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    Good job! Vertigo Cycles Fatbike

    So I've been ruminating a fatbike for a while now, talked in earnest to several builders, but finally hired Sean of Vertigo Cycles to build one for me. I decided to go with him because he's an innovative, down to earth, good guy. It didn't hurt that he used to be local, knows how I ride and where I like to.

    This bike isn't built primarily for the snow. It'll be a trail, rock, and tech bomber with short chainstays and laid back head angle, among other things. I plan to clobber, squash, crush, and plain ol' destroy anything that gets in my way, including squirrels.
    ...OK, not really What I do plan to do is have as much fun and keep rolling as much as possible over as many obstacles in as many conditions as I can.

    I haven't completely decided on the parts, but I like to tinker. I'll probably start with a Salsa Enabler fork (which fits the A-C of the design), but I'm also in the queue for Lefty clamps. It'll be dressed as a singlespeed or a gearie when the mood strikes.

    It's being made. Here are some pics from his flickr site. I'll update this thread with build pics and words as they come. Hope you don't mind.

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    Nice! Good looking work there.

    Sold another Pug today. Fat love is blowin' in the wind.
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    Will be sick. Just curious, but why not have Sean build you a fork?

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    Psick! I can't wait to see it!!


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    Sean continues to impress, looking forward to seeing this one finished.
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    niiiiiiice!

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    DT/BB -


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    BB/ST fitup - Curvy seat tube


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    love the curvy seat tube
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    Taking shape:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Taking shape:

    What? Only one top tube?
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    Beautiful;

    Might you be able to share the tubing specs? I'm in contemplation mode.

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    Latest pic from a few days ago. These are the seat stays:

    "Keep your burgers lean and your tires fat." -h.d. | ssoft | flickr

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    Seatstays:



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    sweet as....its going to be cool to see this bike, and also cool to see you putting it through its paces :-)~

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    How did I just see this now? I love Vertigo bikes, mostly because of DrjOn's bikes and following his flickr stream. This is interesting to me as I love the idea of the not for snow fat bike. So looking forward to updates and such.
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    Is Speedway the only ones making decent fat rims in SILVER? I need one offset drilled rim so that I can build a Lefty fat wheel. Already called Speedway and they don't have any offset drilled silver rims in stock.

    The other option is to find a rim that already has the offset row of spoke holes and repaint it. So, has anyone stripped or repainted the Large Marge Lite? If so, how'd it turn out?

    A few people have suggested that I could drill new spoke holes in a silver Speedway rim, and I'm considering it if I can't source what I'm looking for. Just seems a little scary to do to a brand new $150+ part

    Please lemme know if you have any other ideas or leads. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Is Speedway the only ones making decent fat rims in SILVER? I need one offset drilled rim so that I can build a Lefty fat wheel. Already called Speedway and they don't have any offset drilled silver rims in stock.

    The other option is to find a rim that already has the offset row of spoke holes and repaint it. So, has anyone stripped or repainted the Large Marge Lite? If so, how'd it turn out?

    A few people have suggested that I could drill new spoke holes in a silver Speedway rim, and I'm considering it if I can't source what I'm looking for. Just seems a little scary to do to a brand new $150+ part

    Please lemme know if you have any other ideas or leads. Thanks!
    According to Speedways neww site they list their rims as available in offset. I dont think it's correct but you might want to check it out.

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    I'm sweatin' here








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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    I'm sweatin' here
    I do love this part.....
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    If you find a eyelet-less rim with a welded joint, you can have them re-anodized... ask Surly to see whether the Marge Lite is bonded or welded.

    P.S. How can you not have wheels ready yet?!


    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Is Speedway the only ones making decent fat rims in SILVER? I need one offset drilled rim so that I can build a Lefty fat wheel. Already called Speedway and they don't have any offset drilled silver rims in stock.

    The other option is to find a rim that already has the offset row of spoke holes and repaint it. So, has anyone stripped or repainted the Large Marge Lite? If so, how'd it turn out?

    A few people have suggested that I could drill new spoke holes in a silver Speedway rim, and I'm considering it if I can't source what I'm looking for. Just seems a little scary to do to a brand new $150+ part

    Please lemme know if you have any other ideas or leads. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Is Speedway the only ones making decent fat rims in SILVER? I need one offset drilled rim so that I can build a Lefty fat wheel. Already called Speedway and they don't have any offset drilled silver rims in stock.

