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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    I find it humorous that people want to talk about chainstay stiffness on bikes that are rolling huge, heavy, slow, knobby tires.
    Well, I think if chainstay stiffness were an issue(IDK if it is), it would be on the symmetrical 190mm QR in frames with a small angle between the chainstays and the seat stays. I would think the 190mm QR may have some pretty noticeable torsional flex in the chainstays unless they use a stiff oversized axle with a bigger flange to the dropouts and a very strong QR, or design the frame to have stiffer(heavier) seat and chain stays to start with.

    The wheel flex is probably more noticeable on a 135mm hub, in a centered wheel, where the spokes are pretty straight going to two rows of spoke holes at the rim without crossing over each other. Asymmetrical wheels shouldn't have this problem with the spokes all inline near the center of the hub flanges. Wider hub wheels are the stiffest.

    But, like you said, with big knobby tires at low pressures, who's going to notice the flex anywhere.

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    I got sick of buying de-rail-yours after 5th wrap around.
    She-who-rides-with-me was a stick magnet. Bought an A8, mounted it to my Pugs as a test sled, and didn't want to swap it to her 907. So I bought an A11.
    Got me riding the Pugs again. Both 907's and Pugs are offset. Both run the size of tire/wheel we like.

    Best of all..both take us into the woods where the air is scented by pines and clean water.

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    Hmmmm, while typing that^^, I was thinkering...my spare, offset pugs frame would look better with some rabbit holes and 29+ tires, and maybe a de-rail-your...

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    Ice Cream Truck. Very interesting to go back and read the posts...
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Ice Cream Truck. Very interesting to go back and read the posts...
    Now let me ask if they'll ever make a Big Fat Endo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Ice Cream Truck. Very interesting to go back and read the posts...
    Yes. And it's very nice to ride too...

    I have one on order. It's going to be my singlespeed.

    Any singlespeeder taking a close look at the BB area and the stays on the Ice Cream Truck will want one. Nice solid design.

    Through axles solve all the squirm problems that using hubs with axles designed for road bikes had.

    Suitable dropouts for singlespeed will be available.

    The only negative is hubgear incompatibility.

    Did I mention I like the colour too...

    Edit: I've just cancelled mine. They're coming into the UK at an eye watering price for a non custom bike with standard tubing. I decided that paying 36% more than for a Pug frameset was too much of an early adopter tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - Surly already does make symmetrical fat bikes. They have a Salsa sticker on them.

    In all seriousness I think Surly should keep the Pugs as is and make the ML symmetrical. That gives almost everyone what they want.

    Pugs:

    - IGH friendly
    - cheap standard hubs
    - runs BFLs on 82mm rims
    - runs 29+ rubber on Rabbit Holes for summer use
    - Salsa makes symmetrical version for those who want it

    Moonlander [symmetrical]

    - runs everything currently available
    - steel fatbike
    - hubs will be mo' 'spensive
    So now the question is will the Moonie survive or is it Pugs + ICT???
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    So now the question is will the Moonie survive or is it Pugs + ICT???
    My guess is yes, the Moonie will continue to have fans. 1st because it will take IGH hubs but also because, though I haven't seen all the details numbers wise, the geometry looks to be quite different too.

    You know how it goes too, you just can't tell about a bike 'till you actually get on one and ride it. Guessing it will be late Summer before many of us get a chance to do that. Pic's sure look great though!!

    Edit: except for Coast Kid... Lucky!

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    Enjoyed the first ride in the UK of an ICT last Friday at Forth Fat just after Tyler pulled it out the box, real nice. A Krampus on Quadruple steroids!!!
    Nice features like;
    Direct mount SLX mech that gives real quick changing,
    Loads of chain to tyre (UK spelling!) clearance,
    Yet also a decent chainline with 2x10,
    Rear seat stays that were nowhere near my size 11 clogs.

    An Alfine 8spd will be going on my Moonie with its BFL`s for grassland field boundries and salt marshes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    My guess is yes, the Moonie will continue to have fans. 1st because it will take IGH hubs but also because, though I haven't seen all the details numbers wise, the geometry looks to be quite different too.

    You know how it goes too, you just can't tell about a bike 'till you actually get on one and ride it. Guessing it will be late Summer before many of us get a chance to do that. Pic's sure look great though!!
    There will be fans no doubt....just wondering if the sales numbers between those two platforms justify keeping both.

    If the ICT has Krampus geo it will tour just fine. The big wheels provide so much stability you don't need "touring geo" on these bikes.

    I'm an IGH fan so I appreciate that about the ML, but I haven't drunk enough kool aid to forget we are in the minority.
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    this is why i'm greatly anticipating delivery of an ICT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    this is why i'm greatly anticipating delivery of an ICT!
    What's the ETA of the ICT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
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    Will Surly Ever Build A Symmetrical Fat Bike?

    Their blog predicts Aug.


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    Aug=oct

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
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