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    Any one else hear that thunder ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    Any one else hear that thunder ?
    It's the sound of a fat rolling bandwagon.
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    Stoked for those SpecialiZed tires! And that fork. $500 for a yampa fork? No thanks... Not with this puppy out. Competition is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Stoked for those SpecialiZed tires! And that fork. $500 for a yampa fork? No thanks... Not with this puppy out. Competition is a good thing.
    maybe. but I'd prefer a 15mm thu axle myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    those SpecialiZed tires!
    Are Bud and Lou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBR.com
    The rear end is quite wide and we hit or heel on seatstay sometimes.
    With an unchanged BB width and a 190mm rear axle I was wondering how that wouldn't happen.
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    Valve stems

    Rear. Well, that's different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collideous View Post
    With an unchanged BB width and a 190mm rear axle I was wondering how that wouldn't happen.
    Exactly. I guess they wanted plenty of clearance for any tires, but still I think 170mm would be enough. Where does it say the bb is "unchanged"? Why wouldn't they go with at least a 100mm with the 190mm? We figured that out years ago.
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    Hmmm...

    Nice looking machine. Highly manipulated tubing. Nice style. Looks like they've put a lot of thought into it. Well... except for that rear valve stem placement. The real question is... how did they get that electrical tape to stick to the tire sidewall?
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    They dropped the ball on thru-axle. Not sure how much I feel I've needed it on my fatty but it will be nice to have. Really stoked for their tire offerings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Are Bud and Lou.
    * "Our test bike came with Surly tires but Specialized Ground Control tires are coming soon."

    I'm not a Specialized fan but I am pretty excited to see this after the lame output from Kona. They are at least bringing a fatbike spec'd with a carbon fork and aluminum frame for the same price as bikes without it. And now another tire option... and another rim/wheel option. This is a win.

    In a side note: I hope Surly comes out with a full suspension fat bike first or something crazy to surprise everyone again... otherwise I'm a little worried for them. Getting to be some really strong competition. This coming from a Surly fan.

    Now we wait for a quality review from our local experts at fat-bike.com
    No offense... but that was just a very quick-over generic review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    Exactly. I guess they wanted plenty of clearance for any tires, but still I think 170mm would be enough. Where does it say the bb is "unchanged"? Why wouldn't they go with at least a 100mm with the 190mm? We figured that out years ago.
    With unchanged I meant 100mm. Increase the rear dropout spacing to 190mm vs. 170mm results in 10mm of reduced heel clearance. Probably not a huge issue with long s-bent chainstays. Seems like the MTBR folks hit the chainstays of the Specialized a lot, though. To keep enough heel clearance a 190mm rear axle would call for a 120mm BB, imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    Why wouldn't they go with at least a 100mm with the 190mm? We figured that out years ago.
    It looks like it is... http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/u...7/P1010265.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    It's the sound of a fat rolling bandwagon.
    I wonder how many people the big S sued for name rights on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collideous View Post
    With unchanged I meant 100mm. Increase the rear dropout spacing to 190mm vs. 170mm results in 10mm of reduced heel clearance. Probably not a huge issue with long s-bent chainstays. Seems like the MTBR folks hit the chainstays of the Specialized a lot, though. To keep enough heel clearance a 190mm rear axle would call for a 120mm BB, imho.
    This has me wondering if this bike is as pedal strike prone as the Mukluk. If they went with a 120mm BB shell it would be even worse than the Muk I would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb View Post
    I wonder how many people the big S sued for name rights on that one.
    Name rights for Fatboy? Specialized have been using that for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Name rights for Fatboy? Specialized have been using that for years.
    You are right, I do recall them using that somewhere else, just can't remember where?
    It was meant more as an expression of dislike for the way that the big S has conducted themselves over the years. That being said, there is no denying the fact that they are able to produce a superior product.

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    Re: Specialized Fatboy

    This makes the Kona offering look like a half-baked cash in.

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    Geo? Is this more trail or adventure-oriented?

