Josh Ogle holding it. I'd want the curved extensions myself.
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    Finally more pics! Great looking fork albeit not as curvy looking as his past efforts. But it is all good. Very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    JJ decided that since this story has done so much to promote his company, he has decided to do this build for me, gratis!!! What an awesome guy!
    Back up a second.

    Are you saying that your frame will be on the house from Jeff?

    If so, that is ultra cool, jeff must reeeeaaaaallly be a standup guy...and this thread must have reeeaaaaally generated some business for him...which is good...

    The tough thing with respect to a guy working alone in a garage, is that even if the backlog of orders goes out for years into the future, how do you increase you income without increasing the speed of which you produce frames, or hiring someone to help you weld? Lets say on a wild hare that he makes a frame a month (judging by the length of this thread, it's less than that), that only comes out to 40k/yr or so, not counting expenses...of course there's the Hbar, and maybe parts to spec out the bikes if someone buys more than a frame, but still, that's a hard living...

    I wonder if having an apprentice or helper is a future option?

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    I always like to think it's the neighbourhood kids welding up the H-Bars now, cranking out ten of them between school and diner for a buck a pop. I wish I had such a job as a kid.

    Building custom bikes won't make anyone rich. Good think for Jeff is that the world's best bike frames to him are just tubing costs and some free hours of his time. He does seem to build up most customer frames up as complete bikes, possibly doubling turnover. But then, which shop lives off one bike a month?

    I can't believe Jeff is giving away that frame. Did he need any extra publicity? Most of us have clicked on this thread 30 times or more, making up for those 12k views.

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    Whoa! Hold on guys...I was just kidding about JJ giving me a free bike. I hate using those stupid little emoticons, but in hindsight, perhaps I should have.


    Anyway, No freebies for me.

    For the time that JJ puts into these bikes, he should be charging a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic

    For the time that JJ puts into these bikes, he should be charging a lot more.
    i agree. i thought you were serious at first, and it just boggled my mind. for a builder who can crank out a frame a week, and may not have little mouths to feed, a free frame isn't out of the realm of possibility. but for a guy like JJ who takes weeks to craft a frame, and who also has to worry about putting food on the table for his little ones (plus college someday!), it seemed a bit unreal. not to mention his several year waiting list already. it's not like the guy's starving for business!

    btw - tell him to send you more pictures. of anything really. this thread needs constant pictures. on second thought, maybe he could just set up some live streaming video on his site...
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    Even at his retail prices, I assume he's making a very modest living. with 1" ti tubing costing roughly $45/ft; 1.5" tubing at $65/ft, plus the cost of fittings (bottle mounts, dropouts, BB shell, EBB) at another $100 or so; the material costs might not be as much as you think. It's all the hardware required to build that makes it a bit tougher to make a living. That Anvil frame jig is in the $7K neighborhood. Plus any tubing and stay mitering fixtures, tube benders and jigs that he uses, not to mention the cost of that Bridgeport and additional hardware I've seen in the pictures. You're easily looking at $30K and up in hardware that he had to purchase. Plus there's the TIG welder and consumables, waste, alignment table, work space (even from home, it has a cost)...
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    Oh Steve, if only you charged 50cents a view....

    You might have REALLY had a free bike after it was said and done! I'm voting for 20,000 views!

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    Can that fork be built with....

    4130 Cromo? (thin wall of course) Looks like a very nice bike AQ. One more questions about your fork: Is the steer tube plain, as in there is no lip on the bottom of the tube?(it's hel together by clamping force alone?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29inch

    I wonder if having an apprentice or helper is a future option?
    Holy sh!t. I'd be there in a heartbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tractor
    4130 Cromo? (thin wall of course) Looks like a very nice bike AQ. One more questions about your fork: Is the steer tube plain, as in there is no lip on the bottom of the tube?(it's hel together by clamping force alone?)

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    The Jones truss forks use a headset "upper" cup top and bottom. The steer tube is a simple straight tube the gets clamped to the fork on each end.

    Could it be built in cro-mo? Sure, just not by Jeff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tractor
    One more questions about your fork: Is the steer tube plain, as in there is no lip on the bottom of the tube?(it's hel together by clamping force alone?)

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    Straight gauge, non butted, no lip. Here's some pics to help visualize how the Truss goes together.
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    Truss assembly - more.


    Note the last two pics. You can see the difference between my new "Freeride Truss" vs the conventional configuration.

    BTW, we're staying with an aluminum steerer as opposed to Ti. JJ feels that the added strength of the thicker aluminum steerer will be better for me. "It's not worth it to shave a few grams in this area".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Whoa! Hold on guys...I was just kidding about JJ giving me a free bike. I hate using those stupid little emoticons, but in hindsight, perhaps I should have.


    Anyway, No freebies for me.

    For the time that JJ puts into these bikes, he should be charging a lot more.

    Dude, I told you that sarcasm doesn't come through on the web! I almost passed out when you said you were getting it for free. Especially after I gave up my spot for you.
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    I am addicted to this thread. I may need a twelve step program.

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    Haha, me too. Interesting to compare AQs FResque fork versus JJs "old" one.
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    Apprentice

    Could be the newest reality show. I for one would be happy to go. Or maybe a movie Weekend at the Jones. I am sure it would never happen, but likes a real Jones bike one can always dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    That Anvil frame jig is in the $7K neighborhood.
    Well, the new Super Masters are, that one wasn't. Based on this thread, I'll be expecting Jeff to trade up any day now.....
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