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    Pugsley Front Suspension - Maverick SC 32

    Hi everyone, I am thinking of getting a Maverick 32 to provide suspension for my stock Pugsley (which i am really enjoying btw). I have a few questions:

    1) verify that the Maverick SC 32 will work with the pugsley.

    2) Identify any modifications or additional parts or componenets that need to be installed

    3) Identify if I definitely need a new hub (the Maverick hub) or if there's a way to do it with the existing stock pugsley hub

    4) Identify what else may need to be changed, like disc brakes or anything with the stem

    5) take into account any suggesitons or ideas or consideratiosn from folks who have done this.

    6) Understand whether there may be better, cheaper, easier front suspension options.

    Also, is this somehting I coudl do in my garage or should I have the local shop do the work. I am fairly handy generally but defintily not a mechanic or craftsman.

    Thanks in advance everyone for the thoughts.

    Anthony
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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    Hi everyone, I am thinking of getting a Maverick 32 to provide suspension for my stock Pugsley (which i am really enjoying btw). I have a few questions:

    1) verify that the Maverick SC 32 will work with the pugsley.

    2) Identify any modifications or additional parts or componenets that need to be installed

    3) Identify if I definitely need a new hub (the Maverick hub) or if there's a way to do it with the existing stock pugsley hub

    4) Identify what else may need to be changed, like disc brakes or anything with the stem

    5) take into account any suggesitons or ideas or consideratiosn from folks who have done this.

    6) Understand whether there may be better, cheaper, easier front suspension options.

    Also, is this somehting I coudl do in my garage or should I have the local shop do the work. I am fairly handy generally but defintily not a mechanic or craftsman.

    Thanks in advance everyone for the thoughts.

    Anthony
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    1/2) you need the 29er version or install the 29er spacers in the 26" SC 32.

    3) you need to build a new wheel with a new hub. The Hope Pro II is a good option.

    4/5) need a "front" mounting bracket for the caliper. I think the SC32 is taller than the stock fork so you are raising the front end. May want to flip the stem or get a different stem to maintain bar height. The longer fork also slackens the frame angles and will change the handling. May need to move the saddle forward a bit.

    6) no other options.
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    thanks, Shiggy. if I were to use the same rim and tires, how much total effort do you think the transition woudl be? And what's a reasonable price for a bike shop to charge?

    Also, you recommend the Hope Pro 2 over the Maverick hub?

    thx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    Hi everyone, I am thinking of getting a Maverick 32 to provide suspension for my stock Pugsley (which i am really enjoying btw). I have a few questions:

    1) verify that the Maverick SC 32 will work with the pugsley.

    2) Identify any modifications or additional parts or componenets that need to be installed

    3) Identify if I definitely need a new hub (the Maverick hub) or if there's a way to do it with the existing stock pugsley hub

    4) Identify what else may need to be changed, like disc brakes or anything with the stem

    5) take into account any suggesitons or ideas or consideratiosn from folks who have done this.

    6) Understand whether there may be better, cheaper, easier front suspension options.

    Also, is this somehting I coudl do in my garage or should I have the local shop do the work. I am fairly handy generally but defintily not a mechanic or craftsman.

    Thanks in advance everyone for the thoughts.

    Anthony
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    1. Yes. Several members here have SC32 forks on their Pugsleys.

    2. As Shiggy said, get the 29er version or add the 29er spacers to a 26" version to limit travel.

    3. Yes. I would go with the Maverick hub. Other manufacturer's "Maverick compatible" hubs are generally just their standard 20 mm thru axle hub with a conversion kit to make it fit the 24 mm Maverick dropouts. There have been reports of fork dropout failure caused by using other manufacturer's hubs, Hope specifically- there is a thread on here somewhere that goes into great detail about it, which can be found by searching. The Maverick hub also has wider spoke flange spacing than any of the aftermarket offerings, which theoretically makes for a stronger wheel build.

    4. Depends what fork/rim you currently have on your bike. Since you say "stock Pugsley", I'm assuming you have the 135 mm offset fork. If that is the case, you will need a front brake caliper adapter, and also a new rim with centered spoke drilling. If you use the Maverick hub, and depending on what brakes you have, you may also need to switch to a 185 mm rotor (and appropriate caliper adapter) to allow the caliper to clear the spokes, due to the Maverick hub's wide flange spacing.

    5. The Maverick fork will be about 30 mm taller than the stock fork (taking sag into account). This will change the handling of the bike somewhat. As Shiggy said, you may need to play with stem length and saddle position to get it where you like it. Also, remember that the SC32 has a lock-down "climbing" mode, so if you use that when going up hills the Pugs won't feel like so much of a chopper.

    6. There are some other options, but none are cheaper or easier than the SC32.

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    2) you will also need a headset with a 5mm+ lower race to prevent the fork hitting your downtube.

    Example :- http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=11258

    7) for full cush, you may also wish to consider a Thudbuster seatpost
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    2) you will also need a headset with a 5mm+ lower race to prevent the fork hitting your downtube.

    Example :- http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=11258

    7) for full cush, you may also wish to consider a Thudbuster seatpost
    The headset is slightly cheaper from Jenson
    http://jensonusa.com/store/product/H...s+Headset.aspx

    I will concede the hub reccos to the others
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    thanks again, guys. Yes, I do thave the stock offset fork ont he pugs.