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    Looks good. I bet a couple locals buy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb View Post
    You are right, I do recall them using that somewhere else, just can't remember where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    In a side note: I hope Surly comes out with a full suspension fat bike first or something crazy to surprise everyone again... otherwise I'm a little worried for them. Getting to be some really strong competition. This coming from a Surly fan.
    Surly will never come out with a FS fat bike. How long have they been selling MTBs and have they come out with a single suspension equipped bike yet? No.

    Salsa [Surly's sister company at QBP] has said they'll sell a FS fat bike as soon as there is a production fat fork from one of the NA suspension companies.

    Personally I'm not worried about Surly at all. They've continued to thrive selling steel rigid bikes in a market with tons of high tech alternatives. I don't see anything changing.

    So far neither the Kona or the Specialized fatbike has broken any new ground that the existing smaller bike companies haven't been already providing.

    The only real concern I have is that if the fatbike market gets divided amongst too many players will there be enough incentive for companies like Surly to spend the $$$ to do the R&D and produce new products that can then be copied? If the incentive is too small you see lots of similar fatbike product from everyone and slowed product development.

    That won't be bad for Surly they'll keep investing where they have an advantage [ie. Krampus/29+], but it would be bad for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Surly will never come out with a FS fat bike. How long have they been selling MTBs and have they come out with a single suspension equipped bike yet? No.
    That's why I said something crazy to surprise us... it would be a surprise right? I was just saying... their niche hold on the fat bike realm keeps getting smaller and smaller. I love my Moonlander, but at the same time would I like something that doesn't take all my energy to get it on top of the car? Yes.
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    I just updated the article with an interview with the designer.

    Just In: Specialized Fatboy Fat Bike | Mountain Bike Review

    Geometry is about the same as the Crave. Tires and valve stem location is just temporary. Price for the Expert is about $2500 and weight is around 30 lbs. Available hopefully by December 2013.

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    Oil in Deore brakes will be replaced by some special one? As I know, original one is not the best option for very low temperatures.

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    If they can get that Fatboy expert out the door for $2500 (and maybe closer to 2K if you patronize your LBS that sells Spesh and get along well with the owner) and it weighs 30lbs rolling 4.8's and 2x10, that's pretty impressive...

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    Specialized Fatboy

    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I just updated the article with an interview with the designer.

    Just In: Specialized Fatboy Fat Bike | Mountain Bike Review

    Geometry is about the same as the Crave. Tires and valve stem location is just temporary. Price for the Expert is about $2500 and weight is around 30 lbs. Available hopefully by December 2013.

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    So 2 months too late and sold out before the new year? lol

    IOW, hopefully Specialized doesn't run into the same availability issues as some other fat bike builders.
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    Specialized Fatboy

    I have to say. That looks pretty good. Unlike the Kona, this actually makes my decision for the next step harder. Will there be a frame option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I just updated the article with an interview with the designer.

    Just In: Specialized Fatboy Fat Bike | Mountain Bike Review

    Geometry is about the same as the Crave. Tires and valve stem location is just temporary. Price for the Expert is about $2500 and weight is around 30 lbs. Available hopefully by December 2013.

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    Purportedly, this is the new Trek fatbike in answer to the Specialized model..... (Found on Freewheel Bike's Facebook page)
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    I must say that I am glad to see Specialized step into the market. This will hopefully bring the prices of some things down for us, especially tires. I am personally not a big fan of Specialized bikes but this looks like a good option for the fat bike market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    Any one else hear that thunder ?
    Nope, But I see a cloud that looks just like the other clouds in the sky.
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    I actually liked the Kona fat bike, looking like Jones frame, but then, bam! Fatboy makes Kona fat bike look like an idiot.
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    I say - another fatbike by a company that many more people know of (due to being one of the "big 3" seems like a good thing - more people riding these bikes = more interest = innovation. No?

    I don't get all the negativity. Seems weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpus View Post
    I say - another fatbike by a company that many more people know of (due to being one of the "big 3" seems like a good thing - more people riding these bikes = more interest = innovation. No?

