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    Walmart Mongoose Beast sucks!

    I'm enjoying of all the discussion about this bike. And I've contributed to it. But we've heard very little from people who have ridden the thing.

    Well I have, and it sucks. There, I said it.

    The thing is way too heavy. The 32/18 gearing is way too difficult. Folks, you are not going to want to ride this bike along the beach at night. If you use it to get beer, that beer is going to be well earned.

    I'm not saying it doesn't have potential. I'm going to get my Black Floyds out of the basement and see how much lighter it makes the bike feel.

    I'm 6' 2", so the bike is a little too small for me. I'm going to put a longer seat post in it and change the front end some how so I'm stretched out a little more.

    But until I change things up, my stock Beast sucks!

    And yours will, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    I'm enjoying of all the discussion about this bike. And I've contributed to it. But we've heard very little from people who have ridden the thing.

    Well I have, and it sucks. There, I said it.

    The thing is way too heavy. The 32/18 gearing is way too difficult. Folks, you are not going to want to ride this bike along the beach at night. If you use it to get beer, that beer is going to be well earned.

    I'm not saying it doesn't have potential. I'm going to get my Black Floyds out of the basement and see how much lighter it makes the bike feel.

    I'm 6' 2", so the bike is a little too small for me. I'm going to put a longer seat post in it and change the front end some how so I'm stretched out a little more.

    But until I change things up, my stock Beast sucks!

    And yours will, too.
    If it is that bad, my address is...

    I get that for someone who has a nice fatbike, it is a def downgrade. But as someone who lacks a fatbike (a serious oversight, I must admit), I would be happy if someone handed me a beast.

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    Re: Walmart Mongoose Beast sucks!

    Guys, I hate to say it, but what did you expect? You should know better by now.

    Geez...

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    Please, someone pinch me when all this beast chatter is done clogging up an otherwise awesome board.

    Whatever floats your bike, dude

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    My heart bleeds LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin Mustangs View Post
    Please, someone pinch me when all this beast chatter is done clogging up an otherwise awesome board.

    I am strangely drawn to the the walgoose discussions and repelled all at once. The serious discussions on this bike really make me question the validity of other discussion items on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    My heart bleeds LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin Mustangs View Post
    Please, someone pinch me when all this beast chatter is done clogging up an otherwise awesome board.

    +1 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin Mustangs View Post
    Please, someone pinch me when all this beast chatter is done clogging up an otherwise awesome board.

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    +1 !
    +2. There are those who are going to get one and convince themselves its OK just because they dont want to admit the massive limitations of the bike.

    The whole thing just confuses me... because mtbr and the forums are based around higher quality mountain bikes, parts, and reviews... and all of a sudden you have a bunch of people giving a bike from Walmart credibility? Then people who have experience with fat biking being told they are a snob for trying to say its not gonna work well. And funniest of all, people trying to say it won't be used for fat biking... in a thread about fat biking. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post
    And your mouth runs...
    "Tis true ... But my points are valid, and not implied/insulting drivel

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    +2. There are those who are going to get one and convince themselves its OK just because they dont want to admit the massive limitations of the bike.

    The whole thing just confuses me... because mtbr and the forums are based around higher quality mountain bikes, parts, and reviews... and all of a sudden you have a bunch of people giving a bike from Walmart credibility? Then people who have experience with fat biking being told they are a snob for trying to say its not gonna work well. And funniest of all, people trying to say it won't be used for fat biking... in a thread about fat biking. Duh.
    Well by all means ... Seek to have the ROI crowd permanently banned from your sight LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    The whole thing just confuses me... because mtbr and the forums are based around higher quality mountain bikes, parts, and reviews... and all of a sudden you have a bunch of people giving a bike from Walmart credibility? Then people who have experience with fat biking being told they are a snob for trying to say its not gonna work well. And funniest of all, people trying to say it won't be used for fat biking... in a thread about fat biking. Duh.
    So the only way I can interpret your meaning here is that if someone can only afford a 200 buck bike and they love to ride and love to ride thier 200 dollar purchase, they are not welcome here to share, chat, exchange or gather information? is MTBR a rich elite only club?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Well by all means ... Seek to have the ROI crowd permanently banned from your sight LOL
    You should seriously crawl back into whatever thread hole you crawled out of. Ya think you post enough? 1200 posts in under a year? Know it all or just no life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpy69 View Post
    So the only way I can interpret your meaning here is that if someone can only afford a 200 buck bike and they love to ride and love to ride thier 200 dollar purchase, they are not welcome here to share, chat, exchange or gather information? is MTBR a rich elite only club?
    Did you read my last line? Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    "Tis true ... But my points are valid, and not implied/insulting drivel
    I think a lot of members would disagree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpy69 View Post
    So the only way I can interpret your meaning here is that if someone can only afford a 200 buck bike and they love to ride and love to ride thier 200 dollar purchase, they are not welcome here to share, chat, exchange or gather information? is MTBR a rich elite only club?
    I think he's saying that the people who are rabidly defending this bike against the "rich elite" have become just as annoying as the rich elite themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    You should seriously crawl back into whatever thread hole you crawled out of. Ya think you post enough? 1200 posts in under a year? Know it all or just no life?
    Awww ... Should I cry, or just realize that both of us gained another number on our post count LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post
    I think a lot of members would disagree with that.
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    This thread sucks more than the Beast itself.

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    Mongoose Beast Fatbike - Specs + Pics!

    This thing doesn't suck! Look at the specs!! DEALS!!

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    I finally picked mine up today and it's truely fat. Rotating mass is =2 semi. The bike needs lighter tires or an easier gear. No reason why this cant be a 34lbs bike with lighter tubes, tires, non-steel seat post and non-steel handlebar.

    What needs servicing is to burn the tires and tubes first.


    Don't take this as disappointment. It is what it is. I'm still happy I bought it.
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    Re: Walmart Mongoose Beast sucks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpy69 View Post
    So the only way I can interpret your meaning here is that if someone can only afford a 200 buck bike and they love to ride and love to ride thier 200 dollar purchase, they are not welcome here to share, chat, exchange or gather information? is MTBR a rich elite only club?
    If someone can only afford 200 for a bike, they should find a decent older used MTB on craigslist, or save up money until you can afford what you want (like I did) instead of blowing all of their budget on a POS from Walmart, then proceed to throw more money at it in an attempt to make it rideable.

