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    Good job! Vee Rubber - Vee 8

    Ordered quite some time ago from Jenson USA, delivered yesterday. At $60/ea, they're quite a "deal" for 26x4.0 tires. It was a great present heading into the weekend. I only was able to get them out of the box last night and they looked sharp. As the early reviews around the interweb state, the knobs are pretty small and looked to be geared toward speed rather than traction. I don't have a scale to weigh them, sorry.

    Installed on the Necro Pug with Rolling Darryls this morning as well as my wife's "regular" Pug with Marge Lite's. Easy to mount with a toob that had quite a bit of air in it already.

    I pumped the Necro up to about 15 and took it for a short spin. These things are FAST on pavement. They're also much quieter than the Larry/Endo I had been running on pavement and hardpack. I cruised for a while without hands on the bar and they didn't seem to want to wander. I found a park with some grass, a ball field, mulch, and a short section of single-track. It's dry here today and they performed well during the short test. They maintained some grip as I was twisting and turning in multiple attempts to wipe out.

    Color me impressed! I'll head out in the rain tomorrow to see how that goes and then I'll head onto some more single and double-track during the week to put them through the paces. These could be a really good, inexpensive summer tire!

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    how tall are they on your RD? Ive got a set of on-one floaters coming but was looking at these purely due to pricing and the fact that here in hawaii id be riding on pavement to get to adventure spots so aggressive thread isnt really needed.

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    looking forward to your review on the trails.
    I am still running my stock Larry up front and a knard on the rear of my necro.

    Would love to hear what you think of those up front on dry trails?




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    How does the volume and size compare to the larry/endo's?

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    I look forward to your trail report. Have been considering these for summer use but had a bad experience with Vee Rubbers Devistators in terms of self steering. I am also thinking about running one in the rear and leaving the Nate up front. Terrain is NEPA, rocky and rooty single track.

    Have you run these at 8-10 lbs of pressure yet? How much do they weigh? Comfort level compared to other fat tires that you have run? The website at one point was claiming 1400 grams which is very light for the price ratio. Thanks!

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    A couple more pics

    Here are a couple of other pics to give you an idea of the profile and width with about 12-15 psi.

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    I didn't have a scale handy to weigh them before install, sorry.

    I'll let you know what I think as I get some more time to experiment with surfaces and pressure. It's raining like hell here in Mpls today so I know the trails will be closed until at least tomorrow or Tuesday.

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    Nice. When did these come on the market?

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    Just a word of warning....Got mine in the mail yesterday and although the Jenson website lists them as 120tpi, they are 60tpi. But according to fatbike.com the 120tpi was supposed to go for $80, so maybe $60 for 60tpi isn't totally bad. It weighs in at 1480g. Have not mounted them up yet.

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    Is anyone else selling these tires other then Jenson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    Is anyone else selling these tires other then Jenson?
    Any bike shop with a J&B Importers account should be able to get them.

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    I guess there is or will be two versions: 120tpi and 60tpi?
    The pictures on Fat-bike.com clearly show a 120tpi decal on the sidewall
    Jensonusa website showa them as 120tpi for $60, but apparently they are the 60tpi????

    to make things even more unclear:
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    the text says 120tpi, and the chart at the bottom says 60tpi

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    I just picked some up from Universal with a 10% off code and 2.99 shipping. Came to 112 or so, shipped for a pair. Cheaper than my Bud tire alone!
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    I got them out yesterday on a crushed limestone and crushed granite rail-to-trail. I went just over 60 miles and they were a very nice ride. I also took some detours into the woods on singletrack and they did a nice job of providing a confident footprint, even when they were pumped up to about 15psi. Also spend a few miles on a loose gravel roads with some washboard sections and they did a nice job there as well.

    Especially for the price, I'm impressed. IF it ever stops raining up here, I'll get onto some proper singletrack trails for some loops to give them a whirl. Unfortunately it's raining again today and by the time trails dry out for the weekend, it's supposed to rain again.

    Also, as other posts mentioned, they are 60tpi whereas they are advertised as 120. I'm just out having fun and they seem to get the job done for a good price. Others may be more sensitive to the difference but I'm not sure if I would know one vs. the other.

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    Good to hear the positive results. If you don't mind, I am wondering about your riding weight all geared up? I go about 230ish and my friend believes that bigger riders are better off sticking with the cheaper 27tpi tires (although in this case obviously, these ARE the cheaper tires even though they are the higher TPI!!!)

    I am still curious if you have noticed any self steering? Some of the other Vee models such as the Devastators have some strange steering "features" at lower pressures such as 8 pounds and less. No matter what though I am happy to see more tire competition on the market. Thanks

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    Got a pair of these yesterday,
    when I ordered these from Jenson they were listed as 120 tpi so I called them and they took 20 bucks off , I thought wow good deal! So I mounted them up and aired them to 12 psi. I weigh 160 without gear.

