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    Vee-Rubber Snowshoe 4.7 weight

    Vee-Rubber just emailed me the official weights of the new 4.7 Snowshoe that I designed with them (they will sell it to anyone, though, except to other Norwegian bike brands, as per agreement)

    Must admit that I was surprised at the weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Vee-Rubber just emailed me the official weights of the new 4.7 Snowshoe that I designed with them (they will sell it to anyone, though, except to other Norwegian bike brands, as per agreement)

    Must admit that I was surprised at the weight.

    all that and no chips?? why post about it but leave it out?
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    Alrighty, good to see that folks are still interested in the data

    Lightest version, 120tpi, folding, new silica compound edition comes in at 1260g
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    I could not believe the weight (and need to put it on my personal scale first), but Vee have so far been very conservative with claims.
    For example: 120tpi Mission is claimed at 1430, while every one (and that is many) that I have weighed have come in between 1320 and 1420g, with a bunch of the latest ones clustered around 1420 +/-5g, so obviously a controlled manufacturing process and lower weight than claimed, which is extremely rare when it comes to tires.

    My first samples are on their way and I will post pics on the scales and mounted on bikes vs. Mission, etc. once I get them.

    Just changed the spec on our Mk3 bikes from Mission to Snowshoe, and saved 320g by going from 4.0 to 4.7. That is a decent exchange in my book. Should take our Mk3 Mammut F3 very close to sub 25lbs on 103mms and 4.7.
    Norwegians can preorder it for $2100 (plus sales tax). They must be allowed some perks up here in the dark and frozen sub Arctic winter.
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    det aer dejligt det that is awesome news!

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    Count me in for two.
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    I am....well lets just say very excited right now. Now all we need is some real life measurements.

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    Looks like my next front tire. Any word on when they'll be available to the public?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I am....well lets just say very excited right now. Now all we need is some real life measurements.
    Exactly! Count me in as well!
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    EspenW, did you say in another thread that all of these tires will be offered with holes for studs, or that both options will be available.

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    These would just come in time, well, if they are available next month. Hopefully they have the same price point as the Floaters.
    Holes for studs, oh yeah, piercing nips. How close can you get with your bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgould View Post
    How close can you get with your bike?

    Some things we just don't talk about

    And yes if the tire is a good tire and they come out for a decent price I might even be able to afford to stock a few extra. This could really change the fat tire market or it could flop we will see. So far it's looking good but we need some hard numbers to see if they will fit all the 170mm frames.
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    most importantly they weigh as advertised / claimed because we know the devist8ers did not do either by a long shot.
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    Will these fit on the rear of a Pugsley with a RD rim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgould View Post
    Holes for studs, oh yeah, piercing nips. How close can you get with your bike?
    I know you're kidding around, but for those who might not know, from what I've read these tires are desgined to be run with studs. Here's a quote from EspenW in another post:

    We made it slightly smaller than the Bud/Lou in order to fit all those frames where Lou just barely don't fit. In addition, it will have holes for up to 300 studs (like the Escalator, just more volume and more studs)

    I'd be wondering if there is more than one model. With holes and without.

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    Remember... it's "Vee Tire" now... not "Vee Rubber". Awesome on the weight.

    They don't look like they have holes for studs though... or am I missing something?

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    Looks like the first production run will be w/o stud pockets, unfortunately, but I will put some pressure on them to have it incorporated on the later runs.
    I'm confident that the weight is legit, even though it is pretty amazing. As mentioned, everything that I have weighed from them since last fall (tons of Mission, Vee-8s, Speedsters have been at least 10g lower than claimed weight, so I will not be surprised to see these below 1250, and even lower once we get the 300 stud pockets incorporated. Will likely be one studable and a regular version.

    Pugsley on RD rim: I doubt it, as if I recall correctly, the BFL, which is ''only'' a true 4.5 on 100mm rim barely fits. Snowshoe is specified as a true 4.7 on a hundred.

