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    On the subject of genre busting...

    Rode my new bike in Crested Butte last weekend--slogged up to 12,200', camped, woke, rode some more, then blasted back to town.

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    Rode it unladen on an Ewok-approved trail the next day. So sweet.


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    Brought it home and changed shoes, then headed out for some wash bashing and dry creek exploring.


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    Currently poring over maps and thinkering up some places to take this'n. Places I'd not have thought about riding--until now...


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    are those 3.0 knards on blunts in the last few pics??
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    Si.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Si.
    does Si = yes?

    Since Lenz doesn't list this unit is it safe to say a custom build??
    Last edited by nvphatty; 07-26-2013 at 05:51 AM.
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    Ok, so spill the beans already and details please!

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    Sweet looking frame. I would love to know how you got the finish to look like that!!


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    My jaw is on the floor..

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    Meh.


    J/K- Holy Crap! What a perfect combination of F/S and 29+. A little more detail on the amount of travel and geo, plus fork if you please. Also, tried this with Rabbit Holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Meh.


    J/K- Holy Crap! What a perfect combination of F/S and 29+. A little more detail on the amount of travel and geo, plus fork if you please. Also, tried this with Rabbit Holes?
    Mike has a pic on pg1 of this thread but there's numerous others showing RH/knard on sus forks.

    Krampus with Front Suspension!
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    THIS is the bike that Salsa could have/should have produced for 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishpeming View Post
    Ok, so spill the beans already and details please!
    I built a Krampus this spring. Loved the sportiness, loved the float, loved the suppleness afforded by those pillowy 120tpi casings at ~15psi. Hated the hardtail nature of it. What can I say--I'm getting old and soft.

    Every time I got off the Krampus I went back to my Mammoth, loving the geo and general FSiness of it. Talked to Devin Lenz and he agreed to make what you see in the pics above.

    Pretty sure he made a handful of extras in this batch, and I know he plans to make many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    THIS is the bike that Salsa could have/should have produced for 2014.
    absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I built a Krampus this spring. Loved the sportiness, loved the float, loved the suppleness afforded by those pillowy 120tpi casings at ~15psi. Hated the hardtail nature of it. What can I say--I'm getting old and soft.

    Every time I got off the Krampus I went back to my Mammoth loving the geo and general FSiness of it. Talked to Devin Lenz and he agreed to make what you see in the pics above.

    Pretty sure he made a handful of extras in this batch, and I know he plans to make many more.
    Glad to hear so i sent an email.
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    Great job Mike, love the forward thinking. I'm tying to figure out how I can put a Lou on the back of my FatBox with a 70mm rim.

    Were you able to ride it in anykind of snow or sand? Was just wondering how it compared to full fat.

    -Nolan

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolan17 View Post
    Great job Mike, love the forward thinking. I'm tying to figure out how I can put a Lou on the back of my FatBox with a 70mm rim.

    Were you able to ride it in anykind of snow or sand? Was just wondering how it compared to full fat.

    -Nolan
    I've never cared for full fat in summer, other than beach riding. Fat wheels and tires are too heavy to be "fun", plus too expensive to thrash on the way I like to ride in summer.

    I lead with that preamble so that you understand my intent with this bike was to blur the lines between full fat and 29". Light, nimble, capable, and fast on fun trails. Good float in sand. No idea on snow, nor do I really plan to use it there--that's where full fat shines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've never cared for full fat in summer, other than beach riding. Fat wheels and tires are too heavy to be "fun", plus too expensive to thrash on the way I like to ride in summer.

    I lead with that preamble so that you understand my intent with this bike was to blur the lines between full fat and 29". Light, nimble, capable, and fast on fun trails. Good float in sand. No idea on snow, nor do I really plan to use it there--that's where full fat shines.
    Encouraging to hear, and good to see a long travel FS bike in this format.

    One of the reasons I went fat a few years ago was based on wanting to avoid repeating the worst bike accident I'd had, involving an unexpected sand pit on an otherwise familiar trail for the first ride of a season, immediately followed by a creek bridge. How I walked away from that I still don't know.