    It was raining off and on here so my first test ride was on the road where I thought that these spun up pretty quick compared to the Nate/Bud combo I had been running all winter. I did notice that there seem to be some quirky feeling in the front tire almost like it wanted to pull to the right when I had both hands on the bars. When I would ride no handed it seemed to track straight? The back tire seems to have a slight lump in it that I bet will work it self out. I will edit this when I get to ride some more varied terrain in the coming week, but so far for the money they seem like they will work well for my intended purposes.

    On Rolling Darryls the casing measured 3.84 and to the side of the knobbies was 3.43. I didn't have a scale but they felt close to the same weight as the nate 120tpi.
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    There are a handful left on Universal Cycles. There were 16 when I ordered yesterday, sorry, forgot to post at the time. Universal Cycles -- Vee Rubber Vee 8 Fat Bike Tire
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    Re: Vee Rubber - Vee 8

    Could they make the sidewall graphics any lamer?

    Also, the tread should wrap around the tire a bit more.

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    They don't give happy endings either. What gives Vee Rubber?

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    Just got my tires in from Universal and they are 120 tpi!

    Stoked.

    1463 grams for one.

    1365 for the other one.

    Huge difference but I guess I'll put the light one on the front.
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    I am curious to hear if yours have any self steer characteristics?
    I have ridden mine 30 miles or so and took them out to one of our local multi user crushed limestone trails yesterday, I started out at 12 psi and went down to 9 and the self steering feeling became worse. It wants to make a right turn all the time. I will try switching the front to back and see if the back one steers any better for now. Anybody with any other suggestions?
    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Just got my tires in from Universal and they are 120 tpi!

    Stoked.

    1463 grams for one.

    Anybody with any other suggestions?


    1365 for the other one.

    Huge difference but I guess I'll put the light one on the front.

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    [QUOTE=Forged1;10474156]I am curious to hear if yours have any self steer characteristics?
    I have ridden mine 30 miles or so and took them out to one of our local multi user crushed limestone trails yesterday, I started out at 12 psi and went down to 9 and the self steering feeling became worse. It wants to make a right turn all the time. I will try switching the front to back and see if the back one steers any better for now. Anybody with any other suggestions?[/QUOTI E]

    Actually I am watching this thread carefully due to past experiences with Origin 8 Devastators (made by Vee Rubber) that had alarming self steering at even 8 pounds up front. My friend and I had to take them to 10 pounds up front just to get rid of the annoying self steering characteristics. To Vee's credit, the tires (referring to the Devastators) were/are virtually indestructible and actually worked great on rocky single track. But if we tried running them at lower pressures the squarish profile (we are assuming) would sometimes "catch and follow an edge" and it was unnerving at best. I don't understand them pulling to one side though. That is odd. In our case it hinge on catching a rut edge and then the tire seeming to "lock on".
    I think this may be a more common characteristic of fat tires in that I have seen it mentioned occasionally about knards and larrys for that matter. All when running lower pressures. I may end up sticking with the nates. They will self steer also but I have only noticed it on pavement and have not noticed it on rutted single track. Perhaps I will pick up one Vee 8 and that way I can run it on the back if it doesn't work out on the front. i was hoping to find a lightweight summer tire set to prevent wearing down the Nates. IIRC, they are also rated for tubeless which would be a nice feature as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Could they make the sidewall graphics any lamer?

    Also, the tread should wrap around the tire a bit more.
    This. Wonder how they hook up in corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Honeybadger View Post

    Actually I am watching this thread carefully due to past experiences with Origin 8 Devastators (made by Vee Rubber) that had alarming self steering at even 8 pounds up front. My friend and I had to take them to 10 pounds up front just to get rid of the annoying self steering characteristics. To Vee's credit, the tires (referring to the Devastators) were/are virtually indestructible and actually worked great on rocky single track. But if we tried running them at lower pressures the squarish profile (we are assuming) would sometimes "catch and follow an edge" and it was unnerving at best. I don't understand them pulling to one side though. That is odd. In our case it hinge on catching a rut edge and then the tire seeming to "lock on".
    I think this may be a more common characteristic of fat tires in that I have seen it mentioned occasionally about knards and larrys for that matter. All when running lower pressures. I may end up sticking with the nates. They will self steer also but I have only noticed it on pavement and have not noticed it on rutted single track. Perhaps I will pick up one Vee 8 and that way I can run it on the back if it doesn't work out on the front. i was hoping to find a lightweight summer tire set to prevent wearing down the Nates. IIRC, they are also rated for tubeless which would be a nice feature as well.

    They call it a radial pull in automotive terms. It usually is noticable when wide, grippy tires are placed on the front of a vehical and when you go over uneven pavement the tires will grab and follow patches of tarmac that shift the steering in a different direction. I'm guessing this is just happening at a smaller scale with fat tires.

