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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    That looks incredible, Bob. What's the geo of the frame, particularly HTA & CS length?
    Thanks!! The Head tube is at 69.8 with a 468mm c-r and including th 15mm stack height of the lower headset. So with the Bluto at 100mm should be right around 68.8 with sag. I was going to lower the Bluto to 80mm to keep the angle right at the 69.8 but I am really liking where it is at now. The cs length is set at 17.5" but can be moved back to around 18.2 if I choose to for winter. I really wanted to keep it versatile and I really like a little longer cs when I get in snow but so far I am digging the 17.5 on the hard pack.
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    After getting some good quality snow time set up rigid I am really enjoying the shorter stays and the handling. Also the Light Bike 90's have been holding tubeless great down to 3 ps1. Liking the Ground Controls as well, not quit the kung fu grip of the Lou but they spin up a lot easier.
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    Yea baby. Fug that's a hot bike.

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    Looks great Bob. Nice to hear you have some proper snow. What are the chain-stays at the shortest?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    After getting some good quality snow time set up rigid I am really enjoying the shorter stays and the handling. Also the Light Bike 90's have been holding tubeless great down to 3 ps1. Liking the Ground Controls as well, not quit the kung fu grip of the Lou but they spin up a lot easier.
    Lucky neighbor of Maryland's Patapsco Valley State Park, 39.23,-76.76

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoo View Post
    Looks great Bob. Nice to hear you have some proper snow. What are the chain-stays at the shortest?
    Thanks Steven and frozenmonkey!!

    The shortest is only at a smidge under 17.5" which isn't super short but it seams to be a ok, wish I could go shorter just to experiment but I can't, oh well.
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    Gorgeous bike! I live about 30 minutes from Twenty2 Cycles and dream of owning one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Thanks Steven and frozenmonkey!!

    The shortest is only at a smidge under 17.5" which isn't super short but it seams to be a ok, wish I could go shorter just to experiment but I can't, oh well.
    With your 68.8* HTA...looks like you were headed into Mikesees geo conclusions before he posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post
    With your 68.8* HTA...looks like you were headed into Mikesees geo conclusions before he posted!
    Yeah kinda but I think his idea of short is shorter yet but I'm happy with what I ended up with. That being said I get more traction than my legs can tackle right now as it is, need to drop back down to a 26t or 28t for winter.
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    Thats about what I am running, mine is 442mm. I think I will go 4 to 6mm longer next time if I don't go adjustable. I ran Lou on a UMA 90mm with a tube and it was close. Bud was almost too tall to run at all on the rear. I run all of my other tire tubeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Thanks Steven and frozenmonkey!!

    The shortest is only at a smidge under 17.5" which isn't super short but it seams to be a ok, wish I could go shorter just to experiment but I can't, oh well.
    Lucky neighbor of Maryland's Patapsco Valley State Park, 39.23,-76.76

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoo View Post
    Thats about what I am running, mine is 442mm. I think I will go 4 to 6mm longer next time if I don't go adjustable. I ran Lou on a UMA 90mm with a tube and it was close. Bud was almost too tall to run at all on the rear. I run all of my other tire tubeless.
    That is the main reason I went adjustable, I haven't tried it yet but it was not made to fit bud or lou at 446mm but it might fit.. I didn't want any stays to be flattened, kinked, or dented and yet I wanted to fit at least a 32t chainring. I think in the long run it also made the frame a little stiffer than some ti by keeping the rear tubing in more of it's original round shape.
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    Makes good sense. I have often wondered if major manipulation of the tubes results in lost stiffness.

    When I had mine 1st bike built I never planned to run Bud and Lou on it. My original plan was to have two bike's. I felt I would be better served with one bike designed around 4" tires and one bike designed around 5" tires, one light cross country bike for year round riding, 170mm rear and narrow Q and one wide high flotation bike for the use with Bud and Lou. There was no GC tire then. Long story short there was a mistake made and my light bike ended up with more tire clearance than planned. I am kinda in a quandary right now, neither bike is ideal for it's intended purpose. Part of the problem is liking the big tires more than expected.


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    That is the main reason I went adjustable, I haven't tried it yet but it was not made to fit bud or lou at 446mm but it might fit.. I didn't want any stays to be flattened, kinked, or dented and yet I wanted to fit at least a 32t chainring. I think in the long run it also made the frame a little stiffer than some ti by keeping the rear tubing in more of it's original round shape.
    Lucky neighbor of Maryland's Patapsco Valley State Park, 39.23,-76.76

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