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    So the tyres are heavy, the bb is an odd size, the coaster brakeads may well turn out to be made of cheese. Come on ladies what did you expect, Moolander like performance for 200 bucks ?
    Where this bike does score over the more expensive fat bikes is adapatability. Stock Pugs and Mukluks etc need very little if anything to get them working at peak performance, they are very capable bikes right out of the box and as such people don't tend to mess around with them too much other than buying more expensive parts, with the exception of such luminaries as MCS etc. The Beast on the other hand whilst perfectly ridable as it stands is something that people can tinker and adapt and mess around with without spending stupid amounts of money on upspeccing, you could make a bike that would arguably perform equally well as a Pug just by sourcing second hand parts and bits and pieces from craigslist ebay and bike store bargain bins, you can mess around with the frame shimming here cold setting there, something that most people would be reticent to do with any of the higher end frames.
    Yes I think spending top dollar on upgrading this bike with new or premium parts is a complete waste of money but for those without the cash or those of an inquiring and inventive frame of mind who don't want to risk destroying a more expensive piece of metal it's going to be a good thing. If I could get one where I am I woul, just so I could while away the time when I don't ride playing around in the workshop and grubbing around shops and the net for that hard to find bargain.

    For it to cause the little ***** slapping sniping kind of posts from both sides of the fence that have been popping up is quite saddening and rather pathetic and spmething that you expect more from the carbon riding, weight weenie lycra clad dick waving roadie brigade not the pioneers and beta testers of something that will could change everyday cycling as much as mountain bikes did back in the 80s

    I would suggest however that separate threads for each brand would be a good idea so that that there would be the space for multiple threads on each bike without cluttering up the forum.

    Mr Fitzpatrick, you win the internet award for the trollingest troll that ever trolled and I salute you sir, well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat-spot View Post
    So the tyres are heavy, the bb is an odd size, the coaster brakeads may well turn out to be made of cheese. Come on ladies what did you expect, Moolander like performance for 200 bucks ?
    Where this bike does score over the more expensive fat bikes is adapatability. Stock Pugs and Mukluks etc need very little if anything to get them working at peak performance, they are very capable bikes right out of the box and as such people don't tend to mess around with them too much other than buying more expensive parts, with the exception of such luminaries as MCS etc. The Beast on the other hand whilst perfectly ridable as it stands is something that people can tinker and adapt and mess around with without spending stupid amounts of money on upspeccing, you could make a bike that would arguably perform equally well as a Pug just by sourcing second hand parts and bits and pieces from craigslist ebay and bike store bargain bins, you can mess around with the frame shimming here cold setting there, something that most people would be reticent to do with any of the higher end frames.
    Yes I think spending top dollar on upgrading this bike with new or premium parts is a complete waste of money but for those without the cash or those of an inquiring and inventive frame of mind who don't want to risk destroying a more expensive piece of metal it's going to be a good thing. If I could get one where I am I woul, just so I could while away the time when I don't ride playing around in the workshop and grubbing around shops and the net for that hard to find bargain.

    For it to cause the little ***** slapping sniping kind of posts from both sides of the fence that have been popping up is quite saddening and rather pathetic and spmething that you expect more from the carbon riding, weight weenie lycra clad dick waving roadie brigade not the pioneers and beta testers of something that will could change everyday cycling as much as mountain bikes did back in the 80s

    I would suggest however that separate threads for each brand would be a good idea so that that there would be the space for multiple threads on each bike without cluttering up the forum.

    Mr Fitzpatrick, you win the internet award for the trollingest troll that ever trolled and I salute you sir, well done.
    Yes, there are some folks who expect (or want to believe, anyway) that this bike will supply Moolander like performance for 200 bucks. None of them have actually ridden it yet, but that doesn't prevent them from loudly and continually making that claim.

    I'm with you, this bike will be a lot of fun for a lot of people, and I don't discourage anybody from buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat-spot View Post
    ...For it to cause the little ***** slapping sniping kind of posts from both sides of the fence that have been popping up is quite saddening and rather pathetic and spmething that you expect more from the carbon riding, weight weenie lycra clad dick waving roadie brigade not the pioneers and beta testers of something that will could change everyday cycling as much as mountain bikes did back in the 80s ...
    Well said sir.

    It's a bike I'd buy, and I have more than my share of blingtastics.

    I see it as a good platform for experimenting on - the fact that much of it would be thrown away is no problem because it's dirt cheap, and at its price I have no expectations to be dashed if it doesn't work out.

    If it brings more people into fatbiking then so much the better.

    Shame I can't get one delivered to the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Well said sir.

    It's a bike I'd buy, and I have more than my share of blingtastics.

    I see it as a good platform for experimenting on - the fact that much of it would be thrown away is no problem because it's dirt cheap, and at its price I have no expectations to be dashed if it doesn't work out.

    If it brings more people into fatbiking then so much the better.

    Shame I can't get one delivered to the UK.
    I could take delivery, and forward it along to you... but I'd guess you'd be looking at an extra $100-$150 just for shipping.

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    So, has anyone given any thought to who else is in the same corporate quiver as Mongoose?

    Can anyone say, trial ballon?

    I knew you could.....

    As for Fatty McWalgoose, good on 'em. If it gets all the whiners about pricey fat bikes to shut up, buy one, ride it for a week, realize there is truth to the adage, You get what you pay for, but realize how fun it is, (at least going down hill) then it's a win for the fatbike industry as a whole, cause now we got you suckers, hook, line, and sinker.
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    This has exposed the ugly side of our little scene. Never have I seen such bs over a $200 bike. It's a pos fat bike and it stinks. I said it in my thread about it on my board. I chose to talk about it over there because my members are delighted to have a fat bike they can actually buy. We ride junk in most peoples eyes and we drink smoke and have fun doing it. Now we can do it on out Walmart fat bikes.

    If some one cobbled up a suspension fork or homemade fat bike out of an old one you all would be applauding him for taking the brave step. Now Walmart produces a cheap one for the masses and it is met with elite snobbery.

    Who here was on a purple pugs with only endos raise your hands? +1 it's all we had and we liked it.

    this bike is all some of my friends can have and I will help them like it so we can all ride them and have fun. Now where are them apes and banana seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    If someone can only afford 200 for a bike, they should find a decent older used MTB on craigslist, or save up money until you can afford what you want (like I did) instead of blowing all of their budget on a POS from Walmart, then proceed to throw more money at it in an attempt to make it rideable.

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    in my case, your major flaw is to think I (and perhaps others) can't afford a more expensive bike

    Before people started marketing their snow bike efforts ... People threw money at cheap bikes to make rideable bikes, rideable in the snow ... And they had fun doing so.