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    Dude.

    These self steer like a MF.

    Sort of scary really.

    I'm gonna give them a shot on the trail, but right not I can really deal. I rolled them around the city briefly at high pressure. Dropped the pressure a bit, which helped, but its still prevalent.

    Sucks. Maybe they'll get better if they wear in a bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Dude.

    These self steer like a MF.

    Sort of scary really.

    I'm gonna give them a shot on the trail, but right not I can really deal. I rolled them around the city briefly at high pressure. Dropped the pressure a bit, which helped, but its still prevalent.

    Sucks. Maybe they'll get better if they wear in a bit?

    I've experienced the same thing with the Speedster tires. Vee Rubber has design issues that make the ride a chore rather than fun. Rode them twice and couldn't handle them any more. Using my On One Floaters and love the heck out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrkgstiff View Post
    I've experienced the same thing with the Speedster tires. Vee Rubber has design issues that make the ride a chore rather than fun. Rode them twice and couldn't handle them any more. Using my On One Floaters and love the heck out of them.
    Sorry to hear about the Vee 8s although my nates will exhibit self steer on bike paths but are awesome on singletrack both summer and winter. Good to hear about the Floaters and Knards, at least that is another option. I might still pick up one as a rear tire but not so sure now. I had tried the Vee Mission and that had horrible "radial pull" (thanks for the heads up there!) as well. It is a shame..I was really looking forward to the V8s!

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    BTW appleseed- on the Devastators my friend and I found that about 10 pounds would alleviate the self steering on single track at least. However, we prefer to run lower pressures and therein lies the problem. If you are riding in the city, you can pump those puppies up (gradually, the tires develop a lot of bounce which I am sure you have or will notice) to 15-20 pounds easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrkgstiff View Post
    I've experienced the same thing with the Speedster tires. Vee Rubber has design issues that make the ride a chore rather than fun. Rode them twice and couldn't handle them any more. Using my On One Floaters and love the heck out of them.
    Don't Vee Rubber make the Floaters too?
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    The Vee Rubber Mission 26"x4.0" tires are on sale at Pricepoint right now for $36.98 each. Only 100 or so grams heavier than a 27tpi Surly Nate, so I ordered one today. Looking forward to trying it out, to see if itís as crappy as the reviews have been indicating. Worst case Iíll slap it on my wifeís 9:zero:7, seeing as she maybe rides 150 miles a year.
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    Hey;

    If you are basing your steering wishes on regular skinny tire bike feel, you will be disappointed with a Fatbike. ALL fat tires at optimum pressure for dirt exhibit self steer to some degree. Some are worse than others FOR SURE, but they all do it. It geeked me out when I first experienced it, and there is a thread on this forum to prove it. I thought the HuDu were terrible when I first went fat. Nates less so, but they still do it. It is something that tire engineers need to pay attention to, for sure.

    What I've noticed in my second year of Fatness is that I don't really notice it anymore. Ride on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Hey;

    If you are basing your steering wishes on regular skinny tire bike feel, you will be disappointed with a Fatbike. ALL fat tires at optimum pressure for dirt exhibit self steer to some degree. Some are worse than others FOR SURE, but they all do it. It geeked me out when I first experienced it, and there is a thread on this forum to prove it. I thought the HuDu were terrible when I first went fat. Nates less so, but they still do it. It is something that tire engineers need to pay attention to, for sure.

    What I've noticed in my second year of Fatness is that I don't really notice it anymore. Ride on.
    This. It's like jumping into a sports car with wide, grippy tires - at first you'll be like WTF...then you get used to it.

    It's the nature of the beast. Of course some tires will be worse than others, but with tires this wide, it's going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    Don't Vee Rubber make the Floaters too?
    I think they do, but Shiggy designed them. It's not the manufacture so much as it is the design of the tire, pressure, etc. IMHO. I just think the design isn't as good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Hey;

    If you are basing your steering wishes on regular skinny tire bike feel, you will be disappointed with a Fatbike. ALL fat tires at optimum pressure for dirt exhibit self steer to some degree. Some are worse than others FOR SURE, but they all do it. It geeked me out when I first experienced it, and there is a thread on this forum to prove it. I thought the HuDu were terrible when I first went fat. Nates less so, but they still do it. It is something that tire engineers need to pay attention to, for sure.

    What I've noticed in my second year of Fatness is that I don't really notice it anymore. Ride on.
    No argument there. HuDus at low pressure stink. The Floaters not so much and since I am used to the self steer, it was less noticeable. But the Vee Rubber I rode was excessive and too much for me at all pressures. I tried everything and still experienced the radial pull. I know I've hijacked this thread somewhat by discussing a different tire, so I apologize, but the jist is that tires exhibiting that radial pull are a no go for me. Shiggy did a great job designing the Floater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrkgstiff View Post
    Shiggy did a great job designing the Floater.
    This. Great job and thanks.