    The other option is to find a rim that already has the offset row of spoke holes and repaint it. So, has anyone stripped or repainted the Large Marge Lite? If so, how'd it turn out?

    A few people have suggested that I could drill new spoke holes in a silver Speedway rim, and I'm considering it if I can't source what I'm looking for. Just seems a little scary to do to a brand new $150+ part

    Please lemme know if you have any other ideas or leads. Thanks!
    Just as a note, you don't need to build Lefty into offset drilling - this is crosslaced 3x:

    The USChopper 100mm rim is available in silver (the one above was powdercoated)
    Rim Only 26 x 4 Silver - Cycles U.S. LLC/Choppers U.S.
    You do have to get a P321 36h hub, since the rims are 36h only. 65, 80, and 100mm width.
    This isn't a "you're doing it wrong" topic.

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    This bike is gonna be unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty View Post
    If you find a eyelet-less rim with a welded joint, you can have them re-anodized... ask Surly to see whether the Marge Lite is bonded or welded.

    P.S. How can you not have wheels ready yet?!
    Ha! Look what the cat dragged in. You looking for a fatty now too?

    I haven't built the wheels yet because I wasn't sure which direction I'd go with the fork (Enabler, White Bros, Lefty, etc.) Unfortunately, they're all incompatible with each other's hubs, so I held off building until I decided. I'll run the Lefty, but I'm also looking at rigid options.

    Regarding re-anodizing, can you go from a darker color (black) to a lighter color?

    Wadester- MendonCycleSmith and I had a phone discussion over Lefty wheel options, and your name came up. I've been looking at your old threads, and frankly, your wheel lacing looks intimidating. I've built maybe 50 wheels, but it has always been 3x with no fanciness whatsoever. Those rims look solid and...heavy. I'm looking to go as light as I can, and drilled-out single wall rims look to be the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Ha! Look what the cat dragged in. You looking for a fatty now too?

    I picked up a sweet second-hand Pugsley a few months ago... love it!


    Regarding re-anodizing, can you go from a darker color (black) to a lighter color?
    Yep, they will chemically strip the previous color.

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    this forum is killing me. Between building Ricky's bike (which is amazing fun) and looking through Mike C's thread I'm having a bit of an internal struggle right now as to whether or not I should slot myself into the next available build opening.

    Big thanks to Ricky for giving me the opportunity and to Mike for setting the bar so high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge View Post
    ...... I'm having a bit of an internal struggle right now as to whether or not I should slot myself into the next available build opening.
    Well...

    What else should one do with all of their scads of free time?

    Stunning work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    This bike is gonna be unreal.
    Looks real to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
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    Wicked nice! I can't wait to see this one!


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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge View Post
    this forum is killing me. Between building Ricky's bike (which is amazing fun) and looking through Mike C's thread I'm having a bit of an internal struggle right now as to whether or not I should slot myself into the next available build opening.

    Big thanks to Ricky for giving me the opportunity and to Mike for setting the bar so high.
    What, no NAHBS? I'm sure you're busy and the show is costly, but this bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    What, no NAHBS? I'm sure you're busy and the show is costly, but this bike...
    No NAHBS this year. The cost of NAHBS is worth the exposure potential without a doubt, but it interfered with some family planning. I need this time to focus on preparing for rugrat #2 rather than fretting about a display, crating, t-shirts and all the associated hoopla.

    Besides, Ricky doesn't even have wheels yet...sheesh.
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    Awesome, and how could you not build one for yourself smudge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge View Post
    this forum is killing me. Between building Ricky's bike (which is amazing fun) and looking through Mike C's thread I'm having a bit of an internal struggle right now as to whether or not I should slot myself into the next available build opening.

    Big thanks to Ricky for giving me the opportunity and to Mike for setting the bar so high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Is Speedway the only ones making decent fat rims in SILVER? I need one offset drilled rim so that I can build a Lefty fat wheel. Already called Speedway and they don't have any offset drilled silver rims in stock.

    The other option is to find a rim that already has the offset row of spoke holes and repaint it. So, has anyone stripped or repainted the Large Marge Lite? If so, how'd it turn out?

    A few people have suggested that I could drill new spoke holes in a silver Speedway rim, and I'm considering it if I can't source what I'm looking for. Just seems a little scary to do to a brand new $150+ part

    Please lemme know if you have any other ideas or leads. Thanks!
    Redrilling singlewall rims is a piece o' cake.

