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    not saying smaller, just taller. surly is wrong. bunch a wake n bakers over there.

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    Re: Surly ICT thread

    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    not saying smaller, just taller.
    Umm, what?

    You know what... never mind. I'm good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    This thread is about a bud on a 100.
    Thread derailed really.

    This issue is way over there.

    ICT/Bluto Compatibility?

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    I'd like a bashring for my ICT.
    the 94bcd OD cranks have the 5th chainring bolt in the back of the crank arm preventing all of the bashrings I've found from fitting.

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    How are you all liking your ICT's? I'm ready to pull the trigger on one next week so just looking for some feedback...What did you all pay?
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    I'm 6'1 would L or XL be best? they don't have any in the shop. 34 inseam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan1113 View Post
    I'm 6'1 would L or XL be best? they don't have any in the shop. 34 inseam
    I am just guessing obviously, but I would think Large. I am 6'4" and ride an XL, but I ride with a guy who is 6'0" and my Pugs is definitely too big for him.
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    Thanks guys! I'm going to check out ICT next Thursday and really looking forward to it. It's a size large so I will know if it's too small. Can't wait
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    ^nice..look forward to some pics. I think it will fit great...want to see more pics if this bike with some dirt
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    ^ I will post for sure!! I live in desert area of So Cal and it should excel on the trails.
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    More pics please !!!!!!!

    Still waiting for my ICT here in germany.
    I hope I will get it this month.

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    Here are a few from the last week or so. Can you tell I like that big back shoe?
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    Nice! I've just ordered a Straggler and am looking at adding an ICT to the order. I ride a Giant Trance 27.5 0 at the moment and wonder if the lack of suspension will be too much pain to handle?? I'm 55 and although pretty fit do have some reservations about my ability to absorb some of the impact from drops, steps etc. the Bluto fork would help I guess?? Any comments/ helpful advice?

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    Full rigid is a different kind of riding. Lots of body English involved. The Bluto will definitely help some. The large tires are not the suspension one would imagine.
    I like it though. Takes me back to when I raced my Can-O-Ale "Beast of the East" with Pepperoni Fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himself View Post
    Nice! I've just ordered a Straggler and am looking at adding an ICT to the order. I ride a Giant Trance 27.5 0 at the moment and wonder if the lack of suspension will be too much pain to handle?? I'm 55 and although pretty fit do have some reservations about my ability to absorb some of the impact from drops, steps etc. the Bluto fork would help I guess?? Any comments/ helpful advice?
    A rigid fat bike still mostly feels like a rigid bike. The tires provide some dampening but it's not the same as suspension.

    Still, it comes down to the type of terrain that you want to ride. On smooth flowing dirt, you really don't need suspension. When you're bombing down more technical rocky terrain, having some more squish up front can really save you wrists and joints.

    I don't own one but I've ridden a friend's Trance 27.5 quite a few times. I would say with a Bluto and the right tire pressures, I'm comfortable taking the ICT on any trail that I would feel comfortable on the Trance. Without a Bluto, the rockier stuff definitely puts more stress on my arms and wrists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Shaker View Post
    Full rigid is a different kind of riding. Lots of body English involved. The Bluto will definitely help some. The large tires are not the suspension one would imagine.
    I like it though. Takes me back to when I raced my Can-O-Ale "Beast of the East" with Pepperoni Fork.
    Memories! I think I was better in my mind than reality. I had a San Andreas back in the day. Full sus but not as we know it!!



    Quote Originally Posted by rkzhao View Post
    A rigid fat bike still mostly feels like a rigid bike. The tires provide some dampening but it's not the same as suspension.

    Still, it comes down to the type of terrain that you want to ride. On smooth flowing dirt, you really don't need suspension. When you're bombing down more technical rocky terrain, having some more squish up front can really save you wrists and joints.

    I don't own one but I've ridden a friend's Trance 27.5 quite a few times. I would say with a Bluto and the right tire pressures, I'm comfortable taking the ICT on any trail that I would feel comfortable on the Trance. Without a Bluto, the rockier stuff definitely puts more stress on my arms and wrists.
    Therein lies the problem. I agree and it seems like I may have to buy a frame and wheels and try to source the Bluto and then build the bike up which will end up being very expensive here in NZ.
    I don't ride lots of highly technical stuff any more but I still want the option but don't want to keep the Trance just for the occasional ride. Hmmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Shaker View Post
    Here are a few from the last week or so. Can you tell I like that big back shoe?
    Beautiful
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    Got some friends that bought Pugs and Pugs ops and havent touched their 29er HT's! Really love my 29er so I will try to ride her too so she's not lonely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Himself View Post
    Therein lies the problem. I agree and it seems like I may have to buy a frame and wheels and try to source the Bluto and then build the bike up which will end up being very expensive here in NZ.
    I don't ride lots of highly technical stuff any more but I still want the option but don't want to keep the Trance just for the occasional ride. Hmmmmm.
    There are other bikes around the same price range that are speced with a Bluto like the Rocky Mountain Blizzard.

