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    Predictions for 2018

    29+ full suspension from trek
    29+ hodag tire from bontrager
    29 x 3.5 tire from surly
    24x6.0 tire from surly “front specific”
    24x5.2 tire from surly “front or rear application”
    a new surly fatbike designed around super fat 24” x 80mm wheels
    a forward thinking shimano drivetrain
    onyx drops hub prices to compete directly with dt swiss
    disc brakes that don’t squeal
    a rear shock from lauf

    anyone else have any predictions?

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    I’m all for bigger, fatter tires whatever size they may be.

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    25"x6.5" tires.....
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    A rear shock from Lauf? That would be interesting. Imagine the pogo-stick that frame would become.
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    "Modern Trail Geometry" will be renamed "Downhill Suspension Geometry" and market forces will no longer push frame designers to spoil rigid hardtails with excessively slack angles for a suspension fork that never is going to get fitted.

    The 6" tyre will arrive, and everyone who wanted one will complain about its excessive price, and then after purchase complain about the lack of flotation in powder snow.

    Gearbox bikes like the Pinion will become popular with the adventure bike set who will then be impoverished and unable to afford an adventure.

    A new wheel diameter of 36" is introduced to allow fitment of the new Shimano FourPi 18 speed cassette with 11/79 cogs and 4 speed front 23/67. It will have a custom chain pitch of 12.5663706mm, and the special feature of every cog being a prime number to even out chain wear.

    Stem cell technology will allow the growth of new body parts, and this is seized on by professional mountainbikers who get extra thumbs attached so they can operate all the little levers for their dropper posts, lockouts, derailleurs, etc.

    Single speed retro grouches will not notice any of the above advances and continue to ride their bikes anywhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    The 6" tyre will arrive, and everyone who wanted one will complain about its excessive price, and then after purchase complain about the lack of flotation in powder snow.

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    You left out that people will complain that these tires self steer below 1.3697 PSI while riding on pavement

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    Moooooorreeee B fat tire and rim options
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    "Modern Trail Geometry" will be renamed "Downhill Suspension Geometry" and market forces will no longer push frame designers to spoil rigid hardtails with excessively slack angles for a suspension fork that never is going to get fitted.

    The 6" tyre will arrive, and everyone who wanted one will complain about its excessive price, and then after purchase complain about the lack of flotation in powder snow.

    Gearbox bikes like the Pinion will become popular with the adventure bike set who will then be impoverished and unable to afford an adventure.

    A new wheel diameter of 36" is introduced to allow fitment of the new Shimano FourPi 18 speed cassette with 11/79 cogs and 4 speed front 23/67. It will have a custom chain pitch of 12.5663706mm, and the special feature of every cog being a prime number to even out chain wear.

    Stem cell technology will allow the growth of new body parts, and this is seized on by professional mountainbikers who get extra thumbs attached so they can operate all the little levers for their dropper posts, lockouts, derailleurs, etc.

    Single speed retro grouches will not notice any of the above advances and continue to ride their bikes anywhere...
    That is funny, and partially, quite likely to happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    A rear shock from Lauf? That would be interesting. Imagine the pogo-stick that frame would become.
    Thought the same thing.

    45nrth or one of the other Q brands will come out with 27.5 bfat tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    A new wheel diameter of 36" is introduced to ...
    Already here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Westy View Post
    I meant fat, but thanks for the link. They look great.
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    It really is mind boggling to see all the cool stuff out in the last few years

    We sure are spoiled

    Agreed, a Fat Pike of Fat Fox would be cool

    We really could use more 29 x 2.6 and 29 x 2.8 tires also. Seems like 27.5 got all the love there.

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    Prediction: a slow deflation of the fatbike bubble (i.e. not much new or innovative).

    Want: a studded ~4.6 tire with good deep snow traction that I don't have to sell a kidney to afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobShort View Post
    Prediction: a slow deflation of the fatbike bubble (i.e. not much new or innovative).

    Want: a studded ~4.6 tire with good deep snow traction that I don't have to sell a kidney to afford.
    Get a wrathchild, good stuff. Mine was $ 200 @ REI with a 20% off coupon, should last 5 years or so.

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    36 spoke wheels will make a comeback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Get a wrathchild, good stuff. Mine was $ 200 @ REI with a 20% off coupon, should last 5 years or so.
    They look like a nice tire but in Canada they go for $350 a pop. I can order online from REI but after shipping, duty, tax, exchange a pair of tires is still going to be $600.

