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    Pogies, lobster gloves or 5 finger gloves?

    It's getting to that time of year. I'm trying to figure out my winter gear now that I'm loving the Fatty.

    I thought I was going to get pogies, but after talking to a couple people I might not be. I plan on doing some XC trails and maybe some fire road type trails. I heard that pogies are hard to get in and out of if you need to get your hand out for something quick on the trail. I think lobster gloves would suck for 1 finger braking. So i think I'm going to the normal 5 finger gloves.....

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    What kind of temps are you dealing with? I have Dogwood Designs pogies and haven't had to cinch them up with regular full finger riding gloves in temps down to about -10f. That means they're about as easy to get in or out of as taking your hands off the bars in summer.

    I've seen some of the cheap atv pogies that are much smaller and they look like they might be a pain to deal with.

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    I'm in syracuse, NY. Plan on going to the ADK too. wind chills are pretty bad here sometimes. Temps usually are 10 degrees F on the cold days usually in the teens or 20s. Up north could be in the single digits and colder at night.

    Maybe i could get away with finger gloves. Sometimes I have issues keeping my hands warm, but I'm not biking Ha HA, usually just standing around.

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    I've been commuting in Anchorage AK for going on three winters now. The first two I used some cheap(ish) Grandoe expedition type gloves that were water and windproof. In temps down to -15 they were great up to about an hour, then I started getting chilled quite quickly.

    This year I got a pair of Black Diamond Guide gloves. Similar design to the Grandoe, but with a removable liner so that I can use a lighter weight liner for the warmer days. So far I've been running these with just a thin liner glove in temps down to the upper single digits and they've been quite sufficient.

    What I like about these style gloves is that they have the nice gauntlet to help keep the air out, allow me to easily adjust my lights/zippers/etc while on the bike, and I can use them for other things than just riding.

    I've toyed with the idea of pogies, but just can't bring myself to make the leap. I tend to require that all my gear, apart from chamois, do double or triple duty. I can't really think of any other instance where I would use pogies other than on the bike, so that is a huge turn off for me.

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    I went out with some new Pearl Iszumi (sp?) lobsters today. 17 degree heat index and my fingers were hot. Two finger braking and downhill grip not as good as five finger gloves but very acceptable.

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    Windchill, "heat index", or "Feels like temperature" means absolutely nothing when you do not have exposed skin, such as the case when you're wearing gloves or pogies.

    The issues with gloves are that the insulation will compress as you're grabbing the bars and provide less warmth and they can be cumbersome depending on the size of the gloves and what your controls are like. With gloves you may also need to remove them if you're stopping and grabbing something else like a camera, phone, gps, etc. With pogies you could have a lighter weight glove on underneath so you don't have exposed skin.


    With the temps you're facing it's a tough call. When the actual temps are around 10F or above I can wear some windproof gloves with maybe a thin liner glove and my hands are usually warm. With the pogies I know my hands will be warm to temps close to -20 with only full finger riding gloves. A lot depends on how cold your hands get due to circulation, grip, etc.

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    I've tried 5 finger gloves, PI lobster gloves, and pogies. I LOVE the pogies, Dogwood Design. The only issues I have with them is taking them on/off THE bike, but removing my hands in/out of the pogies are no problem. The 5 finger gloves don't keep my fingers warm enough. The PI Lobster type gloves keep them a little warmer, but not as well as the pogies. Plus the lobster gloves feel a bit awkward. The pogies kept my hands/finger the warmest. I can even use regular summer/fingerless gloves at times, while inside the pogies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blockphi View Post
    I've been commuting in Anchorage AK

    This year I got a pair of Black Diamond Guide gloves.
    Nice glove, I don't know if I could use them without a nose wipe, I always have a drip.

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    I've never needed anything more than lobster gloves in Wisconsin.

    Figure if it's too cold for those, I really don't want to be out anyway.

    Lobsters seem to be good down to about -15 or so. Other thing that made a big difference last winter was speed- lobster mits got really cold at -15 and 12-15 mph. worked just fine when the trails got slower and my heart rate went up.