    Think about it !!

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    And the Fuji & Raleigh are red, just like the GooseLander that will be delivered next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat-spot View Post
    So the tyres are heavy, the bb is an odd size, the coaster brakeads may well turn out to be made of cheese. Come on ladies what did you expect, Moolander like performance for 200 bucks ?
    Where this bike does score over the more expensive fat bikes is adapatability. Stock Pugs and Mukluks etc need very little if anything to get them working at peak performance, they are very capable bikes right out of the box and as such people don't tend to mess around with them too much other than buying more expensive parts, with the exception of such luminaries as MCS etc. The Beast on the other hand whilst perfectly ridable as it stands is something that people can tinker and adapt and mess around with without spending stupid amounts of money on upspeccing, you could make a bike that would arguably perform equally well as a Pug just by sourcing second hand parts and bits and pieces from craigslist ebay and bike store bargain bins, you can mess around with the frame shimming here cold setting there, something that most people would be reticent to do with any of the higher end frames.
    Yes I think spending top dollar on upgrading this bike with new or premium parts is a complete waste of money but for those without the cash or those of an inquiring and inventive frame of mind who don't want to risk destroying a more expensive piece of metal it's going to be a good thing. If I could get one where I am I woul, just so I could while away the time when I don't ride playing around in the workshop and grubbing around shops and the net for that hard to find bargain.

    For it to cause the little ***** slapping sniping kind of posts from both sides of the fence that have been popping up is quite saddening and rather pathetic and spmething that you expect more from the carbon riding, weight weenie lycra clad dick waving roadie brigade not the pioneers and beta testers of something that will could change everyday cycling as much as mountain bikes did back in the 80s

    I would suggest however that separate threads for each brand would be a good idea so that that there would be the space for multiple threads on each bike without cluttering up the forum.

    Mr Fitzpatrick, you win the internet award for the trollingest troll that ever trolled and I salute you sir, well done.
    So I have a carbon bike and a fat bike... Am I a dick waving roadie or can I play with the fat bike crowd. They're both singlespeeds so maybe I should stick with those guys... Or can I just be a biker and not b**** at anyone for what they ride.

    You do realize you added a snipe to a different group in the same paragraph that you were trying to argue against sniping...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    So, has anyone given any thought to who else is in the same corporate quiver as Mongoose?

    Can anyone say, trial ballon?

    I knew you could.....

    As for Fatty McWalgoose, good on 'em. If it gets all the whiners about pricey fat bikes to shut up, buy one, ride it for a week, realize there is truth to the adage, You get what you pay for, but realize how fun it is, (at least going down hill) then it's a win for the fatbike industry as a whole, cause now we got you suckers, hook, line, and sinker.
    Trial balloon ... Glad you get it !

    I'm not sure when they came out, but the green ones sold out in what seems to be less than a week.

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    Its a $200 bike for god sake, prob a great bike for people with no budget at all, and a crap bike for people that can spend 2.5k on a bike.
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    Quick thought, lets say that you came across a guy on a $200 huffy or $200 Walfart, and he was broke down on the trail ( brakes, chain, taco wheel ). Would you be willing to lend him/her your time or spare parts ( knowing that you possibly spent more money on your bag, tools and supplies in the bag, and air pump, than this person spent on their whole bike.)?

    Now you come across a guy who has a x7/slx level or higher bike, and they had issues. You know they at least spent enough on parts that matter. They didn't break down because of cheap junk components.

    Be honest, would you spend the same amount of time to help both, and who would you be more likely to lend parts to.

    Personally, I usually have time constraints on the amount of time I have to ride. I am not rich, and not a dick swinging carbon riding roadie, but I am a big guy who knows that quality parts cost $$.

    My choice, I let the Huffy walk. But will give the other guy a bit more of my time.

    Same story applied when I worked at car audio shops. Some guys would come in, *****ing about their crappy best buy stereo, wondering why it didn't work, or why it wasn't as loud as they guy with a quality setup. We start looking into the hack job someone did putting the system together, and how the owner was pushing the equipment way past its capabilities. We would help, but knew their cheap a$$ didn't want to spend much getting it fixed, much less gutted and totally re-done.

    But a guy/girl comes in with some good quality equipment, installed correctly....even though it might not have been done at our shop, we knew he spend his hard earned money on stuff that was quality. We were much more willing to spend time on his/her system because we knew they cared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7daysaweek View Post
    So I have a carbon bike and a fat bike... Am I a dick waving roadie or can I play with the fat bike crowd. They're both singlespeeds so maybe I should stick with those guys... Or can I just be a biker and not b**** at anyone for what they ride.

    You do realize you added a snipe to a different group in the same paragraph that you were trying to argue against sniping...

    Easy tiger, didn't you notice the winky thing at the end of the line ? I wasn't having a snipe at anybody it was said in jest and with no malice aforethough and if you had shared the tarmac with french and italian roadies as much as I have you may have seen the humour in it. Please don't take it so seriously, there is far and away enough of that on the site as it is and of course you can play with anyone you wish, as long as you play nicely and bring cakes and pop.
    I don't think we're so far up our own asses that we can't make fun of ourselves too, being the beard growing, trapper hat wearing hipsters at the cutting edge of the breaking wave of the next big thing in velocipedes that we are

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    Well for the people who this is all they can afford my forum has threads with happy owners enjoying theirs. And I'm retreating back there to the land of non snobbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    in my case, your major flaw is to think I (and perhaps others) can't afford a more expensive bike

    Before people started marketing their snow bike efforts ... People threw money at cheap bikes to make rideable bikes, rideable in the snow ... And they had fun doing so.

    Think about it !!

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    And the Fuji & Raleigh are red, just like the GooseLander that will be delivered next week.
    No, serious fatbike enthusiasts were not for riding Wal-Gooses. Many of them were riding much more expensive custom bikes. They were not about to ride hundreds of miles out into the frozen wilderness on a Wal-Goose. Even if they were, its a moot point now because we actually have quality, fully functional complete fatbikes for sale now. I see used Pugsleys on craigslist for ~$1,000 all the time. That's not much more than where you'll be by the time you're done trying to polish that turd.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    This has exposed the ugly side of our little scene. Never have I seen such bs over a $200 bike. It's a pos fat bike and it stinks. I said it in my thread about it on my board. I chose to talk about it over there because my members are delighted to have a fat bike they can actually buy. We ride junk in most peoples eyes and we drink smoke and have fun doing it. Now we can do it on out Walmart fat bikes.

