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    You would have to run some kinda chain tensioner.

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    Deposit has been put down at LBS! Now the waiting game begins....

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    Just curious, because I'm in Spokane . . . which LBS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rschultz101 View Post

    so it's not prime time yet. as a summer-fat bike only, and not fat enough for winter,
    it does not get full marks. :-(
    I have to disagree a bit. 4.0 tires and 80mm rims are fat enough for winter for many fat bikers. In Anchorage in the winter the majority of riders are riding that combination including quite a few on the new 190 bikes. It is all you need up here for most of our riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Deposit has been put down at LBS! Now the waiting game begins....
    I recommend seeing a hypnotist and asking to forget about the bike. It will make your summer more enjoyable and imagine your surprise when the LBS calls in the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spovegas View Post
    Just curious, because I'm in Spokane . . . which LBS?
    Went to Wheel Sport on Sullivan In Spokane valley. The guys were helpful and friendly. They had a fatboy built up with ground controls riding around the shop. First time I saw those tires in person, look sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I recommend seeing a hypnotist and asking to forget about the bike. It will make your summer more enjoyable and imagine your surprise when the LBS calls in the fall.
    I know!
    The only thing that will keep me sane is buying the parts in the meantime, finding deals etc. by the time the frame is ready I should have a nice pile of parts ready to go

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    Life's to short for skinny tires!!!

    Traction and suspension what a waste of time. Why did it take this long ? I can't wait. To stomp all skeptics, up and down the trails.

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    Video at link not fat bikes, but for all you folks with deposits on Buck Saws just imagine fatter wheels and the awesome shredding you'll be doing this fall/winter when they arrive.

    Silvia Video: Matt Hunter and All My Friends Are Sick - Pinkbike

    I apologize if this makes the wait harder.
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    Them dudes can ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I have to disagree a bit. 4.0 tires and 80mm rims are fat enough for winter for many fat bikers. In Anchorage in the winter the majority of riders are riding that combination including quite a few on the new 190 bikes. It is all you need up here for most of our riding.
    But the bike comes with Marge Lites which aren't 80mm wide.
    I wonder if there will be an option for that. I love my Moonlander with CS's and BFL's but they won't fit on he Bucksaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecanoe View Post
    But the bike comes with Marge Lites which aren't 80mm wide.
    I wonder if there will be an option for that. I love my Moonlander with CS's and BFL's but they won't fit on he Bucksaw.
    ML's are also plenty wide to conquer snow/sand.

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    Awesome vid, those guys were rockin the snow

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    bucksaw spotted at a trail local to me, and word on the street is they will have a few at the demo next weekend.

    hmmm...camping trip @ Levis next wknd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    bucksaw spotted at a trail local to me, and word on the street is they will have a few at the demo next weekend.

    hmmm...camping trip @ Levis next wknd?
    Are you speaking of Levis, if so isn't that Thursday and Friday? If the BS is going to be there we are coming over on Friday.

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    Yes, yes, and cool. I will be heading past your area to Crivitz that wknd.

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    This is great news, I was told that there wasn't going to be last week! If someone who goes today can verify this I will make the trip tomorrow! Thanx for the Tip Jon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post
    This is great news, I was told that there wasn't going to be last week! If someone who goes today can verify this I will make the trip tomorrow! Thanx for the Tip Jon!
    It's next week the 22nd and 23rd and I have not heard a confirmation yet if one will be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    It's next week the 22nd and 23rd and I have not heard a confirmation yet if one will be there.
    Thanks BDundee! It's a five hour drive for me so any and all info would be great! The guys at Art Doyles told me that they were told the bucksaw wont be out for demo until July. I hope we can get a taste before that though! Cheers!!

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    Even though driving that distance to ride Levis would be worth it, I would hate to cause any disapointment from my statement being false. Maybe a call to QBP might help clear things up?

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    Since I am planning on going to Levis next weekend, there may or may not be a BuckSaw to demo?

    Please say it's so.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Hey Guys I just called Salsa and inquired whether or not the bucksaw would be at Levis Mounds and Ben said NO DICE! Bummer ! The Bucksaw will not be at demo days until July is also what he told me. Oh well I can wait a few months. Sorry for the bad news!

