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    Why is everyone so grumpy lately?

    Everybody and their dog seems to be in a crappy mood lately. What's up with that??

    We have lots of frames, tires, rims, steel, aluminum, carbon, front & rear suspension stuff coming out. Crazy expensive toys, and cheap stuff, and everything in between. Tons of options for everyone.

    Is it because fatties are popular now, so they're not cool like 10 years ago when nobody knew what they were except for a handful of people that only rode them in the snow?

    I think it's pretty damn cool that there are so many choices.

    Are they fast? yup
    are they slow? yup
    do they shred singletrack? yup
    are they slower than *insert skinny tires bike here*? yup
    are they heavy? yup
    are they light? yup
    are they better on the beach? yup
    are they fun? YUP (I think a lot of you grumps are forgetting this fact)
    should fatties stay rigid because you don't need squish with the big tires? yup
    are they awesome with suspension fork? yup
    do people need to lighten up & stop being jerks on the forum? yup
    Do we need a reminder that we are grown adults riding bicycles for fun? Yup.....


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    Yup!!!!
    The older I get the better I was...

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    How can you be grumpy when fat bikes take you places like this?
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    Personally I'm excited!!

    And crabby at the same time, what's everyone else's excuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    And crabby at the same time, what's everyone else's excuse?
    You have a valid excuse! I'd rep you but I have to spread it around more before I'm allowed again Get better!!

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    So the story behind that hardware is? Surely they are titanium.
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    It's winter and does not snow here.

    Today's Highlight: It rained all day, I forgot my waterproofs and have had soggy undies since before lunch #wantanofficejob

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    Quote Originally Posted by urmb View Post
    So the story behind that hardware is? Surely they are titanium.
    Si joint fusion from a bad fall, I have been off a bike for about 8 months and not sure if I will ever ride yet walk good again and why yes they are $135,000 TI screws

    p.s. Thanks Shark

    Can't wait to get me some fatback carbon rims and Sterling tires.

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    Here's to you getting better! Glad you went lightweight with the Ti hardware

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    Need more Bikes Direct Fatbikes to be in stock.
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    For me, I either need snow or sun. Either one will work but this 500 year rain event is a little old already.

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    I saw hint's here and there but did not realize it had been 8 months, I have been wanting to ask. Thanks for sharing. Had an obstacle myself but looks like I made it through okay. I have had to learn the phrase "the new normal" I think with your passion and enthusiasm you will walk and ride again.

    Best wishes.

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    Bdundee, it looks like you went both ways on that rear end- 170 and 190 Wishing you a speedy recovery!

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    Re: Why is everyone so grumpy lately?

    I think everyone else is grumpy cause their resale values are droppin like a rock. So much shiny new fat on the market that nobody will want the old.

    Or they're just mad at the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Everybody and their dog seems to be in a crappy mood lately. What's up with that?? ...
    Dunno, it seems to have happened with the introduction of the fatbikes designed with "trail geometry" and now that all the old fatbikes are unrideable crap, the old hands are cranky.

    Oh, and the influx from the trendier forums of chaps who wear their sister's jeans and who have tantrums when their internet acquired expertise is contradicted by real life experts such as mikesee.

    I base that latter observation on this PM I got, containing such gems as ...I'd blow you away on or off the bike in real life. You're pathetic. Go slap yourself with a dead trout...

    To be fair if I had to cram myself into my sister's jeans, I'd be tetchy too.
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    Some people just aren't happy unless they are pissing everyone else off.

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    I'm grumpy because the world is over populated and everything is going downhill fast. There are no longer the type of opportunities in the world their used to be and everything is so competitive that margins are almost non-existent. Growth of the type our fathers and grandfathers relied on is no longer sustainable. I have at least had a good start in life, but what about the current generation that are looking for their first job. The world has gone to seed.

    That is why I am grumpy, but I do try to look on the bright side of life....."Always look on the bright side of life..de dah, de dah de dah de dah...."

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    I was a member of a skiing forum for the past 12 years. Lately many folks starting acting like an ass-hat and the forum is no more. There is a lesson to be learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Dunno, it seems to have happened with the introduction of the fatbikes designed with "trail geometry" and now that all the old fatbikes are unrideable crap, the old hands are cranky.

    Oh, and the influx from the trendier forums of chaps who wear their sister's jeans and who have tantrums when their internet acquired expertise is contradicted by real life experts such as mikesee.

