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    CBD Oil - no THC and mounting evidence for it's effectiveness

    Recent state votes legalizing marijuana has brought attention to certain properties of the hemp plant that were little known to most of us up until recently.
    Cannabinoids (cannabis oil,) better known as CBD oil, is being found to aid in chronic pain relief as well as treating stress and other ailments (read CANCER) without the side affects of many prescription drugs.
    Charlottes Web (the Stanley brothers) of Boulder, CO are producing, promoting, and marketing the stuff online.
    Another aid is CBD salve, used as an analgesic (pain relief.)
    I have had pretty good results in treating muscle and nerve pain with the salve, and am taking the oil daily for other issues.
    Anyone else using this stuff?
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    I use a few drops of tincture in the water bottle to control seizures. CBD only wasn't as effective.

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    I've been using CBD cream for this itchy spot I got on my back recently. Might be shingles. Anyway, doc gave me some drugs that didn't do anything but the CBD cream is working pretty well to stop itching and burning.
    I've got some drops at home. Took them once and didn't feel anything. I guess its something you need to do regularly to start feeling a benefit.

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    My wife got us started using capsules of Rick Simpson's Oil (RSO) which is essentially hash oil made by extracting the goodness from (legally obtained) buds using 190 proof organic cane alcohol although other solvents such as butane are used as well. RSO has THC which is actually more effective at pain relief, itchy spots, etc although it def gets you high. I take one before dinner for insomnia and it works like a dream, so to speak. Sleep thru the night, get up the next day and feel great. I've been using this every night for about 18 months with no ill effects, loss of strength, etc, and had a physical a month ago with nothing negtive in the bloodwork/exam. I discussed it with my doc who has no problems with the use of RSO. There are a lot of positive health implications from using it as well, here's a link:
    https://healthyhempoil.com/rick-simp...-oil-for-sale/

    If you're going to use it I'd suggest making your own vice purchasing it online/wherever since it's not only easy to make, you'll know what's in it.

    Great stuff.

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    Right on - I'm glad to be seeing this happening in my lifetime, kind of like seeing all the bike trails that have been built in the last 10 - 20 years!

    CBD and RSO are the same product, other than for the THC.

    Charlottes Web uses two different extraction processes - isopropyl alcohol and carbon dioxide. Both yield relatively pure results, with CO2 being the safest means of production. The impurities result more from growing and cultivating the plants, than from processing them.

    Right now it's hard to get commercial oils without the risk of outside chemicals being used, but imbibing the oils are no different than buying and smoking medical marijuana, or any marijuana for that matter, as it all has whatever chemicals were used on it when it was grown.
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    I just googled and found that Texas will allow the use of CBD oil to treat intractable epilepsy sometime in late 2017, sparking interest in Texas to grow and process marijuana to make CBD oil. A few licenses will be issued to commercial operations for this purpose.

    This will be very tightly regulated, with "a special registry of doctors who treat epilepsy and a list of patients already diagnosed with intractable epilepsy". If I understand this correctly, it means the CBD oil would not be available to physicians in a more general way, to eliminate the possibility of off-label prescribing.

    Kinky Friedman did run for Texas agricultural commissioner in 2014, on a reasonable platform: "he said his top campaign issue ó legalizing marijuana and its sister crop, hemp ó would help keep farmers afloat because the plants need relatively less water to grow and are in high demand." Alas, Kinky didn't make the Democratic runoff.

    I can't see Texas legalizing marijuana any time soon -- we're in thrall to socially conservative lawmakers -- but Texas is a deeply agricultural state. When marijuana is legalized some day, the impetus will be from the commercial agricultural sector seeking big $$$ profit $$$.

    Our current agricultural commissioner doesn't believe in medical majijuana, but he's fine with the Jesus Shot. This beaten up wreck of a rodeo cowboy wandered across the border to Oklahoma to get a $300 Jesus Shot on the taxpayers dime. When asked if the Jesus Shot worked, Sid said, "It's worked out good".

    One Jesus Shot is claimed to cure all pain forever. You can get the Jesus Shot only from Dr. Mike, an ex felon (income tax evasion, health care fraud for starters) who had his medical license revoked in Ohio.
    Dr. Mike isn't saying what's in a Jesus Shot, but a past employee says it's a mixture of two anti-inflammatory drugs (Dexamethasone and Kenalog) and Vitamin B12.

    Sid Miller would be better off with CBD oil, I think.
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    You all need to move to WA, you can choose your tonic, open seven days a week, at the Happy Croppe Shop.