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    Pogies seem to be the way to go from those in the know

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    My issue with the lobster gloves I have is getting back into them with damp hands. I basically cant. Not comfortably. The liner bunches up.

    I'm probably in 5-finger expedition glove climate. But having froze 3 fingers last year. I'm going with pogies. I'm not risking going through that again.

    Plus it means you can grab food etc. far easier..

    Just need to find some to fit my cut-H bars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfurry View Post
    Plus it means you can grab food etc. far easier..
    Especially if you store some in your pogies.

    I am not a fan of riding in pogies but if it is below about 10 F I have to. No problem getting in and out of quality pogies though, especially the ones with a built in plastic frame. They don't droop. Lobster gloves are not a big problem for me but I concur on the deal with trying to put them on over sweaty hands. Above 15 F or so I just run 5 finger gloves with a liner.
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    I usually wear a mid weight liner glove and a pair of OR Mitts,especially when starting out,as my body warms up I end up riding with just my liner gloves. Last year I rode in -20 and colder temps with the liner gloves and mitts my hands stayed pretty warm, even on extended rides.I am thinking about trying some pogies this year. I always have a spare pair of liners gloves tucked in my frame bag too!

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    Thanks for all the responses.

    I tried on lobster's didn't like them, I doubt i'd get used to them. I'm going to look for a windproof maybe waterproof 5 finger. Maybe pick up a set of pogies. I think maybe pogies with a vent so my hands wouldn't get too warm. I hear the Dogwood Design pogies are good, but I don't think they have a vent.

    Oh what to do. Ha Ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dehoff View Post
    Windchill, "heat index", or "Feels like temperature" means absolutely nothing when you do not have exposed skin, such as the case when you're wearing gloves or pogies.
    I disagree. Strong winds, humidity, and sunlight make a big difference - even if you are wearing gloves or in a parka or in a tent.

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    My wife made poggies for me last year, and I love them, I used my regular full finger gloves i rode all summer in last year and never had cold fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f00g View Post
    My wife made poggies for me last year, and I love them, I used my regular full finger gloves i rode all summer in last year and never had cold fingers.
    All summer in pogies! WOW JK I know you meant winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akclimber49 View Post
    I usually wear a mid weight liner glove and a pair of OR Mitts,.......!
    OR mitts are the cats meow for anything in the cold!




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    Quote Originally Posted by SJJ28 View Post
    OR mitts are the cats meow for anything in the cold!




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    I agree, but I don't think mitts are brake lever friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracerprix View Post
    All summer in pogies! WOW JK I know you meant winter.
    ahahaah funny, I did also forget to mention that that is Anchorage though. Didn't think i needed st state winter season. I'll do better next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f00g View Post
    ahahaah funny, I did also forget to mention that that is Anchorage though. Didn't think i needed st state winter season. I'll do better next time.
    AK isn't that cold in the winter is it?

    Wow those Black Diamond Guide gloves looks awesome. Plus they come in orange to match my orange 9:zero:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by f00g View Post
    My wife made poggies for me last year, and I love them, I used my regular full finger gloves i rode all summer in last year and never had cold fingers.
    I was thinking of making some. could you post a picture(s) please?

    thanks

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    Making some, never thought of it. I doubt i can, I'm not good at sewing. I can barely sew a button on.

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    DIY Pogies

    I need to modify the ones she made by adding a bell bottom style triangle panel to open them up a bit. They are a little hard to get into with a heavier jacket on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracerprix View Post
    I agree, but I don't think mitts are brake lever friendly.
    It is a lot easier to ride with mitts than it is with frozen fingers. And Pogies are easier than mitts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    It is a lot easier to ride with mitts than it is with frozen fingers. And Pogies are easier than mitts.
    Your right! Frozen fingers are not good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracerprix View Post
    Thanks for all the responses.

