Trek Fat bike

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  • 07-17-2013
    Shark
    I sure hope that wasn't a dedicated MTB trail....local trail builders are cringing when they see that.

    Now if that is just some non-maintained trail in the woods then have fun :)
  • 07-17-2013
    wadester
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bhc View Post
    Trek has a name for their fat bike. The Farley.

    Would that be Charles Ulmer Farley?
  • 07-17-2013
    duggus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Would that be Charles Ulmer Farley?

    Chris Farley??? :)

    <img src="http://www.rutlandcycling.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2014-Trek-Farley-Fat-Bike-Rutland-Cycling-e1374073609485.jpg"><img src="http://engscholar24.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/chris-farley-tommy-boy.jpg?w=269">
  • 07-17-2013
    shanesbw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Many other tyres have special sidewalls, triple compounds, puncture protection.... blah blah blah. Fatbike tyres are basically rubber bags with knobs attached, ive spiked a HuDu twice and a Bud once, the HuDus are the worst wearing tyres ive ever owned. Ive had 5 different fat tyres now and yet to see anything special apart from the price.

    Is anyone really going to stick up for the $150-$200 price tag of these ???

    Yeah were a bit off topic but at least its something constructive rather than 90% of the other repeated topics on here lately.

    Hey Ozzy, get some On-One Floaters from the UK. I got mine at $65 each and free shipping. Awesome tyres and fantastic pricing :)
  • 07-17-2013
    SmooveP
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Would that be Charles Ulmer Farley?

    Or this guy?
    Richard Farley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • 07-17-2013
    masterofnone
    In the northeast it varies from year to year, but more often than not we'll get a few weeks of peanut butter mud after the snowmelt. I realized a few years ago that the "skinny tires are better in mud" is a load of crap. The only things better than a fatbike in mud have a motor attached. :)
  • 07-17-2013
    bighit
    I think that will replace my moonlander, not said ever by any moonlander owner.
  • 07-17-2013
    BurkeVT
    Trek Fat bike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jaredbe View Post
    If I had a Farley the first thing I would do is put it in my van and go for a ride down by the river.

    Brilliant
  • 07-17-2013
    ozzybmx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shanesbw View Post
    Hey Ozzy, get some On-One Floaters from the UK. I got mine at $65 each and free shipping. Awesome tyres and fantastic pricing :)

    Ive got a little stock pile of hudu's here... hoping for a 4" hans dampf triple nano snakeskin by the time I go through them :lol:
  • 07-17-2013
    Drevil
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    I sure hope that wasn't a dedicated MTB trail....local trail builders are cringing when they see that.

    Now if that is just some non-maintained trail in the woods then have fun :)

    Pretty sure it isn't a dedicated mtb trail. We're uber conscientious about not riding muddy MTB trails and help out a lot during trailwork days...
  • 07-17-2013
    Shark
    Glad to hear it :)
  • 07-18-2013
    TrailMaker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Pretty sure it isn't a dedicated mtb trail. We're uber conscientious about not riding muddy MTB trails and help out a lot during trailwork days...

    I've been doing my part too;

    We've had so much flippin rain around here... I'm riding through all the mud holes and leveling out the ruts left by the skinny tire crowd.
  • 07-18-2013
    vaultbrad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    I've been doing my part too;

    We've had so much flippin rain around here... I'm riding through all the mud holes and leveling out the ruts left by the skinny tire crowd.

    I've done this. Works pretty well on some of our trails with certain types of mud. ::thumbsup::
  • 07-18-2013
    GTR-33
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    You are paying for low volume sales. .

    Basically. Despite the thought that making a wider tire is as easy as molding a new wider tire, companies still have to pay to retool their machines to make this new tire. It's not free. You also are paying extra for the time the machines are using to make the tire vs making something else more profitable.
  • 07-18-2013
    SmooveP
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    Basically. Despite the thought that making a wider tire is as easy as molding a new wider tire, companies still have to pay to retool their machines to make this new tire. It's not free. You also are paying extra for the time the machines are using to make the tire vs making something else more profitable.

    From what I've read, the tire molding process is somewhat primitive. It's not that easy to get the casing, bead and rubber to go where it needs to be. The margin for error is pretty slim when you're pushing the envelope on the sidewall thickness. This is why we see threads showing on the sidewalls and wide variations in tire weight, even for tires from the same run. This is less of a problem with car and motorcycle tires because customers aren't typically as concerned about the tires' weight as we cyclists are. I suspect that there could be a fairly high percentage of rejects, especially on the lighter versions, which contributes to the cost.
  • 07-18-2013
    GT_guy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    From what I've read, the tire molding process is somewhat primitive.