    I base that latter observation on this PM I got, containing such gems as ...I'd blow you away on or off the bike in real life. You're pathetic. Go slap yourself with a dead trout...

    To be fair if I had to cram myself into my sister's jeans, I'd be tetchy too.
    I was just that thinking I hadn't seen Velo around these parts and I pretty much knew why. Sorry it turned into this and I'm probably as guilty as the next. I also tried to stay away but out of boredom and all the new shiny stuff coming out I just couldn't do it. I still remember the days the threads of yesteryear the ones of builder fenders, widening cranks, hubs, drilling holes. for that matter everything had to get wider. It was where part of my love for Fat bikes came from, tinkering and seeing everyone's own take on what their fatty should be. Now everything is made for us, more than we could've ever dreamed of. I still remember your red fender build and how some newbie didn't like the color and you reamed him a new one, still makes me smile. Anyoo rambling on and please stick around I still very much enjoy your post.

    Oh and thanks everyone for the wishes....bOb

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Some people just aren't happy unless they are pissing everyone else off.
    Sad but true.

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    It's all the damn new kids, thinking that the water was at last warm enough for them to jump in, since FINALLY, a brand made a fatbike, that also makes bikes that were ridden in the Tour De France....




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    Bemoaning our amazing good fortune (regardless if its fatbikes or cost of chai lattes) = First world problems.

    i'm begrudgingly doing our first local cross race tonight (still deliberating on my tcx or my 9zero7 w the fork of many names and nates) and its going to be drizzling and +9c. poor me.

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    I am grumpy cuz I don't get enough sleep, and I have a 2 year old at home and a 25 week prego wife with Doctors orders to take it real easy. I come to this forum to enjoy reading, but the fat bike area is once again clouded up by noobs (brought in by the flurry of new fatbike activity) making threads about sh!t that has already been answered.

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    You cannot change other people's behavior. However, our own behavior is totally within our own grasp. Instead of arguing on the internet, why not direct that energy into planning the most incredible regional Global Fat-Bike Day celebration, or focus on physical therapy to recover from your injuries or doing something meaningful for your loved ones. Blaming others will only further polarize new fat-bikers from the early adopters and create more conflict. If you truly seek a kinder fat-bike forum, the first step is to be kind. Treat new members as you wish to be treated and just try to remember to be nice, when ever possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    ...but the fat bike area is once again clouded up by noobs (brought in by the flurry of new fatbike activity) making threads about sh!t that has already been answered.
    I don't see that as a problem, fair enough for academic and technical fora, but I view a social forum like a conversation.

    Just because something has already been asked or said doesn't mean it can't be asked or said again, plus there will be cromulent new contributions and dissent which will embiggen the topic.




    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I was just that thinking I hadn't seen Velo around these parts and I pretty much knew why. Sorry it turned into this and I'm probably as guilty as the next. I also tried to stay away but out of boredom and all the new shiny stuff coming out I just couldn't do it. I still remember the days the threads of yesteryear the ones of builder fenders, widening cranks, hubs, drilling holes. for that matter everything had to get wider. It was where part of my love for Fat bikes came from, tinkering and seeing everyone's own take on what their fatty should be. Now everything is made for us, more than we could've ever dreamed of. I still remember your red fender build and how some newbie didn't like the color and you reamed him a new one, still makes me smile. Anyoo rambling on and please stick around I still very much enjoy your post.

    Oh and thanks everyone for the wishes....bOb
    Hey, we've been missing you too, but we're not going to speak to you because you got old style Ti screws instead of carbon fibre. (Get well soon)

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    Life is about choices. I'm going to choose to be happy that I am able to ride a fat bike. Happy that I have friends to ride trails with. Happy there is dirt and rocks and trees.happy that there was a fat bike forum 3 years ago that I stumbled into. Happy there were some nice folks in here to answer my noob questions.
    After I finish working today in good ol Gary Indiana, I'm going to go ride my outdated 135mm fat bike and love every minute of it.

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    I'm a new "kid"- I really appreciate all of the knowledge and advice on this forum. I tend not to pay attention to the grumpy stuff.

    Almost 40 years old and I was out in my side yard practicing riding wheelies last night...

    Slap yourself with a dead trout... that's awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    I don't see that as a problem, fair enough for academic and technical fora, but I view a social forum like a conversation.