    I tried on lobster's didn't like them, I doubt i'd get used to them. I'm going to look for a windproof maybe waterproof 5 finger. Maybe pick up a set of pogies. I think maybe pogies with a vent so my hands wouldn't get too warm. I hear the Dogwood Design pogies are good, but I don't think they have a vent.

    Oh what to do. Ha Ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmanecke View Post
    I disagree. Strong winds, humidity, and sunlight make a big difference - even if you are wearing gloves or in a parka or in a tent.

    Yeah, I was probably a little strong in my wording, or rather lack thereof. I should have qualified my statement with the constraints of talking about feeling colder in temperatures well below freezing with materials covering the skin that have decent windblocking properties(but not necessarily to the point of fleece with windstopping membranes)

    Yes, sunlight can make a big difference but it won't make you feel colder.

    If you're wearing fleece,wool, etc. without any sort of windblocking layer, yes, wind can make you feel colder. With any decent winter gloves or pogies that have a windblocking shell, you will not be able to discern the difference between -20F with a 5 mph wind or a 40 mph wind. If your hands or face aren't covered or you're wearing fleece without any sort of windblocking, you'll be able to feel the difference immediately. I've had the "opportunity" to work outside for a week straight where the temperature never got above -20F with winds anywhere from 5 mph up to 40 mph. With the same clothing, I could not feel any difference on the windy days other than I couldn't handle taking my goggles off, but on the calmer days I could go 10-15 minutes without them.

    Humidity can be an issue especially around freezing. At -20 I honestly can't tell if it's humid or not. There's vapor barrier clothing, but that's a whole other concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracerprix View Post
    Thanks for all the responses.

    I tried on lobster's didn't like them, I doubt i'd get used to them. I'm going to look for a windproof maybe waterproof 5 finger. Maybe pick up a set of pogies. I think maybe pogies with a vent so my hands wouldn't get too warm. I hear the Dogwood Design pogies are good, but I don't think they have a vent.

    Oh what to do. Ha Ha.

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    Lobster gloves are like flip flops for my hands. I can't wear either of them comfortably no matter how much I try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecub View Post
    Pogies have a hole in both ends, one to put through the bar, the other, wider part, for your hands. If you want more ventilation, just don't tighten up the part that wraps around the bar.
    Ah, makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by dehoff View Post
    Lobster gloves are like flip flops for my hands. I can't wear either of them comfortably no matter how much I try.
    Ha Ha! I HATE FLIP FLOPS!

    Sounds like no Lobsters for me!

    Im pretty close on buying these BLACK DIAMOND Men's Guide Gloves, but still leaning towards pogies.....

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    Last winter I used lobsters with merino wool gloves underneath. Was good even below 0, but it was very mild in MN last year.

    But since we're really talking about pogies, I had also contacted the guy who runs Bar Mitts about making some custom ones for my salsa woodchippers. He was willing and only wanted a few extra bucks. I changed bars though and ended up not needing them, but I'm sure he'd make you some that fit your H-Bars.

    I'd try to find an LBS that stocks them though. The normal bar mitts will probably fit.

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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/9527634@N04/8140759618/" title="IMG_2213 by F00G, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8054/8140759618_52e4ff89a3.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_2213"></a>

    Here is my Fatback with the pogies my wife made, they are a little hard to see the design, basically if is a Kids coat cut in half and sewn back together, the part that is closest to the stem is the cuffs which I cut a slit in and used the existing velcro to tighten back down, She put some plastic in the seam where your hands go in to make them stay open. Like I said before i plan on widening them even further by sewing polar fleece to a piece of wind stoping ripstop nylon in a V shape, like they used to do to bell bottoms.

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    Search for quad gear mitts ~$15-25 from Cabelas, etc. (the link is too long) Cheapest and most effective winter gear I have ever purchased for cycling. I wear them all winter in ND.
    Only thing I do extra is to wear a pair of liner gloves... solely to wick sweat off my hands.