    I don't get all the negativity. Seems weird.
    Spot on!! I don't get the people who say it's nothing new just like every other fat bike out there. It's a friggen BIKE, has two wheels like most every bike out there. It's capable of fitting some big ars tires and it's going to help get more people on em which means more exposure for the sport which in turn means more people looking for trails to ride and to help lobby for more trail usage. I'm not a total Spec fanboy but I have/had a few and they make some great bikes They put a lot of r&d into everything they do and I welcome them into the fat bike realm. Now bring on those rims and tires!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    Nope, But I see a cloud that looks just like the other clouds in the sky.
    Oh come on. If you were talking about the Kona fatbike, I'd agree.

    This bike brings a lot to the table. A lightweight, stiff frame with ample tire clearance, new 90mm rims that are significantly lighter than current offerings, new tires, and big time promotion and distribution. These are huge.

    Just buy an "I rode fatbikes before they were cool" t-shirt and get on with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post

    "I rode fatbikes before they were cool" t-shirt .
    I soooooo want one of those!!

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    Looks great. Surly will always have their loyal steel is real following, but their reign as the fat bike leader is coming to an end. I'd bet Secialized did more R&D on this bike than Surly ever did when designing the Pugsley. I'll give surly credit for being innovative in offering a bike that can fit the fat tires before anyone else, but I don't think they put much R&D into anything. I really doubt they have any professional engineers on their staff. I appreciate what they offer, but I just don't think they have the resources to do real development, and testing. If they did, they probably wouldn't have had the issues they have with cracked frames and weak forks, on stuff that's not even light weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpus View Post
    I say - another fatbike by a company that many more people know of (due to being one of the "big 3" seems like a good thing - more people riding these bikes = more interest = innovation. No?

    I don't get all the negativity. Seems weird.
    Because everyone knows that what will ruin fatbikes is greater availability and more people riding them. Then we poor OG fatbikers will no longer be special. and we will have a sad.

    Also, the big companies will introduce all sorts of crazy new standards to compete with the totally locked down standards that everyone else came up with (how y'all feeling about jumping on the 170 train?)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by autodoctor911 View Post
    Looks great. Surly will always have their loyal steel is real following, but their reign as the fat bike leader is coming to an end. I'd bet Secialized did more R&D on this bike than Surly ever did when designing the Pugsley. I'll give surly credit for being innovative in offering a bike that can fit the fat tires before anyone else, but I don't think they put much R&D into anything. I really doubt they have any professional engineers on their staff. I appreciate what they offer, but I just don't think they have the resources to do real development, and testing. If they did, they probably wouldn't have had the issues they have with cracked frames and weak forks, on stuff that's not even light weight.
    Really? This has to be one of the lamest posts I have seen. Did QBP just pull all of their Surly designs out of thin air? Quality has several bikes lines of all kinds with all kinds of new designs for all kinds of different uses. Living in MN I have personally seen Quality employees out riding all kinds of prototypes. I have seen prototypes for a new Foundry hard tail, Mukluk, and Spearfish on our local trails over the past several months. I also know a few of the people who develop and test their new bikes. They are putting in the same planning and testing of any other bike company. I have also seen the Salsa FS fattie proto they have at Q headquarters. They have had a proto for that hanging around the past couple of years. I think they have had a few bad runs of some components and frames, but that is the chance you take having things manufactured overseas. It happens on occasion. I suppose Specialized has done some great R & D the past 5+ years sitting on the sideline watching what Surly and Salsa have been doing in the fat bike world. Sure is easy to design a new fatbike when all the R & D has been already done for you by various other manufacturers.

    I personally think the new Fatboy is pretty cool and good to see another manufacturer on board, but I think it is lame to rip the pioneers of the mass market fat bike and give all the new credit to the Johnny Come Lately's of the world of fat biking.

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    " I suppose Specialized has done some great R & D the past 5+ years sitting on the sideline watching what Surly and Salsa have been doing in the fat bike world. Sure is easy to design a new fatbike when all the R & D has been already done for you by various other manufacturers."