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    No argument there. HuDus at low pressure stink. The Floaters not so much and since I am used to the self steer, it was less noticeable. But the Vee Rubber I rode was excessive and too much for me at all pressures. I tried everything and still experienced the radial pull. I know I've hijacked this thread somewhat by discussing a different tire, so I apologize, but the jist is that tires exhibiting that radial pull are a no go for me. Shiggy did a great job designing the Floater.
    What rim width are you (and the others in this thread) using?

    I was riding the Large Marge (65mm) with Nates, Big Fat Larry and the Mission. Never noticed self steer with the Nate. Little with the BFL. The Mission would hook hard when I leaned the bike.

    Glad the Floater is working well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    What rim width are you (and the others in this thread) using?

    I was riding the Large Marge (65mm) with Nates, Big Fat Larry and the Mission. Never noticed self steer with the Nate. Little with the BFL. The Mission would hook hard when I leaned the bike.

    Glad the Floater is working well.
    Kudos to you for the design work Shiggy. Really like the tire. As to rims:

    Was running the Weinmann DHL 101 100mm rim up front on a Lefty setup. Had the HuDu, then the Vee Rubber Speedster, then the Floater. Self steer on the HuDu at pretty low pressure, but not really noticeable at higher pressures. When I used the Vee Rubber Speedster on that rim... yikes! I relaced the hub to a NWTrials 47mm rim and had the same issue with the Speedster. Zero issue with the Floater. It wears pretty fast, but traction is excellent.
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    [QUOTE=shiggy;10477461]What rim width are you (and the others in this thread) using?

    I was riding the Large Marge (65mm) with Nates, Big Fat Larry and the Mission. Never noticed self steer with the Nate. Little with the BFL. The Mission would hook hard when I leaned the bike.


    Rolling Darryls (82mm) here on a 2012 XL 907. Love the Nates but had bad luck with the Devastators and the Missions (tried as a front only - hated it). I am considering running a Nate front/Knard Rear or even a Bud front/Knard rear or Bud front and BFL rear (it it fits). Currently on Nate/Nate which is good with our current damp conditions but still looking at summer alternatives and then back to Nates for the winter

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    Two points;

    Has anyone tried running these tires that pull terribly, backwards? Flip them around and see how they steer. If it goes away I'd be inclined to think it was down to the tread pattern. If it does not, then something in the casing or profile was to blame. This would be something good to do to add to the knowledge base here, and help us all understand these tires.

    Shiggy; did you design/test the Floater with steer as a criteria, and if so, how did you design FOR it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Two points;

    Has anyone tried running these tires that pull terribly, backwards? Flip them around and see how they steer. If it goes away I'd be inclined to think it was down to the tread pattern. If it does not, then something in the casing or profile was to blame. This would be something good to do to add to the knowledge base here, and help us all understand these tires.

    Shiggy; did you design/test the Floater with steer as a criteria, and if so, how did you design FOR it?

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    I'm eagerly awaiting my first set of Floaters right now. I hope that the small weight penalty over my current HuDus means that there is extra rubber in the sidewalls, and that they won't go THREADBARE like My HuDus are!!!!!
    I did not try the Mission reversed. Did flip a Nate on the rear, but not the front. Did not like the braking flipped.

    I designed the Floater (and the other O-O tires) to be a trail type tire based on my experience with hundreds of different treads and how they worked. Steering/tracking was part of the goal, as well as good transition and edge grip, drive and braking (as any tire design should). There was no budget to produce and test samples before production, and I had barely ridden a fat bike (and only Nates) before the design was finalized. The only compromise I made was cutting the tread depth by ~1.5mm to trim ~200g from the weight. I wanted a bit more grip and longer wear.

    "Bare" sidewall casing threads are not a problem unless they are not stuck together. Just being able to see them and being a bit fuzzy does not really matter. The "extra" rubber adds little strength, adds weight, and reduces suppleness. The Missions I had used so much rubber in the casing I could run them under 5psi and they were still harsh riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    What rim width are you (and the others in this thread) using?

    I was riding the Large Marge (65mm) with Nates, Big Fat Larry and the Mission. Never noticed self steer with the Nate. Little with the BFL. The Mission would hook hard when I leaned the bike.

    Glad the Floater is working well.
    82mm Holy Rolling Darryls with lightweight q tubes, had bud up front and nate in the back and had no noticeable pull or self steering and played with pressures from 15psi down to 2.5 psi.
    Have not had a chance to flip the front and back tire yet , might try reversing the front first. Thanks TM!

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    I have experience with fat bikes and tires. Having ridden a first gen Mukluk for a few years with an Endo and Larry. Now on a Pugsley with Holy Darryl's and was running a Bud up front and Nate on the rear with no "sled steer" issues. I get that you have to overemphasize movements on the trail etc.

