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    Cool-blue Rhythm Vee Rubber

    Just came across their new site, and some of their offerings look amazing, most particularly the Snowshoe XL and the H-Billie! Has anyone had any experience with them? Have contacted them but haven't heard back, really hope these come out in the UK! Fat Tire | VEE Tire Co.

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    I like the H-Billie, similar in design to the on-one floaters. However, I still don't understand how on-one can sell their tires at the low prices they do.

    Anyway, good on them for doing so.
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    I have the regular Snowshoes and they have been great.

    The XL appears to have the same rubber compound, but a slightly different tread patter and wider casing. I say go for it!

    [Edit] the H-Billie looks pretty intriguing too!

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    I wouldn't hold my breath or trust for any Vee rubber till someone get's em in their paws and does some testing and measuring. They actually said on their FB page that the XL and the Bulldozer sold out already and I have not heard of a anyone anywhere getting either. Maybe they made like 4 of em or some company purchased them all for oem? Like I said I'm looking forward to the new offerings just not holding my breath.

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    I got some snowshoes and they hooked up great on the snow. waiting on the Bulldozers for summer use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo-Rider View Post
    I like the H-Billie, similar in design to the on-one floaters. However, I still don't understand how on-one can sell their tires at the low prices they do.
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    A better question is how can all the other companies sell their tires at such HIGH prices? On-one is selling them for a reasonable market value and they are still making plenty of profit. A 120 TPI fat tire is about $20-$25 at the very MOST at their cost. This includes all of Surly's fat tires. There is huge mark up on fat tires because they can get away with it. As the market gets bigger and more competitve prices will fall.

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    Also, I'm certain the Floater will be a much better tire than the H-Billie. The Floater has similar center section knobs but much better more aggressive side knobs. In other words, it will roll just as good but will have much better over all traction, theoretically, and IMO. I'm running Floaters now and they are awesome tires. Just wish they had a 4.8-5" version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8R View Post
    A better question is how can all the other companies sell their tires at such HIGH prices? On-one is selling them for a reasonable market value and they are still making plenty of profit. A 120 TPI fat tire is about $20-$25 at the very MOST at their cost. This includes all of Surly's fat tires. There is huge mark up on fat tires because they can get away with it. As the market gets bigger and more competitve prices will fall.
    Yes, that's a better way to put it and we can only hope for the day when prices are reasonable. I've been running the vee mission's from day one (they came stock) and finally ordered a set of floaters. At $109 for the set, shipped free, why not.
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    Strada wheels sell a few of their tyres in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_Scotsman View Post
    Strada wheels sell a few of their tyres in the UK.
    None of the new ones and they're way more expensive than places like planet x and triton cycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficerFriendly View Post
    places like planet x and triton cycles
    Email these guys and ask if they are going to get some in..... that might be a better approach than emailing the manufacturer.... or find out who the uk distributer is.

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    Just got the reply email Bulldozers should be available within the next 30 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Just got the reply email Bulldozers should be available within the next 30 days.
    That's what they told me 30 days ago. Ahh life in the fat world.

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    Awesome, are you talking about UK stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    That's what they told me 30 days ago. Ahh life in the fat world.
    A sales rep not being completely honest? The world we live in!

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    I've had a set of H-Billies (120 tpi, folding bead) for some time now. From my experience, the tread is almost 50% of the way between a Floater and a Knard. They roll super smooth on pavement and dirt and grip really well on dirt, loose gravel, and sand. No testing on snow since they came after the snow melt here. Casing is almost 50% of the way between a Knard and a BFL in flattened width, and the quality surpasses my Folding BFL. Sidewalls and Casing at the tread are slightly thicker (likely due to the Tubless-Readiness), but the oddball thing is that the tread width is only 87mm across (layed flat). Therefore, they look really strange in pictures I've seen of the mounted on 80-100mm rims. They look perfect on my 65's though. I would buy them again in a heartbeat given that they were bigger, better quality, and cheaper than a lot of QBP 3.8's.

