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  • 12-20-2012
    RCP FAB
    New Reynolds offerings
    Just got this in an email.... :eek:

    Upcoming New Reynolds Items!
  • 12-21-2012
    vulture
    Yeah, with the news from TT, makes me reconsider some of the big R. The last full reynolds bike I built in 2000 has been beat to hell and back and still rides pretty dang nice.
  • 12-21-2012
    Walt
    Yup
    TT putting all their distribution in the hands of HJ is probably a bad thing, I agree. Hank and Monica (and their son, right?) are great but they have zero idea what builders want/need anymore and they really need to build a modern website, have real-time inventory shown online, etc.

    Maybe this will help HJ step up their game. One can only hope. But if it doesn't, and prices skyrocket for those of us who buy box quantities... I'll be looking at Reynolds too.

    -Walt

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vulture View Post
    Yeah, with the news from TT, makes me reconsider some of the big R. The last full reynolds bike I built in 2000 has been beat to hell and back and still rides pretty dang nice.

  • 12-21-2012
    vulture
    Makes me think it is TT's safe way of getting out of the bicycle tubing business.
  • 12-21-2012
    Live Wire
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vulture View Post
    Yeah, with the news from TT, makes me reconsider some of the big R. The last full reynolds bike I built in 2000 has been beat to hell and back and still rides pretty dang nice.

    Wait, what's "the news"?
  • 12-21-2012
    Walt
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    No more direct sales to framebuilders
    Here's the announcement:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Live Wire View Post
    Wait, what's "the news"?

  • 12-22-2012
    G-reg
    Sooooo if I want to hack up expensive tubes....

    True Temper: HJ, and I think the lot that Pacenti has are TT

    Columbus: Nova or Ceeway

    Reynolds: Wholesale only as far as I can tell.
  • 12-22-2012
    qwertzy
    Rouchouze in France sell Reynolds tubing in small quantities
  • 12-22-2012
    edoz
    Don't forget Bringheli for Columbus/Dedacciai. Although if you think HJ's website and ordering system are archaic...
  • 12-24-2012
    jay_ntwr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Here's the announcement:

    This is crazy. I like HJ, buy stuff from them, and have adapted to doing business "their way" because that's the way it goes. But if I were this Nathan Hill, I'd at least have them put some time into their website and have some mechanism for online ordering if I were going to make them exclusive.
  • 12-24-2012
    golden boy
    Thanks for posting the announcement, Walt.

    I haven't ordered tubing yet, but will probably buy from HJ when the time comes, for better or worse.
  • 12-27-2012
    Golem builder
    Well, two months ago, I asked about the 31.6 seat tube to Fairing. Got an answer that they could order a few for me. I told them I would order 20 units and then no answers from them...

    I'm looking to talk to them at NAHBS.
  • 12-27-2012
    18bikes
    I've had a new Reynolds pricelist through with the above on (no mention of curved seat tubes though?) and I can't wait to get some of the 31.6 seat tubes. Got a frame coming up that will need one so it's saved me some time machining something to suit
  • 12-27-2012
    RCP FAB
    Where did you get the new price sheet? And what are the specs on that tube?
  • 12-27-2012
    shandcycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RCP FAB View Post
    And what are the specs on that tube?


    853 DZB

    BX3050 38.1 1.15-.85/0.6/0.85 730L BENT 11 deg 160.50.40.20.320.50.90
    BX3052 34.9 1.2-0.9/0.65/0.9 730L BENT 13 deg 145.50.45.25.320.50.95
    BX3054 31.75 1.2-0.9/0.65/0.9 730L BENT 15 deg 140.50.50.25.330.50.85
  • 12-27-2012
    shandcycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RCP FAB View Post
    Where did you get the new price sheet? And what are the specs on that tube?

    CX2461 34.1/34.9 - 31.6id 1.15/.55/.8 400L 100.30.90.30.150
    CX2462 34.1/34.9 - 31.6id 1.15/.55/.8 450L 150.30.90.30.150
    CX2463 34.1/34.9 - 31.6id 1.15/.55/.8 550L 125.50.175.50.150
    CX2464 34.1/34.9 - 31.6id 1.15/.55/.8 650L 175.50.175.50.200

    I don't think these (or the bent seattubes) are stock items, at least not in the UK.
  • 12-28-2012
    18bikes
    I've been told the new seat tubes are due towards the end of Jan, don't know about the other stuff
  • 12-30-2012
    fanzy4
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    Reynolds: Wholesale only as far as I can tell.