    Just because something has already been asked or said doesn't mean it can't be asked or said again, plus there will be cromulent new contributions and dissent which will embiggen the topic.
    I guess I find a lot of enjoyment in doing my own research. But also believe that Google is a very powerful tool. Some day the internet will be full and we will have to go back and delete threads that are repetitive.

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    I'm grumpy out of sympathy for bdundee.
    Get better, dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    ...Some day the internet will be full and we will have to go back and delete threads that are repetitive.
    Don't worry, I've got most of it memorised.... (The important bits, that is )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Everybody and their dog seems to be in a crappy mood lately. What's up with that??

    We have lots of frames, tires, rims, steel, aluminum, carbon, front & rear suspension stuff coming out. Crazy expensive toys, and cheap stuff, and everything in between. Tons of options for everyone.

    Is it because fatties are popular now, so they're not cool like 10 years ago when nobody knew what they were except for a handful of people that only rode them in the snow?

    I think it's pretty damn cool that there are so many choices.

    Are they fast? yup
    are they slow? yup
    do they shred singletrack? yup
    are they slower than *insert skinny tires bike here*? yup
    are they heavy? yup
    are they light? yup
    are they better on the beach? yup
    are they fun? YUP (I think a lot of you grumps are forgetting this fact)
    should fatties stay rigid because you don't need squish with the big tires? yup
    are they awesome with suspension fork? yup
    do people need to lighten up & stop being jerks on the forum? yup
    Do we need a reminder that we are grown adults riding bicycles for fun? Yup.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Everybody and their dog seems to be in a crappy mood lately. What's up with that??
    FYI, my dogs are not in a crappy mood. With me it comes and goes.

    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    I've been mostly lurking here for 2+ years gleaning all I can from the likes of Velo and Gomez and Dundee etc...the DIY vet corps that keep this thing afloat for real. I'm wrenching my own bikes for the first time thanks to you guys and loving it. I'm also one of those annoying noobs that isn't always patient enough to sift through all the old threads to find what I need, so sorry for wasting anyone's time, but thanks for your patience.
    Yea, crustiness can be mostly first world problems and all that, but a healthy critical perspective will only benefit our feeble attempt to get it right on this rock anyway. I try to stay positive and don't sweat the small stuff, esp the ****-flinging that always smacks of immaturity anyway. I'm with the guy above; nearing 40, two kids I can't wait to ride bikes with, fat or non, and practicing wheelies on my Necro at work over my lunch hour until I figure my wife will let me bring it home w/o a serious 'reaming'. Can't wait for my commute to get fat! Got bit by the bike bug again a few years ago after being out of it for 15 years and I'm blown away daily by the developments and all there is to learn from these forums. All a sudden I've got a stable of Surlys (KM, Necro, BD, and trying to fight the urge to splurge on a new Moonie, good lord its gorgeous). Anyway, at the very least I now have the word cromulent in my vocabulary. Cheers all and thanks for your time.

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    I've got it!

    It's the opposite of cabin fever!

    We're mooching around being miserable waiting for the weather to deteriorate so we can enjoy our bikes again.

    Bring on the gales and blizzards
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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenmonkey View Post
    I'm with the guy above; nearing 40, two kids I can't wait to ride bikes with, fat or non, and practicing wheelies on my Necro at work over my lunch hour until I figure my wife will let me bring it home w/o a serious 'reaming'. Can't wait for my commute to get fat! Got bit by the bike bug again a few years ago after being out of it for 15 years and I'm blown away daily by the developments and all there is to learn from these forums. All a sudden I've got a stable of Surlys (KM, Necro, BD, and trying to fight the urge to splurge on a new Moonie, good lord its gorgeous).
    Whoa! That's like me, except replace the KM with an Ogre, add two Transitions, and replace the keeping the bike at work with telling white lies to my wife about how I keep acquiring bikes
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    I'm gettin' a little crabby because my 190mm 9Zero7 still hasn't shown up yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    And crabby at the same time, what's everyone else's excuse?
    Dude, you are SO screwed! Get better!
    This isn't a "you're doing it wrong" topic.

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    Let's see, is it:


    Or maybe:


    I have noticed that when people can't ride, they grump more on forums - usually that's winter/early spring on bicycle and motorcycle forums.

    But Fat Bikes are year-round, so what's up with that?



    They're not Bud & Lou, but don't worry - be happy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Whoa! That's like me, except replace the KM with an Ogre, add two Transitions, and replace the keeping the bike at work with telling white lies to my wife about how I keep acquiring bikes
    LOL. I'm also fighting off that new Instigator. Been looking at used Sovereigns and Trans Ams in lieu of a $3K tag I can't really absorb for now...