    It should fit those frames where Lou is just a little too big. Like our MK2 bikes. That is why I sepcified Snowhoe at a true 4.7 instead of 4.8 and limited knob height to 6mm vs 7mm on Lou. Slightly more space so that more people can run monsters bigger than 4.5.

    It will also be interesting to see the performance of their new Silica compound. Silica is used in auto winter tires (of the Nordic type) in order to keep them soft when the temps drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Pugsley on RD rim: I doubt it, as if I recall correctly, the BFL, which is ''only'' a true 4.5 on 100mm rim barely fits. Snowshoe is specified as a true 4.7 on a hundred.

    It should fit those frames where Lou is just a little too big. Like our MK2 bikes. That is why I sepcified Snowhoe at a true 4.7 instead of 4.8 and limited knob height to 6mm vs 7mm on Lou. Slightly more space so that more people can run monsters bigger than 4.5.
    I'm eagerly awaiting word on whether they will fit on alu Beargrease with RD
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    I'm afraid these will be to big for my 170 fatback on hundies anyway.

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    I'm thinking that one of these on the front and an On-One Floater on the rear would be a great pair for my Mukluk 2 in snow. The Larry/BFL combo that I have on there now is good, but I'd like some more traction for when the snow isn't packed.

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    This looks like the trick for the rear of my 2012 Mukluk. When I run my Nate I wish for more volume, when I run my BFL I wish for more grip, and a Lou sort of fits but with almost no clearance. The snowshoe looks like the kind of tire I was hoping. Someone would step up and make.

    Nice work! Here is to hoping this tire won't be vaporware like some other tire offerings in the past.

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    We'll have 3 pairs of Vee Snowshoes up here in Norway next week, and I'll throw them all on our official scale.
    Bad news is that the first production run will not have the stud pockets that we originally spec'ed. Reason was that Vee wanted to keep the cost and time to market down for the first production runs, in order to get a good production volume, and to get them on some OEM specs (in addition to Diamant and Nakamura) right away.
    Production lead time will be 45-60 days, so they could be available fairly quickly.
    Our deal with Vee was that we helped them with design and spec of the Snowshoe, as well as providing a guarantee of us byuing a minimum quantity, while they covered the mold and tooling cost. If we had covered that cost, it would have been our exclusive tire (like the Vee made Floater is exclusive to On-One and Sterling is to Fatback). Since we currently only serve the Norwegian market, and already got exclusivity for Snowehoe in that market, paying for the mold cost and thus worldwide exclusivity would not make sense.
    (We are making arrangements with an Australian distributor for Diamant Mammut fatbikes, though, so things are happening with regards to sales abroad)

    Vee is considering offering a studable Snowshoe for the second production run, but they might need some convincing.
    Thus, if you want such a tire, send them an email. They are listening

    Here is an official pic of the Snowshoe, as well as showing them on a nice Borealis carbon bike:

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    Any idea on pricing?

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    Anybody else notice that new Vee option for 29+ up there!

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    I missed that. We need details on that one please.

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    Yeah I'm all over that 29x3 Vee8...and I don't even have a bike that will fit them. Yet.
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    Interesting Vee8 for as spares for as one of my Knards ges damaged... any news on availability?

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    I am very interested to compare the snowshoe with a Lou. Both would fit buy which would have better traction. ..

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    In addition to the scale time, can the snowshoe see time on a clown shoe with calipers on it?

    Many thanks.

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    Just when i talk myself into Bud for the necro-pugs... veetire bumps the anti...
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    Would the softer silica compound be an issue on trail rides? Would it's longevity be much shorter than a Bud or a Lou? I'd like something bigger than 3.8 but probably can't quite fit a Lou(don't have my frame in hand yet to measure). This slightly smaller size intrigues me These or the Fatback 4.2 coming out next spring are my two front runners.