    What I've found riding fatties in summer and trying to increase my subjective level of aggression, is that fat didn't really solve the whole sand-handilng-at-speed problem. At speed you can still shear sand while cornering even if your wheel is pointed where you intend.

    You know what solves that problem better? Not pushing it way too fast around a blind corner.

    On the other hand I somewhat routinely test ride a friend's or a shop's FS 29er and find them too fidgety.

    So, yes, FS 29+ is what I want to try next and I'm glad to hear it's working for you.
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    That looks sweet!This may be my next bike!Do we know if any other tires are gonna be available in this size?

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    what does the 29x5.0 mean? surely not 5" tire width?

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    I'm still so confused, people wanted bigger than 26" so along came the 29er. Well then a angry horde came along and decided a 29er was to much tire to have fun on so along came the 27.5. Now comes the 29er plus which in theory atleast with the angry horde should be less nimble yet which in turn equals less fun. Ok rambling and confused. Cool bike btw!

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    companies need to continue to make money on such basic technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I'm still so confused, people wanted bigger than 26" so along came the 29er. Well then a angry horde came along and decided a 29er was to much tire to have fun on so along came the 27.5. Now comes the 29er plus which in theory atleast with the angry horde should be less nimble yet which in turn equals less fun. Ok rambling and confused. Cool bike btw!
    There's one aspect of life that is forever constant, thats change.
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    Glad to see it in the flesh, that means mine can't be far behind!

    Only, I think mine will be rocking a SuperMax, gotta build up the wheel and verify clearance....

    Mike, did you need to run the narrower rims, or will RH's work too?

    Diggin' the new graphics too, Devin told me he was paying around with a new look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    There's one aspect of life that is forever constant, thats change.
    I get change but with Mike running one and liking it gives it validity at least in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I'm still so confused, people wanted bigger than 26" so along came the 29er. Well then a angry horde came along and decided a 29er was to much tire to have fun on so along came the 27.5. Now comes the 29er plus which in theory atleast with the angry horde should be less nimble yet which in turn equals less fun. Ok rambling and confused. Cool bike btw!

    Bicycles have been done 36 along with unicycles and there is more than one rim extrusion and tire in that size...history seems to say that we will continue to attempt to reinvent the wheel and various contraptions under which the wheel is mounted.

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    On the subject of genre busting...

    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    what does the 29x5.0 mean? surely not 5" tire width?
    29" tire, 5" of delightful travel.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    Looks good mike !

    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    what does the 29x5.0 mean? surely not 5" tire width?
    Mammoths are 29" wheels with 5" travel, 29x5 is just the way Lenz say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I get change but with Mike running one and liking it gives it validity at least in my eyes.
    agreed.
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    Well I think I'll be selling my Fatback and my IH 7Point pretty soon, so I can build a 29x3" trail bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Glad to see it in the flesh, that means mine can't be far behind!

    Only, I think mine will be rocking a SuperMax, gotta build up the wheel and verify clearance....

    Mike, did you need to run the narrower rims, or will RH's work too?

    Diggin' the new graphics too, Devin told me he was paying around with a new look.
    Agreed on the stencil--my favorite thus far.

    99.9% sure the RH's will fit just fine, though I have no intention of finding out personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Meh.http://forums.mtbr.com/newreply.php?...ply&p=10560740


    J/K- Holy Crap! What a perfect combination of F/S and 29+. A little more detail on the amount of travel and geo, plus fork if you please. Also, tried this with Rabbit Holes?
    140mm travel up front, and I think I'm getting ~135 out back. Too busy riding to measure...

    Fork is a stock Revelation. Tire fit is *tight*. Will likely dremel out the arch at some point--to gain mud clearance, basically.

    Geo is "slack XC". Slacker than a standard XC machine, but ideal for the terrain and way that I ride it.

    Haven't tried it with RH's. Should fit the frame fine, don't think they'll fit the fork.

