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    https://fat-bike.com/2018/09/product...-26x5-0-tires/

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    Weight Ė 1820g, 1802g

    Flat Bead to Bead Ė 266mm

    Flat Tread to Tread Ė 147mm

    Mounted to HED 100mm rims at 10psi

    Casing Ė 123.43mm

    Tread Ė 122.41mm

    Overall Height Ė 30.1996 inches

    Overall Front Wheel Weight Ė 2930g

    Tread Depth

    Outer Shoulder Knobs Ė 6.6mm

    Middle Knobs Ė 6.25mm

    Center Knobs Ė 5mm

    The Johnny 5ís are 1.4mm wider and .1429 of an inch shorter than the Lou.
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    Comparing their weights to the 1563g/1508g Surly Bud/Lou the J5ís are quite a bit heavier. https://fat-bike.com/2012/01/tire-we...for-fat-bikes/

    What I found on the Veetire site and if Iím reading it correctly, the cream PSC tire is 1740g. If that is accurate than the J5ís are even more similar to a front end loader tire than the heavy, slow rolling 2XL. What is the point of the J5ís? The 2XL appears to be lighter and it is much certainly wider and taller and offers much better float.
    https://www.veetireco.com/listings/f...-snowshoe-2xl/

    Itís such a shame that developing and manufacturing rubber tires is so difficult like rocket science or brain surgery. Just think, maybe sometime like 50 years into the future we could have some company in Asia just build a bigger version of a Surly Lou or Jumbo Jim. A tire with large volume and a thin case that doesnít use heavy equipment tire technology like the 2XL and the J5ís. But alas, one can only dream. Rubber tire technology is just too much like alchemy and unless the proper number of goats are sacrificed on the 3rd full moon, coinciding with the highest red tide during the year of the chicken, fat bike float progression is stalled out for the foreseeable future.

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    It might be simple.
    Drop the font rubber.
    Just attach a 7 in wide ski at the fork.
    A heavy rider would float.
    A light rider like me would use it to open some trails after a snow fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfat View Post
    Comparing their weights to the 1563g/1508g Surly Bud/Lou the J5ís are quite a bit heavier. https://fat-bike.com/2012/01/tire-we...for-fat-bikes/

    What I found on the Veetire site and if Iím reading it correctly, the cream PSC tire is 1740g. If that is accurate than the J5ís are even more similar to a front end loader tire than the heavy, slow rolling 2XL. What is the point of the J5ís? The 2XL appears to be lighter and it is much certainly wider and taller and offers much better float.
    https://www.veetireco.com/listings/f...-snowshoe-2xl/
    I ordered a pair of 2XLs during Vee's recent sale and they both measure an identical 1906g. So, there's obviously quite a bit of variability in the weight of these big tires, and the website's listing is on the low side. Being substantially bigger than the competition (and with the noted 2-ply casing and large lugs) the higher actual weight isn't too surprising...

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    Thus, after all these new tires over the last few years, Bud and Lou still reign supreme for soft snow. Add some grip studs and you have great performance in deep snow and glare ice.

    All hail Bud and Lou!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    Thus, after all these new tires over the last few years, Bud and Lou still reign supreme for soft snow. Add some grip studs and you have great performance in deep snow and glare ice.

    All hail Bud and Lou!
    For sure.
    It is funny we read that this or that tire is great in winter.
    The reason riders like them a lot is because they tried riding in the snow with summer tires.
    I only have 2 years of fat/mountainbiking but i climb where others are limited by their tires.
    A rider i know sold his fat that had Bud/Lou, he just had to buy another pair after trying a different brand.

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    Yes, after all these years, I'm somewhat surprised Bud & Lou have not been dethroned as the best all around soft/unpacked snow tire.

    Will once again be swapping out the Jumbo Jim 4.8 tires for Bud & Lou this winter. I run them tubeless on Mulefut rims. Even though they lack stud pockets, I feel no motivation whatsoever to replace them with the (reportedly) heavy Johnny 5s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33red View Post
    For sure.
    It is funny we read that this or that tire is great in winter.
    The reason riders like them a lot is because they tried riding in the snow with summer tires.
    I only have 2 years of fat/mountainbiking but i climb where others are limited by their tires.
    A rider i know sold his fat that had Bud/Lou, he just had to buy another pair after trying a different brand.
    Bud and Lou still are fantastic! The only tire I feel comes close in terms of traction(apart from possibly VEE 2XL which I have never tried) is the Bontrager Gnarwhal 27.5 x 4.5. Better on ice because of studs but just(and I mean just) slightly inferior in deeper snow.