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    A local guy was recently arrested for selling his medical stash.

    What would be the benefit to the buyer (other than a possible medical condition not recognized by the state)? Isn't the THC removed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    A local guy was recently arrested for selling his medical stash.

    What would be the benefit to the buyer (other than a possible medical condition not recognized by the state)? Isn't the THC removed?
    Here in AZ, the buyer would save the cost (about $250 yearly) of a MMJ card.

    I don't know if THC can be "removed" unless it's done by mixing different strains during the plant growth cycle.

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    I was given a tour of the Charlotte's Web production facility in Boulder last month.
    They produce their CBD oil out of the hemp plant, which contains nothing more than a trace of THC to begin with. Not sure if any of the oils are 100% THC free.

    Their CBD oil is available through their website, but as you will see, it's not cheap, but then neither is an ounce of pot, so don't let the sticker shock deter you if their CBD oil might make life a little better for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milliesand View Post
    Here in AZ, the buyer would save the cost (about $250 yearly) of a MMJ card.

    I don't know if THC can be "removed" unless it's done by mixing different strains during the plant growth cycle.
    Seems I've repeatedly heard the MM is THC-free, but I've never had a need to investigate it further.
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    The mom who lobbied relentlessly to get the Texas legislature to pass the law for CBD oil for those with intractable epilepss is now in great distress because the relentless regulations associated with growing the source crop and processing it for CBD oil is creating a product so costly that it is financially out of reach for most people. Her daughter has constant seizures.
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    I bought some CBD oil for sleep/shoulder pain a few weeks ago. Supposedly, it had only trace amounts of THC. I tried 2 drops - nothing, 4 drops - nothing, 8 drops - nothing. Then I used whole syringe (maybe 20 drops?) and was stoned 45 minutes later. Can't say it did anything special. I think there is a ton of hype around all this stuff. I've tried different strains of cannabis (sative, indica, etc..) and I have to say that the effect is exactly the same stoned feeling I got smoking pot in college 35 years ago which is cool if that is something that helps you. In my case, give me the drug that energizes me and makes me lucid (haven't found it yet); pot/thc just makes makes me sleepy and stupid. Chris.

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    Wasn't effective for me. I tried the tincture for over a month. Many drops. Worked neither for soreness or pain. Waste of money.


    Pretty sure there are lot people who are making money off CBD hyping this product on forums. Don't believe the hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    Wasn't effective for me. I tried the tincture for over a month. Many drops. Worked neither for soreness or pain. Waste of money.


    Pretty sure there are lot people who are making money off CBD hyping this product on forums. Don't believe the hype.
    Yes, but good lucking getting a believer to see the light.

    I work in a Mental Health Triage, I can't tell you how many folks insist these oils work, but like all things it depends on how much you use; take enough and you'll notice something...

    The issue I have with drugs and alcohol is that it impairs cognition, can lead to addiction, and it does nothing to treat a chemical imbalance or a physiological need.

    As a famous personality once said: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son".

    But for some people it's their way of life.

    I prescribe exercise, staying active, avoiding stressful situations and stressful people, and above all don't sweat the stupid stuff; cuz it's all stupid stuff.

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    Confirmation bias + placebo effect = studies that prove effectiveness

    Many who seek external solutions to treat internal problems buy into the next newest and greatest cure marketing hype.

    Regardless on the outcome of any study, if you believe something helps you feel better, and because of that belief you actually do feel better, then that product is actually effective.
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    If you can use cbd effectively you should, it's far better for you than pharmaceuticals. Impaired cognition comes in many forms...
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    There is also evidence that an "entourage effect", based upon the whole plant, not just CBD, is beneficial for some maladies.

    I'm NOT a stoner by any means and don't like to be "high", but a particular strain saved my colon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb View Post
    If you can use cbd effectively you should, it's far better for you than pharmaceuticals. Impaired cognition comes in many forms...
    Far better for you than pharmaceuticals? Hmm, might I suggest carrots for you nearsightedness and bagbalm in place of shoes?

    So silly, to classify all medications as less effective than a homeopathic remedy, then one day you have a serious illness and itís suddenly ďplease, give me whatever it takes to save meĒ.

    Nothing like a misinformed public to misrepresent the truth.

    Like I tell my patients, I donít really care if you take my advice, itís your body/mind and you have the freedom to choose, but if you want to be healthier and live longer, itís worth considering what I suggest.