    For Europe the min. order is 250 euros. That's not really what I would call "wholesale", especially when you order expensive tubes like 853... ;-)
  • 12-30-2012
    18bikes
    I manage to get away with some very small orders (single tubes on occasion) from Reynolds but I don't know whether this is normal
  • 12-30-2012
    qwertzy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 18bikes View Post
    I manage to get away with some very small orders (single tubes on occasion) from Reynolds but I don't know whether this is normal

    Where do you order from, if you don't mind me asking? You are in the UK aren't you?
  • 12-31-2012
    18bikes
    Yes I'm in the UK, I order direct from Reynolds
  • 12-31-2012
    qwertzy
    Reynolds UK ?

    Their website says motorbike tubes only?!?
  • 12-31-2012
    fanzy4
    Try this one:
    Reynolds Technology
    I really have a good experience with them: Keith or Paul always answer within 24hrs to emails, you can pay by Paypal, the shipment is fast, the tubes are nice, and they are constantly releasing tubes which solve our problems (good 29er down tubes, 30.9mm seat-tubes, etc...)
  • 12-31-2012
    coconinocycles
    ...............Ever ream an 853 seat tube.............?
    heinous.
    But at least SOMEONE in showing some interest in making new 29er offerings since it's only been ~ 22yrs since nanoraptors came out.

    - Garro.
  • 12-31-2012
    shandcycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by coconinocycles View Post
    ...............Ever ream an 853 seat tube.............?
    - Garro.

    Every day. It sucks. Flexhone to remove the rough edges. Adjustable (cheap) reamer slightly undersize to get as much material out of the way for the precision ground 27.2 reamer to do the job. Finish with another blast through of the flexhone to clean up. All done with a load of cutting fluid. Horrible job.
  • 12-31-2012
    Walt
    What I think Steve meant....
    ...is that 853 is a dumb material to make seat tubes from.

    Coconino-style sleeving FTW! I probably spend <1 minute per frame on reaming and I've had the same $30 adjustable reamer for >400 frames now.

    -Walt

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shandcycles View Post
    Every day. It sucks. Flexhone to remove the rough edges. Adjustable (cheap) reamer slightly undersize to get as much material out of the way for the precision ground 27.2 reamer to do the job. Finish with another blast through of the flexhone to clean up. All done with a load of cutting fluid. Horrible job.

  • 12-31-2012
    shandcycles
    Yeah, I know. I was agreeing.
  • 12-31-2012
    Walt
    Sorry, I didn't quite pick that up. Must be the 3 beers. Happy new year!!!
  • 01-01-2013
    fanzy4
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shandcycles View Post
    Every day. It sucks. Flexhone to remove the rough edges. Adjustable (cheap) reamer slightly undersize to get as much material out of the way for the precision ground 27.2 reamer to do the job. Finish with another blast through of the flexhone to clean up. All done with a load of cutting fluid. Horrible job.

    I only use their 631 seat-tubes. But now I know who is buying the 853 version ! :D
  • 01-01-2013
    coconinocycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shandcycles View Post
    Every day. It sucks. Flexhone to remove the rough edges. Adjustable (cheap) reamer slightly undersize to get as much material out of the way for the precision ground 27.2 reamer to do the job. Finish with another blast through of the flexhone to clean up. All done with a load of cutting fluid. Horrible job.

    Why do you use them?
    Not a dig, just asking.

    I saw ALLOT of Gunnars and the old Lemonds with split or cracked 853 HT's & ST's - damn hard stuff.
    TT's & DT's no issues i can think of.

    - Garro.
  • 01-01-2013
    coconinocycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    ...is that 853 is a dumb material to make seat tubes from.

    Coconino-style sleeving FTW! I probably spend <1 minute per frame on reaming and I've had the same $30 adjustable reamer for >400 frames now.

    -Walt

    It's definately a time saver (and a tool saver) and a frame saver over time.
    Either that or the 1.25" x pressfit route.
    - Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
  • 01-01-2013
    coconinocycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fanzy4 View Post
    But now I know who is buying the 853 version ! :D

    I think that some mid sized MTB manufaturer must have spec'ed those tubes for a bike run - I don't think anyone at Reynolds is designing this just to look out for the small guy.

    I'm pretty sure we don't have enough collective buying power for manufactures to put much into shiny lures to dangle out for us to see if we bite.

    I have a pretty good idea who it is as they have been asking me advice on steel & 29ers and are from the UK........

