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    Yes, the 80mm is ideal with only 0.5 degree slacker head angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Yes, the 80mm is ideal with only 0.5 degree slacker head angle.
    Wouldn't it be about the same as the stock fork after sag? Of coarse that's if you are not including the stack height of a external lower cup.

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    Yes, except the Bluto has a 51mm offset
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Yes, except the Bluto has a 51mm offset
    But fork rake or trail does not affect the actual head angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    But fork rake or trail does not affect the actual head angle.
    But changing the fork offset changes the trail.

    The real question is whether the fork crown will clear the down tube.
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    Sure it does
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Sure it does
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    But changing the fork offset changes the trail.
    This I know because you teached it to me
    and the trail does not affect the head tube angle because you teached me that as well.

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    Think of it this way: every frame design includes the dimension of a specific fork, regardless of the brand. Our 29ers, for example, are designed with the dimensions of a FOX 34 Float 130mm and of course we take into account sag and headset lower cup. Any deviations from that might potentially change the geometry even ever so slightly. If you use 110mm fork, it will steepen the HA and lower the BBH. If you use 150mm, it will slacken the HA and raise the BBH. Also, the FOX 34 we use has 51mm offset, if you use another fork or the same with a different offset, example 46mm, this will steepen your HA.
    This is the same thing here with our Mayor, the fork is rigid 468mm A to C and 45mm offset. You are right, The Bluto, with 20% sag, sits at 471mm, but it's the offset that causes the 0.5 degree slacker. And yes, the fork crown clears the down tube.
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    Got my eyes on The Mayor last weekend nice looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Think of it this way: every frame design includes the dimension of a specific fork, regardless of the brand. Our 29ers, for example, are designed with the dimensions of a FOX 34 Float 130mm and of course we take into account sag and headset lower cup. Any deviations from that might potentially change the geometry even ever so slightly. If you use 110mm fork, it will steepen the HA and lower the BBH. If you use 150mm, it will slacken the HA and raise the BBH. Also, the FOX 34 we use has 51mm offset, if you use another fork or the same with a different offset, example 46mm, this will steepen your HA.
    This is the same thing here with our Mayor, the fork is rigid 468mm A to C and 45mm offset. You are right, The Bluto, with 20% sag, sits at 471mm, but it's the offset that causes the 0.5 degree slacker. And yes, the fork crown clears the down tube.
    Well there goes my months of research into fork offsets and their direct effect on head tube angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Also, the FOX 34 we use has 51mm offset, if you use another fork or the same with a different offset, example 46mm, this will steepen your HA.
    Actually it will slacken the head angle, but not by enough to even worry about. Less than 1mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Well there goes my months of research into fork offsets and their direct effect on head tube angle.
    Ignore it, it is just plain wrong. If there is no change in the AXLE to crown distance, there is no significant change in the HTA. Varying the tire pressure could make more of a change.

    It takes about a 17mm change in A-C to change the HTA by 1 degree.

    If anything, the greater offset of the Bluto would cancel out the minor difference in A-C length (though just by being a suspension fork the A-C/HTA is always changing).
    What DOES change is the trail.
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    my apologies for using the wrong terminology. it is the trail that changes, not the HA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    my apologies for using the wrong terminology. it is the trail that changes, not the HA
    Odd mistake to make when trail is not measured in degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    my apologies for using the wrong terminology. it is the trail that changes, not the HA
    The head angle does change, just not enough to matter in this application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Yes, the 80mm is ideal with only 0.5 degree slacker head angle.
    If one was to swap out the carbon fork for a RS Bluto would it void the frame warranty?

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    How would this bike be for bike packing ? And has anyone had luck with a two ring set up on the front? I'm a noob deciding between this and upgrading a black muk 3.

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    2015 are out. Glad I waited.

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    Ya but it's got one of them forks that moves with rider/trail input. No bueno.

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    Complete bikes
    1x10 and Carbon Fork $1949 MSRP
    1x11 and Carbon Fork $2399 MSRP
    1x10 and Bluto $2399 MSRP
    1x11 and Bluto $2799 MSRP

    Frame/Fork combo
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    I'm digging the blue

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    RSD Bikes "The Mayor"-10525593_553805744728643_3095569300353938504_n.jpg

    Looks like Raw is coming too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Complete bikes
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    1x10 and Bluto $2399 MSRP
    1x11 and Bluto $2799 MSRP

    Frame/Fork combo
    Carbon Fork $799 MSRP
    Bluto Fork $1099 MSRP

    Any reason why bluto frame/fork is only $300 price diff. But on a complete bike it's $450 diff?

    The Mayor was at the very top of my list last fall at $1799. But with the price hike and increased competition, this bike has fallen to 5-6 on my list now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Any reason why bluto frame/fork is only $300 price diff. But on a complete bike it's $450 diff?