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    Sounds like they are missing out on a big opportunity to get some Bucksaw hype going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Sounds like they are missing out on a big opportunity to get some Bucksaw hype going.

    dbags.
    I agree, let's show pics of this same bike on the same trails as the demo is being held on and then say it's not available. <a*href="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" title="Smiley"><img src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /></a>

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    Lol.
    I just want one already

    Been a bit lazy on the part searching, but ready to put it in gear.

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    Fat tastic bike! It does bug me that these guys produce such innovative and well thought out bikes, yet limit the dang thing to 3.8" tires. what's so hard about going with a full 4" tire spec on an innovative new release like this bucksaw!!!! 4" is so much better for the broadest riding conditions, yet would still allow one to run skinner tires if desired. I just don't get it... Still, I want one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalBikeman View Post
    Fat tastic bike! It does bug me that these guys produce such innovative and well thought out bikes, yet limit the dang thing to 3.8" tires. what's so hard about going with a full 4" tire spec on an innovative new release like this bucksaw!!!! 4" is so much better for the broadest riding conditions, yet would still allow one to run skinner tires if desired. I just don't get it... Still, I want one!
    Dude if it will fit a Nate 3.8 it will fit any 4.0 tire out right now.

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    Re: Salsa Cycles BUCKSAW FS Fat Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalBikeman View Post
    Fat tastic bike! It does bug me that these guys produce such innovative and well thought out bikes, yet limit the dang thing to 3.8" tires. what's so hard about going with a full 4" tire spec on an innovative new release like this bucksaw!!!! 4" is so much better for the broadest riding conditions, yet would still allow one to run skinner tires if desired. I just don't get it... Still, I want one!
    3.8" is 4". It's just labeling. Unless you are referring to the 5" tires such as Bud and Lou, which don't make sense at all for a full suspension bike, being even slower than the already pretty slow 4" tires.

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    (Edit: Oops! Wrong thread! Didn't plan to resurrect this one :P)

    Interesting thread! I've ordered a stock Bucksaw 1, and although weight saving isn't critical, I've seen two quick wins. First off I'll replace the saddle with a lighter (and prettier) Selle Italia SLR XC I've got stashed away. Second, I plan to try to convert the stock wheels to tubeless using this technique:

    I'm thinking about switching out the Nate tyres as well, since I find the rubber compound in these to be too hard for wet roots and rock, both of which we have in plenty supply here in Norway. Vee Rubber's fat tyres with silicone rubber are clear candidates. Possibly the 4.25" marked H-Billie, depending on actual rear tyre clearance on the Bucksaw: H-Billie | VEE Tire Co.

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    New details on the Salsa blog! Including geometry.

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    Right on! Thanks, asollie.

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    That is a masterful piece of marketing right there. I don't mean that in a negative way at all. Prior to reading this I was thinking, eh FS fatty who needs it. After reading it, wow it sounds like I NEED that bike, what am I missing by not having that bike in my quiver!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    That is a masterful piece of marketing right there. I don't mean that in a negative way at all. Prior to reading this I was thinking, eh FS fatty who needs it. After reading it, wow it sounds like I NEED that bike, what am I missing by not having that bike in my quiver!?!?!
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    Got to see the Bucksaw in action yesterday at Snowbasin. The Valhelga tires are amazing! The QBP and 45nrth guys were super cool. Cheers!
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    I think this is a great advancement for the fat cause. Let me know when this thing grows up into a full fat bike. I already have a full suspension mnt bike with semi fat tires that will rip that thing a new one. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's way cool but I'm in it for the fat stuff. Biggest tire, biggest rim! I'm sure the production model will show up by next year. I ride mostly rock gardens at speed on my 9-0-7, Lefty, Bud/GC or Lou on Shoes. It's great but I need a little help in the back. Going down to a 3.8 tire on 80mm rims is too much like my 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I think this is a great advancement for the fat cause. Let me know when this thing grows up into a full fat bike. I already have a full suspension mnt bike with semi fat tires that will rip that thing a new one. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's way cool but I'm in it for the fat stuff. Biggest tire, biggest rim! I'm sure the production model will show up by next year. I ride mostly rock gardens at speed on my 9-0-7, Lefty, Bud/GC or Lou on Shoes. It's great but I need a little help in the back. Going down to a 3.8 tire on 80mm rims is too much like my 29er.
    If your semi fat will rip a bucksaw a new one, it will rip a 5" tire version an even bigger new one. As mentioned in the bucksaw literature Salsa has put out, there is a reason they designed it around 4"/65mm. It's a trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    If your semi fat will rip a bucksaw a new one, it will rip a 5" tire version an even bigger new one.
    You missed my point! Maybe I did a poor job of stating it. I already have a very fast full suspension bike with nobby tires. I don't need or want another. I am interested in obtaining a full fat full suspension bike.
    No doubt this bike is great but It's not different enough from my other full suspension bike to count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    You missed my point! Maybe I did a poor job of stating it. I already have a very fast full suspension bike with nobby tires. I don't need or want another. I am interested in obtaining a full fat full suspension bike.
    No doubt this bike is great but It's not different enough from my other full suspension bike to count.
    The bucksaw sounds like a purpose built machine and you're looking for more of a novelty.

