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    Ok now ya all got me thinking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    How do you expect them to get 17" of chainstay length with 26" rims, 3.8" tires, and a suspension pivot in there?
    It can be done, there's room, I've taken measurements.

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    Hopefully the CS is closer to 17.5", that's a lot better. It's still possible to get as short as 16.5" CS though on a fat full sus with a bent seat post and a 120 mm BB. Takes a little creativity with the CS/swing arm design but it can be done. I'm planning on making such a frame soon.

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    I was all set to buy a Horesthief and now this happens. Not available until Sept? Oh, the horror!

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    Sooo, in the evolution of bike ownership, would it be wrong to skip over ever owning a full suspension bike and skip right to a full squish fatty?

    My Banshee PRIME literally just showed up at my front door. Maybe I will try to squeeze a dually and Dirt Wizard back there to curb my lust?


    Now where the **** did I put that damn credit card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Sooo, in the evolution of bike ownership, would it be wrong to skip over ever owning a full suspension bike and skip right to a full squish fatty?

    My Banshee PRIME literally just showed up at my front door. Maybe I will try to squeeze a dually and Dirt Wizard back there to curb my lust?


    Now where the **** did I put that damn credit card?
    In my opinion not wrong at all.I am pumped about this bike and what else it will inspire other manufacturers to develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Sooo, in the evolution of bike ownership, would it be wrong to skip over ever owning a full suspension bike and skip right to a full squish fatty?

    My Banshee PRIME literally just showed up at my front door. Maybe I will try to squeeze a dually and Dirt Wizard back there to curb my lust?
    I would have had they been avail 2yrs ago, however it's clear the time is now and what's to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Sooo, in the evolution of bike ownership, would it be wrong to skip over ever owning a full suspension bike and skip right to a full squish fatty?

    My Banshee PRIME literally just showed up at my front door. Maybe I will try to squeeze a dually and Dirt Wizard back there to curb my lust?
    I'd ride the Prime for 1 year and see what happens in the FS fatty world. This is a pretty novel product so significant refinements are likely.

    If the Bluto sells well I expect a 34/35mm fat fork to hit the market for added stiffness.

    A year of feedback from customers will give DW/Salsa some ideas for improvements to the fat SP implementation.
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    Pretty impressive for full suspension, right out of the box, size large, with pedals!

    " I was however utterly baffled by the lack of heft. With pedals, my large test bike barely broke the thirty pound mark."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailCrawler View Post
    Wow, Bucksaw, Rock Shox Bluto and new SRAM brake review all in one, its like Christmas in April.

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    From the Salsa blog......

    "Kid Riemer | April 22nd, 2014
    Shark - Frame Only MSRP for USA will be $1899. Frame Only will come with Rear Shock, Seat Collar, and Rear Maxle. -Kid"

    Going to stop by the bike shop this week and see if I can get my name on one.....maybe sweet talk my way into a gold frame (frame only supposed to be blue)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    From the Salsa blog......

    "Kid Riemer | April 22nd, 2014
    Shark - Frame Only MSRP for USA will be $1899. Frame Only will come with Rear Shock, Seat Collar, and Rear Maxle. -Kid"

    Going to stop by the bike shop this week and see if I can get my name on one.....maybe sweet talk my way into a gold frame (frame only supposed to be blue)
    Nice. This is exactly what I'd want if I were to get one. Which I'm not. But I might. But I shouldn't.

    Oh, F@#$ it, here's my credit card!

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    Part of me wants to put a deposit down to get one of the first ones.Another part of me wants to wait to see what other manufacturers do.I do imagine they have this dialed in nicely though.

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    This stupid bike has me brainstorming the feasibility of purchasing one, even as I am about to close on a new house. It occurred to me that I could sell my Bandit 29, and my Pugsley with two wheelsets and Lefty, and I'd not have to outlay a ton of cash.

    But then I wouldn't have a FS 140mm 29er and a hardtail fatbike. I would just have the one bike. Which might be cool sometimes, but other times not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    But then I wouldn't have a FS 140mm 29er and a hardtail fatbike. I would just have the one bike. Which might be cool sometimes, but other times not?
    Sell the Pugs and keep the Bandit...might have to wait a bit longer to buy the FS Fatty...but they are several months out aren't they?
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    Fatback and Krampus will both be going this fall to make room for the Bucksaw, I've read all I need to. In DW we trust...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyB View Post
    In DW we trust...
    +1 - he does good work.
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    We waited a long time for you to make us a bunch....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    We waited a long time for you to make us a bunch....
    with baited nasty breath too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Frame Only MSRP for USA will be $1899. Frame Only will come with Rear Shock, Seat Collar, and Rear Maxle.
    Other Salsa FS frames are $1699 with the same DW system. $200 fat tax :thumbdown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    Other Salsa FS frames are $1699 with the same DW system. $200 fat tax :thumbdown:
    Just can't please some people.

