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    Salsa Carbon Beargrease First Ride

    I swung a leg over one Tuesday, and then again Wednesday. Here's some first ride thoughts...

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    It's going to be interesting watching fat bikes grow up. Talk to some people, and the only possible future for fatbikes is heavy steel adventure machines, talk to others and the future is lightweight trail bikes.

    Personally, I don't know, hope there's room for both and some spots in between for folks like me who don't want to commit to either end of the spectrum.

    After falling off a raised platform a couple weeks ago, I don't know if I'd want a carbon bike, but I gotta admit, it does look purty.

    That cassette looks positively insane.

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    Nice write-up. I personally like your dollar bill example for the size of the downtube. Haven't seen that anywhere yet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Nice write-up. I personally like your dollar bill example for the size of the downtube. Haven't seen that anywhere yet!
    Yeah, you know normally, I'd be using a Benjamin, but I'm tryin' to keep it real...

    But seriously, I like to give an example that you can relate to. My hand is different from your hand, and saying that it's 3.XYS inches wide is abstract. Everyone can envision a dollar bill.

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    As usual great write up.
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    I rode one about 10 miles - it's a damn big down tube. I'm glad that no one else attending the same demo that I did seemed visibly put off, because my bamboo frames of the future are going to have an enormous down tube also.

    Good review, lawfarm. My two cents:

    I agree, the bike is a rocket of a fat bike. Picking it up is an exercise in disbelief. The steering for summer riding - perfect. I got lucky that the M size fit me perfectly, I'm usually a fan of narrower alt bars but the cockpit worked awesome. The XX1 drivetrain muddied my opinions on drive trains (I hate derailleurs) as it worked really very well and was quiet.

    That said, I'm used to my front suspended fat bike - I'll take the lighter weight, and acknowledge that suspension will never get me as feather light as this bike. But I'm not going rigid for summer use again any time soon. This thing only got up to speed a bit faster than usual and I kept having to yell at myself to brake earlier going into corners, not only because I'd accelerated faster but because the front tire would be comparably skipping around choppy corners.
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    Was that build right at 26 lbs (Test Ride: Salsa Carbon Fat Bike | Gear Review | Gear Junkie), or do you think it was lighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooSteep View Post
    Was that build right at 26 lbs (Test Ride: Salsa Carbon Fat Bike | Gear Review | Gear Junkie), or do you think it was lighter?
    Don't know about lawfarm, but I didn't see a scale handy. So, I cannot answer objectively.

    Subjectively, it was WTF feeling. Like picking up an Appleman bike with fat tires on it.
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    Nice review But it seems my old Beargrease is now officially obsolete:



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    Quote Originally Posted by TooSteep View Post
    Was that build right at 26 lbs (Test Ride: Salsa Carbon Fat Bike | Gear Review | Gear Junkie), or do you think it was lighter?
    It had to have been lighter. The Spearfish I rode was 23.6 pounds, and subjectively, the Beargrease felt lighter. I didn't throw the Beargrease on a scale (d'oh), but will do so in a couple weeks when I see mine show up.

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    Gorgeous bike! Great review!
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    I rode one last weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it...
    Only thing was it was an XL and felt too small for me.
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    Heading out to buy a lottery ticket right now... I feel a little choked up about Salsa, man they deserve to sell the beelzebub out of that bike, it's a beauty. Curse you for writing about it, I was trying to ignore it! Must keep head. in. Sand.

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    Hey, hold on a sec... 23.6 lb Spearfish? Dang that's an XC weapon...tell all on 29er thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by montana_ben View Post
    Hey, hold on a sec... 23.6 lb Spearfish? Dang that's an XC weapon...tell all on 29er thread?
    I haven't gotten to writing anything beyond the split pivot review for the Spearfish, but yeah. Bone stock, 23.6 pounds with XX1.

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    Ah yes, I see--I managed to scroll down past the beargrease centerfold pics...thanks for the write-ups!

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    I'm having a hard time understanding the article. There are a lot of references to a Mukluk or Pugsley. Is that what the author is comparing the carbon Beargrease with?

    For example.. The weight between the alu. Beargrease and the carbon Beargrease is actually fairly close, but the article seems to say it is a revolutionary difference?

    I think I'm missing something.

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    Salsa Carbon Beargrease First Ride

    I asked my lbs to put the lower-spec carbon Beargrease on the scale. 28 lbs. I'm sure the XX1 version is lighter, but it's not a 4-pound difference.

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    Re: Salsa Carbon Beargrease First Ride

    Yeah, the frame weight isn't drastically different either. Borealis takes the win on lightest fat bike at 21.9 lbs, that's with carbon rims.
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    That's a beautiful review! I think it's ready to go paperback. Awesome use of photos.

    Thanks. :-)

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    Anyone know what the geometry is on this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tor View Post
    Anyone know what the geometry is on this bike?
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    Thanks! Checked the website two days ago and couldn't find anything. I think I'm blind:-) or the website have been updated.

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    I wonder if weight can be lost the same way the previous bear grease could lose weight. Example: lighter tubes, etc.

    I'm more interested in ride quality and I think that thru axles are a great start.

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    Not going to lie, but a bit sad its only got a 27.2 seat post i like using a dropper on my on one fatty makes it much more trail/chuckable on singletrack.
    still loverly though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat on a bike View Post
    Not going to lie, but a bit sad its only got a 27.2 seat post i like using a dropper on my on one fatty makes it much more trail/chuckable on singletrack.
    still loverly though.
    I love dropper posts too. There are 27.2 options available, my favorite post (KS Lev) is now available in that size. The most functional-in-cold-weather post, the Gravity Dropper, is easily available 27.2 and has been for some time.
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    I know but still a shame, spesh with such a thick seat tube anyway it's got a 35 mm seat clamp. It is still a lovely looking bike though lol.