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    No, same purpose, fast trail riding. I just like it on big tires and rims. There is no right or wrong here. I'm just saying that's what I prefer and I hope they will build one soon.
    Don't forget, I said I like the bike!

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    Well, the bluto is 5"/100mm compatible, so you could have your big tire up front at least. And 4"/82mm out back isn't exactly skinny now, especially when under an FS frame. You wouldnt be too far off from what you're looking for. A big, gnarly tire up front coupled with a lighter and faster rolling tire out back has been a very popular trend for fast trail bikes in the past, so you may be pleasantly surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Well, the bluto is 5"/100mm compatible, so you could have your big tire up front at least. And 4"/82mm out back isn't exactly skinny now, especially when under an FS frame. You wouldnt be too far off from what you're looking for. A big, gnarly tire up front coupled with a lighter and faster rolling tire out back has been a very popular trend for fast trail bikes in the past, so you may be pleasantly surprised.
    Right now the only offering is the Carver Trans Fat. It's not production. You have to order a frame and they make it with any dimensions you want. It can take Lou on a Shoe. I wouldn't need the bluto cause I love my Lefty. The draw back is the frame and shock is $3000.

    Sorry! Got off topic there. Carry on!

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    I was riding some pretty rocky trails at 9mile the other day on my 9zero7 (rigid w/ hudu & Knard on RD...sooo last year, I know!!) and was really thinking a bucksaw would be such a awesome bike to have on terrain I was riding. But I still had a blast on my old school rigid.

    I don't see any reason that a fully fatty couldn't be a 'one-bike-solution'. The only thing I would be nervous about is having a backup bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I don't see any reason that a fully fatty couldn't be a 'one-bike-solution'. The only thing I would be nervous about is having a backup bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
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    This is great to see some actual geometry details.... Looks like the lefty max is going to fit it pretty nicely...

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    After seeing the geometries and talking to the fitter at my shop, I'm going to stick with a medium. Salsa thinks I'd be between a small and a medium based on my height, but there's no way in hell that's gonna happen. Not with my gorilla arms. On just about every other mtb out there, I'm between a medium and a large. I just wish I could find a geometry chart for the old mtb I currently ride for comparison purposes. Finding geometry charts for 11yr old bikes is tough.

    Loved reading about the design considerations and the logic they used for some of the decisions they made for this bike. Definitely a "one bike to do it all" sort of thing, which works well for me. I'm thinking I'm going to turn my old FS into a steel HT as a 2nd bike. Frame age is really what's convincing me to buy something new at this point. So I'm thinking I'll just strip the old FS frame and sell it off, then keep the parts to put on a HT frame. It'll give me a second bike to use in case the Bucksaw is out of commission for service.

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    watching........

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    I Don't trust carbon stays.
    this is what happened the last time i road a bike with carbon stays:

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    I hope they come out with a cheaper version with AL everything further down the line.
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    Let me guess, just riding along.......*bam crack!*

    That is what frame warranty is for. The only FS rear triangle I've cracked was a '03 trek liquid, the aluminum chainstay cracked......funny the carbon seatstay held up just fine. Trek sent me a shiny '10 replacement.


    Looks like MTBR has some more info:
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