    These are really excessive though. It feels as though the headset may be too tight or you have forgot to take the Park handlebar holder off. It's really crazy to describe and when I was reading it while they were in transit, I knew what y'all were saying, but never thought it would be this bad. It's almost dangerous.

    I had them at very high pressure originally and dropped he pressure significantly and like I said, for some reason it seemed to help. Trails are wet here in KC now, but should be drying out soon. Will holler back when I get some XC testing done.
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    Are you guys experiencing self steer with an offset fork? I've ridden a few pugs with offset forks and they handle way worse than my moonlander's symmetrical one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Are you guys experiencing self steer with an offset fork? I've ridden a few pugs with offset forks and they handle way worse than my moonlander's symmetrical one.
    2013 mukluk NO offset here.

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    Re: Vee Rubber - Vee 8

    The offset should not effect handling. The new Moonlanders have offset forks as well.

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    FWIW, I now have a little more than 100mi on them and I haven't really noticed the handling described above. Not much different to me than my experience with Nate/Larry/Endo. I'm on a Necro with a non-offset fork.

    I dunno, I guess I'll be cautious...some of the above posts make me wonder what I'm doing wrong. Does rider weight have anything to do with this? I'm not a heavy guy (150 lbs) riding a 16" frame.

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    For those of you who don't like your Vee Rubber tires, please send them to me. No, they are not perfect, but for the price...I've ridden both Devist8ers (wire beads don't mount perfect for me which sucks and they do self steer at lower pressures) and Missions (roll faster but not as aggressive). Both of them can be used to shred on trails. They may not be the best, but they can get the job done. I may ride more pressure in mine on my local trails as they are super rocky. There's no way I'd run under 10psi on my local stuff. They work for me though. Right now, however, I am trying some Knards to see how I like them.

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    Went from an On One Floater front / Surly BFL rear to Vee 8 front and rear. Went riding on "hero dirt" as they call it, no sand yet. (That's what BFLs are for anyway.)

    Uh. Wow. The Floater is going back on the front (my favorite tire overall so far btw, great job Shiggy). The Vee 8 really does self steer on a hard surface. Can't say psi because I just don't bother anymore, I've gotten used to the feel. The Vee 8 was unassuming in the rear, rolls nice and a touch more bite than a BFL but it is obviously not an ultra grip tire either.

    If you were super skilled, you could probably steer this tire up front by leaning the bike and riding no handed. Like worse than an Endomorph up front, for the more grisled fattie riders out there.

    This was on Marges and a Lefty.

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    Is the self-steer on the V-8 because of a square-ish profile?...say in the square-ish profile sorta way that make the Endomorph so very suitable to soft conditions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    Is the self-steer on the V-8 because of a square-ish profile?...say in the square-ish profile sorta way that make the Endomorph so very suitable to soft conditions?
    Sounds plausible to me!
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    I've only run a Knard on rear, and recently switched to a HuDu up front. The rear knard does self steer a bunch but it's not as weird to have it out back. The front Larry only did under 7psi or so. With the HuDu on front, I have to run at least 9-10 psi to get it to calm down. It's down right scary when jumping berms or curbs off camber under 12 psi. This tire seems to be pretty similar in tread design. Are we doomed to trade traction for stability? It is quite unnerving when both front and rear are trying to buck you off in the same direction at the same time. Something I never noticed with a Larry on the front. At least only the rear was out of whack. This combo is also VERY loose on loose gravel/limestone at speed downhill. Just have to have a light grip and let the bike float. Still bad if you have to change direction quickly.

    I was hoping this might be a better option but it's not looking that way. I don't really feel like pushing a Nate around on our tight and twisty rolling hills single but rooted single track. I have yet to try the HuDu front AND rear (I do have two) or the Knard up front, but I assumed the angled treads of the HuDu would track better leaned over (which they do if not Squished too much). I am abour 240lbs geared if that means anything. Tend to favor 8-9 psi with ultralight Q tubes.
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    Hey;

    I'm about the same size/pressure. You WILL get used to the HuDus, Mochunk. I thought the same at first, but now I don't notice it so much. About the same as my Nate, really.
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    Re: Vee Rubber - Vee 8

    I'm really confused by this latest feedback on the Vee8, especially after the great write-up and review by Gomez on fat-bike.com

    I was really interested in getting these for a singletrack cruisin tire, but now not so sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I'm really confused by this latest feedback on the Vee8, especially after the great write-up and review by Gomez on fat-bike.com

    I was really interested in getting these for a singletrack cruisin tire, but now not so sure.
    Yep, same here. I read the review but my experiences with their Devastator made me hold off on pulling the trigger. However, it may just depend on your trails. My favorite trail to ride has a lot of twisty, rutted hard pack in the summer and the self steering can be dangerous on those trails. There are other trails that I ride in which the Devastators were phenomenal because I never get up to speeed due the sheer amount of rocks and obstacles. At this point, I believe it the casing that they use which gives the tire a more squarish profile. Based on first hand use of the Devastator and the Vee Rubber Missions, they are both tough as nails tires but the self steering is tough as a front tire. I think I could use one as a rear. I was really hoping to use the Vee 8s front and rear but at this point it probably won't be happening. It would have saved my Nates for the winter.