    As a side note: you can look up J&B Importers and see (for the U.S., at least) if a particular Vee tire is in one of their warehouses. Also, I did not pay full retail for these (thanks to some favors I did for my LBS). I paid US$75 per tire and my shop owner said he was still making money.

    As always, your milage may vary. I was really hoping these would be as good as the QBP offerings and was pleasantly surprised to get something BETTER after all the poo-poo I've seen from others.

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    I've been using regular snowshoes. I ride aggressively in rocky terrain and I'm having problems with puncturing the tire. I'm running them tubeless or else I would pinch flat all the time but the 120 tpi with the silica compound doesn't seem to hold up against rocks. Would the 72 tpi make a big difference for that? Also, are any of the new tires from vee rubber more designed around riding on rough terrain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    A sales rep not being completely honest? The world we live in!
    It was directly from Vee on their FB page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    It was directly from Vee on their FB page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR Z View Post
    I've had a set of H-Billies (120 tpi, folding bead) for some time now. From my experience, the tread is almost 50% of the way between a Floater and a Knard. They roll super smooth on pavement and dirt and grip really well on dirt, loose gravel, and sand. No testing on snow since they came after the snow melt here. Casing is almost 50% of the way between a Knard and a BFL in flattened width, and the quality surpasses my Folding BFL. Sidewalls and Casing at the tread are slightly thicker (likely due to the Tubless-Readiness), but the oddball thing is that the tread width is only 87mm across (layed flat). Therefore, they look really strange in pictures I've seen of the mounted on 80-100mm rims. They look perfect on my 65's though. I would buy them again in a heartbeat given that they were bigger, better quality, and cheaper than a lot of QBP 3.8's.

    As a side note: you can look up J&B Importers and see (for the U.S., at least) if a particular Vee tire is in one of their warehouses. Also, I did not pay full retail for these (thanks to some favors I did for my LBS). I paid US$75 per tire and my shop owner said he was still making money.

    As always, your milage may vary. I was really hoping these would be as good as the QBP offerings and was pleasantly surprised to get something BETTER after all the poo-poo I've seen from others.
    Did you happen to weigh your Hillbillies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bausscog View Post
    Would the 72 tpi make a big difference for that? Also, are any of the new tires from vee rubber more designed around riding on rough terrain?
    From what I've read from others and from experience, the lower tpi tires are slightly more puncture and cut resistant owing to their thicker cords and, subsiquent, thicker casings at the expense of slightly higher rolling resistance. As far as tread for your type of riding I have no idea. I know what type of tread I like for the type of riding I do, but that's mostly midwestern soils. You'll just have to look around for yourself on that one :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamJay View Post
    Did you happen to weigh your Hillbillies?
    I did not. I care more about quality and feel on the bike and these are winners in my book. A quick search of the 'net shows that Fat-Bike.com has them in the 1250 range.

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    My H-billie (folding, 120tpi) came in today, in very cool looking box no less. Weighed it at the LBS, and Vee was off by 100gr! It was cool that they are on the low side, 1,220gr! How about them apples. The tire weighs less than my 29x3 Knard.

    For those that care, the bead to bead width is (9.3") 236mm with my engineers scale.

    Fat front should be laced up on Tuesday for my Jones, my goal is to set this guy up tubeless with a surly rim strip...

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldskipper View Post
    My H-billie (folding, 120tpi) came in today, in very cool looking box no less. Weighed it at the LBS, and Vee was off by 100gr! It was cool that they are on the low side, 1,220gr! How about them apples. The tire weighs less than my 29x3 Knard.

    For those that care, the bead to bead width is (9.3") 236mm with my engineers scale.

    Fat front should be laced up on Tuesday for my Jones, my goal is to set this guy up tubeless with a surly rim strip...
    Thanks for the report, I'm still kinda waiting on the Bulldozer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Thanks for the report, I'm still kinda waiting on the Bulldozer.
    Same here. Hear anything yet on a date?
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    Weight in my shop this day :
    > BULLDOZER 26x4,70 120TPI = 1299grs
    > SNOWSHOE XL 26x4,80 120TPI = 1534grs


    [url=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5281672014VEESNOWSHOEXL120TPI.jpg][/url

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    That weight on the bulldozer is impressive! My H-billie was only 70gr lighter! Casing must be pretty thin on that thing.