    The Mayor was at the very top of my list last fall at $1799. But with the price hike and increased competition, this bike has fallen to 5-6 on my list now.
    Have to wait for the build specs I guess. At 1100 bucks is a good price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Have to wait for the build specs I guess. At 1100 bucks is a good price.
    With these Chinese Carbon frame/forks coming in at around $550 USD, i'm guessing a frame-only can likely be had for around $425-$450. Add a $650 bluto and you have a sub-$1100 Carbon frame/Bluto combo.

    These frames do look really nice though. And developed by a company in my backyard that tested the bike on my home trails.

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    We added some extra value into our complete bikes, but kept the price unchanged.
    It will now come with Snowshoe XL 4.8, instead of the regular Snowshoe which measured around 4.2. We are also changing the saddle in favour of the WTB Volt. It will also come with RF Strafe grips, instead of the Half Nelson
    Full rack mounts front and rear
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    Re: RSD Bikes "The Mayor"

    I got mine pre-ordered with Bluto. . Alex has been excellent to deal with and has answered any of my questions quickly and professionally. I am more than willing to support a small Canadian company offering a very competitive package to the larger companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    We added some extra value into our complete bikes, but kept the price unchanged.
    It will not come with Snowshoe XL 4.8,...
    Was that supposed to say it will NOW come with the Snowshoe XL?
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    Oops, that is correct. It will come with the Snowshoe XL.
    Thank you
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    Is the only change from 2014 to 2015 the slightly wider rear triangle? Nothing on the head angle or head tube?
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    correct, just a few mm extra for better tire clearance. Rack mounts front and rear, which wasn't there on V1, WTB Volt saddle, RF Strafe coloured grips, Snowshoe XL 4.8 and 2 new frame colours (Raw and Blue). The head tube will be slightly longer to 150mm and no changes the already perfect head angle.
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    Any of your Toronto dealers have the 2015's in stock now? Any new dealers east end of Toronto? I live 10 min. from Durham Forest, but closest dealer to me is at least 50km's away.

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    I would recommend contacting your LBS and placing the order through them. The full 2015 line up will be available in October. We only have 2015 black 1x10 bikes available right now in size large and XL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    I would recommend contacting your LBS and placing the order through them. The full 2015 line up will be available in October. We only have 2015 black 1x10 bikes available right now in size large and XL
    Thanks for the feedback. But I have no plans to buy one sight unseen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krzysiekmz View Post
    +1

    If I ever end up buying any complete bike in person I would like to see it and test ride it. Are there any places that one can do that with RSD bikes?

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    I think their dealer in Cambridge had a couple of each sizes last season. But that's about 1.5hrs away from me.
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    If I ever end up buying any complete bike in person I would like to see it and test ride it. Are there any places that one can do that with RSD bikes?

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    It doesn't matter what I ride as long as I ride it Rubber Side Down●~●.

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    Thing is they have none is stock.

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    I'm running Mulefut 82mm rims and have plenty of clearance for 4.7" tires. More clearance for next year means room for 5.0 tires, right

    Also, I have a medium The Mayor if anyone needs to see one in person in the Anchorage area. Will offer test rides for a good microbrew. Ordered the frame through Cyclepath in Portland, OR.

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    RSD Bikes "The Mayor"-10411728_576990299076854_3991514959361257070_n.jpgRSD Bikes "The Mayor"-10542977_576990215743529_4535250368237733008_n.jpg

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    lookin good!

    nice that they're sporting the seat tube to top tube carry like a suitcase thingy that mikesee invented. wonder if he gets royalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    lookin good!

    nice that they're sporting the seat tube to top tube carry like a suitcase thingy that mikesee invented. wonder if he gets royalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Now that was funny!!

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    At a bike shop nearby the 2014 mayor is $1450 whereas the 2014 fatboy expert is $2200.. It shouldn't be a tough call, but any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d34nclub View Post
    At a bike shop nearby the 2014 mayor is $1450 whereas the 2014 fatboy expert is $2200.. It shouldn't be a tough call, but any suggestions?
    Do like I did and get The Mayor.
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    Hehe, I think I would stupid not too.. I just hope they still have one in L in stock when I get up there after work. Hope to try out a couple though around the parking lot, but that is a great deal. U tried a Fatboy Rocky?

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    Ya just get the RSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d34nclub View Post
    Hehe, I think I would stupid not too.. I just hope they still have one in L in stock when I get up there after work. Hope to try out a couple though around the parking lot, but that is a great deal. U tried a Fatboy Rocky?
    No I have not. The LBS will not let you test it. Looked at it hard if they would of had a good riser bar in stock I would have got one. Glad they didn't now.
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