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    BTW, my bike (907) came with Nates so that was/is my benchmark. My friend had done research ahead of time and requested the Nates so we were spoiled without even realizing it. I would like to try a Bud or Lou up front and maybe a BFL on the rear (if it will fit..may be close in the 907 rear triangle). My cassette is truncated down to a 8 speed with spacers so there is a ton of clearance for the chain (nice in mud and grime) but that doesn't help the chainstays any.

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    I ran a little test over the weekend starting with the psi at 20 and letting one pound out and riding for a while until i got down to 6psi. 16psi is the sweet spot for asphalt- auto steer is minimal and they roll pretty fast (nothing improved when you go more than that). On the gravel path you can go down to 12 and the auto steer is minimal and the roll resistance is still minimal as well.

    I was disappointed with them at first because I wanted to run them around 10, but now am happy knowing these pressures.

    Also a little tip for mounting them** get a bar of soap and run it along the inside edge of the bead before you mount them, this will help them set up nicer and they will not have any wild wobbles once on the rim. They really don't set up nice at first!

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    If anyone wants to try these tires shoot me a message. They are not for me. I got spoiled with the slow grippy Bud/Nate combo and am going back to that. One ride on asphalt and one on the dirt.

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    appleSSeed your reply is well timed - got a different ride in today than that which preceded my last post, I wanted to say that riding on anything resembling loose dirt and sand has this tire behaving more mildly up front.

    I'm still more fond of the On One Floater in front though. I'll be keeping this guy on the rear.
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    Just got back from a 40 mile ride on these tires (120tpi version), about 23 on pavement, 7 on a gravel climb, then 8 on a rocky, sometimes very loose, sandy, wet forest road mostly descent with some short very steep ups. I'm very impressed. There is some self steer on the pavement, but it is completely manageable, even on some 30 mph downs. The gravel climb is at 6% most of the way and they just stayed hooked up, even when standing to stretch the legs. While running the ridge they were very impressive staying hooked up the short, steep ups where things were very loose. No problem on the descents either although I'm pretty mellow when descending, especially when I'm by myself. This was all on a Fatback with Marge Lite rims.

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    Aerotugpilot,
    Based on the review above, would you say that I would have a shred-tastic time on these tires? They sound like a good choice for fat bikepacking

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    JYB, they will be great for some fat bikepacking goodness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Hey;

    I'm about the same size/pressure. You WILL get used to the HuDus, Mochunk. I thought the same at first, but now I don't notice it so much. About the same as my Nate, really.
    Not to derail the thread too much talking about different tires. But in part, you were right. Mounted both up and at 8psi they were a little squirrelly but grippy and confidence inspiring. However since a week has gone by and the pressure dropped a tad, the last time out there were downright scary on some sections and on rough turns almost bucked me off. A fine line indeed. I haven't measured the pressure, but I'd guess close to 7. I think 8.5-9 will be ideal if I can keep them there. (yeah yeah, I need to check it more often... temps vary too widely in the summer here to get a constant pressure every ride without doing so).

    On to the vee 8 discussions. I'd certainly try some for the ladies Beast in the winter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aerotugpilot View Post
    JYB, they will be great for some fat bikepacking goodness!
    How heavily is your bike loaded when bikepacking?

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    Performance Bike is the Denver area got a few of the new Charge-branded Fat Bikes that come with a Veerubber Vee8 on them. I rode one around the parking lot the other day immediately after finishing a couple hours on a Mukluk with Nates.

    The self-steer on Pavement was unnerving at best and bordered on downright dangerous. I cannot imagine how easily one could get into trouble with these tires on a bike path or roadway at 15-20 mph.

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    I've put in about 1500 miles on Vee tires in the past year; about 1000 on a Vee Mission, 200 on a Vee 8 and 300 on an Origin-8 Devast8or. What I've found is that if you run the same pressures that you would on a Surly/Innova tire, you get quite a bit of self steer on pavement. If you run them a few pounds higher, there is little discernible loss in performance and a negligible amount of self-steer at 11-12#s. Keep in mind, I'm larger than the average be arm so ymmv, but you do need to treat Vee Tires a little differently; they perform much better with more air in them.

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    I have been riding with the 8's for a couple of months now. I'm glad to see that there are options for folks that aren't quite so expensive. I also want to say that there are other distributors out there now, so most shops can stock them if they choose.