    I guess the real problem is I haven't figured out how to sell the "honey I'd like to spend $600+ on a set of bike tires" conversion.

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    well its been a while since we've gotten a new hub spacing "standard"...

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    I'm all in for a new wheel size.
    It's been a while

    And their Plus

    a 36'' a 750 , a 800 and then a 36 Plus , 750 plus and 800 Plus
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    I’d be up for extra body parts, but one thumb per hand is plenty; I’d take a extra set of arms.

    Fat bike bubble? I don’t think there is one, it’s just a bike format these days, probably not gonna change much either direction.

    I think we’ll get a couple more full suspension fat bikes, perhaps from the likes of big S.

    Definitely gonna see more integrated ebike stuff, for what that’s worth.

    6” tires, hmm, gonna need a new hub standard, oh boy!

    I’d be surprised if Fox or SRAM gave it up for another fat bike fork, but ya never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    well its been a while since we've gotten a new hub spacing "standard"...
    NOooooo!! No more hub sizes, please.

    A 6" tire will be fine on a 197 run 1x.

    If not, a dt 350 big ride 197 but w SS freehub that would fit 6 cogs or so. That'd be plenty of ratio running a 6" tire.
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    6" 29er tires and pinion gearbox frame to go with it. Cause that makes the most sense. More gears, more float, more grip and they can charge us more for it. Win win situation.

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    I'd take a pinion, but it's gotta be mounted on the right frame... you know what I like, no need to say it

    How about an fat ebike with a hand operated clutch?

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    - 27.5 x 4.8 Tire(s)
    - A roadie motor converted to have more torque and easily slips into seat tube and bottom bracket.
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    I'd settle for a genuine 5 inch tire with stud pockets, something like a maxxis colossus with stud inserts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    NOooooo!! No more hub sizes, please.

    A 6" tire will be fine on a 197 run 1x.

    If not, a dt 350 big ride 197 but w SS freehub that would fit 6 cogs or so. That'd be plenty of ratio running a 6" tire.
    Yep, that’s what I was thinking. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the European OEMs does this first as they seem to be leading the way towards fatter tires. The US market seems content to be stalled out at 4.8” and trending towards faster, lighter, racier bikes with lower profile, skinnier fat bike tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    A 6" tire will be fine on a 197 run 1x.

    No. At least not with anything resembling an acceptable chainline.

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    I’d love more suspension fork options from Rock Shock and Fox.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    No. At least not with anything resembling an acceptable chainline.
    On the topic of hub width, any reason why you went with a 217 custom hub on the merriwether vs offsetting a 197 hub 10mm? Just curious. It is a sweet looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobShort View Post
    They look like a nice tire but in Canada they go for $350 a pop. I can order online from REI but after shipping, duty, tax, exchange a pair of tires is still going to be $600.

    I guess the real problem is I haven't figured out how to sell the "honey I'd like to spend $600+ on a set of bike tires" conversion.
    I bought a set of 4.5 Gnarwhals online with 20% coupon for $96 each. Studded myself for $30 each. Set for $250ish,only suckers pay retail.

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    Surly will make something in steel and not give a crap what the rest of the industry is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    No. At least not with anything resembling an acceptable chainline.
    Unless you run an IGH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Surly will make something in steel and not give a crap what the rest of the industry is doing.
    While there is always a market for a steel bike, they still need to produce what people want and lately they've not exactly been setting the fatbike market on fire or been particularly innovative.

    https://surlybikes.com/blog/the_state_of_surly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    "Modern Trail Geometry" will be renamed "Downhill Suspension Geometry"....
    If you think those two are the same thing you're clearly confused. Or something.
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    Direct sale bicycles will gradually take over the new bike market, forcing many LBS to close the doors. As a result, bike owners will be forced to rely on Youtube to learn bike maintenance.

    This transition will not be without problems as many less mechanically inclined home bike mechanics will be confounded by basic bike maintenance issues, as a result they will blame the product, unleashing a backlash of negative feedback on direct sale bike sellers for not supporting their products.

    Go figure

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    I think Surly is going to gradually shift their production to branded clothing, giving up the low margins of bike sales for high margins of clothing sales.

    This makes excellent business sense, they certainly have a following of people who like to have a Surly in their garage, even if it doesn't get used :0

    Clothing branded with SURLY informs the general public that you are unique, just like the brand you support. Yup, clothing, it's certainly Surly's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfat View Post
    While there is always a market for a steel bike, they still need to produce what people want and lately they've not exactly been setting the fatbike market on fire or been particularly innovative.

    https://surlybikes.com/blog/the_state_of_surly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Direct sale bicycles will gradually take over the new bike market, forcing many LBS to close the doors. As a result, bike owners will be forced to rely on Youtube to learn bike maintenance.

