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    Post Pics of your Fat Lefty!

    So there are several of them about, and with MendonCycleSmith's connivance - more on the way! But they're all in these separate little threads - so let's get 'em together!

    I'll start:
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    Wow! That thing probably looks better in person than in the photos! Would like to see some properly exposed pictures to get an idea of the intensity of the colours!
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    Sweet! This is the direction I'm going to go, methinks. Tell us about that front wheel-it looks like a symmetrical build, unlike a few of the Lefty-pugsley's I've seen. Dish the dish on that baby.

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    Ah, the wheel build. It's not symmetrical -there is offset, but it's hard to see in those pics. You have to lean over a fair bit before you can see the end of the hub around the tire.

    The wheel is crosslaced (driveside fllange laces to brakeside rim and etc) rather than all to one side. Cross lacing takes a bit more patience to do because it has to be straight before you put tension on - can't just tweak it later. Very strong wheel tho, I haven't had to do any adjustments or truing post-build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Cross lacing takes a bit more patience.

    Man, you have a serious gift for understatement.

    Love the idea, thanks for tossing it up, I'd post pics of my set up, but I think it'd be like chumming the water.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Man, you have a serious gift for understatement.

    Love the idea, thanks for tossing it up, I'd post pics of my set up, but I think it'd be like chumming the water.....
    Craig - take credit. And I know you've got some build pics from folks who don't post here. Chummmmmmm. Chum chum cherooooooo.

    Oh, and here's a better pic of the wheel offset:
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    Quote Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Chummmmmmm. Chum chum cherooooooo.
    Oh all right, I do have some that aren't mine, that's true, now that you mention it.....

    So, a few of those, and a Lefty Muk being piloted by Dirtybiker from DrunkCyclist, rock on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Oh all right, I do have some that aren't mine, that's true, now that you mention it.....



    So, a few of those, and a Lefty Muk being piloted by Dirtybiker from DrunkCyclist, rock on!
    Oh my, that is a unique bike .... maybe a little but at the end its a bike so
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgordo View Post
    Oh my, that is a unique bike .... maybe a little but at the end its a bike so
    Perhaps you're not following Drew's work, but he's got a serious DIY itch, and builds some really cool stuff.

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    I just built this as a gift for my wife. I thought "Leftromancer" was a good name for it, but she said "it's Wednesday!" almost immediately.
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    How bad is the offset with these designs or did someone machine an adapter to correct it? That would drive me bat **** crazy without having a symmetrical wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalcuz View Post
    How bad is the offset with these designs or did someone machine an adapter to correct it? That would drive me bat **** crazy without having a symmetrical wheel.
    A truly symmetrical wheel would require a special hub - with the RH flange way out beyond the end of the Lefty axle. My front wheel was built using the Pugsley adapter (35mm, for 17.5mm offset).



    I would note that if asymmetry bothers you, a Lefty is probably not for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalcuz View Post
    How bad is the offset with these designs or did someone machine an adapter to correct it? That would drive me bat **** crazy without having a symmetrical wheel.
    You want a symmetrical wheel, or wheel position?

    The whole reason these are popping up now is because I had clamps with the appropriate offset made, to allow the wheel to center under the frame.

    Best you can do with wheel build symmetry is the cross laced monster Wadester did, otherwise, yes, the wheel will be an offset build, like any Pugsley.
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    What is a ballpark cost on one of these conversions? Or is it the old "if you have to ask..."
    Whatever floats your bike, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalcuz View Post
    How bad is the offset with these designs or did someone machine an adapter to correct it? That would drive me bat **** crazy without having a symmetrical wheel.
    Front wheels are dished on the disc side. The fat lefty wheel is dish by a little more, just in the other diection. So its not as much as you my think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin Mustangs View Post
    What is a ballpark cost on one of these conversions? Or is it the old "if you have to ask..."
    A grand or so with wheel. Less if you source a used fork, then, potentially closer to 500 or so with wheel.
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    Frosty, What's the cost & lead time needed on just the custom Lefty billet bracket? They're hella beauty-ful, and I think I can rustle up a used lefty replete with brakes & wheel. So I'll just need to tear the wheel down & rebuild with a fat rim, along with your custom brackets.

    This is such a fat development pun intended. I'm stoked.