    My thoughts on the tires are that they do have an issue at times with self steering, regardlless of air pressure. Although that would NOT keep me from buying them! I think we all have to remember that since we are riding much wider tires, we also will have some advantages and disadvantages with them.. I'm sure over time, manufactures will work out some of these issues as well... just like they did for 26" 27.5 and 29" tires. What I will say about these tires is that they would be great on hardpack trails, but do seem to "pack up" with either mud or snow and at this point, don't have the abiliity to shed the mud or snow. I also think that they would be a GREAT tire to stud if anyone is intereseted in that..... something that I am planning on doing.

    I bought a pair of Vee rubber Mission tires which have the tread more spaced out and should shed mud/snow a bit better. Now I simply have to mount them up...

    Although the Vee rubber tires might be heavier than most other brands, I love the fact that they are less expensive will give people more choices is wondeful.

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    I got a Charge Cooker Fat Bike about two weeks ago. The VR Vee8 front tire definitely self steers; it's worse at low pressure on a black top surface. Improves when pressure is raised.
    There is quite a lot of snow here and the V8's are not too bad if the temperature is below -10C and I take it easy. At >-5C the tires are only good straight ahead; I may have the pressures too high but the treads fill with snow and cornering is difficult - several unplanned dismounts resulted.
    Do I need to change tires and what do you/all recommend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davim-MTB View Post
    I got a Charge Cooker Fat Bike about two weeks ago. The VR Vee8 front tire definitely self steers; it's worse at low pressure on a black top surface. Improves when pressure is raised.
    There is quite a lot of snow here and the V8's are not too bad if the temperature is below -10C and I take it easy. At >-5C the tires are only good straight ahead; I may have the pressures too high but the treads fill with snow and cornering is difficult - several unplanned dismounts resulted.
    Do I need to change tires and what do you/all recommend.
    Keep lowering pressure and mess around... wait until it warms up a bit (above 0) and try the snow then... is it packed? Lot's of factors to try out before you disregard a tire and look for another.
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    Lowering the pressure helped and we have had higher temperatures and new snow. This yielded some improvement but still shaky cornering and too much concentration needed for me. So I bought and fitted Surly Nates and the improvement in handling has been amazing.

    I cant see the V8s being much use other than as summer back tires.

    Incidentally the cost of the two Nates plus the cost of the Charge Cooker Maxi is at most only $100 less than the cost of a Surly Pugsley at my LBS. To my eye the specs for the two bikes are similar.

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    how wide are those vee8 tires ? at sidewall / knobs ?
    one pic shows ~ 3.2" !? they got to be wider than that ?

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    Pretty sure mine were ~3.8 on Marge Lites.

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    thanks ! looks like I'd loose another 1/4 " due my 47mm rims
    do they roll any faster ? tubeless
    thinking they be a ok tire for summer / non-snow to put in back
    snowshoe or knard in front

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    I really, really like them as a summer/gravel/forest road tire. They are basically a slick so if you run them at low pressures, shockingly, on pavement they self-steer a bit. I run them at 15 and they are great, drop the pressure a bit if things get bumpy. Roll really well, and wear well also.

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    just got new Vee 8 tire -> which version did I get ?
    they have the 120tpi and tubeless ready greyed out.
    the sidewalls feel really stiff. LBS said I got the new version ?
    while the vee website still shows 60tpi . It feels like 27tpi tire.
    -> what version did I get ? what did you get ?

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    Just received this from Bikes Direct. $70 bucks for a set of Vee8's!

    FATBIKE TIRE SPECIAL

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    only $69.95 a pair delivered 48 states {$79.95 in AK & HI}

    To order, simply send an email titled "Fat Bike Tire Special" to bd4holiday@gmail.com
    We'll reply with a Paypal money request at this ridiculous price!

    THIS IS FOR A PAIR! Not just a single tire; we know the price is insane, but hey it IS a promo deal!!
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    Trying to make up my mind on this deal... The bike I just got came with Missions and I'd presumed they'd be a good summer tire, but if I knew that the Vee8 was going to run better on pavement and dry conditions I'd be very tempted at this price. Anybody want to push me over the edge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShartRate View Post
    Trying to make up my mind on this deal... The bike I just got came with Missions and I'd presumed they'd be a good summer tire, but if I knew that the Vee8 was going to run better on pavement and dry conditions I'd be very tempted at this price. Anybody want to push me over the edge?
    Awesome on pavement, gravel and dry trail...just got to run them at a little bit higher pressures on pavement since they are basically a giant slick. I'm getting ready to swap them back on my FatBack for the summer once this last blast of white stuff goes away.

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    Good deal! Will send an e-mail. If they aren't any better than the Missions, I can at least throw these cheapo tires on my wife's bike for the summer to save her Surlys.