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    Here's to hoping it bombs and I can get a closeout next year for $1399-1499.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    Other Salsa FS frames are $1699 with the same DW system. $200 fat tax :thumbdown:
    This has got to be trolling.....

    Should be happy that it's not +$2k. Salsa did their homework, put out what looks to be an amazing product at a price that the average rider can afford.

    Their non fat frames probably sell 10x more then the fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    Here's to hoping it bombs and I can get a closeout next year for $1399-1499.
    Hopefully it sells like hotcakes bringing more competition into the market
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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    Other Salsa FS frames are $1699 with the same DW system. $200 fat tax :thumbdown:
    +1 - so true! And it's not like the Buzz Saw is an uber niche product that will sell in far smaller quantities than Salsa's FS 29er MTBs resulting in higher per unit costs when you divide the fixed costs for putting out a new model by the anticipated sales volume!

    What a SCAM!
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    It's likely that the Bucksaw will sell out when available. There will be more buyers initially than bikes available, I'm betting on it.

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    I think they'll sell out also but I am still going to try to put some cash down on one!!

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    Of course it will sell out quickly.

    I'm not trolling. I honestly don't like the price and will not buy at that point. My Mukluk with Lefty will have to do.
    I believe they will/could sell similar numbers of these as their other FS products. Maybe I'm misinformed but I don't believe that their other FS frames are moving in high volumes either.

    It has the same tech as the 2014 products that came out last fall. Wider BB and stays don't amount to $200/frame. If I'm off about the frame tech they need to do a better job selling the features to me because I don't see it.
    Special tooling etc? Same main triangle frame jigs as the other FS models, just swap in different BB. Rear triangle is the same across the size run, again add a couple wider spacers to the jig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    Of course it will sell out quickly.

    I'm not trolling. I honestly don't like the price and will not buy at that point. My Mukluk with Lefty will have to do.
    I believe they will/could sell similar numbers of these as their other FS products. Maybe I'm misinformed but I don't believe that their other FS frames are moving in high volumes either.
    Trying to compare sales of some pretty normal 29er FS bikes and a fatty FS bike doesn't make sense.

    There is no way they'll sell the same numbers.

    Despite fat bikes growing in popularity they are a tiny segment of the overall mountain bike industry and a FS fatty is the rarest class of beast yet in this niche market segment.

    I think coming within $200 of the cost of their standard FS MTB frames is awesome.
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    "I think coming within $200 of the cost of their standard FS MTB frames is awesome."

    couldn't agree more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Trying to compare sales of some pretty normal 29er FS bikes and a fatty FS bike doesn't make sense.

    There is no way they'll sell the same numbers.

    Despite fat bikes growing in popularity they are a tiny segment of the overall mountain bike industry and a FS fatty is the rarest class of beast yet in this niche market segment.

    I think coming within $200 of the cost of their standard FS MTB frames is awesome.
    First, I don't really care about the extra $200. Surly/Salsa deserve to make as much cash now as possible as the early investers in fat.

    But, I would also guess that Salsa would sell as many Bucksaw bikes as their other 29er fs. My reason for thinking this is Market shear. Salsa has a tiny little slice of the massive 29er fs market but (nearly) 100% of the fat fs market

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    Bucksaw has carbon seat stays. Those are worth $137.50, so the "fat tax" is only $62.50.
    Also, complete bike pricing seems pretty fair when compared to their other models with similar builds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Bucksaw has carbon seat stays. Those are worth $137.50, so the "fat tax" is only $62.50.
    Also, complete bike pricing seems pretty fair when compared to their other models with similar builds.
    Not to mention they include the 12mm rear thru axle. Go price one of those & there goes the $62.50 that was left