    Amen, brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYNOFREERIDE View Post
    Really? This has to be one of the lamest posts I have seen. Did QBP just pull all of their Surly designs out of thin air? Quality has several bikes lines of all kinds with all kinds of new designs for all kinds of different uses. Living in MN I have personally seen Quality employees out riding all kinds of prototypes. I have seen prototypes for a new Foundry hard tail, Mukluk, and Spearfish on our local trails over the past several months. I also know a few of the people who develop and test their new bikes. They are putting in the same planning and testing of any other bike company. I have also seen the Salsa FS fattie proto they have at Q headquarters. They have had a proto for that hanging around the past couple of years. I think they have had a few bad runs of some components and frames, but that is the chance you take having things manufactured overseas. It happens on occasion. I suppose Specialized has done some great R & D the past 5+ years sitting on the sideline watching what Surly and Salsa have been doing in the fat bike world. Sure is easy to design a new fatbike when all the R & D has been already done for you by various other manufacturers.
    I may be wrong, but I envision Surly as a small shop of less than 20 or so employees, that although they have great ideas of what bikes to make, they don't have much resources to develop them to the point that a bigger company like specialized can. Designing a new frame, even using a CAD program, and getting it fabbed up and test riding it, without instrumentation is not the same as using Finite Element analysis of the designs to test them before even making a prototype, and subjecting the prototypes to fatigue testing on mechanical implements with full instrumentation, etc.

    I don't know. Maybe Surly has all of that and more under QBP, or maybe Specialized doesn't do that stuff either. It generally doesn't take that much technology to make a bike durable if it is made on the safe side of heavy, but if you want to push the limits by making stuff lighter, it is very helpful in making the product perform like it should.
    test riding the prototypes is the best way to judge the performance, but when doing that it is especially usefull to have a facility that can fabricate new parts or frames quickly to implement changes during the development of those prototypes, rather than having to wait for another prototype from asia. I don't know if Spec. has that either though.

    I can only base my assumptions on what I have seen for the quality, and performance of each of their products. And from what I have seen of the Surly failures, they should have been caught before a prototype was even made if using Finite Element analysis. None of the common failures I have seen looked like poor workmanship in production could have been the common factor. In fact, I'd bet the guys welding them up could have told you where they were going to fail before the first one did

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Oh come on. If you were talking about the Kona fatbike, I'd agree.

    This bike brings a lot to the table. A lightweight, stiff frame with ample tire clearance, new 90mm rims that are significantly lighter than current offerings, new tires, and big time promotion and distribution. These are huge.

    Just buy an "I rode fatbikes before they were cool" t-shirt and get on with it.
    Let me know when I can order my t-shirt. What I mean by "just another cloud" is that with every new bike that comes out there is a little change here some grams there. Which is expected or why would one come out with a bike that simply had a different name on it. I'm just saying let's just hold back on the thunder.

    No doubt those rims are lighter then my UMA IIIs, unless they make a break through in rubber compound chemistry I'd say it will be just another tire. As for the simple fact that its specialized is pretty cool, I've got nothing against them. I was simply referencing the bike it's self.

    Definitely glad to see the heavy waits throw their hats in such an unsettled ring. We will hopefully see more and bigger clicks up the innovation pole. And their will probly be a bike sometime soon that is just to wide for the general public and it will bomb. But I hope I own one as in the land of 200 days form snowfall to snowfall float is KING IMHO.
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    Great words AUTO
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    ...funny Mark...I was thinking nearly the same thing about what Surly and Salsa were doing 10 years ago...
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    I would be excited for some wide captains for sure. That is all.

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    From what I have heard, Specialized want to develop the fatties and components over the coming years only one tyre in one size apparently for now.

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    I think those fatboys look really nice. I also agree that more companies on fat business creates more innovations - though I'm really not a big fan of ever growing "standards".

    Drooling for new tires on market anyways.

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