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    VEE TRAXFATTY 29+ (29x3.00 127TPI) = 867grs.
    Width on rim ZTR ARCH EX = 69mm (59mm on Maxxis Ardent29x2,40).


    [url=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=6735122014VEETRAXFATTY29127TPI2.jpg][/url

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    Their "Speedster" tires are infinitely superior to QBP's Black Floyds in terms of flat protection and they roll great and are so much cheaper to boot.

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    Wonder how the H-Billie and Bulldozer compare to the Vee 8? I'm looking for a bigger tire with less rolling resistance for rail trails etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Wonder how the H-Billie and Bulldozer compare to the Vee 8? I'm looking for a bigger tire with less rolling resistance for rail trails etc.
    The rail to trails will be under the snow by the time these tires hit Noth America
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    The rail to trails will be under the snow by the time these tires hit Noth America
    BTI shows H-Billie in stock now...
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    But no Bulldozer yet

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    TRAX FATTY! Are they in stock in the UK? omg

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    Re: Vee Rubber

    Vee have really redeemed themselves after their rough start in fatbike tires (Vee Mission) .Now they're really giving QBP a run for their money. Bulldozer looks like a legitimate trail fatbike tire.

    I wonder whats coming down the pipeline from Innova.

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    Boude, where'd you get your Traxfatty's from? Are they now available in the US?

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    Nevermind...found my Google-fu and located some dealers close by .
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    Snowshoes have stud holes! Yay! Dear Santa, for Christmas I'd like to fly over ice and not fall and slam the ice with body parts. Bulldozer looks fast on dirt with shallower knobs and those center ramps especially for the front, maybe H-billie rear for more pedaling traction? Tincup I like the vee-8 a lot on the rear for railtrails But keep Larry on the front for the dirt and no self-steer.

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    Yep, stud holes on the Snowshoe XL. I advised them to make holes in the outer row of knobs too, as that would increase ice traction for cornering and uneven ice like frozen tire ruts (and save a few additional grams).

    I got the pre studded prototype XLs just before Easter, but at that time, we still had snow, but no ice to test on, even up here in Norway.
    The side knobs are 7mm tall, so if required, a few Gripstud or Kold Kutter screw in studs can be mounted in without penetrating the casing.

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    So no info on the trax fatty?

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    Got one ride on the H-billie on the front of my Jones before I had to head out of town. Started at 14.5 psi, (tubed) then steadily lowered it, when I got home it was at 10.0 psi, not any self steer that I could feel (unless I leaned it all the way over) but so far so good. (I'm a svelte 250lbs so my pressure needs to be a bit higher).

    I can't wait to try this thing out tubeless.

    (Rim is the new Origin 8 60mm rim, 700gr and $60)

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    The h Billie and the bulldozer are in stock at Q if anyone is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    The h Billie and the bulldozer are in stock at Q if anyone is interested.
    Any idea on prices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Any idea on prices?
    Nope no clue, my lbs man called while I was on a ride and asked if I wanted a couple and I said yup and that was the end of said conversation.

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    Re: Vee Rubber

    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Any idea on prices?
    Msrp for the H Billie is $120
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    Boude, where'd you get your Traxfatty's from? Are they now available in the US?

    I have all FATBIKE (26" / 27,5"+ / 29"+) tires VEE in my shop (France)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    The h Billie and the bulldozer are in stock at Q if anyone is interested.
    Is this an online dealer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Is this an online dealer?
    No. QBP, Quality Bicycle Parts is a whole sale house for shops.

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    Anyone know who's carrying them online or where to buy them in Canada?

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    Maybe this helps?
    Seems like they are in stock.
    https://incycle.com/product-category...duct_brand=998

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    I'm not totally sure which tread is the Bulldozer yet? Every site shows different even the Vee site. I guess I should get down to my LBS and pick mine up.

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    pick some up for me too bOb.....