    If some one cobbled up a suspension fork or homemade fat bike out of an old one you all would be applauding him for taking the brave step. Now Walmart produces a cheap one for the masses and it is met with elite snobbery.

    Who here was on a purple pugs with only endos raise your hands? +1 it's all we had and we liked it.

    this bike is all some of my friends can have and I will help them like it so we can all ride them and have fun. Now where are them apes and banana seat.
    This is a mountain bike forum, not a ride around the block forum. Oh, and I make ~$25,000 a year, so keep telling me how much of a snobby, rich, elitist I am. It feels good.

    That's why when I buy bikes, I save up and get something that is a good value so I can ride it for decades to come. I can't afford to blow 200 bucks on a POS that needs hundreds more in upgrades to be rideable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    They were not about to ride hundreds of miles out into the frozen wilderness on a Wal-Goose.
    Herein is perhaps the best stated reason behind some on the negative remarks? Many were not able to put their 'gut' understanding into proper words, to them, the reasons against it are so self-evident in their minds that they...forgot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    No, serious fatbike enthusiasts were not for riding Wal-Gooses. Many of them were riding much more expensive custom bikes. They were not about to ride hundreds of miles out into the frozen wilderness on a Wal-Goose. Even if they were, its a moot point now because we actually have quality, fully functional complete fatbikes for sale now. I see used Pugsleys on craigslist for ~$1,000 all the time. That's not much more than where you'll be by the time you're done trying to polish that turd.



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    Right ... So they were buying the most expensive thing they could afford, chopping in in half width wise, and making it wider.

    Get real, at the experimental stage not everyone was going all out, and building custom frames, until they figured a few things out.

    And fewer still were simulating designs on a computer.

    But that's OK !!
    If you want to insult people who can throw away $200 and possibly destroy additional bike parts in the name of fun ... Go for it

    I'll still have money available for the next experiment, also.

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    I haven't heard this mentioned in reference to the Beast, but it is a concern for me. What will this do for beach riding and access. Cape Cod is a very popular summer destination for fatbikers. Riding on the national seashore is amazing and currently a gray area, there are no regulations regarding bikes because there didn't have to be. If/when the masses start riding all over the beach there will be some kind of blowback. This is probably inevitable anyway, but as long as fatbikes were a niche thing, there weren't enough to cause trouble. I suppose this is similar to the access issues that have been seen on XC ski trails, except that with this situation it would be very powerful environmental groups out to shut us down (Audubon, for one, god forbid someone runs over a piping plover nest, it would kick up a shitstorm).

    I don't want to sound elitist, like I'm keeping the trails to myself, but lets face it, there will most likely be some rules concerning fatbikes in the future, at least at popular beaches. We are able to ride places that previously weren't possible, its a neat novelty the first time someone sees a fatbike, but when you've got yahoo's ripping up dunes and riding all over the place its not gonna be so funny anymore. I don't mean to say that the people riding the beast will be any less considerate than people on expensive bikes, I guess I just don't have a lot of faith in the intelligence of the masses.
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    I just don't have a lot of faith in the intelligence of the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Quick thought, lets say that you came across a guy on a $200 huffy or $200 Walfart, and he was broke down on the trail ( brakes, chain, taco wheel ). Would you be willing to lend him/her your time or spare parts ( knowing that you possibly spent more money on your bag, tools and supplies in the bag, and air pump, than this person spent on their whole bike.)?

    Now you come across a guy who has a x7/slx level or higher bike, and they had issues. You know they at least spent enough on parts that matter. They didn't break down because of cheap junk components.

    Be honest, would you spend the same amount of time to help both, and who would you be more likely to lend parts to.

    Personally, I usually have time constraints on the amount of time I have to ride. I am not rich, and not a dick swinging carbon riding roadie, but I am a big guy who knows that quality parts cost $$.

    My choice, I let the Huffy walk. But will give the other guy a bit more of my time.

    Same story applied when I worked at car audio shops. Some guys would come in, *****ing about their crappy best buy stereo, wondering why it didn't work, or why it wasn't as loud as they guy with a quality setup. We start looking into the hack job someone did putting the system together, and how the owner was pushing the equipment way past its capabilities. We would help, but knew their cheap a$$ didn't want to spend much getting it fixed, much less gutted and totally re-done.

    But a guy/girl comes in with some good quality equipment, installed correctly....even though it might not have been done at our shop, we knew he spend his hard earned money on stuff that was quality. We were much more willing to spend time on his/her system because we knew they cared.
    Sorry but you are wrong I would still help both equally. How do you know that is all the guy can afford?
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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    What will this do for beach riding and access.

    ...god forbid someone runs over a piping plover nest, it would kick up a shitstorm.
    Hey Jay, I'm down in RI and ride the beaches frequently. Once some lighter, geared inexpensive fat bikes come out is when the issue will explode. I am aware of the delicate nature of the dunes and very conscientious not to ride off the beach or trail, but lord knows staying out of the dunes is like ignoring the call of the Siren. It just look like it would be so much fun to plow through and I doubt everyone will be able to resist. Hopefully they will just come up with rules and fines like 4x4 access, not outright banning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    ...lets say that you came across a guy on a $200 huffy or $200 Walfart, and he was broke down on the trail ( brakes, chain, taco wheel ). Would you be willing to lend him/her your time or spare parts ( knowing that you possibly spent more money on your bag, tools and supplies in the bag, and air pump, than this person spent on their whole bike.)?...
    Yes.

    Have done so frequently. Fixed bikes, lent tools, tubes, and in one desperate case my bike, and always got them back.

    If they're keen enough to be out there, I'll help anyone, even obnoxious blingtastic riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    If someone can only afford 200 for a bike, they should find a decent older used MTB on craigslist, or save up money until you can afford what you want (like I did) instead of blowing all of their budget on a POS from Walmart, then proceed to throw more money at it in an attempt to make it rideable.

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    Yeah, so you're saying if you want a fatbike under $200, you should get a $200 Fatbike off craigslist. Yeah, got it. I'll browse through the hundres of Pugs clogging up those craigslist posts for under $200 and pick the best one.

    I dunno... the one big turn off (besides coming from WalMart, MallWart, whatever) is it looks like the seat and head tube angles are super slack.

    I would be willing to give it a whirl. I have a crapload of parts in the bin. I'm sure I can tune it up and make it passable with minimal investment, as long as the geometry agreed with me.