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    this is why i be grumpy

    only a matter of time
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    Everybody is pissed because they finally realized they can't afford all the new carbon bikes, rims, bits and pieces that they have been having fat fantasies about for the last 3 years. We are going through the stages of grief, and we are stuck on anger. I do enjoy the bartering stage though: Oh, if only one of the big companies would make a carbon fat bike. That would drive prices down.

    PS, and the tires are still too damn expensive.

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    Why am I grumpy lately

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    5 months ago, my creative director got sacked and a new one came in. On the one hand, it's great to have a new creative director with lots of energy and fresh ideas and my work is better than ever. On the other hand, I've had to work late several times a week for the last 5 months because the new guy is a late worker. As he put it "I just got divorced, I don't have anything at home, I might as well be here". Which is great for him, but I do have a wife and kid at home, and I've not been able to ride much the last 2 months because of work. And my previous creative director was not a late worker. He was a "get out of here, it's 5" kind of guy. So, 40 hours a week has turned into 50-60 hours a week.

    Meanwhile, my wife just got a promotion- the kind that comes with a whole lot more responsibilities and not a lot more money, And so between my working late and her working late, we've barely seen each other for the past couple months, and when we do have an evening where we're both home, we're both too exhausted to do anything.

    And to add insult to injury, I did an awesome job of losing weight this last year, and right now, due to the fact that I haven't been running or riding as much (was at the office until 10 last night) and because I'm stressed to hell and eating badly, my weight is starting to go back up.

    Yay.

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    I'm in same boat as mtnbykr except 5 weeks ago. Can't work, going stir crazy, At least yesterday I was able to ride mukluk to the mailbox.
    There is finally a light at the end of tunnel.

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    This thread sucks !!!
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    Shark, as long as there is forum anonymity people are going to be jerks.

    Heck, another forum I post to *isn't* anonymous, and people are still kind of jerks when not face to face.

    It's a reason I post with my name.

    Things will turn up man. Snow will arrive at some point, even in the lower 48, and we'll get to hear the soft-sharp whisper-hiss of squishing new powder. At least that is what I try to tell myself every day to prevent me from PUTTING MY FACE THROUGH A WALL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~ View Post
    You cannot change other people's behavior. However, our own behavior is totally within our own grasp. Instead of arguing on the internet, why not direct that energy into planning the most incredible regional Global Fat-Bike Day celebration, or focus on physical therapy to recover from your injuries or doing something meaningful for your loved ones. Blaming others will only further polarize new fat-bikers from the early adopters and create more conflict. If you truly seek a kinder fat-bike forum, the first step is to be kind. Treat new members as you wish to be treated and just try to remember to be nice, when ever possible.
    PFFFT!! Whatever GOMEZ... what do you know??? Being all logical and understanding and stuff. ARg... this makes me SOOO GRUMPY!!!!

    ***kiiiiiiding***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Oh, and the influx from the trendier forums of chaps who wear their sister's jeans and who have tantrums when their internet acquired expertise is contradicted by real life experts such as mikesee.
    ^^This^^

    Though on the other hand, based on what happened to the 29er forum, those of us who have been around for a little while knew this was coming, didn't we? These behaviors do try the patience, but I firmly believe that Gomez is correct...meeting them with patience and kindness is the only workable solution.

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    Im pretty happy, just got married, i have a fatbike, my wife has a fatbike... single track has been fun this summer... been playing small games of FAT bike polo (on GRASS) and winter is just around the corner

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    Quote Originally Posted by liquidboarder2k4 View Post
    . been playing small games of FAT bike polo (on GRASS)
    Wow, around here the bike polo games are usually on PBR.
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    Life's pretty good, ups and downs, overall things are up right now. Live in one of the best places in the world. Waiting for a break in the weather to do a big weekend mountain traverse, but in a few weeks there'll be too much snow.

    Putting together my fatbike, that's lots of fun.

    Hey bdundee, I had a big nerve injury in my pelvis a few years ago from idiot physios and doctors. I should have sued. Anyways I was out for a year basically unable to walk (or move) and in extreme pain, I thought I was going to die, they thought it was cancer in the spine.

    I figured it out, rehabbed it myself, now I'm back up to 100%, went for a big jog last night and tons of bike riding. The body can do amazing recovery.

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