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    Vee Rubber

    Fatbikes.com can get most of the tires if you email them. Or lbs that is a QBP dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post
    pick some up for me too bOb.....
    No problemo but I get the 2 lightest ones

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    they have a few tires on sale at incycle site, but a lot of their tires seem priced like most others, maybe slightly cheaper.

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    Thanks guys that helps.

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    Can order through as aebike
    http://www.aebike.com/Vee-Rubber-Bul...k_p_75702.html
    QBP does not have a pic of the Bulldozer
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Can order through as aebike
    Vee Rubber Bulldozer Fat Bike Tire: 26" x 4.7" 120tpi Folding Bead Silica Compound Black - AEBike.com
    QBP does not have a pic of the Bulldozer
    I just ordered 2. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    So we are not even totally sure what they look like?
    Looks like the Snowshoe everyone is showing
    Bulldozer | VEE Tire Co.

    Looks like the Bulldozer other people show.
    Snowshoe XL | VEE Tire Co.

    And the other link above that someone else posted shows the same as vee and not the rest of the world. What the heck gives, I just need to go pick em up tomorrow.
    Guess I will be surprised. Post a pic of yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Can order through as aebike
    Vee Rubber Bulldozer Fat Bike Tire: 26" x 4.7" 120tpi Folding Bead Silica Compound Black - AEBike.com
    QBP does not have a pic of the Bulldozer
    So we are not even totally sure what they look like?
    Looks like the Snowshoe everyone is showing
    Bulldozer | VEE Tire Co.

    Looks like the Bulldozer other people show.
    Snowshoe XL | VEE Tire Co.

    And the other link above that someone else posted shows the same as vee and not the rest of the world. What the heck gives, I just need to go pick em up tomorrow.

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    Patiently awaiting delivery....

    Should be in Tuesday

    Amazon.com: VEE Rubber 26x4.25 H-Billie: Sports & Outdoors

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    Can't wait to hear some reviews.
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    1347g and 1395g mounted up tubeless very well and are a lot quieter and seem to roll better on pavement than my Ground Controls but are definitely a little smaller as well. Outside knobs are at about 111mm @15psi set up tubeless.

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    80mm rims? I can't wait.
    It doesn't matter what I ride as long as I ride it Rubber Side Down●~●.

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    That's a nice bike
    So 111 / what are the spec. GC. I know I should know that

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    80mm rims? I can't wait.
    90mm rims.
    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    That's a nice bike
    So 111 / what are the spec. GC. I know I should know that
    My GC where about 114mm on 90's between knob to knob and thanks!!

    I mainly picked these up due to my GC's wearing fairly fast on my commute to the the trail head (11 miles one way) plus the controls aren't that efficient on the road. These definitely roll better and feel more controlled leaning it over on gravel than the GC's. One thing that was a little weird and maybe they will get better is cornering on road surfaces, it was almost like it quickens the steering. It could be a touch of self steer but not sure yet I will play with the pressures but either way I will get accustomed to it and after a few days I prolly won't even notice it. I think the GC's just really handled excellent in road conditions almost as good as a Bud, not really what a fattie is designed for but I need to get to the trail somehow.

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    Are there directional arrows on that tire? The chevron pattern looks right, but shouldn't those big ramps point forward for less rolling resistance and the square side of the center knobs point to the back for more braking grip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    80mm rims? I can't wait.
    Quote Originally Posted by dudeist View Post
    Are there directional arrows on that tire? The chevron pattern looks right, but shouldn't those big ramps point forward for less rolling resistance and the square side of the center knobs point to the back for more braking grip?
    Yes there is and according to the arrow it's the way it is supposed to be, kinda why I posted that pic to get peoples thoughts on it. Maybe Shiggy will chime in.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeist View Post
    Are there directional arrows on that tire? The chevron pattern looks right, but shouldn't those big ramps point forward for less rolling resistance and the square side of the center knobs point to the back for more braking grip?
    Agree, the ramps seem backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    90mm rims.


    My GC where about 114mm on 90's between knob to knob and thanks!!