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    I just like to ride often, the 4.8 on 90 mm floats, the grippy Bud/Lou loves snow, with screw in studs i ride alone in confidence at minus 35. It might look expensive but hitting a tree is not on my top list. They last for seasons.

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    Terrene Johnny 5-13350493-4149-4ad5-896a-a334608af556.jpg
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    Curiosity got the best of me so I weighed one of my 2XLís on a scale we use at work. I zeroíd the scale out before weighing and was surprised to see how much heavier my tire was than their stated weight, 4.5 lbs or 2040 grams. No wonder they are so fricking slow.

    Last winter I went to Anchorage for a few days and had switched out to my grip studded bud/Lou as I figured I wouldnít need much if any floation on their trails. They were way faster and easier to pedal than the heavy ass and stiff 2XLís. I run 4.8 JJís in the summer and they are a dream to pedal but I didnít like them in snow as I put them on early this past spring and they donít provide much traction in mashed potato conditions.

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    My world just needs these to ship in time to have them prepped for the first snow...

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    Both this thread and the 2XL thread often leave me wondering how people are using these big tires. I have two fatties, one normal and the other thatís made to handle these humongous heavy tires on 100MM wide rims. Yes the big bike is considerably slow, but Iíve put it to use in deep sand and deep snow that has not been touched. Keeps me riding in conditions a normal fat bike will not handle. One canít expect these to go fast, but being the guy that can actually groom a trail with little hike a bike activity is fantastic. The alternative is to use my normal bike and walk frequenty. Since the 2XL doesnít have stud pockets those riding like I do that need studs may find this new tire fantastic. For others using rims under 100MM looking for lightweight and speed Iím thinking most already have what they need. To me the bottom line on the 5.0+ tires is sacrificing speed for the sake of not having to get off and push. Thatís been my experience for two years now on these 2XL Ďs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Balogh View Post
    Both this thread and the 2XL thread often leave me wondering how people are using these big tires. I have two fatties, one normal and the other thatís made to handle these humongous heavy tires on 100MM wide rims. Yes the big bike is considerably slow, but Iíve put it to use in deep sand and deep snow that has not been touched. Keeps me riding in conditions a normal fat bike will not handle. One canít expect these to go fast, but being the guy that can actually groom a trail with little hike a bike activity is fantastic. The alternative is to use my normal bike and walk frequenty. Since the 2XL doesnít have stud pockets those riding like I do that need studs may find this new tire fantastic. For others using rims under 100MM looking for lightweight and speed Iím thinking most already have what they need. To me the bottom line on the 5.0+ tires is sacrificing speed for the sake of not having to get off and push. Thatís been my experience for two years now on these 2XL Ďs.
    A rider who is allways on a fat, i mean year round wrote that the 27.5 are slow to accelerate compared to the 26. Like you mention different tires have different qualities and depending of our weight, where we ride, what we enjoy we try to select a pair that is a good match. Like you in a year or 2 if i have room for them i might have a huge fat to pedal instead of putting on my snowshoes. I will be retired and out there everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comfisherman View Post
    My world just needs these to ship in time to have them prepped for the first snow...
    First snow? Already happened! But not enough to need 5" tires yet So I survived with the 4.0" Jumbo Jims I use for commuting and getting coffee Terrene Johnny 5-img_4832.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanmoreBruce View Post
    First snow? Already happened! [/ATTACH]
    i am both excited, and sad at the same time... :P

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    Hmm.. from
    https://fat-bike.com/2018/09/product...-26x5-0-tires/

    ''.....developing to give Ďthe Surlyí Bud & Lou a run for their money as far as holding the title as the biggest and most aggressive fat-bike tires available (in the WORLD!) This new tire would be nothing short of World Fat-Bike Tire Domination according to Tim.''


    But... back in 2016 on the same website:
    https://fat-bike.com/2016/01/vee-tir...idterm-report/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Balogh View Post
    Both this thread and the 2XL thread often leave me wondering how people are using these big tires. I have two fatties, one normal and the other thatís made to handle these humongous heavy tires on 100MM wide rims. Yes the big bike is considerably slow, but Iíve put it to use in deep sand and deep snow that has not been touched. Keeps me riding in conditions a normal fat bike will not handle. One canít expect these to go fast, but being the guy that can actually groom a trail with little hike a bike activity is fantastic. The alternative is to use my normal bike and walk frequenty. Since the 2XL doesnít have stud pockets those riding like I do that need studs may find this new tire fantastic. For others using rims under 100MM looking for lightweight and speed Iím thinking most already have what they need. To me the bottom line on the 5.0+ tires is sacrificing speed for the sake of not having to get off and push. Thatís been my experience for two years now on these 2XL Ďs.
    Actually, I very much share your targeted use for these big tires. I've got a three-season carbon fatbike with Jumbo Jims on 65mm rims, and I just completed an RSD Mayor build with the express purpose of maximizing my winter fun on 100mm/2XLs. I also have a pair of grip studded Bud & Lou's ready if it gets icy, though. Walking is great fun, just not when I'm riding my bikes! I live in New Jersey now, but I'm originally from Michigan (your neck of the woods?) and will be driving out to visit family for the holidays, so I plan to bring the Mayor along with the hope of finding some white stuff to ride in.