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    I have had pair of the Trail's Edge Cyclery "Moose Mitts" for the past seven or so years. The new Super HiVis orange version seems like a good idea when riding through rifle hunting areas.

    http://www.trails-edge.com/

    I suggest calling them to place an order and see what the wait will be.

    I can definitely recommend them for MTB use (road, single or two track). I can't recall not being able to come out of them when crashing. I have used lobster and snowboard gloves too. It seemed harder to regulate temperature with those. If you don't like them, I would bet you could recoup most of the purchase price.

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    The real benefit of pogies is the much broader range of temperature situations they can work in. This is true of all good winter gear. When I wear gloves or mittens I find myself both too cold and too hot in my hands on the same ride. Pogies work to keep my hands morning bed warm whether I am producing a lot of heat climbing or when riding slow and easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUWxGuesser View Post
    Search for quad gear mitts ~$15-25 from Cabelas, etc. (the link is too long) Cheapest and most effective winter gear I have ever purchased for cycling. I wear them all winter in ND.
    Only thing I do extra is to wear a pair of liner gloves... solely to wick sweat off my hands.
    I'll admit it. I use these too and also really like them. Windproof, warm, roomy and really light for their size. I also just wear liner gloves, mainly to keep bare skin off bare metal. Excellent cost to utility ratio.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mababo/5254741633/" title="Snowy 9:Zero:7 by Uncle Bicycle, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1397/5254741633_163fec8b72_n.jpg" width="320" height="240" alt="Snowy 9:Zero:7"></a>
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mababo/5236403132/" title="Winter Panda Too by Uncle Bicycle, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5043/5236403132_d4d8498e1d_n.jpg" width="320" height="240" alt="Winter Panda Too"></a>

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    Mittens. Good to -15f . Also nice for snow boarding.

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    Anyone try these guys yet? You would still have the trigger finger for braking, while having a mitten style glove.


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    Very interesting!!

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    Heated grips would probably help with the warmth lost to the bar.

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    Pogies for Loop Bars

    I have used Moose Mitts the past three winters on the mtb with flat bars.

    However this year the moose mitts are to go on a Fattie with Jones Loop Bars.

    I just tested the fit of the moose mitts on the Loops. Fit no good - due to the loop. Any one else have similar experience, and if so how was the problem resolved?

    Here's one idea I found
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    I sewed my own pogies a bunch of years ago. I made them big enough to carry snacks in, and shaped them so they could double as booties. I can operate bike controls with mittens on, but I endorse pogies with religious fervour.
    In my little world, gloves are for summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Anyone try these guys yet? You would still have the trigger finger for braking, while having a mitten style glove.

    I have the Hestra's like that for skiing and they're nice. I mostly bike in old ski gear.

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    I use military surplus mitts with one compartment for three fingers, one for the index finger and one for the thumb. Kinda like lobster gloves, but instead of 2+2 it's 1+3 - very much like the ones Duggus posted. They are cheap as chips, durable and warm while allowing one-finger braking.

    When I go out, after 15 minutes the index finger feels cold so I tuck it in the same compartment with the other fingers to warm it up for a moment. At that point I have generally warmed up and the "machine is running" so to say, and I can keep the index finger in its own compartment for the rest of the ride. I've worn these as low as -27 degrees celcius (-17F) without problems. Mine are German, but there are Russian, Swiss, Czech and US models available as well to name a few.

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    Just try to pry my Dogwood Designs pogies from my warm dead hands!

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    I'm a huge fan of my Moose Mitts pogies. They are pretty minimalist, a slightly insulated shell. And I add some gloves as necessary. What's nice is as I layer gloves for conditions wind/water resistance is not a factor. So I can use varying thickness wool gloves and my normal summer gloves to fine tune. With the nutso uhber ultra monster mitts it's harder to regulate temperature as conditions / activity changes.
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    The pogies are the bomb. I've used them for years and they do wonders but it is still important to have gloves that are warm enough as well.

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    I like pogies that way I use my thin gloves under them so when I stop my hand are free with a little protection from the cold

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