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbXCgeek View Post
    But, I would also guess that Salsa would sell as many Bucksaw bikes as their other 29er fs. My reason for thinking this is Market share. Salsa has a tiny little slice of the massive 29er fs market but
    That is my thinking too. Not that my experience is all encompassing, but I've yet to see one of their FS in the wild in the Mid-atlantic, in the 15 years I've been riding here. Saw one on craigslist once and another local guy was talking about getting one but was having trouble locating one to test. Not sure he ever got it. Big 3 dominate, Niner is quite popular and I've seen a decent number of Turner, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Ventana, Ellsworth. Never a Salsa. Unless they are booming in other markets I think their share is small to begin with and Buck Saw could easily compete in numbers.
    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Bucksaw has carbon seat stays. Those are worth $137.50, so the "fat tax" is only $62.50.
    Also, complete bike pricing seems pretty fair when compared to their other models with similar builds.
    Carbon seat stays? Interesting. Not sure I follow why you'd need only them on a FS rig.
    But there's the price difference right there.
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    Not to mention they include the 12mm rear thru axle. Go price one of those & there goes the $62.50 that was left
    They list their other bikes coming with seat collar and rear axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post

    Carbon seat stays? Interesting. Not sure I follow why you'd need only them on a FS rig.
    But there's the price difference right there.
    Salsa says "increased stiffness and lighter frame weight". But it may have something to do with achieving the proper shape to clear the tires and wrap around the seat tube to the shock mount.

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    when is the last time a company released a frame that was cheaper than last years frame? I don't think it's ever happened. A small "fat tax" for a rare and low-selling frame doesn't seem too crazy. the molds for the carbon swingarm are going to be expensive, and if they worked with DW on it, then add some more cash into the mix.

    Still sounds like a super fun bike, no matter how you slice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    I'm not trolling. I honestly don't like the price and will not buy at that point.
    You are trolling. It's always the guys who cannot afford the item, and in your case cannot utlize the item, that ***** about price and functionality.

    Can't afford it...move on....and move on w/o being a douche if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    You are trolling. It's always the guys who cannot afford the item, and in your case cannot utlize the item, that ***** about price and functionality.

    Can't afford it...move on....and move on w/o being a douche if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    You are trolling. It's always the guys who cannot afford the item, and in your case cannot utlize the item, that ***** about price and functionality.

    Can't afford it...move on....and move on w/o being a douche if possible.
    Maybe you could point it out, but unless just disagreeing and discussing upsets you enough to call someone a douchebag I missed something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    Maybe you could point it out, but unless just disagreeing and discussing upsets you enough to call someone a douchebag I missed something.
    Even with a mark up of 200$ compared to the Horsethief frame the Bucksaw frame is still a lot cheaper then a Niner, Turner etc
    The rearwheel triangle is quite special with the use of carbon for the seatstays and the mold form can't be used for other models (You don't want that wide stays on a normal 29er).
    So i don't see a problem with the price, as a matter of fact i have told my LBS to get in line for a frame for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    Maybe you could point it out, but unless just disagreeing and discussing upsets you enough to call someone a douchebag I missed something.
    You did miss something, and added another. I never called anyone a douchebag, don't put words in my mouth. Not upset, just observant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    You did miss something, and added another. I never called anyone a douchebag, don't put words in my mouth. Not upset, just observant.
    Ok, so you were saying he was being completely reasonable in discussing why he thought the frame cost more than similar frames, not being a douche, but you thought it was up to you to tell him to get lost and just in case he decided to suddenly start acting like a douchebag out of nowhere, advise him against it? Got it.

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    Just in case lol.

    Lets get back to the fact that the awesome folks at Salsa gave us a full suspension, production fatbike, with some carbon in the frame, a non inverted fork, for a pretty decent price considering the limited market.

    Lets also not forget we now have a reason to build a new bike

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    want to frame/ fork only !
    - should fit the Krampus 29+ tires for the summer
    - should have more rear clearance
    - replaceable dropouts
    - adapter for Rohlof/Alfine

    so it's not prime time yet. as a summer-fat bike only, and not fat enough for winter,
    it does not get full marks. :-(

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    Why would you want a Rohloff in a bike with rear suspension?

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    Because some like both gearhubs and rear suspension.

    Yeah, I know it's additional unsprung weight. The same can be said for fat tires and rear suspension.

    Different strokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Salsa says "increased stiffness and lighter frame weight". But it may have something to do with achieving the proper shape to clear the tires and wrap around the seat tube to the shock mount.
    I'd assume that a general "they" can form nearly any shape from AL at this point. But maybe that stiffness came at a significant weight. Has a total weight been posted? At this point I must have surely missed it, but can't find it on their site either.
    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    You are trolling. It's always the guys who cannot afford the item, and in your case cannot utlize the item, that ***** about price and functionality.