    Who's got the first full-squish fat lefty? Let's see it! I know someone's got one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcuNinja View Post
    Who's got the first full-squish fat lefty? Let's see it! I know someone's got one.
    Gimme a couple months =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcuNinja View Post
    Frosty, What's the cost & lead time needed on just the custom Lefty billet bracket? They're hella beauty-ful
    Thanks for the compliment

    Drop me an email if you need more info. Flogging of stuff for sale isn't really kosher on the boards, so I don't like to abuse the leeway I'm given, by openly discussing business on them....
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    Mendon - I was asked by a fellow from bikerumor about my weirdo-mobile, I made sure to be clear that the Lefty clamps were not of my doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Mendon - I was asked by a fellow from bikerumor about my weirdo-mobile, I made sure to be clear that the Lefty clamps were not of my doing.

    a less sensationally written link to bikerumor
    Awesome! Thanks Drew, appreciate the opportunity you gave me to get these seen by more folks.

    Also congrats on making something worthy of being gawked at by even more pairs of eyes.
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    I guess I'll just post more pics
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    Wow! You guy's are finally pullin" me in. Just had the Mav. rebuilt last Summer... it'll get me down the trail a few more miles. But seriously studying the Lefty action. Awesome cross spoked hundie Wade!

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    I love that orange Fatback. The mix of colours give it such a MadMax look.
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    Will this conversion work on a Mukluk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmaxx4 View Post
    Will this conversion work on a Mukluk?
    Yes. The compromise is that a longer headtube/headset stack eats into the travel more. The Fatback used up an additional 15mm - leaving 95mm, which is not a problem.

    PM mendoncyclesmith if you want specifics of fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    Wow! You guy's are finally pullin" me in. Just had the Mav. rebuilt last Summer... it'll get me down the trail a few more miles. But seriously studying the Lefty action. Awesome cross spoked hundie Wade!
    Had to rebuild my Mav this fall as well. By far the easiest fork I have ever rebuilt. Such a shame they are out of biz

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    Inaugural voyage with the new Lefty. Set up with Marge Lite and HD.

    Intial impressions: Really helps out in the tech stuff like Dakota Ridge here, climbing and descending. Does slack things out a bit which seems to make the steering less twitchy at the expense of slightly less feedback. Tweaking shock and tire pressures. For the techy rock sections it felt better to go above 8.5/10 to prevent rim mishaps. Shock at 100 psi bottomed out a lot (I am about 180 with gear) so bumped it up a bit more. Something about the shock internals feels different than the Lefty on my Flash. Better do more riding tomorrow to grok this setup ...

    Huge thanks to Craig at Mendon CycleSmith and Alec at Big Ring Cycles for making this a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyP View Post
    Inaugural voyage with the new Lefty. Set up with Marge Lite and HD.
    Sweet pic! Thanks for the new wallpaper!

    It may well be the telescope, they used to build them a touch tighter than the new forks, and the grease used is the older Royal Purple, which is abit stiffer. Overall, I'm guessing it feels a bit more compression damped and stiff than your Flashes fork. Damper technology is identical....

    Down the road, bearing preload and the like can be changed to suit if need be.

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    How much weight does this add over a stock set-up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmaxx4 View Post
    How much weight does this add over a stock set-up?
    Stock set up runs 4.67, or 2100 grams, with an uncut steerer.

    Not sure on the weight of what you've got, but should be pretty simple reverse engineering now.

    Minor news flash, should have full size run Muk/Fatback/907 compatible clamps in about 2 weeks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Minor news flash, should have full size run Muk/Fatback/907 compatible clamps in about 2 weeks!
    Is the idea to allow a long-ish head tube and retain travel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Is the idea to allow a long-ish head tube and retain travel?
    Not intended for potential travel increase, but to fit all the longer than "normal" head tubes of the makes listed. Basically, the largest they fit currently is a medium. Now, large and xl should be able to rock Leftys too. Max spacing is 198mm with the Uber drop clamps, as opposed to 168 on the standard.
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    A lefty moonlander is born. I've only had it out a few times now, but wow is this a fun bike.

    A few highlights-
    Lefty with Craig's clamps out front. Thanks very much for your help Craig!
    Custom extra-long Phil BB with square taper cranks in the middle
    Rohloff out back

    This is before I had a chance to get it properly muddy.

    There are some more surprises in store for this one...

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    That is a sweet Moonie! You beat me to it. I currently have a Moonlander frame, lefty, brackets, and a pending wheelset (Clownshoes). And... I'm out of money until this fall. Good news is I have a Lefty Pug!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbrubaker View Post
    A lefty moonlander is born. I've only had it out a few times now, but wow is this a fun bike.
    That's suweet! Like the ti post/Brooks combo, always had a soft spot for the old meets new concept.