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    Yes, SE Michigan. Occasionally get up north once in a while too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Hmm.. from
    https://fat-bike.com/2018/09/product...-26x5-0-tires/

    ''.....developing to give Ďthe Surlyí Bud & Lou a run for their money as far as holding the title as the biggest and most aggressive fat-bike tires available (in the WORLD!) This new tire would be nothing short of World Fat-Bike Tire Domination according to Tim.''


    But... back in 2016 on the same website:
    https://fat-bike.com/2016/01/vee-tir...idterm-report/
    Thanks for the links, those photos show beyond any doubt that the J5 is a 4.8Ē size tire and not a viable replacement for the 2XL. Thatís unfortunate, hopefully something lighter in the 5+ size will come out at some point. Iím glad I didnít order them sight unseen as Iíd have been greatly disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfat View Post
    Thanks for the links, those photos show beyond any doubt that the J5 is a 4.8Ē size tire and not a viable replacement for the 2XL. Thatís unfortunate, hopefully something lighter in the 5+ size will come out at some point. Iím glad I didnít order them sight unseen as Iíd have been greatly disappointed.

    It's almost, kinda, sorta like you're disappointed because your expectations were based on incorrect assumptions.

    Which is definitely Terrene's fault -- and may they hang for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    It's almost, kinda, sorta like you're disappointed because your expectations were based on incorrect assumptions.

    Which is definitely Terrene's fault -- and may they hang for it...
    It could have been 4.99999" and we still would have heard "but it's not 5..."

    And how do we know how wide it is? Measurements, not a picture.

    Terrene should change the name. How about "Johnny 5 (ish)"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    It could have been 4.99999" and we still would have heard "but it's not 5..."

    And how do we know how wide it is? Measurements, not a picture.

    Terrene should change the name. How about "Johnny 5 (ish)"?

    My point is that (s)he, like others in this thread, assumed that Terrene was bringing a 2XL competitor to market. I have yet to find where Terrene ever stated anything other than that they were targeting Bud/Lou.

    And, that said, the measurements we have thus far appear to be from unridden and unstretched tires. We don't yet know that they're sub-5", yet many here have lost their minds and cashed in their chips even though the season hasn't yet begun. Cray cray.

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    How many photos does one need to view to see they arenít even close to being 5Ē wide?

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    The article you got that picture from measured them at a fairly low pressure to be 4.86" wide. By most accounts that would be pretty close to 5" especially since, as has been pointed out several times, they will stretch with use. Although I suspect that tires this heavy might not stretch much, then again 3% would do it..
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    They can be honest.
    They can write in HUGE LETTERS, do not order if your fork and frame cannot take a real 5 in tire on Xmm rim.
    Until then they have that non honest sent.

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    Will this tire fit my bike....which has blue grips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Will this tire fit my bike....which has blue grips?

    You're hosed. Plus only toolbags use blue grips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You're hosed. Plus only toolbags use blue grips.
    That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all week.
    PS....blue grips are SOOOOOOOO enduro, bro.
    Don't you even enduro?

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    1800 without spikes? =(((

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    please bicker elsewhere.

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    So, the fat bike market is dwindling, but a company is still willing to invest the time and resources to create a new product(which doesn't have a single real world review yet), and all people wanna do is beat the product and company down for theoretically not delivering their magical, unicorn tire? SMDH. Ya'll a tough crowd.

    It's not easy to make a true 6" tire that only weighs 1000 grams, fits every fat bike ever made, could run over a bed of nails and not flat, has the rolling resistance of a 700x23 at 120 psi, and will last 10-20 years of daily use.

    "Malfunction. Need input!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mccartney7499 View Post
    So, the fat bike market is dwindling, but a company is still willing to invest the time and resources to create a new product(which doesn't have a single real world review yet), and all people wanna do is beat the product and company down for theoretically not delivering their magical, unicorn tire? SMDH. Ya'll a tough crowd.

    It's not easy to make a true 6" tire that only weighs 1000 grams, fits every fat bike ever made, could run over a bed of nails and not flat, has the rolling resistance of a 700x23 at 120 psi, and will last 10-20 years of daily use.