    At least Pacenti would have come up with some useful tubes, I wish HJ would get someone on the design side for some real 2013 offerings.

    I like how it's worded in the letters how they are here to help us by increasing our COGS by 75% per bike.
    That's not really helping me out & I've been really putting effort into singing True Temper's praises for years.

    I wonder what went down, as Nathan was transfered out of bike tubing, and then they had Patrick, he was gung-ho, let's ****ing sell tubes, buy a case & it's golden, who but pros buy cases?
    Next, patrick has been "let go" and Nathan is back, not sounding super stoked about it, HJ's has all sales, and Pacenti is blowing out all TT tubing.

    FWIW they said they wil still draw straight gage for me, I have to get 300' at a time.......

    I haven't heard of anyone piecing out cases, as we did not want to collectively kill our golden goose.

    I am seriously looking for other venues for butted tubing other then TT at this time, but man, I sure like Supertherm DT's.
    Maybe not for 4x what I paid for them, however.

    So...............who's going to raise their prices to reflect this?

    Will we have True Temper tubing in two years?

    - Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
  • 01-01-2013
    shandcycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by coconinocycles View Post
    Why do you use them?

    - Garro.

    Honestly? It's as much a marketing issue for us as anything else. We have 3 production frames with 853 tubing and we make big deal out of it. I think it's great tubing, always very close to spec, tons of tube profiles for us to choose from and it has a good 'story'. I love the externally butted seattubes. The 30mm top section works great with our tapered (28 > 32) top tubes.

    It's *very* hard on tools. Yes, it takes a bit more effort/time/money to work with but we're trying to build the best bikes we can. I'm pretty sure if I built with a similar 631 tube, it would be difficult to tell the difference. But I could say the same about the dropouts we use, the braze-ons, the paint etc. I'm not in this to cut corners and make things easy. Also, we charge appropriately. The reaming operation probably takes 10 minutes instead of 5 minutes and we probably spend a bit more on tooling because of it, but in the grand scheme of things, I think that's fine.

    I think about this stuff a lot!! What I always come back to is : 'how can I explain this decision to the customer?'. Other than telling the customer that 853 seattubes are a pia to finish, I'm not sure what else I could say. And that's not information I want the customer to have to think about when trying to make a buying decision. Problems reaming a seattube are our problems, not theirs.

    Sorry, that rambled on a bit! Executive summary is that I like 'em even though they're hard on tools.

    (should also say I've had no issues with broken/cracked tubes, where have you seen them damaged?)
  • 01-03-2013
    Clockwork Bikes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jay_ntwr View Post
    This is crazy. I like HJ, buy stuff from them, and have adapted to doing business "their way" because that's the way it goes. But if I were this Nathan Hill, I'd at least have them put some time into their website and have some mechanism for online ordering if I were going to make them exclusive.

    I talked to Hank today and he's given out a contract to produce a new website with a store but he's not sure on the completion date.

    -Joel
  • 01-03-2013
    TrailMaker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    I talked to Hank today and he's given out a contract to produce a new website with a store but he's not sure on the completion date.

    Good for them;

    It is a "necessary evil" these days. They will see a sales increase from it, no question. I'm sure there have been a lot of hobby type builders "scared away" by their current model, myself included. With a good e-commerce site, a certain percentage of sales will take care of itself with little effort expended. A lot of that will probably be new and/or impulse sales besides.

    I wish them well with it. I predict they will soon wonder why they waited so long!
  • 01-04-2013
    J_K
    There are no bent seattubes available yet or in the near future.
    However they have started the developement and I think they're open for the IDs and ODs.
  • 01-04-2013
    jay_ntwr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    I talked to Hank today and he's given out a contract to produce a new website with a store but he's not sure on the completion date.

    -Joel

    That's great news! I'm looking forward to being able to purchase directly from HJ. Maybe this Nathan guy has it together after all. Whatever the case, this is going to be good for anyone that doesn't buy tubing by the case. Sorry, Walt, looks like you got the short end of this but it's great for guys like me.

    Now if we can just get Joe to add a site;) Just kidding, I would miss talking with Joe.
  • 01-07-2013
    Yogii
    Quote:

    Problems reaming a seattube are our problems, not theirs.
    Amen!
  • 11-22-2013
    shandcycles
    Apologies for digging up an old post but did anyone ever see any of the bent seattubes Reynolds announced?
  • 11-22-2013
    RCP FAB
    No, fairing never had them available for sale that I saw.