    This transition will not be without problems as many less mechanically inclined home bike mechanics will be confounded by basic bike maintenance issues, as a result they will blame the product, unleashing a backlash of negative feedback on direct sale bike sellers for not supporting their products.

    Go figure
    Yeah, kinda wonder about that myself.

    My prediction...I predict that Ben shall remain an addicted poster during the doldrums and gung ho times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Direct sale bicycles will gradually take over the new bike market, forcing many LBS to close the doors. As a result, bike owners will be forced to rely on Youtube to learn bike maintenance.

    This transition will not be without problems as many less mechanically inclined home bike mechanics will be confounded by basic bike maintenance issues, as a result they will blame the product, unleashing a backlash of negative feedback on direct sale bike sellers for not supporting their products.

    Go figure

    Seems like the mobile mechanic and/or LBS’s focusing on service rather than sales is the best path towards the future. But then I’m not in bike sales or the industry. The bad thing with bikes is they are like shoes in that you’ve got to stock a huge inventory and have different sized models.

    While me being an enthusiast is good with ordering my bikes online so I can get exactly what I want, I don’t know if most casual bikers are like that? I guess an LBS could keep a small stock of bikes on hand so people could look at them and then order what they need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    If you think those two are the same thing you're clearly confused. Or something.
    Yeah, probably don't read enough advertorial. Wasted my time building various geometries and experimenting with them.
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    Meh, my posting has already declined, just not getting the same energy from the forum.

    Perhaps if things get fun again, but right now it's just lame.

    Quote Originally Posted by SADDLE TRAMP View Post
    Yeah, kinda wonder about that myself.

    My prediction...I predict that Ben shall remain an addicted poster during the doldrums and gung ho times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Yeah, probably don't read enough advertorial. Wasted my time building various geometries and experimenting with them.
    Isn’t the primary difference between DH geometry and “modern trail geometry” just the seat tube angle (steeper) and length of the chainstays (shorter) on modern trail geo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfat View Post
    Isn’t the primary difference between DH geometry and “modern trail geometry” just the seat tube angle (steeper) and length of the chainstays (shorter) on modern trail geo?
    I was having a dig at the current craze for slack HAs on XC bikes rather than the rest of the bike, so I was taking some ironic licence (which I thought might be obvious from the tone of my post). There's a few more factors involved, especially front centre, but in the meantime the same laws of gravity and physics apply.

    Rather than derail the thread, I'll make some more predictions in the same vein.

    Lugged bikes will make a comeback due to the dropping prices of metal powder printers.

    Home builders will be making their own custom Ti lugged/Carbon tube frames. Dentists will welcome this trend because bonding failures bring amateur framebuilders to their surgeries in droves.

    The first "modified wood" frame appears, built by Drew. (Hint - https://hackaday.com/2018/02/12/need...wood-you-want/ )

    Gravel bikes will look undistinguishable from dropbar 29ers of 10 years ago except for a horizontal toptube for battering ones gentlemans accessories.

    The folding wheel is perfected. This enables bikes to be packed into smaller spaces for travel. Dentists also welcome this innovation with enthusiasm.

    Belt drive becomes universal thanks to improvements made by adding sidelinks with pinned joints and bearing pins and removing the rubber - oh, hang on, that's a chain.

    Recumbent XC tadpole trikes and quads have a period of popularity.

    The frame headtube disappears and the head bearings are mounted directly on the steerer tube connected to bearing housings on the downtube and toptube, thus getting rid of a redundant metal tube. (Yes, it has been done before).

    The return of the quill stem is welcomed by older riders who miss being able to adjust their handlebar height in a few seconds.

    Shimano will introduce a new BB standard which removes all the problems with previous ones, but needs their proprietary cranks and tools - or did that already happen a few weeks ago?

    Rim brakes have a resurgence with the invention of metal deposition on carbon rims enabling disk pad friction material to be used. Hydraulic brake callipers are integrated into the fork and seatstays. Lighter wheels result and everyone is happy except those who ride in the rain. Manufacturers are delighted because once again the rim is a consumable item.

    And once again singlespeeders remain unaware any of these advances and continue boring the rest of the cycling world by extolling the superiority of their 20 year old scruffy rigid steel hardtails.
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    The road bike world are gonna follow the MTB world by crating multiple wheel sizes , so everybody and their mother will have to buy new bikes , new wheels , new tires ....