    The oddball fatbike parts are pretty much the frame, fork, wheels and tires... maybe the crankset. With some effort, replace some glaring awful parts with decent ones....

    Oh, wait... nevermind. I just saw it has no disc tabs, or even canti brake tabs. Coaster brake, and that's it.... deal killer....

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    pretty ironic the guy your are speaking to (bighit) is the creator of this sub forum. now you know
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    and for "real Mountain biking" it makes sense. for the masses who want to cruise around on big wheels it make sense. or people like me who dont want to take their moonlander everywhere and lock it to a pole. realize people do more than explore the back country on their bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Right ... So they were buying the most expensive thing they could afford, chopping in in half width wise, and making it wider.

    Get real, at the experimental stage not everyone was going all out, and building custom frames, until they figured a few things out.

    And fewer still were simulating designs on a computer.

    But that's OK !!
    If you want to insult people who can throw away $200 and possibly destroy additional bike parts in the name of fun ... Go for it

    I'll still have money available for the next experiment, also.
    Actually, just about all of the early fat bike efforts that went beyond 2.35s and Simon Rakower's SnowCat rims involved a custom frame. I've seen very few early fatbikes that were adapted from a standard MTB. Evingston, DeSalvo, Icycle, Mark Groenwald at Wildfire, Clark-Kent, Ray "El Remolino" Molina, and others all made custom frames to accept wide wheels- either several rims laced side by side, or Molina's 80mm Mexican rims and 3.5" Tornel sand tires.

    You might want to read up on fat bike history before posting incorrect information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Right ... So they were buying the most expensive thing they could afford, chopping in in half width wise, and making it wider.

    Get real, at the experimental stage not everyone was going all out, and building custom frames, until they figured a few things out.

    And fewer still were simulating designs on a computer.

    But that's OK !!
    If you want to insult people who can throw away $200 and possibly destroy additional bike parts in the name of fun ... Go for it

    I'll still have money available for the next experiment, also.
    Go read the fatbike history thread. You're just plain wrong, and talking out of your ass.

    Now, if you just want something cheap to tinker with, that's a different story. I get that. But that wasn't what you were saying earlier. You were calling fatbikers rich elitists who couldn't bear the thought of people joining our "exclusive club" with a cheap bike.

    Saying this is a good option for folks who want a real fatbike, but can't afford one at the moment, I'll have to disagree. It weighs 50 pounds as a single speed, with steep gearing to boot. You're going nowhere but around the block with that setup. The money it would cost to make it trail worthy; well how much money are you willing to spend on a bike with a "one size fits all" frame? Much, much smarter to save money for a few months and pick up a used Pugs on the cheap during summer time. Much better investment, too.



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    Thanks for pointing out what can be easily read, guys
    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy View Post
    Both of those men have been playing with fat-tire bike designs for years. But Gronewald says the origins of the FatBike go back even further.

    He traces the lineage to Texan Ray "El Remolino" Molino, who experimented with wide-tire bikes for riding on sand in the 1980s. Remolino modified bikes to accept super, extra-wide rims that could support monster tires.
    Please point out something earlier, if you can ... Otherwise I'll keep believeing what I remember reading, before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Thanks for pointing out what can be easily read, guys


    Please point out something earlier, if you can ... Otherwise I'll keep believeing what I remember reading, before.
    The sticky is not the most accurate history, but due to the nature of the forum it can't be edited.

    You are making up "facts" to suit your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Thanks for pointing out what can be easily read, guys


    Please point out something earlier, if you can ... Otherwise I'll keep believeing what I remember reading, before.
    FWIW,

    Ray Molina built his own frames from scratch. That was a misquote in the article. Same thing with Icicle and the 6 pack: built from scratch. Same thing with Wildfire and Evingson. Hanebrink: scratch. Burro: scratch. Hate to let the facts get in the way of a good fable but that's the way it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildfire View Post
    FWIW,

    Ray Molina built his own frames from scratch. That was a misquote in the article. Same thing with Icicle and the 6 pack: built from scratch. Same thing with Wildfire and Evingson. Hanebrink: scratch. Burro: scratch. Hate to let the facts get in the way of a good fable but that's the way it was.

    Mark Gronewald
    thanks for the correction.

    It's a shame that this error/omission has been allowed to exist for 4 years.

    Those, like myself, can only go with what we read about the history, as shared by others.

    Perhaps a MOD could be given proper information, and asked to make a few corrections ... Just a thought.

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    oh what the bloody hell??
    has none of you whiners ever bought a goofy vintage frame and said "fuggit, just for kicks..." and then made your own mark on the damn thing?
    I grabbed a 60$ dented mountain cycle rumble because it was 60$.
    now it's a singlespeed and rocking gazzis and the complete bike owes me less than 150$.

    the parts you have at home don't count toward "expense", they've been amortized during the last build (or the last 6 builds in my case).
    so complaining that you could realistically get a pugs for the same price is absurd.

    it's a complete bike for 200$.
    there was a pair of nates on sale in my province for 300$...
    point made, end of discussion.
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    @bikeabuser: Well, of course it's my fault and not yours. Please... allow me to devote my remaining years to crusade against everything ever misrepresented in history so that others may be duly protected from inserting their feet in their mouths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildfire View Post
    @bikeabuser: Well, of course it's my fault and not yours. Please... allow me to devote my remaining years to crusade against everything ever misrepresented in history so that others may be duly protected from inserting their feet in their mouths.
    No need to get upset over this ... The history thread has an error ... Therefore it's not my fault to read it, and it's not really your's to correct, unless you feel it needs to be corrected.

    If you have a problem with me reading the words, and taking them for what they are, that's not my problem.

    Take the issue up with the member who stated I was making things up ... They referred me to a thread I had already read, and that you said contains errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    No need to get upset over this ... The history thread has an error ... Therefore it's not my fault to read it, and it's not really your's to correct, unless you feel it needs to be corrected.

    If you have a problem with me reading the words, and taking them for what they are, that's not my problem.

    Take the issue up with the member who stated I was making things up ... They referred me to a thread I had already read, and that you said contains errors.
    I smell what you're steppin' in. Not upset, I was smiling the whole time. Although, to be fair, it does seem like you took that one little misquote about Ray Molina and extrapolated that to the rest of us early birds who I think were represented fairly accurately in the sticky. But that's whatever...carry on with your FatBike Shaped Object discussion, I'm so proud to have a new redheaded stepson. Cigars, anyone?
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    Bikeabuser... I look forward to all the awesome videos of you thrashing through the 6" fresh snow showing all of us who have actually been there to be wrong. Good job champ. 200 bucks... your a fat biker. Welcome to our elite club of ****** bags who saved up money even though we are filthy rich to ride a quality bike that would perform the way we want it to.