    Can't afford it...move on....and move on w/o being a douche if possible.
    What do you mean by cannot utilize? I reread and can't piece together what this comes from.

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    You would have to run some kinda chain tensioner.

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    Deposit has been put down at LBS! Now the waiting game begins....

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    Just curious, because I'm in Spokane . . . which LBS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rschultz101 View Post

    so it's not prime time yet. as a summer-fat bike only, and not fat enough for winter,
    it does not get full marks. :-(
    I have to disagree a bit. 4.0 tires and 80mm rims are fat enough for winter for many fat bikers. In Anchorage in the winter the majority of riders are riding that combination including quite a few on the new 190 bikes. It is all you need up here for most of our riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Deposit has been put down at LBS! Now the waiting game begins....
    I recommend seeing a hypnotist and asking to forget about the bike. It will make your summer more enjoyable and imagine your surprise when the LBS calls in the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spovegas View Post
    Just curious, because I'm in Spokane . . . which LBS?
    Went to Wheel Sport on Sullivan In Spokane valley. The guys were helpful and friendly. They had a fatboy built up with ground controls riding around the shop. First time I saw those tires in person, look sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I recommend seeing a hypnotist and asking to forget about the bike. It will make your summer more enjoyable and imagine your surprise when the LBS calls in the fall.
    I know!
    The only thing that will keep me sane is buying the parts in the meantime, finding deals etc. by the time the frame is ready I should have a nice pile of parts ready to go

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    Life's to short for skinny tires!!!

    Traction and suspension what a waste of time. Why did it take this long ? I can't wait. To stomp all skeptics, up and down the trails.

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    Video at link not fat bikes, but for all you folks with deposits on Buck Saws just imagine fatter wheels and the awesome shredding you'll be doing this fall/winter when they arrive.

    Silvia Video: Matt Hunter and All My Friends Are Sick - Pinkbike

    I apologize if this makes the wait harder.
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    Them dudes can ride!
    two wheel livin'..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I have to disagree a bit. 4.0 tires and 80mm rims are fat enough for winter for many fat bikers. In Anchorage in the winter the majority of riders are riding that combination including quite a few on the new 190 bikes. It is all you need up here for most of our riding.
    But the bike comes with Marge Lites which aren't 80mm wide.
    I wonder if there will be an option for that. I love my Moonlander with CS's and BFL's but they won't fit on he Bucksaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecanoe View Post
    But the bike comes with Marge Lites which aren't 80mm wide.
    I wonder if there will be an option for that. I love my Moonlander with CS's and BFL's but they won't fit on he Bucksaw.
    ML's are also plenty wide to conquer snow/sand.

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    Awesome vid, those guys were rockin the snow

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    bucksaw spotted at a trail local to me, and word on the street is they will have a few at the demo next weekend.

    hmmm...camping trip @ Levis next wknd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    bucksaw spotted at a trail local to me, and word on the street is they will have a few at the demo next weekend.

    hmmm...camping trip @ Levis next wknd?
    Are you speaking of Levis, if so isn't that Thursday and Friday? If the BS is going to be there we are coming over on Friday.

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    Yes, yes, and cool. I will be heading past your area to Crivitz that wknd.

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    This is great news, I was told that there wasn't going to be last week! If someone who goes today can verify this I will make the trip tomorrow! Thanx for the Tip Jon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post
    This is great news, I was told that there wasn't going to be last week! If someone who goes today can verify this I will make the trip tomorrow! Thanx for the Tip Jon!
    It's next week the 22nd and 23rd and I have not heard a confirmation yet if one will be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    It's next week the 22nd and 23rd and I have not heard a confirmation yet if one will be there.
    Thanks BDundee! It's a five hour drive for me so any and all info would be great! The guys at Art Doyles told me that they were told the bucksaw wont be out for demo until July. I hope we can get a taste before that though! Cheers!!

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    Even though driving that distance to ride Levis would be worth it, I would hate to cause any disapointment from my statement being false. Maybe a call to QBP might help clear things up?

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    Since I am planning on going to Levis next weekend, there may or may not be a BuckSaw to demo?

    Please say it's so.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Hey Guys I just called Salsa and inquired whether or not the bucksaw would be at Levis Mounds and Ben said NO DICE! Bummer ! The Bucksaw will not be at demo days until July is also what he told me. Oh well I can wait a few months. Sorry for the bad news!