    The new size is gonna be 800C

    A couple of years later , the XC MTB world is gonna adopt that new size , realizing how superior it is compared to 700 for rolling over rocks.
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    I'm gonna ride the shit outta my bikes this year after knee replacement slowed me way down last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Yeah, probably don't read enough advertorial. Wasted my time building various geometries and experimenting with them.

    And you would probably be the first to admit that the places you ride are not exactly (or often even remotely) like where most other people do.

    You could continue to complain about that, or you might consider being happy that you've got those places to yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobShort View Post
    On the topic of hub width, any reason why you went with a 217 custom hub on the merriwether vs offsetting a 197 hub 10mm? Just curious. It is a sweet looking bike.

    Because I could, because doing so meant I could continue using my preferred-for-expedition-use DT hubs, and because I like the symmetry of an on-center build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Unless you run an IGH.

    Which 197 spaced IGH is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Frostbike starts tomorrow.

    Any leaks yet?
    I think the rumor of a bigger tire/bike combo being released was just the Pugsley 2.0. Pretty disappointing when that bike can’t even run 4.8’s without going single ring, it wasn’t even close to being a step forward in fat bike progression.

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    A Fat tire shock from Fox would be sweet!
    Maybe a option from CK for hubs and bottom bracket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Which 197 spaced IGH is that?
    Rohloff Speedhub XXL

    And the one below (this spring )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Rohloff Speedhub XXL

    And the one below (this spring )

    I have yet to see a 197 Rohloff. I don't doubt that they might exist somewhere, but they are rarer than unicorn farts.

    Which also seems to describe their alleged competitor from Scandinavia...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I have yet to see a 197 Rohloff. I don't doubt that they might exist somewhere, but they are rarer than unicorn farts.

    Which also seems to describe their alleged competitor from Scandinavia...!
    Rather true!
    I searched (not very hard, though) for the Rohloff XXL, but could not find any in stock.
    However, here is at least one unicorn:

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    Does that hub provide as wide of a ratio as an 11sp. Because the outside diameter is smaller, I don’t see how it could?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfat View Post
    Does that hub provide as wide of a ratio as an 11sp. Because the outside diameter is smaller, I don’t see how it could?
    543% range and 14 speeds
    IGH is a totally different animal than a cassette setup. Does not need the diameter of a regular cog, as it is a planetary/epicyclic setup.

    In comparison, a Shimano 11 speed 11-40 is 364%
    SRAM XX1 11speed is 420%
    SRAM XX1 Eagle 12 speed is 500%
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    That sounds very cool! What is it projected to cost? Is it like the pinion drive where I read it can’t be shifted while pedaling or maybe it was the other way around? I just recall it having some weird quirk.

    How much more does it weigh than an 11sp set up?

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    Dream bike: A pinion Wozo with a little more room in the yoke for 5” tires, 175mm Dropper insertion, shorter stand over, threaded B.B.

    Dream bike remodel: A revised swing arm for the Fatillac that has a sliding dropout for 29+ and a wider yoke for 4.5” tires.

    ^ not really predictions, more like hopes and dreams. I would like to see Devin remodel the Fatillac swingarm, but that’s a lot of work for a one guy shop.

    I really want to try a pinion, it just seems so much more reliable and long lasting than a hub.
    .
    I do think IGH or pinion drive is the best way to get tire-chain clearance, the wide range cassettes are getting a little wonky. With a single cog out back, the clearance issue resolve and narrower B.B. options are possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I really want to try a pinion, it just seems so much more reliable and long lasting than a hub.
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    There's this: Hektor Fat PI MTB – FALKENJAGD

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    Need 29 2.8 tires that truly measure around 2.8 (on a 40mm rim) for sure.
    XC, Road, XXC, Endurance, Mtn, All-Mtn, Cross, Gravel, just go have fun on 2 wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    Need 29 2.8 tires that truly measure around 2.8 (on a 40mm rim) for sure.
    Its called the McFly. 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfat View Post
    That sounds very cool! What is it projected to cost? Is it like the pinion drive where I read it can’t be shifted while pedaling or maybe it was the other way around? I just recall it having some weird quirk.

    How much more does it weigh than an 11sp set up?
    Pre order price (includes a custom built, complete wheel) is approx 995 Euro (varies with NOK/EUR exchange rate).
    The standard hub (135-148) weighs 1395g + 98g for the SWAP shell, while the 190/197 fatbike version is approx 100g more. Shifters, hydraulic lines, hydraulic actuator, torque arm, etc approx 450g.