    With the ICT, there's nothing that says you can't just get the complete bike and add a Bluto later if you want. If you find that riding the bike around rigid is fine, then you wouldn't have to spend the extra money. I still plan on swapping my rigid fork back on for the snow just for the simplicity.

    Also, what's wrong with keeping the Trance for the occasional ride? You can never have too many bikes

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    I don't ride lots of highly technical stuff any more but I still want the option but don't want to keep the Trance just for the occasional ride. Hmmmmm.
    You don't need suspension to ride a fatbike through ugly stuff. The rigid fat is great at rock crawling, etc.

    It's if you want both ugly and *fast* that the bluto starts to becomes key. I you have mad skills you might be fine even then, but for most of us this is where the bluto is the game changer.

    I do kinda miss the rigid feel so I think I'm putting the stock fork back on my fatboy for winter. The speeds will be down once it snows so why not enjoy some quality time with the stiffy.

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    Interesting thoughts. We don't have snow here, mainly forest roads(rough) and roots slippery trails although I travel down to Auckland a bit to ride in a sandy forest. I kind of ride the road for fitness, gravel because it's relaxing and trails because it's fun. I completely agree with the never too many bikes theory. Its N +1 for the perfect amount of bikes, with N being the number of bikes currently owned. Thanks for the opinions/thoughts, the more the merrier.

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    So I managed to break a spoke trying to unseat my tire last night... anyone know what length and size spokes are on the rear wheel (Clownshoe and 190mm hub)?

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    Interesting thoughts. We don't have snow here, mainly forest roads(rough) and roots slippery trails although I travel down to Auckland a bit to ride in a sandy forest. I kind of ride the road for fitness, gravel because it's relaxing and trails because it's fun. I completely agree with the never too many bikes theory. Its N +1 for the perfect amount of bikes, with N being the number of bikes currently owned. Thanks for the opinions/thoughts, the more the merrier.
    I'm in Auckland and my ICT works well in the sandy forest. Just ordered a bluetoe to take the edge off as I do most of my riding in a slippery rooty forest (riverhead). I've got a lefty on my 9 zero 7 fatbike, so I miss the squish.

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    [QUOTE=mr pinga;11548661]I'm in Auckland and my ICT works well in the sandy forest. Just ordered a bluetoe to take the edge off as I do most of my riding in a slippery rooty forest (riverhead). I've got a lefty on my 9 zero 7 fatbike, so I miss the squish.
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    Hi Brett, is it the ICT or the ICT ops? I've just found the Salsa Bucksaw and am looking into that too. I love my Trance but have the urge to Fatbike so.........it could tick all the boxes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr pinga View Post
    Just ordered a bluetoe
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    Hehe, had to think about that one for a second.

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    Hi Brett, is it the ICT or the ICT ops? I've just found the Salsa Bucksaw and am looking into that too. I love my Trance but have the urge to Fatbike so.........it could tick all the boxes!
    Blue ICT, only mods I've done is carbon bars and a thud buster seatpost. Just received some mammoth tyres to try out in the wet clay.

    Bucksaw looks good. One of our gang members has just ordered one, so should get a ride soon

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    Nice. Let me know what you/he think of it. How did he order it?? From overseas or a local place? Ta.

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    Nice. Let me know what you/he think of it. How did he order it?? From overseas or a local place? Ta.
    Private import, just like the other 3 ICT in our gang, don't think there's a salsa or surly dealer in NZ

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    I've got a small interest in a bike shop up here in Kerikeri. Tim stocks Surly, or at least gets them in to order. Salsa..I don't know and they haven't replied yet.

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    Funny is two guys in my local area have the ICT now...guess i won't be the first haha! everyone keeps telling me size L for my height. Will know for sure on Thursday when i test one out. So damn excited
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr pinga View Post
    Private import, just like the other 3 ICT in our gang, don't think there's a salsa or surly dealer in NZ

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    Cycletech distributes Surly and is starting to distribute Salsa. There are stockists all over the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UlrichNQ View Post
    Cycletech distributes Surly and is starting to distribute Salsa. There are stockists all over the country.
    True that man. We just ordered the Surly Straggler for me today and put a Salsa Bucksaw on order with them.....so excited now!!!!!!

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    Thanks for the info guys.

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    Surly ICT thread

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    Bud with a Clownshoe.