    I mainly picked these up due to my GC's wearing fairly fast on my commute to the the trail head (11 miles one way) plus the controls aren't that efficient on the road. These definitely roll better and feel more controlled leaning it over on gravel than the GC's. One thing that was a little weird and maybe they will get better is cornering on road surfaces, it was almost like it quickens the steering. It could be a touch of self steer but not sure yet I will play with the pressures but either way I will get accustomed to it and after a few days I prolly won't even notice it. I think the GC's just really handled excellent in road conditions almost as good as a Bud, not really what a fattie is designed for but I need to get to the trail somehow.
    These sound like they might be a great option for me as well. I ride a lot on roads/crushed limestone and I'm looking for something with a bit less resistance then the GC's. I would love to get your thoughts on them with even more time with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have yet to see any new tire delivered anywhere close to the promise date. Vee Rubber claimed a 6 week lead time from mold approval to shipping for the Floater. Took more than 6 months.
    Wow how can companies work like that?

    What do you think Shiggy should I reverse the direction of the front tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    That's what they told me 30 days ago. Ahh life in the fat world.
    I have yet to see any new tire delivered anywhere close to the promise date. Vee Rubber claimed a 6 week lead time from mold approval to shipping for the Floater. Took more than 6 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Wow how can companies work like that?

    What do you think Shiggy should I reverse the direction of the front tire?
    That is the way EVERY tire company seems to operate.

    I rarely use reversed directions f/r. The replies to this thread have become so jumbled I do not know what tire you mean. In any case, try it both ways and see what works better for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post

    I rarely use reversed directions f/r. The replies to this thread have become so jumbled I do not know what tire you mean. In any case, try it both ways and see what works better for you.
    This is mounted the direction the arrow shows, the chevrons seem correct but the ramps are backwards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    This is mounted the direction the arrow shows, the chevrons seem correct but the ramps are backwards?
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    There is more than the ramps that look odd to me. A conflicting tread design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    There is more than the ramps that look odd to me. A conflicting tread design.
    Care to elaborate? Would be interested in learning something about tread design

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    My direction arrow on my H-billie seemed backwards as well compared to the ramps of the knobs. So I mounted it in the direction of the ramps. Seems to be quite and it bites really well.
    You know with the Billie mounted on my 60mm rim the tire's bite changes when I really lean it over as well, almost like self steer as well, but I really have to lean it over to get it to grab like that (like a few inches from pedal strike)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ionofchios View Post
    Care to elaborate? Would be interested in learning something about tread design
    It would be a book. The transition knobs match the ramps.
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    I'm wondering about the bulldozer primarily for snow use. I think the size will work on my Norco Bigfoot if it's slightly smaller than the ground control, and the price is reasonable. I'm hoping the strange design elements don't mean much in soft snow. As long as they have more grip and float than the Mission, and weigh less than a boat anchor, they should be a big improvement.
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    Any word when the studded version of the Snowshoe will be available?

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    Vee Rubber

    I am really hoping for a studded vee tire. The price to convert say a nate is way to much money. The dillenger needs a competitor. It would be awesome if nokian jumped in. There studded vehicle tires have saved my life and families more than once.

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    The new Billie is in, and isn't appreciably larger than the Nate or the Mission it replaces.
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    I tend to agree with the Skipper that the arrow indicates directional travel counter to the way the tire 'ramps up'
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    So I mounted the tire 'backwards'.
    I did a quick ride around the block at 15 PSI to seat everything, and started dropping the PSI. I got to 11 before any noticable 'self-steer' started. Even then, the Billie has it hands down over the Mission it replaces, and doesn't attempt to drag the bars out of your hands while riding off camber.
    I also like the way the new Billie fills the gap in the fork, and appears more aggressive than the Mission.
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    Now all I need is a little time to give it a proper test run.