    I did get extensive medical training and I do practice this medical thing all the time, but who knows, maybe people can learn more than a medical professional by reading the internet, yeah, sure they can

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    ^Like I said...
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    Appropriate testing on Cannabis has never really been done by the FDA, nor anyone else. Its' ridiculous Schedule 1 status disallows for any medical use, while it's highly likely that CBD truly does have anti-inflammatory properties and could be developed further.

    It's also highly likely that there are therapeutic uses for other compounds in the plant, including THC. Until the Feds get their heads out of their asses and move out of the 30's era Reefer Madness mentality, we may never really know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    The mom who lobbied relentlessly to get the Texas legislature to pass the law for CBD oil for those with intractable epilepss is now in great distress because the relentless regulations associated with growing the source crop and processing it for CBD oil is creating a product so costly that it is financially out of reach for most people. Her daughter has constant seizures.
    Yet another reason to move from Texas to Colorado.

    Seriously, if your kid is having seizures and the state you live in is stuck at around 1952, it might be time to move.

    I'm not pot user, but I have no problem with what Colorado has done. You want CBD/THC whatever? Have at it. Much better than opiods. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal last week about a guy who bought a house in 2005 in Mobile, AL. It went way, way underwater after the crash, so he couldn't get rid of it and had to rent it out. Within a few years, his brand new subdivision was full of pill addicts, and one of his tenants was busted for being a huge source. When you look at the total f*&^ing ridiculousness of a situation where McKesson has been fined hundreds of million of dollars at least twice for pushing opiods, but they are still in business, while people in Texas/Alabama/etc. are in jail for a couple of joints, it is infuriating.

    Don't like my comment about Texas being stuck in the 1950's? Read this: Scale of opioid epidemic in Texas likely obscured by bad data, experts say | The Daily Texan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Far better for you than pharmaceuticals? Hmm, might I suggest carrots for you nearsightedness and bagbalm in place of shoes?

    So silly, to classify all medications as less effective than a homeopathic remedy, then one day you have a serious illness and itís suddenly ďplease, give me whatever it takes to save meĒ.

    Nothing like a misinformed public to misrepresent the truth.

    Like I tell my patients, I donít really care if you take my advice, itís your body/mind and you have the freedom to choose, but if you want to be healthier and live longer, itís worth considering what I suggest.

    I did get extensive medical training and I do practice this medical thing all the time, but who knows, maybe people can learn more than a medical professional by reading the internet, yeah, sure they can
    So what is your take on the over 20,000 people per year who die from prescription painkiller overdoses?

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    According to NORML, there has been extensive research studies on the marijuana plant for quite a while. Some of which were carried out in govt labs and there is no reason to share their results. I think one of the studies involved chimpanzees and trying to determine the LD50. It was something on the magnitude of several pounds in ridiculously short amount of time. There is an Israel lab that has done a far amount of work for decades.

    I was under the impression that CBDs are made in about the same concentration as THCs, depending on the strain. I was told this by a analytical chemist who previously worked in a lab I was a part of who had gone on to one of the MM companies in MN. His job was to grow various strains and use chromatographic methods (supercritical fluid extraction IIRC) to separate the compounds in the plant. The compounds of interest would then be concentrated and combined with the extracts from other extractions to make a homogenous product of known concentration for those with a prescription. One of my previous PIs and another PI who collaborates with him are in a consulting position with the company. I also know someone on campus who is growing hemp and his PI, but his interest is more in creating a database and support for commercial hemp growers to provide material for products for industries other than medical. I'll have to ask him about the content of CBD in hemp. It may be one of the compounds he is looking for when using the GC-MS I see him sitting in front of for days on end.

    Pharmaceutical chemistry has a long history of looking for and isolating compounds of interest from plants that are utilized in homeopathic and traditional medicines. Taxol is a chemo therapy drug isolated from the pacific Yew tree. Opium from the poppy plant from which chemists synthesized morphine, heroin, etc. There are many other examples. The industry also looks at chemical synthesis of known compounds occurring in nature. Additionally, the industry works quite hard at making new compounds and testing them. Viagra for instance started out as something for hypertension and heart issues when the test subjects came back and mentioned the side effect that is now the main reason it is prescribed. We still don't don't know the mechanism by which Tylenol works. I'm not saying that we should be overly wary of the pharmaceutical industry by any means. I'm taking medications to deal with hypertension, cholesterol and high levels of triglycerides. However, the industry does not have it all figured out. Homeopathic medicine has less figured out to be fair, but that doesn't mean it has nothing to offer either.