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    Another customer of NCC! They treat me better than any of my local LBS. Hence why I drive 70 miles to them for a new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43st View Post
    I'm having a hard time understanding the article. There are a lot of references to a Mukluk or Pugsley. Is that what the author is comparing the carbon Beargrease with?

    For example.. The weight between the alu. Beargrease and the carbon Beargrease is actually fairly close, but the article seems to say it is a revolutionary difference?

    I think I'm missing something.
    I don't have a frame of reference to compare to a carbon Borealis...I am comparing to fatbikes that I have ridden. The geometry has the 'mountain bike' feel of a Pugsley, as compared to the more relaxed Mukluk feel. The weight reduction from the last year's aluminum Beargrease to this year's carbon Beargrease is pretty substantial. The handling and feel difference is pretty substantial, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReXTless View Post
    I asked my lbs to put the lower-spec carbon Beargrease on the scale. 28 lbs. I'm sure the XX1 version is lighter, but it's not a 4-pound difference.
    I'll be curious to throw an XX1 on a scale. The stock wheels are marginally lighter (annodized vs. powdercoating), the brakes are marginally lighter, the seatpost and bars are lighter, and the drivetrain is substantially lighter.

    HED's carbon rim'd version comes in at 22 pounds, with tubes. I'm guessing the stock version is probably right around 24.

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    Anyone know if this bike will be avaible as a frame only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tor View Post
    Anyone know if this bike will be avaible as a frame only?
    Yes, the carbon BG will be offered in a Frame/fork combo.
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    Not sure if this is new or not but I had to change frame size as it appears Salsa has updated there sizing chart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNBN View Post
    Not sure if this is new or not but I had to change frame size as it appears Salsa has updated there sizing chart?
    Are you basing your need to change frame size by the sizing chart, or have you been able to test ride the bike? I tested one at a demo and my typical size frame (XL) felt fine with the Beargrease.
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    Having been looking at these and really thinking of pulling the plug on one I'm just would've ring about sizing?? Spesh after this comment on page one!! I rode one last weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it...
    Only thing was it was an XL and felt too small for me.
    It's got a 640mm top tube = 25.4 inches how tall are you how do they size up as there is no demo's available in the uk that I can find so far anywhere near me. I'm 6.3 about 191cm. Any help from you guy would be great.
    Bats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onepivot View Post
    Are you basing your need to change frame size by the sizing chart, or have you been able to test ride the bike? I tested one at a demo and my typical size frame (XL) felt fine with the Beargrease.
    When I first ordered the bike they told me to use the 2013 bear grease sizing guideline. This put me right in the sweet spot on a large frame.
    Now posted on there website is a totally different size chart that puts me in the top end of a medium frame but definitely not a large. Wish I could test ride one but no such luck. Sounds like there is no issue changing size but there certainly not letting out any information as to when they will start shipping?

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    I'm 6'2" and the XL felt fine. You're only an inch taller but maybe your torso/legs ratio is different. If the XL feels small maybe you could try a lay-back seatpost. I don't know how long the stem is on an XL bike but you could try a longer stem as well.
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    Is there web site right? Over 29 inches standover height for a medium frame.
    I'd love to get one but that's too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majack View Post
    Yes, the carbon BG will be offered in a Frame/fork combo.
    I think it is frame/fork/hubs...

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    I just ordered a Beargrease XX1.
    I hope to get it around Thanksgiving, It's already starting to snow here.
    Last edited by Rock dude; 10-15-2013 at 06:05 PM.

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    Salsa Carbon Beargrease First Ride

    Makes me tempted to sell both my mukluk and anthem for one. Then again have two is always nice


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    I think it is frame/fork/hubs...
    Yes Law, it is frame, fork and hubs. I just forgot to add the hubs in when I posted.
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    I hope I am wrong Rock Dude, but better plan on December/January for delivery unless you bought from a shop that did a HUGE pre-season order early!


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    You aren't giving me much hope Mike. I don't want to wait that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyonthemadone View Post
    I hope I am wrong Rock Dude, but better plan on December/January for delivery unless you bought from a shop that did a HUGE pre-season order early!


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    I called Salsa and spoke to Brian, he gave me a couple of dealers that have ordered a lot of them. I was lucky enough to find a medium that had not been sold.
    It's true that all of the first batch has been sold and the second batch won't be available until at least December/January.

    Special thanks to Brian @ Salsa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barefoot40 View Post
    You aren't giving me much hope Mike. I don't want to wait that long.
    Check out Freewheel Bike in Eden Prairie Minnesota, I think they may have 1 large left.
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    Did he say when they would be arriving or shipping out to the dealers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnymac View Post
    Did he say when they would be arriving or shipping out to the dealers?
    Salsa told me the dealers should have them around Thanksgiving.

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    Our shop will have a large and a medium and X9 build that are not spoken for yet.

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    I got a call from the shop that I ordered my Beargrease from and they received it yesterday. They got it a lot sooner than I thought they would.
    Now I having them order a dropper post and build a extra front wheel (Clown shoe, hope hub with a Bud).
    I guess I dropped the ball and should have ordered the dropper and front wheel sooner now they have to wait to get the parts before they can ship me the bike.
    That's alright I will still get it before my birthday, Thanksgiving day.
    I'm very excited, we are starting to get some snow here.

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