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    Wolvhammer warmer than Lake MXZ 303?

    Just bought a set of Lake MXZ 303 and after two rides in 10 degree temps I'm not overly impressed with the warmth. I'm good for about an hour before the cold really gets to me. I will experiment with various sock layers, etc before I give up on them, but at this point would be willing to shell out the extra $ if the Wolhammer is substantially warmer. I realize this is somewhat subjective but I would be interested in feedback from anyone who has worn both? Thanks.

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    They look marginally better than the Lakes. I think you’ll be warmer adding an over boot to the Lakes.
    A few friends of mine using 45 Nrths report that they are a little warmer, but you will still want to go up a few extra sizes.

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    Well, I'm rocking a size 50 in the lake so not sure I can find an overbook that would fit. My shoe size is a 13 wide so I'm stuck wearing monster truck size winter riding shoes.

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    You could buy a LOT of these for the price of those wolvawhathavu's. Just saying...

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    I agree with the last post. The toe Warmers go a long way!!! I also use Pearl Izumi neoprene MTB bootie covers(oversized) and aerogel insoles. I'm good to at least single digits so far with this setup and I don't have particularly warm feet. Good luck.

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    I've heard that they're pretty equal if you add an aerogel insole. Haven't tried either myself though.

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    I prefer the Lake MXZ303 over the Wolhammer. I found them to be more comfortable and just as warm if not warmer. Plus the price is more reasonable

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    Wolvhammers have kept my feet warm for several hours in single digit temps. They are my first winter boot and so far I don't have anything but good things to say about them.

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    Not trying to thread hijack but how to the Lake 302's compare to the 303's in the warmth dept or in general for that matter? I currently have had the 302's for 4 seasons and will be looking to upgrade soon. Thanks

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    I have Lake 302’s they are a couple of sizes big for me I wear a pair of heavy Filson wool socks. Also I make sure I do not crank my boots to tight and if it get below about -10F REI sells a cover for downhill ski boots that fit good over my boots. The covers have a hole in the bottom that allows you to clip in with no modifications. I have not found any other covers that will work over larger boots. I have friends that have Wolvhammers and they don’t seem to be any better than the Lakes

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    I have a pr of Lake 303s and with a Swiftwick wool sock I am good for 4 hrs at 10 degrees or less. Havent done a ride over 2.5 hrs with temps below zero. I have had NO issues. I went up a size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exp18 View Post
    REI sells a cover for downhill ski boots that fit good over my boots. The covers have a hole in the bottom that allows you to clip in with no modifications.
    Are you referring to these?
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    Yes throughs our the ones I use

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    I have the Lakes, and although we have not had much of a winter, we did have a week of 0-15 degree temps. I rode every day for 2-3 hours with just the Lakes and one heavy sock. They were great. Now if I can just keep my hands warm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by igere View Post
    Just bought a set of Lake MXZ 303 and after two rides in 10 degree temps I'm not overly impressed with the warmth. I'm good for about an hour before the cold really gets to me. I will experiment with various sock layers, etc before I give up on them, but at this point would be willing to shell out the extra $ if the Wolhammer is substantially warmer. I realize this is somewhat subjective but I would be interested in feedback from anyone who has worn both? Thanks.
    I used the wülvhammers up to -15C and never had cold feet.


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    Just order some Lake 303s from nashbar through amazon for 237.99$ Amazon.com: Lake MXZ 303 Winter Cycling Shoe: Sports & Outdoors
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    Riding in -20c conditions for 3 hours today in hammers with no cold feet at all, medium weight smartwool sock. I find them snug at the cuff but roomier in the bottom, so good toe wiggle room

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    ...totally won't work for me then...we only get temps in F here...

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    Do the spd cleats still pack snow to ice on these? That's my biggest issue with mtb shoes in the snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrChad View Post
    Do the spd cleats still pack snow to ice on these? That's my biggest issue with mtb shoes in the snow.
    Have you tried spraying them with WD-40 or similar prior to riding? I think they make a small bottle size that you could carry for reapplication if necessary. I find that it helps, though I'm on Eggbeaters these days.

    Has anyone tried the Scott Heater MTB shoes? On the surface, they look a lot like their normal MTB shoes, but built with an enclosed upper. Maybe a different insole as well? I know Scott shoes aren't that common, but the prices are well under the Lakes. Wondering if they work half as well...

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    I don't have any experience with the Wolvhammers but I went for a 2 1/2 hour ride tonight in my Lake 303's. I was only wearing a single pair of Under Armour socks and my feet were toasty warm.
    19 degrees.
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    Another 2hr ride at 15F in the 303's yesterday. Toes still a little cold by the end but better. I've got plenty of wiggle room as I went up two sizes to accommodate my wide foot. Going to try a thin sock liner under my mid weight smartwools and also toe warmers.