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    Sounds like they are missing out on a big opportunity to get some Bucksaw hype going.

    dbags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Sounds like they are missing out on a big opportunity to get some Bucksaw hype going.

    dbags.
    I agree, let's show pics of this same bike on the same trails as the demo is being held on and then say it's not available. <a*href="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" title="Smiley"><img src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /></a>

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    Lol.
    I just want one already

    Been a bit lazy on the part searching, but ready to put it in gear.

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    Fat tastic bike! It does bug me that these guys produce such innovative and well thought out bikes, yet limit the dang thing to 3.8" tires. what's so hard about going with a full 4" tire spec on an innovative new release like this bucksaw!!!! 4" is so much better for the broadest riding conditions, yet would still allow one to run skinner tires if desired. I just don't get it... Still, I want one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalBikeman View Post
    Fat tastic bike! It does bug me that these guys produce such innovative and well thought out bikes, yet limit the dang thing to 3.8" tires. what's so hard about going with a full 4" tire spec on an innovative new release like this bucksaw!!!! 4" is so much better for the broadest riding conditions, yet would still allow one to run skinner tires if desired. I just don't get it... Still, I want one!
    Dude if it will fit a Nate 3.8 it will fit any 4.0 tire out right now.

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    Re: Salsa Cycles BUCKSAW FS Fat Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalBikeman View Post
    Fat tastic bike! It does bug me that these guys produce such innovative and well thought out bikes, yet limit the dang thing to 3.8" tires. what's so hard about going with a full 4" tire spec on an innovative new release like this bucksaw!!!! 4" is so much better for the broadest riding conditions, yet would still allow one to run skinner tires if desired. I just don't get it... Still, I want one!
    3.8" is 4". It's just labeling. Unless you are referring to the 5" tires such as Bud and Lou, which don't make sense at all for a full suspension bike, being even slower than the already pretty slow 4" tires.

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    (Edit: Oops! Wrong thread! Didn't plan to resurrect this one :P)

    Interesting thread! I've ordered a stock Bucksaw 1, and although weight saving isn't critical, I've seen two quick wins. First off I'll replace the saddle with a lighter (and prettier) Selle Italia SLR XC I've got stashed away. Second, I plan to try to convert the stock wheels to tubeless using this technique:

    I'm thinking about switching out the Nate tyres as well, since I find the rubber compound in these to be too hard for wet roots and rock, both of which we have in plenty supply here in Norway. Vee Rubber's fat tyres with silicone rubber are clear candidates. Possibly the 4.25" marked H-Billie, depending on actual rear tyre clearance on the Bucksaw: H-Billie | VEE Tire Co.

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    New details on the Salsa blog! Including geometry.

    Salsa Cycles

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    Right on! Thanks, asollie.

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    That is a masterful piece of marketing right there. I don't mean that in a negative way at all. Prior to reading this I was thinking, eh FS fatty who needs it. After reading it, wow it sounds like I NEED that bike, what am I missing by not having that bike in my quiver!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    That is a masterful piece of marketing right there. I don't mean that in a negative way at all. Prior to reading this I was thinking, eh FS fatty who needs it. After reading it, wow it sounds like I NEED that bike, what am I missing by not having that bike in my quiver!?!?!
    Once can never have to many Bikes in his quiver..
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    Got to see the Bucksaw in action yesterday at Snowbasin. The Valhelga tires are amazing! The QBP and 45nrth guys were super cool. Cheers!
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    I think this is a great advancement for the fat cause. Let me know when this thing grows up into a full fat bike. I already have a full suspension mnt bike with semi fat tires that will rip that thing a new one. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's way cool but I'm in it for the fat stuff. Biggest tire, biggest rim! I'm sure the production model will show up by next year. I ride mostly rock gardens at speed on my 9-0-7, Lefty, Bud/GC or Lou on Shoes. It's great but I need a little help in the back. Going down to a 3.8 tire on 80mm rims is too much like my 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I think this is a great advancement for the fat cause. Let me know when this thing grows up into a full fat bike. I already have a full suspension mnt bike with semi fat tires that will rip that thing a new one. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's way cool but I'm in it for the fat stuff. Biggest tire, biggest rim! I'm sure the production model will show up by next year. I ride mostly rock gardens at speed on my 9-0-7, Lefty, Bud/GC or Lou on Shoes. It's great but I need a little help in the back. Going down to a 3.8 tire on 80mm rims is too much like my 29er.
    If your semi fat will rip a bucksaw a new one, it will rip a 5" tire version an even bigger new one. As mentioned in the bucksaw literature Salsa has put out, there is a reason they designed it around 4"/65mm. It's a trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    If your semi fat will rip a bucksaw a new one, it will rip a 5" tire version an even bigger new one.
    You missed my point! Maybe I did a poor job of stating it. I already have a very fast full suspension bike with nobby tires. I don't need or want another. I am interested in obtaining a full fat full suspension bike.
    No doubt this bike is great but It's not different enough from my other full suspension bike to count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    You missed my point! Maybe I did a poor job of stating it. I already have a very fast full suspension bike with nobby tires. I don't need or want another. I am interested in obtaining a full fat full suspension bike.
    No doubt this bike is great but It's not different enough from my other full suspension bike to count.
    The bucksaw sounds like a purpose built machine and you're looking for more of a novelty.