    What does your ICT with Bluto weigh?
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    Ok, I'm running a Duct Tape / Gorilla Tape tubeless setup now. Its holding air, at least so far. We'll see how it does in the morning.

    With the XXL frame, stock components, plus a Bluto and a Reverb Dropper Post, my scale is saying 38.0 pounds. I would guess without the Reverb and with a smaller frame you'd be around 36 pounds. With the frame bags filled with snacks, water, tools, a spare tube, a first aide kit, etc etc, the whole setup is around 55 pounds. But it beats wearing a backpack!

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    I've got the XXL as well. No idea what it weighs, but she sure isn't a lightweight. Not that I care, neither am I!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Ok, I'm running a Duct Tape / Gorilla Tape tubeless setup now. Its holding air, at least so far. We'll see how it does in the morning.

    With the XXL frame, stock components, plus a Bluto and a Reverb Dropper Post, my scale is saying 38.0 pounds. I would guess without the Reverb and with a smaller frame you'd be around 36 pounds. With the frame bags filled with snacks, water, tools, a spare tube, a first aide kit, etc etc, the whole setup is around 55 pounds. But it beats wearing a backpack!
    Yeah i'm going to try this set up when I pick mine up next week...pinch flats suck
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    I do like the orange setup on the ICT! I'm going to go red on mine ...
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    So, I'm 6'-2" and a skosh, but I have super long gorilla arms. 6'-5" fingertip to fingertip.

    My RIP9 and EMD9 are both XL, which have the same top tube length as an XL ICT. Those bikes are comfortable.

    Any reason that a fat bike would lead me to size down to a Large?

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    The only thing different for me between a 29er and a fat bike for trail use is I like to run a little wider handlebar on the fat bike, which leads to a shorter stem. So I would get the same effective top tube length on a fat bike as a 29er. Some people talk about for snow use being more worried about standover, but it seems to me that people also say that in deep snow it's hopeless anyway. I don't know anything about riding in the snow myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Shaker View Post
    Here are a few from the last week or so. Can you tell I like that big back shoe?
    Really nice looking bike!

    Maybe I'm not looking in the right spot but I can't seem to find any pricing on Surly's site so I have no idea where to start in budgeting for one of these. Love the look of your build but what could one expect to pay for something similar? I don't need top of the line components, may even use as a SS for awhile, but I love the wheels and frame on your build. Mind shooting me a PM with a general idea on price? Plan on budgeting around $1500. Thanks.

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    unfortunately you better add another grand + to your budget

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    msrp for the standard ICT is $2700
    msrp for the ICT Ops is $2400

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    I'm not sure where you are but, you can check the Surly Dealers in your area on their site for pricing. You may get lucky and find a sale this week. My ride is a full build from them with a different seatpost and stem that I prefer. If you are building from the frame up, your budget may be a little low I would think. I guess it can be done if you have some of the parts already. Those wheels and tires new are a good chunk of your budget.
    I wanted to build from the frame up, but I also wanted to ride this Fall so I got the whole shebang.

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    Wow, I see no dealers in my area. Quick question, what are the differences in the "Ops" models and the main model? I see they have a Pugsley then a Pug Ops as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy21 View Post
    Wow, I see no dealers in my area. Quick question, what are the differences in the "Ops" models and the main model? I see they have a Pugsley then a Pug Ops as well.
    The Ops has:
    -80mm rims rather than 100mm
    -3.8 nate tires rather than 5 inch bud/Lou
    -black rather than blue
    -thumb shifter rather than trigger
    There might be other stuff but this is off the top of my head so...

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    Has anyone built up an ICT frameset rather than going complete? (Edit, just noticed the first page of the thread...)

    I'm adding up the cost of the parts/frame on the complete build and there doesn't seem to be much savings in it. I'm wondering if a complete build could come in around the same price and maybe even shave some weight.

    A few ideas I'm kicking around:
    -Chinese carbon rims or 80mm Mulefuts
    -RF Turbine crank, 1x10
    -Slightly lighter tires... ground control 4.6 maybe?

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    I built up a 16" truck as well, added chinease carbon forks, fatback UMA 90mm tubeless rims, bud and lou, next sl carbon cranks, Easton sl 90 bars and post, shimano xtr 10 speed with one up 42 tooth gear (makes it like an 11 speed)

    It comes in at 32 pounds with pedals.

    Have a Bluto on another fatty, it's great but adds a couple of pounds

    Personally would go with the 100mm because of 20% fork sag

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    It's not always (or ever) cheaper to build a bike instead of buying a complete, but if you're going to buy the complete bike and then change a bunch of parts, you'll probably be money ahead building your own.
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