    Take a look at this video of the tire manufacturing process. It looks pretty high tech to me.
    It's also easy to see why the cost of set up and tooling makes an order of say 10k tires cost a lot more per tire than 100k tires.
    By expanding the fat bike market overall, that's where the process begins to scale and costs should come down.
  • 07-18-2013
    SmooveP
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GT_guy View Post
    Take a look at this video of the tire manufacturing process. It looks pretty high tech to me.
    It's also easy to see why the cost of set up and tooling makes an order of say 10k tires cost a lot more per tire than 100k tires.
    By expanding the fat bike market overall, that's where the process begins to scale and costs should come down.

    Yep, I've seen that one and a few others. There's one from Continental showing a guy throwing handfuls of various additives into the rubber mix like a chef who refuses to use a measuring device. Not seeing much in the way of computer controlled machinery or robotics. There seems to be quite a bit of human intervention. They all seem to get down to a guy laying up the tire by hand on a "barrel". How else do you explain the variations in weight, bead fit, roundness, etc., even within the same brand/model?

    As a guy who makes stuff (furniture & cabinetry) and occasionally has to defend his pricing, I hate seeing the accusations of price gouging without any evidence to back it up. I don't mind paying more for the one component that makes a fatbike fat.
  • 07-18-2013
    tigris99
    Re: Trek Fat bike
    Personally I'm rather happy to see this, choices for fat bikes are rapidly increasing. But I do wonder if 3.8 tires being the biggest under this frame would my clyde status make a huge difference how it rides in the sand,mud, snow. I like trek (biased do to my Trek shop here has been insanely good to me) so this moves to top couple of fat bikes choices for next spring.

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  • 07-18-2013
    Shark
    That video is pretty cool. Far from primitive!
  • 07-18-2013
    DukeNeverwinter
    Re: Trek Fat bike
    Trek Farley is official....complete bike and frameset, early october. No pricing yet
  • 07-18-2013
    DukeNeverwinter
    Re: Trek Fat bike
    Alu frame, Alu fork. 170mm rear hub, 135mm front hub
  • 07-18-2013
    lancelot
    170 hub? How retro of them.........haha.
  • 07-18-2013
    Jayem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    170 hub? How retro of them.........haha.

    two rings up front is just too much complication you don't need with a snow-bike.
  • 07-19-2013
    autodoctor911
    I think the OnOne Floater is pretty good proof that the Surly tire prices aren't based purely on cost of production for low volume runs. Any one of the Surly tires has probably been produced in production runs bigger than the Floater. And from what I can tell the quality of the Floaters has been excellent. they might weigh a bit more than a couple of the high dollar QBP tires, but IMO that extra weight is well used to make the tire more durable, while still being quite flexible. I know the Mission and Devist8er aren't very well liked, but their quality seems to be pretty good, and the reasons they aren't well received are due to weight and tread pattern. The 60tpi casing is a bit cheaper, but most of the weight was due to the thick rubber, and kevlar reinforcements, which aren't things that make them cheaper to make. I think VeeRubber didn't quite hit the mark with the first two designs, but the Floater, and vee8 are going to be replacing a lot of more expensive Surly tires now.

    I don't think specialized is going to offer their Fat tires for real cheap, but I'm pretty sure they will be less than the 45NrTH, and high end Surly stuff. I remember getting a Specialized 26x2.5" when that was the only tire that wide available back in 1992 or so. I was so stoked to get a tire that big, and it barely cleared my rigid fork on my 1989 GT Avalanche. I'm pretty sure they only made a small run of those, and it wasn't that expensive.
    I'm not sure how big the fat bike market is going to get now, but even if the expansion isn't tremendous, having more players, big or small will bring prices down for a lot of things. It happens in every young product market, so I don't see why it wouldn't here. I definitely don't count on Specialized or Trek being any less greedy than QBP, in fact I am counting on their greediness. That's the only reason they would be making the stuff available at all. The prices will be what they will be based on competition and demand. If the big companies jump in and make a bunch of stuff, then the market ends up not being there, then there will be lots of cheap stuff available for a while.
  • 07-19-2013
    Psf
    Any idea/guesses on price?