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    Totally off the subject but is anyone ever going to make a sand specific fatbike tire? I was around in the 70's when paddle tires appeared on dune buggies and revolutionized the sport.
    A sand specific fatbike rear tire would need to be mostly treadless to increase the float on sand. The wider the better of course. Does anyone have any experience with bald fat tires on sand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    Totally off the subject but is anyone ever going to make a sand specific fatbike tire? I was around in the 70's when paddle tires appeared on dune buggies and revolutionized the sport.
    A sand specific fatbike rear tire would need to be mostly treadless to increase the float on sand. The wider the better of course. Does anyone have any experience with bald fat tires on sand?
    totally not necessary and would be of no benefit over a similar sized tire like BFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    Totally off the subject but is anyone ever going to make a sand specific fatbike tire? I was around in the 70's when paddle tires appeared on dune buggies and revolutionized the sport.
    A sand specific fatbike rear tire would need to be mostly treadless to increase the float on sand. The wider the better of course. Does anyone have any experience with bald fat tires on sand?

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    I've been told by Vee there is also another rubber in the pipeline, H-Billie 4.25"- ready in Nov. Still trying to hunt a pic down but no luck so far.

    Really hope the Snowshoes will be available soon.. .treads look very agreeable on trails too (not sure about durability). nice good vol rubbers for running wider rims are still kinda limited. I can't really justify the price of the Bud and Lou now with shipping to where i am now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
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    If it came as a 4.7 or 4.8 I would be on it.

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    wondering if they might actually measure more line 4.5" on a 70 mm rim? hence fitting my 170 rear end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggymancan View Post
    wondering if they might actually measure more line 4.5" on a 70 mm rim? hence fitting my 170 rear end.
    I hope so as well but all has been silent.

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    Any word on the cost?

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    170 9zero7 + fork of many names

    on one hand i'm trying to NOT buy a 190mm hub frameset since my 170 hubbed 907 is awesome 85% of the year. Right now i'm on MargeLites w Nates and on the front i've got the 'fork of many names'.
    Any guesses if the snowshoes on Marge Lites will fit between the stays?

    if it in fact would fit then i'd be fine 99% of the time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlh View Post
    Any word on the cost?
    $110-120 retail in the US for the top of the line version from what I hear
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    They have arrived (will mount on rims soonish):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    They have arrived (will mount on rims soonish):
    WOW I'm in depending on size of course!!

    P.S. Thank you so much Espen!! Oh and get us some actual measurements and we will forever be in you debt

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    Mount that bad boy up on a RD and CS and take some pics and measurments!!

    Espen W nominated for most helpfull bike insider on mtbr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    $110-120 retail in the US for the top of the line version from what I hear
    Nice that the price point will be reasonable. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Mount that bad boy up on a RD and CS and take some pics and measurments!!
    Hehe, RD and CS are no-no words around this office
    However, I will mount them on our very own C4 100mm and new 103mm hoops as well
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    So excited to hear the actual sizes I'm almost giddy. These will either save me a bunch of $$$$ or cost me a bunch! Ether way it will be fun I guess.

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    I need to modify/extend the jaws of my caliper in order to ge a true reading, but seems to be very close to 114mm that Vee lists. On one of their spec sheets, they list 114mm on a 93mm rim, and on the CAD drawing, it lists 114mm on a 100mm rim, so this refers to inside and outside width, but official number is 114mm on 100mm rim.
    Surlys official data for BFL is the same 114mm (4.48'') on 100mm rim and as mentioned, 119mm (4.68'') for Bud on a 100mm rim.

    I originally told Vee to make it fit right between a Mission on a 100mm (approx. 110mm)and a Bud on same size rim, so it seems spot on.
    Think of it as a On-One Floater in BFL size, but 300g lighter (note that I got a hand picked pair of Snowshoes and Floaters sometime weigh less than the claimed 1498)
    Knob height is approx. 4.6mm (vs 2.5mm on the Mission).

    They will undoubtly grow somewhat after being inflated for a few days, and I will set them up tubeless on our C4 103mm rims. That will have them expand further.

    I originally specified them to have 300 holes for studs, so hopefully the 2nd generation will have a studable version. If ya'll want that, let Vee know
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    Thanks!! I use a big c clamp then measure the clamp opening.

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    Brilliant idea right there, Mr. bdundee
    Will do so.
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