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    No, same purpose, fast trail riding. I just like it on big tires and rims. There is no right or wrong here. I'm just saying that's what I prefer and I hope they will build one soon.
    Don't forget, I said I like the bike!

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    Well, the bluto is 5"/100mm compatible, so you could have your big tire up front at least. And 4"/82mm out back isn't exactly skinny now, especially when under an FS frame. You wouldnt be too far off from what you're looking for. A big, gnarly tire up front coupled with a lighter and faster rolling tire out back has been a very popular trend for fast trail bikes in the past, so you may be pleasantly surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Well, the bluto is 5"/100mm compatible, so you could have your big tire up front at least. And 4"/82mm out back isn't exactly skinny now, especially when under an FS frame. You wouldnt be too far off from what you're looking for. A big, gnarly tire up front coupled with a lighter and faster rolling tire out back has been a very popular trend for fast trail bikes in the past, so you may be pleasantly surprised.
    Right now the only offering is the Carver Trans Fat. It's not production. You have to order a frame and they make it with any dimensions you want. It can take Lou on a Shoe. I wouldn't need the bluto cause I love my Lefty. The draw back is the frame and shock is $3000.

    Sorry! Got off topic there. Carry on!

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    I was riding some pretty rocky trails at 9mile the other day on my 9zero7 (rigid w/ hudu & Knard on RD...sooo last year, I know!!) and was really thinking a bucksaw would be such a awesome bike to have on terrain I was riding. But I still had a blast on my old school rigid.

    I don't see any reason that a fully fatty couldn't be a 'one-bike-solution'. The only thing I would be nervous about is having a backup bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I don't see any reason that a fully fatty couldn't be a 'one-bike-solution'. The only thing I would be nervous about is having a backup bike.
    Have you seen my garage? No worries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Have you seen my garage? No worries!
    Sorry Trekmogul. All I remember is pvc and lefties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Sorry Trekmogul. All I remember is pvc and lefties.
    Your secret is out!

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    This is great to see some actual geometry details.... Looks like the lefty max is going to fit it pretty nicely...

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    After seeing the geometries and talking to the fitter at my shop, I'm going to stick with a medium. Salsa thinks I'd be between a small and a medium based on my height, but there's no way in hell that's gonna happen. Not with my gorilla arms. On just about every other mtb out there, I'm between a medium and a large. I just wish I could find a geometry chart for the old mtb I currently ride for comparison purposes. Finding geometry charts for 11yr old bikes is tough.

    Loved reading about the design considerations and the logic they used for some of the decisions they made for this bike. Definitely a "one bike to do it all" sort of thing, which works well for me. I'm thinking I'm going to turn my old FS into a steel HT as a 2nd bike. Frame age is really what's convincing me to buy something new at this point. So I'm thinking I'll just strip the old FS frame and sell it off, then keep the parts to put on a HT frame. It'll give me a second bike to use in case the Bucksaw is out of commission for service.

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    watching........

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    I Don't trust carbon stays.
    this is what happened the last time i road a bike with carbon stays:

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    I hope they come out with a cheaper version with AL everything further down the line.
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    Let me guess, just riding along.......*bam crack!*

    That is what frame warranty is for. The only FS rear triangle I've cracked was a '03 trek liquid, the aluminum chainstay cracked......funny the carbon seatstay held up just fine. Trek sent me a shiny '10 replacement.


    Looks like MTBR has some more info:
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