    Cheers,

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    love it! awesome bike and going to keep re-visiting for all the specs and to see what people come up with. Kuddos to being creative and building one since it is taking manufacturers long enough to get the idea

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    Spent some $$$ on a set of 29" x 35mm wide Derby carbon tubeless rims. Laced 'em a few days ago with DT SuperComps/Prolocks, spent a few hours getting them set tubeless*, then finally managed a few rides.

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    Conclusion? Super stinkin' fun. I'll happily take this over a full-fat rig ~10+ months of the year.

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    Cheers,

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    * = they took air and the beads snapped into place easily, immediately. But the wafer-thin casings took a lot of fettling to get sealed.

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    Mine has been a blast too. Other bikes get looked at, but it's all I've grabbed for the last few weeks....

    New tires, or ones you ridden already?

    I ask cause mine set up great tubeless, new, out of the box. I'm guessing they got the crap scuffed out of them where you ride, and that was why it took some messing about to get them sealed up.

    Lookin' good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Mine has been a blast too. Other bikes get looked at, but it's all I've grabbed for the last few weeks....

    New tires, or ones you ridden already?

    I ask cause mine set up great tubeless, new, out of the box. I'm guessing they got the crap scuffed out of them where you ride, and that was why it took some messing about to get them sealed up.

    Lookin' good!
    Tires are used/beat. You're likely right.

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    What do you think of the rims so far? Any difference in ride compared to a Rabbit Hole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    What do you think of the rims so far? Any difference in ride compared to a Rabbit Hole?
    Someone more in-tune with speed than I could probably weave an intricate tale of how the "spin-up" is so much better that members of both the same *and* opposite sexes have been flinging themselves directly.

    I can only say that the tubelessness makes a huge difference--in that I can now start *and* finish a ride with air in the tires.

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    Air in the tires is real nice.
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    Wow. That is a really sweet setup.

    Have you had trouble leaning into turns as your Knards have worn? My Krampus feels increasingly sketchy in hard turns as the tires get older. Running Knard/RH with a suspension fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan View Post
    Wow. That is a really sweet setup.

    Have you had trouble leaning into turns as your Knards have worn? My Krampus feels increasingly sketchy in hard turns as the tires get older. Running Knard/RH with a suspension fork.
    I couldn't lean them into turns when they were new.

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    Haha.....they don't like cornering.
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    that does look like a lot of fun...

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    Sorry if I missed this, but what handlebars are those?

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    I think I can probably fit in your framebag next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlikedog View Post
    Sorry if I missed this, but what handlebars are those?
    Custom ti, made by someone that used to work for Moots. Aside from the mega-comfy position, they hold ~12oz of liquid, most commonly denatured alcohol for my camp stove.

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    Another epic. Keep them coming
    As little bike as possible, as silent as possible.
    Latitude: 57º36' Highlands, Scotland

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    Beautiful pictures as always, looks like you are having lots of fun! If you don't mind me asking - how are you carrying your DSLR? I have not yet found a good way to bring large(ish) camera along with me while biking.. got any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruceboy View Post
    Beautiful pictures as always, looks like you are having lots of fun! If you don't mind me asking - how are you carrying your DSLR? I have not yet found a good way to bring large(ish) camera along with me while biking.. got any suggestions?
    I carry everything else on the bike, so that I just have water and DSLR in my backpack. Not ideal to have to take it off for every shot, but it's the best way I've found so that the camera isn't getting beat up.

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    Any additional thoughts on the Derby rims??? Still in love???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JYB View Post
    Any additional thoughts on the Derby rims??? Still in love???
    Yep, still in love. At least enough that I have these rims on both of my FS bikes now--light ones on my FatMoth, HD on my LunchBox.

    I had some trouble getting two of them set up tubeless, one of them largely because the 120tpi Knard casing is so porous. That aside, I couldn't get the 12mm Stans tape to seal well enough, so I ripped it out and went with a wide wrap of gorilla tape. Pure love ever since.

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    Thanks for the info! Any chance of getting caliper measurements of casing width and "outer knob width" of the Knards on Derby rims?

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