    Edit... I can't say d o u c h e

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    Well I'm truly amazed at the level of whining and *****ing on this from BOTH sides, the amount of elitism and snobbery is overwhelming and whatever anyone says fatbiking is an elitist sport, some of the comments I've read have proved that, now it is changing and some people are embracing the change and becoming champions of the oppressed and some people are acting like they are kids with their candy taken away. It's just a BIKE children and there are far more things in the world to get pissed at. For gods sake grow up, go out, get something more worthwhile in your lives.

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    I really don't understand all the fuss about this.

    It's a $200 bike. It's going to be value for money - you'll get just what you paid for, not a cent more - and if you are an experienced cyclist, you will know that there's going to be loads of shortcuts on it.

    The great thing is if you are reasonably competent or creative, almost all that can be fixed cheaply, or from surplus bits most fatbikers have lying around.

    No one is claiming you can do the Iditarod on it.

    It's not going to fool the general public - they already know you don't buy a $200 chain store special to go downhill racing - they'll buy it as a toy, ride it around for barely 100 miles, and then it'll be left to rust in the pile of chainstore bikes at the back of their garden.

    And hopefully we'll end up with more people enthusiastic about fatbikes.

    Meanwhile the fatbikers will eventually end up with a grandfathers axe version of it...
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    Cool! The fatbike forum is finally turning into the whinefest the 29er board became a few years ago. Give us another year and we'll be as mundane and boring as that one. Plenty of puerile discussions about the merits and detriments of running a 2.1 instead of a 2.2 on your chinese carbon FS frame...

    As for the $200 bike? Someone's gotta put a Lefty on that thing!

    The Mongoose fills the same niche (just cheaper still) as the Tommisea fatties, great for beach, street, and path cruising, kinda useless for anything more "rugged". That's fine, all good. But referring to those who find it a valid enough format to bother investing in, as rich snobs? Give me a break. Sounds like thinly veiled angst at not having the dough to buy one.

    Much like a cool new car you can't afford, (Me? I'd love a Nissan 350Z, no way am I affording one) sometimes you need to wait till they become affordable on the used market if you really want that particular car.

    Buying a Neon, lowering it, putting a hood scoop, fancy vinyl decals and a shopping cart handle on the tail, doesn't make it a 350Z, it just makes me look impatient......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Cool! The fatbike forum is finally turning into the whinefest the 29er board became a few years ago. Give us another year and we'll be as mundane and boring as that one. Plenty of puerile discussions about the merits and detriments of running a 2.1 instead of a 2.2 on your chinese carbon FS frame...

    As for the $200 bike? Someone's gotta put a Lefty on that thing!

    The Mongoose fills the same niche (just cheaper still) as the Tommisea fatties, great for beach, street, and path cruising, kinda useless for anything more "rugged". That's fine, all good. But referring to those who find it a valid enough format to bother investing in, as rich snobs? Give me a break. Sounds like thinly veiled angst at not having the dough to buy one.

    Much like a cool new car you can't afford, (Me? I'd love a Nissan 350Z, no way am I affording one) sometimes you need to wait till they become affordable on the used market if you really want that particular car.

    Buying a Neon, lowering it, putting a hood scoop, fancy vinyl decals and a shopping cart handle on the tail, doesn't make it a 350Z, it just makes me look impatient......
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Edit... I can't say d o u c h e
    I looked up the mtbr fatbike definition for that word, this is what a found:

    A member, having had no previous experience or input with regards to the fabiking experience, who participates in actively harassing fatbike owners about their beloved investments, attempting to belittle their equipment and in some way convince the world that said person will enjoy fatbiking just as much as the chump riding a $2,500 9:ZERO:7, even though said person has yet to ever ride a fatbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    +2. There are those who are going to get one and convince themselves its OK just because they dont want to admit the massive limitations of the bike.

    The whole thing just confuses me... because mtbr and the forums are based around higher quality mountain bikes, parts, and reviews... and all of a sudden you have a bunch of people giving a bike from Walmart credibility? Then people who have experience with fat biking being told they are a snob for trying to say its not gonna work well. And funniest of all, people trying to say it won't be used for fat biking... in a thread about fat biking. Duh.
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    You should seriously crawl back into whatever thread hole you crawled out of. Ya think you post enough? 1200 posts in under a year? Know it all or just no life?
    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Bikeabuser... I look forward to all the awesome videos of you thrashing through the 6" fresh snow showing all of us who have actually been there to be wrong. Good job champ. 200 bucks... your a fat biker. Welcome to our elite club of ****** bags who saved up money even though we are filthy rich to ride a quality bike that would perform the way we want it to.

    Edit... I can't say d o u c h e
    I'm beginning to see a pattern here ... Why are you concerned with how someone else spends their money ?

    Oh, and snow ... Send that stuff to the Phoenix area

    SAD, really SAD, that a $200 bike, can so easily show the true colors of a few people.

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    This thing is just the gateway to the true sickness.

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    I see the green one is already out of stock.
    Maybe they only made a limited amount of these anyway.
    Might be that everyone is getting all fired up over nothing.
    (I better get mine soon before they're all gone.)LOL
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    Hell, I have a really nice fatbike and I just might pick one up for vacations. The sand and saltwater at the beach really tore up my nice bike last year. I spent over two hundred getting it back in shape. This might be the bike I'm looking for, run it in the waves and not think twice about it. Thanks
    for posting this thread, I had no idea they sold them at Wally World.

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    Sadly, I'll never purchase a Walgoodie because it would be fun to pare it down with a Carver ti or carbon fork, new tires and tubes ($600-$800), drilling the rims, along with the headset, stem, bars, seat, seatpost and pedals already in the garage to try to get the weight in the low 30's. Who cares whether it's economically feasible; not every purchase needs to make sense (TO ME). Unfortunately, I'd still have a bike that never gets ridden in socal. Flame away.

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    I think I might just get a wide rim and the fattest tire I can fit in my Nashbar rigid fork,and call it a day.
    I doubt if I'm gonna really enjoy the Beast...too must compromise involved.
    Down the road I'm pretty sure fatbike prices will come down...better to wait for something really good.