    "Malfunction. Need input!"
    Make it tubeless and $50 and SOLD!
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mccartney7499 View Post
    So, the fat bike market is dwindling, but a company is still willing to invest the time and resources to create a new product(which doesn't have a single real world review yet), and all people wanna do is beat the product and company down for theoretically not delivering their magical, unicorn tire? SMDH. Ya'll a tough crowd.

    It's not easy to make a true 6" tire that only weighs 1000 grams, fits every fat bike ever made, could run over a bed of nails and not flat, has the rolling resistance of a 700x23 at 120 psi, and will last 10-20 years of daily use.

    "Malfunction. Need input!"

    Plus studs. And reflective sidewalls. And a pony.

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    Nice with added options in a tire market that has been sorta stagnant lately.
    Plus, these are the biggest fatbike tires ever, according to the fat-bike.com article/test, so that is cool.

    Edit: Just noticed ''ultralight casing'' on the sidewall.
    That is great news, since even if the total weight of the tire is rather high, a lot of that weight is likely in the knobs, where the weight will do much less damage to rolling/grip/flotation performance (in soft to medium conditions) than if the same weight/amount of rubber has been applied to make a stiff and heavy casing instead.
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    Mike..... dont settle for the reflective sidewalls and a pony. Hold out for glow in the dark and a unicorn.

    Espen, this is a serious question regarding tread block design. Why do bike tire manufacturers (especially it seems terrene) go for such large tread blocks so close together. I get that some blocks have stud pockets and others are siped. But it seems that for what the human body can produce in torque we have more rubber than is necessary.

    Take the bud Lou combo, they have much thinner tread blocks but few people complain about blowing tread off of them. In other tire/track related hobbies tread depth and thickness are determined by power. These appear to be capable of absorbing Lance Armstrong power at the height of his doping, while on a hacked e scooter bike.

    With all that said, still looking forward to them showing up in the mail some time in October. Going to need to buy more studs since these have a few more pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You're hosed. Plus only toolbags use blue grips.
    Sure would have been helpful to have that in a sticky somewhere so I didn't make that mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    No. It's a startup company owned by 2 guys not associated with WTB.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    I can't imagine two guys in a garage making their own tire molds and compounds. There is some contract tire manufacturer doing the actual tire making and it's not the two guys who started the company.
    Quote Originally Posted by alias View Post
    Sorry man but there is no way WTB is big enough to have their own tire factory. Perhaps Terrene has some help from an ex WTB guy or something, but your statement is wrong.
    WTB's high-end TCS tires are made by Innova, so WTB isn't exactly making them, but perhaps they're sharing some development work.

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    J5 1900gr~4.8 VS 1500gr45nrth wratchild~4.4...hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadness View Post
    J5 1900gr~4.8 VS 1500gr45nrth wratchild~4.4...hmm
    so the sake of accuracy, the Wrathchild 4.6 is 1420 grams without studs, 1500 w/ standard (not XL) concave studs. They are in fact 4.461" wide, measured on a 80mm rim.

    I still want to see the J5 in person. Terrene has some decent compounds, so we shall see what people's impressions are once they are out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comfisherman View Post
    Mike..... dont settle for the reflective sidewalls and a pony. Hold out for glow in the dark and a unicorn.

    Espen, this is a serious question regarding tread block design. Why do bike tire manufacturers (especially it seems terrene) go for such large tread blocks so close together. I get that some blocks have stud pockets and others are siped. But it seems that for what the human body can produce in torque we have more rubber than is necessary.

    Take the bud Lou combo, they have much thinner tread blocks but few people complain about blowing tread off of them.
    Studs require a solid foundation for them to work efficiently.
    The knob must be stiff enough to drive the stud into the ice at the correct angle, under drive/braking forces.
    A thin and tall knob will deflect and not let the stud do its job.
    My 2XL prototypes were studded, and the studs barely work, in addition to stud bases poking out throug the sides of many of the knobs, so I recommended that Vee went unstudded for production.

    Terrene likely wanted a firm foundation for the knobs, in addition to a paddle like knob shape for drive and braking traction in powder. That means meaty and heavy knobs, but as mentioned, if the side walls are thin, the tire will likely be much better/faster in soft/medium condition snow than a similar weight tire with thick sidewalls.
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    Espen, blast you and your logical reasoning! Grrrraaaaarrrrgggh

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    What do you think? Jonny5 fit specialized fatboy carbon frame on 85mm Hed Big Deal? I think they would be~120mm at 85?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadness View Post
    What do you think? Jonny5 fit specialized fatboy carbon frame on 85mm Hed Big Deal? I think they would be~120mm at 85?
    iirc, fatboys can fit bud/lou, so i don't see why the j5 won't fit.

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