    Ride the hell out of it, and spread the fat suspension love!
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    Thanks to Craig/Mendon Cyclesmith, I have a Fat Lefty in my quiver. I built the wheel with a Project 321 hub and a Marge Lite that I stripped (with Easy Off). It's supposed to go on my Vertigo, but I don't have it yet. I always wondered what a Jones would feel like with suspension, so I threw it on there until the new Vert arrives:



    It's been years since I've ridden suspension, so this is gonna take some getting used to. I'll give it a proper shakedown tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Thanks to Craig/Mendon Cyclesmith, I have a Fat Lefty in my quiver. I built the wheel with a Project 321 hub and a Marge Lite that I stripped (with Easy Off). It's supposed to go on my Vertigo, but I don't have it yet. I always wondered what a Jones would feel like with suspension, so I threw it on there until the new Vert arrives:



    It's been years since I've ridden suspension, so this is gonna take some getting used to. I'll give it a proper shakedown tomorrow.
    I can now die a happy man. One of my favorite forks, on one of my favorite bikes, nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    The fork is made by Leonardi Racing that is a Cannondale dealer. From the review I read, overall it feels like a rigid and very different from a Lefty.
    Slow steering at slow speed but quite impressive at high speed. It doesn't bob and it very good with frontal impact. It is also 2,000 ++ $

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Not intended for potential travel increase, but to fit all the longer than "normal" head tubes of the makes listed. Basically, the largest they fit currently is a medium. Now, large and xl should be able to rock Leftys too. Max spacing is 198mm with the Uber drop clamps, as opposed to 168 on the standard.
    Will your older clamps (like from a Pugsley) fit an 18" (Ti) Fatback or would new ones need to be purchased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyP View Post
    Will your older clamps (like from a Pugsley) fit an 18" (Ti) Fatback or would new ones need to be purchased?
    As long as your head tube and headset don't stack up to a total of more than 168 mm, the standard version will be fine. More than 168? You'd need the uber drop version.

    IIRC, the 18 is the "medium" and will work with the standard, but, a tape measure never lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    So there are several of them about, and with MendonCycleSmith's connivance - more on the way! But they're all in these separate little threads - so let's get 'em together!

    I'll start:
    What kind of pressures are y'all running with the Lefty?. I have my HD - ML combo at 14.5, with the Lefty. On rigid fork, I was at about 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    What kind of pressures are y'all running with the Lefty?. I have my HD - ML combo at 14.5, with the Lefty. On rigid fork, I was at about 10.
    I weigh 180 or so with gear, and run 150. Nice and plushy feeling, hit the lock to climb if I want it quieter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I weigh 180 or so with gear, and run 150. Nice and plushy feeling, hit the lock to climb if I want it quieter.
    Oops! I was totally ambiguous with this question. I meant tire pressures. Do y'all bump it up a little more because of the fork?

    Since we brought up fork pressures, we might as well spill the beans there too. I'm about 170, and I'm currently playing around on 140 psi.

    Sag's a little trickier to figure out because of the boot. Any secrets besides measuring a-c? I don't know if this is silly, but I have another idea which I'll try first before I embarrass myself
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    Yeah for tire pressures (HD front and back) I go 9.5/11 psi for dry rocky trails. Enough to keep the rims from getting smashed but not too much where the tires bounce off stuff.

    Like Craig indicated, the FrankenLefties with NOS dampers need a lot higher pressure than regular Lefty forks - for me (180# plus gear) it feels reasonable at about 170 psi. I may try to lower that a bit and tweak the rebound settings.

    BTW, anyone running a Lefty on a Fatback? Trying to determine what it takes to keep from slacking it out too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    Oops! I was totally ambiguous with this question. I meant tire pressures. Do y'all bump it up a little more because of the fork?

    Since we brought up fork pressures, we might as well spill the beans there too. I'm about 170, and I'm currently playing around on 140 psi.

    Sag's a little trickier to figure out because of the boot. Any secrets besides measuring a-c? I don't know if this is silly, but I have another idea which I'll try first before I embarrass myself
    I run about 8.5 to 9.5 front and rear. No firmer due to fork at all. I basically drop it till it starts to self steer a bit, then bring it up just till it stops.

    140 is probably good at your weight, if you like how it rides.....

    Sag, I go by feel, and if I never bottom out, figure I'm too firm.

    If you want to be more exact, put a pencil in your hand on the grip, and get near a wall. Mark it standing beside, then get on the bike and mark, bam, sag measurement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyP View Post
    Trying to determine what it takes to keep from slacking it out too much...
    Running a 480 A to C is about it. Nets you ~70mm travel...
    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

    - FrostyStruthers



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    My Lefty arrived a few days ago and I finally had some time today to install it on the Mukluk. Initial ride feels great. The Lefty should open this bike up to a whole new level on my single track. Bike sits at 33.6 lb without pedals.
    Big thanks to Craig at Mendon CycleSmith for making this possible.



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