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    Can't beat that price. Love my V-8s & thought it was a pretty good deal in Nov @ $60 per tire!
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    The v-8's are a great summer tire.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    not just a summer tire, but keep telling yerselves that if it makes ya feel better. been riding mine on snow for over 3 months. today was close to 3 hours on nothing but a supportive no trail go anywhere frozen crust. great tire from pavement to many snow types. sure it's not a nate in loose snow, but it floats on semi supportive better than a knobby like a nate as there aren't big spaced out knobs to dig in and break through the crust.

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    I too have been riding the V-8's now for about four months. I will definitely agree with others that they do fairly well in hardpacked conditions, but soft snow is of course a whole different ballgame. I definitely feel as though mine have the tendency to " self steer", and changing air pressure has no effect on that. But for $60, they are a great tire and a good value.

    As for how they hook up in the corners, well it's way too early for me to have any sort of opinion on that. But I'll find out in a couple of months when the snow is gone and the ground has had a chance to dry out.

    I will use the Vee Mission tires when I need tires that have a bit more traction, and luckily they are inexpensive as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    not just a summer tire, but keep telling yerselves that if it makes ya feel better. been riding mine on snow for over 3 months. today was close to 3 hours on nothing but a supportive no trail go anywhere frozen crust. great tire from pavement to many snow types. sure it's not a nate in loose snow, but it floats on semi supportive better than a knobby like a nate as there aren't big spaced out knobs to dig in and break through the crust.

    3-5 psi snow, 8-10 psi summer trail. year round fun!

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    I'm considering taking a tire groover to the next one i get and remove about 30% of the knobs for chits & giggles.

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    I have a like new pair available if anyone is looking to try them.

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    rode mine on dirt for a coupla weeks before our 1st snow. perfect on dirt of any kind. and for those of us that ride up to 10 miles on pavement to access trails, they are quiet and roll well. 9+ psi, hardly any self steer.

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    I tried to send the e-mail to bikes direct and have not received a response yet. Does anyone know if the pair of tires for 69.95 is still out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedalicious View Post
    I tried to send the e-mail to bikes direct and have not received a response yet. Does anyone know if the pair of tires for 69.95 is still out there?
    i think that sale ended on the 17th or 24th of March. I sent the email first day and have my tires.

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    Bummer, I just saw this now, How do you like them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedalicious View Post
    Bummer, I just saw this now, How do you like them?
    i put about 50 miles on them over the weekend mostly gravel roads!!! i so far like them roll nice setup tubeless no issues i think they will be a very nice gravel/paved trail tire.

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    Liking mine as well but I've only ridden them on pavement unfortunately (and that's not what we buy these bikes for, right?). I'm going to reserve final judgment until I can take them offroad.

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    I got mine on Friday. I haven't had a chance to take them off road yet, but they seem like they will be great.

    I was really surprised by the difference in weight. 1370.2 & 1253.1

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    So far mine have been doing great on sand!

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    I used mine for the second time today and they are absolutely horrible on anything damp, wet, or loose.... basically what I use my fat bike for. I'm sure they are great on harder surfaces, but no point in using my fat bike on those surfaces, ill just use my 29er full sus. I'm putting Bud/Lou back on. Just can't beat them.
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    duggus, front and back ? on rocks? spin, more detail !? your weight, tire pressure, trail conditions.
    still thanks for the feedback. right now its rain/mud season, in New England, only want to put it in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I used mine for the second time today and they are absolutely horrible on anything damp, wet, or loose.... basically what I use my fat bike for. I'm sure they are great on harder surfaces, but no point in using my fat bike on those surfaces, ill just use my 29er full sus. I'm putting Bud/Lou back on. Just can't beat them.
    Try mounting them backwards, with the ramps on the trailing edge. I figure I'm getting about 20% more traction that way, with a minimal increase in rolling resistance.

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    I did mount backwards on back, regular on front. I had maybe 25% traction in the mud or loose leaf/muck over mud and soft trail. This was primarily noticeable on the back as I was basically slip sliding everywhere. I got a whole .9 miles in yesterday and had to turn back because I couldn't get through the trail. They basically acted like slick's for me in the sloppy stuff. Like I said I'm sure they are fine in dry conditions, when I first started I was amazed how great they rolled. But wet was a no-go for me.

    I'm 220, pressure was 10 when I started because I heard you run them higher, but I lowered after I was slipping to try and gain traction which did nothing. At 10 I also didn't have the normal bulge in the tire that gives you some cushion. I also have them mounted on my 100's which could be an issue, but they don't look that bad on them and if anything should spread the tire out more.

    Not hating on the tire... just giving my honest feedback
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    It totally makes sense that they would not be very good in mud. The lugs are short and close together. For mud, you want tall lugs with space between them to shed the mud.

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    Yeah I would expect these tires to spin in mud. Not a big deal for me right now since you are supposed to stay off muddy trails anyway. Come fall I'll definitely be shopping for something a bit gnarlier.

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