    Glad I came back to my senses.
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    Trust me, if I would get one it would get a makeover ASAP!!! I got parts just laying around looking for a bike to be put on. For me this would work just fine for the week I go to the beach.

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    This FBSO is certainly no game changer but the exposure it brings to Fat Bikes has got to be a win. Keeping in mind that some of the people who purchase these will be driven to this site through internet searches should we not keep these WalMoose threads in as a positive vein a possible? Not trying to stir the pot, just pointing out the reputation that this sub forum has for civility and can do attitude.

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    I've never seen anyone say something can't be done, here.
    Waste of money ... Sure, but never like this.

    And on your thought, AZ ... I'd never point someone to this bike.
    I might point out what could be done to most any bike, but ... If they have to ask if this is a good deal, it's time to tell them to save up some money.

    It's not the bike for a biking novice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    This FBSO is certainly no game changer but the exposure it brings to Fat Bikes has got to be a win. Keeping in mind that some of the people who purchase these will be driven to this site through internet searches should we not keep these WalMoose threads in as a positive vein a possible? Not trying to stir the pot, just pointing out the reputation that this sub forum has for civility and can do attitude.

    And that is where some are missing the point and thank you sanch for pointing it out

    The biggest ***** on here is about the price of things like tires etc for fat bikes...get enough people interested and the bigger names will come in...parts and aftermarket accessories will become cheaper so it's a win win

    if I only had $200 and wanted a fatty but know I could not afford top of the range for a year and a half or probably longer when taxes and property taxes came around and took chunks out of my moots fatty fund..then if i had only $200..I would think walgoose is a bargain

    I just wonder how much of this isn't about how much you spend but those who thought they were at the cutting edsge realizing even walmart is now more famous fatty wise than they are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twklei View Post
    Hell, I have a really nice fatbike and I just might pick one up for vacations. The sand and saltwater at the beach really tore up my nice bike last year. I spent over two hundred getting it back in shape. This might be the bike I'm looking for, run it in the waves and not think twice about it. Thanks
    for posting this thread, I had no idea they sold them at Wally World.
    mmm hmm, hose it down with wd40 and call it a day.

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    I'm back in.
    Man...anybody who thinks bikes aren't addictive better take a second look.
    What can I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
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    Hahaha! And I also follow you on Tumblr. Well before I had this thread. Just took the beast to Kualoa Ranch on Oahu, in Hawaii.. Had so much ****ing fun on this heavy piece I can't stop smiling. If that's what they accomplished with the Beast then so be it. I'll gladly put it together myself and ride the hell out of it for $200. Pictures and awesome video to come. Thanks for swinging by mate! My Moony is almost done.. going to be so sick!

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    Started riding in the 60's...he an authority on all things bike

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    The Beast

    The Fat Beast is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Here's my Beast trying hard to be a legit fat bike. Now, to the next project...

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    Stumbled on to fat bikes last week and HAD TO HAVE ONE!! But damn do they cost money! Researched the $hit outta them and came across the beast... Now there's one in the back if my van at all times... I don't care what anybody says this thing is fun as hell! After a few cheap upgrades she rides great in the trails!!! 10% of the cost gets you far more than 10% of the fun of fat biking! Nuff said! Although that moonlander is sexy as hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreeee23 View Post
    Stumbled on to fat bikes last week and HAD TO HAVE ONE!! But damn do they cost money! Researched the $hit outta them and came across the beast... Now there's one in the back if my van at all times... I don't care what anybody says this thing is fun as hell! After a few cheap upgrades she rides great in the trails!!! 10% of the cost gets you far more than 10% of the fun of fat biking! Nuff said! Although that moonlander is sexy as hell
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    I don't? I said the beast is fun, cuz I ride one everyday. Maybe yer right, I've probably been miserable and mistaken it for fun... After all There's no possible way u can have fun if u don't spend at least $1500 on a bike huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreeee23 View Post
    I don't? I said the beast is fun, cuz I ride one everyday. Maybe yer right, I've probably been miserable and mistaken it for fun... After all There's no possible way u can have fun if u don't spend at least $1500 on a bike huh?
    You can get a somewhat legitimate one with those fancy gears for actually getting through soft terrain like they were meant for, on bikes direct for around $800. You also get those fancy lever brakes front and rear. And fancy tires that conform to the terrain at low pressure
    ...Be careful what you're looking at because it might be looking back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    I'm enjoying of all the discussion about this bike. And I've contributed to it. But we've heard very little from people who have ridden the thing.

    Well I have, and it sucks. There, I said it.

    The thing is way too heavy. The 32/18 gearing is way too difficult. Folks, you are not going to want to ride this bike along the beach at night. If you use it to get beer, that beer is going to be well earned.

    I'm not saying it doesn't have potential. I'm going to get my Black Floyds out of the basement and see how much lighter it makes the bike feel.

    I'm 6' 2", so the bike is a little too small for me. I'm going to put a longer seat post in it and change the front end some how so I'm stretched out a little more.

    But until I change things up, my stock Beast sucks!

    And yours will, too.
    SAD !!! to hear that. But i do understand if your 6' 2"....im only 5'11" ...i Lv my FATGOOSE....i changed out my rear back sprocket to a 22 teeth wich is a higher gear that makes it a whole lot more E Z to pedal...it came with a 18 teeth....NOT FUN AT ALL with that gear....CHECK OUT MY YouTube VIDEOS.....just type in MONGOOSE BEAST FAT BIKE BMX MTB & CLICK ON MY NAME TO SEE ALL THE REST.....MY BEAST IS GREEN WITH ALOT OF DECALS....Latr Gatr !!! ...BEAST OUT !!!

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    I Lv My BEAST !!!

    I Lv My BEASTs !!!
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    I would like to state some facts about Walmart bikes seeing that about 100 go through the repair shop every year.

    -they are Chinese toys, not quality bicycles
    -the components, materials, designs are outdated and junk.
    -they cost more money then buying a quality bike and let me explain this. A Wally World bike has a fraction of the life of quality bike so one must consider how many bikes they must purchase to get equal life of a shop bike. They break often and usually the first few trips to the bike shop cost more then the bike itself. Part compatibility is terrible, for example the pictures above show a 1" threaded headset with 7/8 bar clamp which is out dated to the 90's.

    The best advise I can give is waiting and saving longer then buy a used or new shop quality bike.

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    The thing that irks me, more than the weight, more than the quality in relation to "better" bikes, is the freaking geometry.