    Blame Nixon for wanting to get political dissidents (hippies) off the streets, into jails and away from the polls. Granted, the madness was already there as mentioned, but it was a politically motivated action to list is as a schedule 1 drug.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Talked to the student I know working on hemp varieties. CBD concentration in some hemp strains can be 1-3% vs 0.3% THC which is the acceptable threshold for hemp. The drug varieties will produce something around 12-15% CBD and correspondingly THC. Even the dominant CBD drug strains will obviously have more than the acceptable level of THC for field production which is necessary to produce volume without the exorbitant costs for drug production. IIRC the conversational details, Charlotte's Web took a drug strain and crossed it several times with a hemp variety to try and retain the CBD production while lowering the THC levels to the acceptable threshold. It's interesting to me that both compounds are controlled supposedly by a single gene. I find that interesting as typically there is redundancy in plants for various compounds.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    There is also evidence that an "entourage effect", based upon the whole plant, not just CBD, is beneficial for some maladies.
    I don't find this surprising at all. Science can sometimes get lost in the manipulation of one variable at a time which can be short sighted and not necessarily applicable in the real world. That said, science is cool.

    In vitro, in vivo, in silico...
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Blame Nixon for wanting to get political dissidents (hippies) off the streets, into jails and away from the polls. Granted, the madness was already there as mentioned, but it was a politically motivated action to list is as a schedule 1 drug.
    You're not wrong, but the issue goes back way further to a 30's era US Federal Bureau of Narcotics chief, Harry Anslinger. The roots of the illicitness of the "drug" were actually motivated by racism, among other factors.

    Egads! White women were sleeping with black men. Black men were smoking reefer in the Jazz clubs where white women went to dance. The connection was obvious. Marijuana was the cause.

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    ^^^ Anslinger, incidentally, once said that you could grow enough Marijuana in a Toledo Window Box, to get the entire state of Ohio stoned.

    Many years later George Carlin made a comedy album called, Toledo Window Box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    You're not wrong, but the issue goes back way further to a 30's era US Federal Bureau of Narcotics chief, Harry Anslinger. The roots of the illicitness of the "drug" were actually motivated by racism, among other factors.

    Egads! White women were sleeping with black men. Black men were smoking reefer in the Jazz clubs where white women went to dance. The connection was obvious. Marijuana was the cause.

    We have got to evolve, right?
    Oh, let's not forget that cocaine also had a role in those politics during the roaring '20's.

    Unfortunately, there were too many things that were used to diminish people of other cultures, creeds and color in order to maintain some supposed status quo of power, control and money. I certainly hope we can evolve and more importantly that we choose to do so to make the world a better place...
    ...where mtb can subjugate other forms of riding.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    ^^^ Anslinger, incidentally, once said that you could grow enough Marijuana in a Toledo Window Box, to get the entire state of Ohio stoned.

    Many years later George Carlin made a comedy album called, Toledo Window Box.
    Yet another reason to listen to what George had to say...
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Yet another reason to listen to what George had to say...
    As if we needed more. A man WAAAY ahead of his time.
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    I personally used CBD Canada to reduce anxiety and some bad panic attacks. The CBD produces really noticeable effects; after I smoked I noticed a distinct, significant reduction in the anxiety. It gets me super-relaxed.

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    The original theme of this post was CBD oil, it has since been hijacked to essentially a medical marijuana theme. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
    CBD oil is made from the hemp plant, not the cannabis plant. They are closely related but not really the same. Hemp is used to make rope, fabric and other things. The hemp plant contains only .03% thc , which is the part that gets you high. Hemp oil, from which the CBD oil is derived is legal in 50 states as a nutritional supplement. Some of the cbd oil manufacturers go to the extra effort to remove the remaining thc from their products. This prevents possible positive drug tests.
    I have been using both an ointment and a sublingual tincture (under the tongue) for my arthritic hands for a few months. I would love to say that all my pain is gone, but I can't. There is a very significant reduction in the swelling of my fingers. This alone is worth the cost to me. The inflammation is reduced and I rarely have days that my joints just hurt all over. (unless I forget to take my dose for a few days)
    This is not a magic elixir for me but more of a significant step toward making my life better. I am 66 years old and have had arthritis since 25. I spent most of my career delivering food to restaurants and other institutions. My hands are so bent and crooked they look to be about 85 years old.
    P.S. I have taken a drug test after I started using cbd and was clean.

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    ^CBD is good stuff! I've had good results taking Tumeric, or curcumin, it's active ingredient, in gelcaps, for arthritis. The caps with ginger and black pepper also are more potent, I believe.
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