    For the front brake caliper adapter, how much do they run?

    I am trying to identify the potential total. it looks like:
    1) Fork 600
    2) Hub 150
    3) headset 50
    4) Caliper adapter ???
    5) local bike shop labor ???

    I've been looking for a used maverick but no luck so far...

    thanks again for any thoughts.

    Anthony
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    I have contacted them a few weeks ago, and they dont have them anymore...
    I guess some people/companys don't update their stock info.

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    thanks, Dr. FeelyGood. i forgot to cost out the new rim, as well.... Is that about $100?

    thx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    thanks, Dr. FeelyGood. i forgot to cost out the new rim, as well.... Is that about $100?

    thx,
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    http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/26_inch_...rims/c518.html

    http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/26_inch_rear_rims/c25.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    UK only shipping?
    I usually have the OPPOSITE problem ! USA shipping ONLY!

    I find a polite Email enquiry will usually achieve the desired result regarding overseas postage
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    Sorry about the hubs being out of stock guys

    I `find` this a good tool when looking for stuff :-

    http://www.thefind.com/search?query=surly+rim+26

    Depends what rim you want as you can run upto 80mm rims with an SC32, BUT it MUST be 32h to run with the Maverick hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    7) for full cush, you may also wish to consider a Thudbuster seatpost


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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    thanks again, guys. Yes, I do thave the stock offset fork ont he pugs.

    For the front brake caliper adapter, how much do they run?

    I am trying to identify the potential total. it looks like:
    1) Fork 600
    2) Hub 150
    3) headset 50
    4) Caliper adapter ???
    5) local bike shop labor ???

    I've been looking for a used maverick but no luck so far...

    thanks again for any thoughts.

    Anthony
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    Caliper adapters are cheap, like fifteen bucks. You can also skip the Plus 5 headset and just put some sort of protection on the downtube (adhesive rubber padding, ect.) Each has a downside- the tall headset jacks the front of the bike up more and adds expense, but if you crashed hard enough the fork or frame could be damaged even with protection in place.

    Rim cost depends on what you want. If you want another Large Marge, probably $100 to $150, depending where you get it and if you want the XC or the DH version.

    Labor, I don't know, as I do my own work. Call your local shop and ask what they would charge for building a wheel and swapping a fork and headset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    thanks, Dr. FeelyGood. i forgot to cost out the new rim, as well.... Is that about $100?

    thx,
    Anthony


    They are more like $160, got mine for $140. You may get lucky on ebay.

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    Of course for that much money, you could buy another Pug as a singlespeed and have twice the fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    Hi everyone, I am thinking of getting a Maverick 32 to provide suspension for my stock Pugsley (which i am really enjoying btw). I have a few questions:

    6) Understand whether there may be better, cheaper, easier front suspension options.
    Writeup of my vintage manitou fat front suspension conversion is at;
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...50#post8180150

    It definilty works and was cheap but I would hesitate to claim it was in any way better or easier.

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    Gray Jay, thanks, Bud! I did see and read a few times your thread! I was actually trying to find a Manitou, but have not yet had any luck. If you have any suggestiosn on where to source one, please let me know!

    Also, a few other questions:
    1) Where did you get the aluminum for the custom cut out you did for the brakes? And did you need a special blade on the jigsaw?
    2) Any suggestions for getting the springs and other longer bolts used in the fork? Woudl a local shop have/ be able to order these or would I need to get them from an old shock? If old shock, any suggesitons as to the best candidate?
    3) For the longer stanchions, do you have any specifics on what model fork they came from? Seems like these are critical, and I might have a harder time finding them. (I am still new to mountain biking, so sorry if this is a silly question.)
    4) With the different rim, what is the width of the Larry? Is it the same, as say on a Large Marge or is it narrower becasue of the narrower rim?
    5) What is the total travel? Almost 4"?

    If it's easier to call me, please do so.

    thanks agian for sharing the results of the project! Awesome ingenuity! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by antpal01 View Post
    Gray Jay, thanks, Bud! I did see and read a few times your thread! I was actually trying to find a Manitou, but have not yet had any luck. If you have any suggestiosn on where to source one, please let me know!Anthony
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    Anthony-
    I posted a reply over in my original thread...
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    thanks again, Gray Jay. Appreciate the insight!

    Anthony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/maver...tem158660.html
    I have contacted them a few weeks ago, and they dont have them anymore...
    I guess some people/companys don't update their stock info.
    Odd.
    Mine was purchased from them on July 8th. Just arrived today (mail to Canada: Canada Post still getting up to speed after a lockout/strike).
    Their listing now says zero stock. Maybe correct, maybe not.
    Contact David A. at JEJames to confirm availability?
    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Odd.
    Mine was purchased from them on July 8th. Just arrived today (mail to Canada: Canada Post still getting up to speed after a lockout/strike).
    Their listing now says zero stock. Maybe correct, maybe not.
    Contact David A. at JEJames to confirm availability?
    Good luck!
    Damn...
    I have just send them an email asking them what 's up with this.

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