    I paid $175 from Nashbar a few weeks ago with one of their coupons. At that price I'm keeping them regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    ...totally won't work for me then...we only get temps in F here...

    lol...well at least we're on the same page at -40

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrChad View Post
    Do the spd cleats still pack snow to ice on these? That's my biggest issue with mtb shoes in the snow.
    I would think that a normal MTB shoe will heat up the snow on the pedals due to low insulation between the foot/sole and the shoe cleat. If winter boots like Wolfhammers or Lakes are better insulated the snow will not heat up and melt, and hence not as much snow build up will take place.

    And putting a woolen sole in the shoe, given enough space, would increase insulation and decrease heat loss, wouldnt it?

    My Shimano MW's fits only with a thin woolen sock, and yes, theyre cold... Since I got my fatbike a few weeks ago I've been riding more winter conditions than ever before. So a pair of Wolfhammers or Lakes is on the wish list for sure!

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    Wolvhammers are 10 times warmer than my old Shimano mw80s. I've ridden in 9 degree temps. Feet toasty!

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    I was out in the negatives yesterday in a 30+ min TT. 303's worked fine. 2.5 sizes larger (EU size) than I usually wear. Liner and medium weight smartwool sock. I think a boot cover would be needed for extreme cold, long distance rides/races.

    I can't speak to the Wolvhammers. Too much money for my taste.

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    I have the Wolvhammers. Went riding last night in 9 degrees with a three other guys. Relatively deep snow around, though we spent a lot of time on snowmobile tracks.. One in shoes with booties. One in "winter shoes" (garneaus I think) and one in Lake Boots with booties over the top. As you might expect, complaints about cold feet decreased (respectively) across the group, but they all seemed shocked when I reported that my feet were perfectly comfortable and I hadn't really thought about them all night.

    My sense is that there is a SUBSTANTIAL difference in warmth between the Wolvs and the Lakes, and my guess is that that difference gets even more pronounced if you spend any time with your feet in the snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    ...totally won't work for me then...we only get temps in F here...

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    Don't know why the Northwave Arctic Celsius don't get more love. Much cheaper (about 180 at CRC), and I've been impressed so far. Rides of about 2 hours in minus 30ish Celsius and no problems (wearing thick wool sock). The wolvhammers look nice, but that's a lot of dough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyotegulch View Post
    I have the Lakes, and although we have not had much of a winter, we did have a week of 0-15 degree temps. I rode every day for 2-3 hours with just the Lakes and one heavy sock. They were great. Now if I can just keep my hands warm...
    Two words my friend, Bar Mitts. They are like Lakes or Wolvhammers for your hands!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    Don't know why the Northwave Arctic Celsius don't get more love. Much cheaper (about 180 at CRC), and I've been impressed so far. Rides of about 2 hours in minus 30ish Celsius and no problems (wearing thick wool sock). The wolvhammers look nice, but that's a lot of dough.
    I gave the Northwaves serious consideration. No one carries them around me and I wasn't sure about fit. I wear anything from a 48 to a 50 depending on how the shoe is made, so I had to buy what I was able to try on.
    Just so happens the shop near me had Lakes and Sidi Diablos. I was sure I was going to get the Diablos...
    After trying both on, I got the Lakes and saved 40 bucks.
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    Last season I had a brand new set of the Lake MXZ 302 boots and they didn't last long before I dumped them for the W'hammers. No comparison...the W'hammers were way more comfy and warm. I ride a fat bike in Minnesota in the winter too.

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    Re: Wolvhammer warmer than Lake MXZ 303?

    Anyone using the Gaerne G Atrix? I'd be curious how they compare to Lakes/Wolv's, but I've not used them.

    I've only been able to ride the Gaerne's in upper thirties F so far. Toes ended the ride warmer than they started, which never happened with covers over summer shoes over insulated socks over wool socks.

    Amazing how much better they are. Gonna be a good year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    Anyone using the Gaerne G Atrix? I'd be curious how they compare to Lakes/Wolv's, but I've not used them.

    I've only been able to ride the Gaerne's in upper thirties F so far. Toes ended the ride warmer than they started, which never happened with covers over summer shoes over insulated socks over wool socks.

    Amazing how much better they are. Gonna be a good year.
    I like the Wylam ers a lot. Very comfortable, almost too comfy as my summer shoes are not as comfy. Used them several times on -15C rides and never had cold feet.