    Edit: That being said, if you like it, ride it!
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    I recently got one and I will say in the stock configuration they do suck, the bars are way too low, the gearing is okay for street riding but horrible for off road or trail, and it is a brick. Now for $200 it is a bargain just for wheels and tires. I have swapped out the seat, bars, and cranks as well as going from a 36 tooth front gear down to a 32. there are plenty of ways to lighten it up such as drilling rims, swapping tires and tubes, cranks, and other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outskirtscustoms View Post
    I have swapped out the seat, bars, and cranks as well as going from a 36 tooth front gear down to a 32. there are plenty of ways to lighten it up such as drilling rims, swapping tires and tubes, cranks, and other things.
    Just think of the logic here. You spend $200 on the bike and now want to swap parts to make it lighter let's add things up. I'll give low estimates Bars $35, seat $35, tires $200, cranks $200, tubes $20, not to mention the components you need to work with the crank properly, you have invested $690 (this is very generous). After all this the bike will still be a tank with the frame and rest of the parts. Then after your high tensile fork bends like a yoga instructor at the trail and you can't find a replacement with the same geometry you have now wasted $700 + dollars. Buy used or save your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar3.14 View Post
    Just think of the logic here. You spend $200 on the bike and now want to swap parts to make it lighter let's add things up. I'll give low estimates Bars $35, seat $35, tires $200, cranks $200, tubes $20, not to mention the components you need to work with the crank properly, you have invested $690 (this is very generous). After all this the bike will still be a tank with the frame and rest of the parts. Then after your high tensile fork bends like a yoga instructor at the trail and you can't find a replacement with the same geometry you have now wasted $700 + dollars. Buy used or save your money.
    Actually I work on bikes as a hobby so I had the cranks, seat and bars just laying around from junk bikes I parted out, Origin8 Devist8or tires run $40 each, tubes are $17 each or go tubeless if you want to save more weight, The crank removal tool was $5 on Ebay and I use it on other bikes, A wide freewheel hub with disk brake mount runs $30, maybe another $50 for caliper, cable, brake handle, and a rotor, $20 for a freewheel, I caught the bike on sale for $186 after taxes and all so that puts it at $400 bucks.

    Bottom line it will NEVER compare to a Surley Pugsley or Moonlander but it won't cost you $1500 either. The mongoose Beast isn't going to be a hardcore off road jump off a 50 foot cliff and be fine type of bike but it will hold up to anything the flat lands of Indiana can throw at me. To me it's cheap fun and a project to tinker with. I also have a 2007 KHS Alite 150 and honestly the Mongoose Beast takes on trails that my KHS has trouble with.

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    I get what your saying but as you said its a hobby so there usually isn't a stop to upgrades so when does the money stop? I despise bikes direct and their bikes but it would be cheaper in the long run to buy one of their cheap fat bikes. Also most people aren't capable of lacing fat wheels. It's still $400 gone when the fork bends.

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    When the fork bends I'll upgrade it with something better or build my own fork, I'm that MacGyver meets Red Green type of guy, I can fix anything if I have enough time to think and enough duct tape...lol. Besides before I fold the fork I'll probably find a deal on a used Surly frame set on Ebay and swap the frame and fork. To me it's all free money anyway, I started with $5 for a few bikes at a yard sale, sold one for $40 and the other for $50, bought a used moped not running for $50 and got it running in like 10 minutes and sold it for $225 then bought the beast so I made money and got a free bike. And it's not like I'm going to be taking hardcore trails where the fork is going to break.




    So far I've got Redline Kneesaver bars, Sugino Impel cranks with first and third rings removed, junk seat I had laying around, and I plan to do more as I make more money, just tough for me to throw $600-$800 at a single bike in one whack.

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    Walgoose. That term made me lmao. Seems to be alot of bike for the money. Fat bikes are pretty cool. Mongoose used to be a good brand when I was a kid. It seems maybe they have changed...some company using the name only kinda thing? I had a Mongoose Californian. I for once....had the coolest bike in the nieghborhood, and my arch enemy, who rolled a Roger Decoster was steaming jealous. I was king that day. King.

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    These are great bikes if you want a project. Ive got less in mine than a bikes direct fat bike and other than the weight, its exactly what I would want from a fat bike.

    also, the head tube is 1 1/8 threaded. that makes it a bit easier to find forks for.

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    I'll stop dumping money in mine when it looks like Blown240's!

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    forks bend he said.....Hmmm !!! i beat the SHIT out of mine....jump alot on concrete & alot on hard dirt...massive hill jumps & had my plenty of bad crashes...& all is intact.....BUT i will NEVER EVER COMPARE it to all those highend FAT BIKES....but i have gone everywhere they have gone....some of my buddys have the $2k to $5k FAT BIKES....hell one of them has that $9k TITANIUM 29er FAT BIKE......& LIKE I SAID ...I HAVE GONE WERE EVER THEY WENT.....SNOW / SAND / MUDD / LARGE RIVER ROCKS / DEEP WATER / FLUFFY DIRT / FLUFFY GRASS / .....I CAN AFFORD A $2 TO $3K FAT BIKE....BUT WHY ???......IF YOU BUY A COMPLETE BIKE....WHAT FUN WOULD IT BE IF YOU CANT FIX IT UP......JUST LIKE A CAR or TRUCK.....YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO CUTOMIZE IT....anyways all you out there DO YOUR THING & HAVE FUN AS HELL DOINING IT !!! ...Latr Gatrz.....BEAST OUT !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    These are great bikes if you want a project....
    I've got 3 "proper" fatbikes. I'd buy a Walgoose in a flash.

    They have been a bonus for the experimenters, or those of us who like to watch their efforts.

    A fatbike you have fun on is a good fatbike regardless of cost. Fixing broken bits is fun for many of us too, and even better fixing them before they need fixing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FATALBERT333 View Post
    forks bend he said.....Hmmm !!! i beat the SHIT out of mine....jump alot on concrete & alot on hard dirt...massive hill jumps & had my plenty of bad crashes...& all is intact
    Your fork probably bent right away and your used to the geometry now. If your jumping it guarantee the races in the hubs and headset are mushroomed as well.

    Blown240,
    You got skill and talent to build something like that. I could see using the Wally World frame to learn and experiment with because not a big loss if its screwed up, but if using that bike is the end goal it makes no sense to me. It makes no sense because even though your skill is something to admire that bike looks like the wheel base is terrible, bar to seat ratio is bad and it probably weighs a ton. Also a entry level Bikes direct fat bike is $695, unless all your parts were given to you for free I doubt that it cost less then that.

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