    Vs. 11 speed setup: varies depending on what 11 speed type you run. Shimano vs SRAM, GX vs XX1, etc., but for comparison, you need to weigh the cassette, RD, shifter, cable, housing and of course the hub.
    We run a shorter chain and shorter spokes, so that saves some vs. the chain and spokes in a typical RD setup.

    It can be upshifted under full load, so it upshifts smoother than a derailleur setup. It can downshift under load, but you need to be smoother and let off a little more than on a RD setup, but compared to other IGH/gearbox setups, downshifts can be made under much higher load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Westy View Post
    $7,500?? I've paid less for a car!
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    A rear shock from Lauf? That would be interesting. Imagine the pogo-stick that frame would become.
    Agree. However, I'd imagine that their leaf springs would do quite well on a suspension seatpost. Something like a BodyFloat seatpost but with composite leafs instead of steel springs. The lack of stiction and low weight would be pretty cool, if it could be engineered right...

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    McFly is only measuring out to 2.6 in the plus forum. Need a true 2.8 IMO something middle of the road, rolls well as rear but still grips xr3 or forekaster like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltobrewer View Post
    Agree. However, I'd imagine that their leaf springs would do quite well on a suspension seatpost. Something like a BodyFloat seatpost but with composite leafs instead of steel springs. The lack of stiction and low weight would be pretty cool, if it could be engineered right...
    The original:
    Hals-Lauritzen G-Shok (concept from around 1994, the one in the picture is from around 1997):
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    McFly is only measuring out to 2.6 in the plus forum. Need a true 2.8 IMO something middle of the road, rolls well as rear but still grips xr3 or forekaster like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Fithian View Post
    $7,500?? I've paid less for a car!

    Bet that car couldn't drive on beaches or soft snowy trails. Certain it didn't make you giggle on singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Pre order price (includes a custom built, complete wheel) is approx 995 Euro (varies with NOK/EUR exchange rate).
    The standard hub (135-148) weighs 1395g + 98g for the SWAP shell, while the 190/197 fatbike version is approx 100g more. Shifters, hydraulic lines, hydraulic actuator, torque arm, etc approx 450g.

    Vs. 11 speed setup: varies depending on what 11 speed type you run. Shimano vs SRAM, GX vs XX1, etc., but for comparison, you need to weigh the cassette, RD, shifter, cable, housing and of course the hub.
    We run a shorter chain and shorter spokes, so that saves some vs. the chain and spokes in a typical RD setup.

    It can be upshifted under full load, so it upshifts smoother than a derailleur setup. It can downshift under load, but you need to be smoother and let off a little more than on a RD setup, but compared to other IGH/gearbox setups, downshifts can be made under much higher load.
    Thank you for the info. That is out of my budget range for the present but I will be looking for reviews when it is released. Would I be correct in my assumption that it should provide years and years of trouble free service with just oil changes?

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    Nice bike, but geo is no good for me. I already got a plan and a builder, just need to finish remodeling and pay some taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by J_Westy View Post

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    Direct sale bicycles will gradually take over the new bike market, forcing many LBS to close the doors. As a result, entrepreneurial bike types will open small shops dedicated to service, with no low-margin bike sales wasting their precious time and space. If they do it in such a way that their top flight mechanics don't waste much (any?) time dealing/chatting with customers, they should be much more profitable than traditional LBS's.

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    First prediction now reality “Trek Full Stache” just launched

    For those who havent seen it already

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    Forward thinking Shimano drivetrain

    CHECK

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeetheviking View Post
    Forward thinking Shimano drivetrain

    CHECK
    They'll be making fat-hubs?
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    I really don’t know (regarding fat hubs)

    But I think you can use the new shimano freehub on some DT Swiss hubs

    I think the new Shimano freehub is kinda cool!

    Hopefully it will be tank tough!

    Even though this “new standard” may not be well received -considering the standard overdoses of late-
    This is a long overdue tech update for Shimano. I think this tech will be good competition to other high end hub manufs. The price should also trickle down.

    Im interested to learn more about the spiderless chainring interface... I’m also curious why they advertise 30t being the smallest chainring. Because one of the benefits of spiderless chainrings is being able to run smaller than 30t, which has been the smallest possible chainring for our beloved 104bcd cranks.

    I know “most” will not need smaller than 30t with a 51t cassette, but expedition cyclists carrying BIG loads might want 24-28t chainrings.

    Wolftooth and Raceface will probably offer smaller chainrings for this crankset

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