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    According to the company last winter, there is supposed to be a studded V tire this winter. Time will tell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boude View Post
    Weight in my shop this day :
    > BULLDOZER 26x4,70 120TPI = 1299grs
    > SNOWSHOE XL 26x4,80 120TPI = 1534grs


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    These pics a reminder who's who. Thanks to boude. I e-mailed AEBike.com and they said they just used pictures that Vee sent. Good price discount there. I still think the Bulldozer will work for me- shallow, ramped knobs good for front but taller side knobs for cornering. I think the ramps should point forward on the front for less resistance rolling forward and more braking grip. On the rear maybe forward traction is more important than brake grip. I don't think the "chevron" direction is as important, but that's just my intuition. On the wait list for studded snowshoes- they should be a health insurance premium deduction.

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    Quality company that can't even get the tires right on their own website!!

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    did the h-billie replace the original snowshoe? it looks the same as the snowshoe on the front of my bike. probably swap it to the rear and put an XL on the front this winter.

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    So is Bulldozer going to fit a Pugsley when mounted on a Marge rim (Currently Large Marge XC)?

    I would like a little more volume for winter without needing to buy a new bike.

    Craig

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    I think so Kidd, I think they are using the same carcass and just changed the tread pattern some. (I think it's even using the silicon compound as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBBaron View Post
    So is Bulldozer going to fit a Pugsley when mounted on a Marge rim (Currently Large Marge XC)?

    I would like a little more volume for winter without needing to buy a new bike.

    Craig
    Don't know for sure but I did try a Ground Control on my wifes Pugs (back) on RD's and no go. The bulldozers are a few mm narrower plus on 65's, maybe? That's all I got good luck!!

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    As the the old snowshoe, should have finished the sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by switchie View Post
    The new Billie is in, and isn't appreciably larger than the Nate or the Mission it replaces.
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    So I mounted the tire 'backwards'.
    I did a quick ride around the block at 15 PSI to seat everything, and started dropping the PSI. I got to 11 before any noticable 'self-steer' started. Even then, the Billie has it hands down over the Mission it replaces, and doesn't attempt to drag the bars out of your hands while riding off camber.
    I also like the way the new Billie fills the gap in the fork, and appears more aggressive than the Mission.
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    Now all I need is a little time to give it a proper test run.
    The tread wrap on these are very, very poor.

    One of the reasons Nate grips like mad in the slick is because of the tread width. It makes for better off-camber and cornering grip, but it also helps with forward motion once you drop the PSI and all the knobs are making contact.

    They needed to add another row of shoulder knobs, or space the tread out more. Big bummer. Hopefully their other tires aren't also a narrow little strip of tread on a huge casing like the snowshoe/h Billie.
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    That's not really a fair assessment there. I wouldn't be comparing the Nate to the Billie, that's kind of like saying a Minion has more traction than a Icon, true but it's not the same application. The Nate is the most aggressive tire in that size currently, and in my case it would be too much tire for my trails. I think the billie/dozer is more along the lines of the knard/larry kind of tread. Perfect for shuttling to the trails and works well on my 60mm rim.
    The other great thing about these Vee tires is that QBP has lowered the prices on their tires across the board...

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldskipper View Post
    That's not really a fair assessment there. I wouldn't be comparing the Nate to the Billie, that's kind of like saying a Minion has more traction than a Icon, true but it's not the same application. The Nate is the most aggressive tire in that size currently, and in my case it would be too much tire for my trails. I think the billie/dozer is more along the lines of the knard/larry kind of tread. Perfect for shuttling to the trails and works well on my 60mm rim.
    The other great thing about these Vee tires is that QBP has lowered the prices on their tires across the board...
    It's not the aggressiveness of the tread, it's the wrap, or lack thereof. Both Larry and Knard have great tread wrap. These seem like great tires otherwise. Silica compound is a great idea for winter. Just that one glaring design flaw will prevent me from buying.

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    I just took my Bulldozers of. Even though they seemed to perform great my OCD was going nuts just looking at the front tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I just took my Bulldozers of. Even though they seemed to perform great my OCD was going nuts just looking at the front tire.
    My OCD is going nuts looking at your typo, Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    80mm rims? I can't wait.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    My OCD is going nuts looking at your typo, Bob.
    Sorry I should really wear my glasses, old eyes suck!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Sorry I should really wear my glasses, old eyes suck!!
    Hey leave me you of this. My Bulldozers are somewhere between here and Michigan.
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