    If I were you I'd find your preferred rim based on it's specs and build history (and I know this guy who knows a bit about these things...) and then have it stripped and polished.

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    WOW! Looks real purty! But heavy and flexy

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    Shiny fat rims



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    I like shiny.....

    On removing ano. If you like DIY, I've had luck with EZ Off. Just like with paint stripper, let the chemicals do the work, don't rush it.
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    That sure is a work of art. Looking forward to the final build!
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    Nothing but the finest for this steed:




    1. High-rise steel handlebar for strength
    2. Post Moderne seatpost 26.6mm (might need a shim for 30.9mm)
    3. Adjustable angle stem for easy adjustments in varying terrain
    4. Avocet bottle cages, powdercoated pink
    5. Scott AT-4 grips (made of real Kraton!)
    6. Jandd pink handlebar bag with WOMBATS patch for power pills and energy snacks
    7. Avid SD 2.0 cantilever brake levers
    8. Gorilla brake booster for awesome skids
    9. Cane Creek handlebar end grip extenders for aero tucks
    10. Forte Easy Rider saddle in case the 'roids flare up



    If Sean doesn't get the cantilever posts on the frame, I'll have to think of something else for #7 and #8.
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    you had me had me at that killer frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Nothing but the finest for this steed:




    1. High-rise steel handlebar for strength
    2. Post Moderne seatpost 26.6mm (might need a shim for 30.9mm)
    3. Adjustable angle stem for easy adjustments in varying terrain
    4. Avocet bottle cages, powdercoated pink
    5. Scott AT-4 grips (made of real Kraton!)
    6. Jandd pink handlebar bag with WOMBATS patch for power pills and energy snacks
    7. Avid SD 2.0 cantilever brake levers
    8. Gorilla brake booster for awesome skids
    9. Cane Creek handlebar end grip extenders for aero tucks
    10. Forte Easy Rider saddle in case the 'roids flare up



    If Sean doesn't get the cantilever posts on the frame, I'll have to think of something else for #7 and #8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Nothing but the finest for this steed:


    1. High-rise steel handlebar for strength
    2. Post Moderne seatpost 26.6mm (might need a shim for 30.9mm)
    3. Adjustable angle stem for easy adjustments in varying terrain
    4. Avocet bottle cages, powdercoated pink
    5. Scott AT-4 grips (made of real Kraton!)
    6. Jandd pink handlebar bag with WOMBATS patch for power pills and energy snacks
    7. Avid SD 2.0 cantilever brake levers
    8. Gorilla brake booster for awesome skids
    9. Cane Creek handlebar end grip extenders for aero tucks
    10. Forte Easy Rider saddle in case the 'roids flare up


    If Sean doesn't get the cantilever posts on the frame, I'll have to think of something else for #7 and #8.
    Awesome ...

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    So, not being terribly familiar with Vertigo, you'll forgive the question....

    Ti, or stainless? The welds look steelish, hence the question.

    Lookin' sweet, LOVE the build kit
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    So, not being terribly familiar with Vertigo, you'll forgive the question....

    Ti, or stainless? The welds look steelish, hence the question.

    Lookin' sweet, LOVE the build kit
    Craig,

    That's a photo of a fusion weld, where the two tubes are simply melted together with no filler. That's why it looks so tiny. If one were to try to get the full weld width in this manner, the mitered tube would tear open. The fusion ensures full weld penetration and is followed by another pass to add the filler and bring the joint up to strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge View Post
    Craig,

    That's a photo of a fusion weld, where the two tubes are simply melted together with no filler. That's why it looks so tiny. If one were to try to get the full weld width in this manner, the mitered tube would tear open. The fusion ensures full weld penetration and is followed by another pass to add the filler and bring the joint up to strength.
    This is interesting;

    Laying down a contiguous "bed" for the actual weld to nest/fuse into. Very interesting. I had never considered this, but it makes perfect sense! As he suggests, even with exceptional miters (which are mandatory for this), you are stealing material from both tubes to create this fusion, and necessarily thinning them at a critical juncture. You can do this with some materials and in certain applications and get away with a fusion weld alone (I do it on stainless intercooler/intake hard pipes), but not in this case. It also occurs to me that this fusion step makes it much easier to get visually stunning (and structurally solid) final welds when it is time to add the filler.

    Thanks for letting that little trick slip out!
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