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    I finally got to see the Wolvhammers up close yesterday. What a nice looking shoe.
    I'll get them next time.
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    I'm running a pair of Exustar winter boots with thick neoprene booties on top of that.
    Last winter I got a pair of Sidas heated insoles. What a revelation.
    Could go for 5-7 hours in close to -20C temps at the lowest setting and the feet were toasty. Highly recommended.
    Now I just need something similar for the hands. Have pogies, but I dont like the bulkiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    I'm running a pair of Exustar winter boots with thick neoprene booties on top of that.
    Last winter I got a pair of Sidas heated insoles. What a revelation.
    Could go for 5-7 hours in close to -20C temps at the lowest setting and the feet were toasty. Highly recommended.
    Now I just need something similar for the hands. Have pogies, but I dont like the bulkiness.
    I've used similar heated insoles in ski boots for years. As someone terribly prone to icy toes, I've long thought of using heaters in bike boots but couldn't figure out an elegant place for the batteries. What's your solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel View Post
    I've used similar heated insoles in ski boots for years. As someone terribly prone to icy toes, I've long thought of using heaters in bike boots but couldn't figure out an elegant place for the batteries. What's your solution?
    The batteries have clips that clip to the upper part of the booties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    The batteries have clips that clip to the upper part of the booties.
    Yes, but I was fearful that they would get knocked off and lost in the snow. You have any issues?
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    Some great info here, thanks. Does anyone have experience of much hike-a-bike in either of these shoes? We'd heard that the Wolvs were prone to carving up feet when walking, although I appreciate that's going to vary from one rider, or hiker!, to the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel View Post
    Yes, but I was fearful that they would get knocked off and lost in the snow. You have any issues?
    Not even remotely. The clips on the batteres are like 2'' long, so they grip very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Not even remotely. The clips on the batteres are like 2'' long, so they grip very well.
    Thanks for the info. Cold feet is a major issue for me ever since a bad episode of frostbite years ago.
    I have Lake 303s. They are marginally good enough and I'll often stick air activated boat heaters in them.
    My Wolvhammers just arrived. They certainly look to be a lot more substantial than the Lakes, but I haven't had a chance yet to use them. I used my old Lakes in 31deg F temps last night and my toes were frigid.

    For those interested, the Wolvs run narrow and on the small side. I'm usually size 11/45. I found the 46 to be snug and settled on 47.
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    I have 303's and they are great in comfort and warmth with thin wool wicking socks. -30c on about 2 hr rides and I am still good. Wide toe box is nice too. Boa, nice and easy.

    My wife just picked me up a set of these heated soles with a remote control for colder longer rides: Heated Insoles by Thermacell | Heated Insoles - Sizse XL | Home Depot Canada

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    Compared wolvhammer to lake 303 at my LBS. interestingly, They have the exact same sole. I have used lake302sfor a few years. Use hand warmers in the toe box for single digit temperature rides over an hour. What ever you get buy big for extra room to layer socks. I use a thin wicking liner under a thick wool mix sock. I like the metal tipped toe spikes for hiking/walking icey sections.
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    Thanks for the info on the insoles I may have to get a pair. These plus my planet bike winter shoe covers and I maybe all set.

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    I have the lake, and just got the Wölvehammer, and after one ride I am hooked, my feet were super toasty and I loved the fit. I think the lakes are more like the Fasterkatts, as far as using them in a transitional season.

    I would reccomend getting one size larger on the Wolvs, I wish I had gotten a 49/50 instead of the 48 just for layering purposes. I guess I could always tuck a toe warmer in them if it gets really cold.

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    Hey guys, i will be commuting in 20-40 deg f weather a lot and was wondering which would be better the lake mx145 or should i just get the mxz303? I can get a good deal on either so which would you guys recommend? I probably wont be commuting in colder weather than what i listed if that makes a difference.

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    303 wide is amazingly warm and comfy. Lookin at the mx145 with boa top and bottom, it might be harder to get your foot in if the top doesn't open enough. But I love boa.

    20ºF to 40ºF is -7ºC to 4.4°C, which ain't considered cold weather up here. -31ºF now that's cold riding.

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    Yeah the Colorado front range rarely gets below 20 deg and if it does i probably wont ride, i definitely would not ride in the negative temperature ranges sorry guys just not for me lol. I have tried on both boots and both function and fit well in a eur 45 i just don't want to make a mistake, i don't want to buy the 303 if its not need for 20-40 deg, because the 145 is a lot lighter and fits like a normal cycling shoe as opposed to a boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndYUK View Post
    Some great info here, thanks. Does anyone have experience of much hike-a-bike in either of these shoes? We'd heard that the Wolvs were prone to carving up feet when walking, although I appreciate that's going to vary from one rider, or hiker!, to the next.
    I went for a 2hr ride with my Wolvhammer's and right after that I went for a 3hr hike in over 6" of fresh snow and they kept my feet warm and dry.
    Great shoes!

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