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    No good People who don't like fat bikers

    Sometimes you meet people who hate the very idea of fat biking and would love to give you a piece of their mind about it. People who have no sense of decency and berates a stranger for their mode of transportation. This is particularly a phenomenon if you ride in the winter and travel in the habitat of the skiers, who are under the illusion that they are the sole proprietor of all things winter.

    So blow off some steam, tell us your stories about fat bike hate, and revel in the glory of the haters ignorance.

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    don`t not doesn`t
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy-jeff View Post
    don`t not doesn`t
    And here we have someone who doesn't like poor grammar.

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    I was riding my 29er on the road and some roadies going the other way didn't wave back. The next day I was riding my fat bike on the trail and some 26ers didn't say hi back to me. I am so butt hurt right now I may just bin all my bikes and become a runner.

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    I'm inventing a self powered winter Zorb.
    The hate will be simply exquisite!
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    Our trails and XC ski trails cross paths a few times and has led to many rude comments. One night I was climbing a long slow hill with 3 T6 lights blazing when 2 XC skiers almost T boned me and a friend, they had no lights on a dimly lit ski trail. I stopped about 100' later for hydration and to ask friend what they said. I could hear them talking about how fat bikes don't belong in the woods and how he had six pairs of ski's and would not even think of buying one of those things. The funny thing was the guy he was talking to said he had one and they are a blast, shut him up real fast.

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    Moose don't like fat bikers. They're big bullies and they chase me with the intention of beating me up, just because of my bike.

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    Well, not exactly fat biking, but about 28 years ago, some drunks in a beater dodge spun some donuts around me in a gravel parking lot when I was getting a sixer on my old Schwinn cruiser. One of 'em even shouted "Yeehaw!" out the window. Then they headed up the road... Not knowing how much I hate bike haters....

    I found their car parked outside of the tavern where I suspected that they might be headed. I looked thru the window, and they were all sitting at the bar with their backs to the window and parking lot, and swilling on their beers.
    I figured these drunken idiots should not be driving.
    It was starting to rain, and that meant that visibility would be poor for any drunken drivers whose eyes were trying to focus on the raindrops on the windshield (a known phenomenon).
    I knew that I had to take action, for the safety of all concerned.
    I had a pocket knife.
    When the tav closed, I would have loved to have been there to see the expression on their faces, but I was probably already home sleeping. There was a tire dealer just on the other side of the parking lot, so I'm sure they could replace all four of those flats!

    So bike haters of any kind will be better off if they stay out of my face.

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    After hanging out here for the past year, I'm of the mind that I don't like fatbikers either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    After hanging out here for the past year, I'm of the mind that I don't like fatbikers either.
    Be thy the pot or the kettle, there's no place like home.

    Anyone with such attitudes about relative rights-of-usage will be told to fork off. Simple. Never heard any of it. Not to my face.
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    On a good note, a buddy of mine always gets roosted and receives negativity from snowmobilers. He is now on a 907 fatty, and his first time out with it, the snowmobilers stopped to chat about his cool fatbike.

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    I was riding my 29er on the road and some roadies going the other way didn't wave
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    I was riding my fat bike on the trail and some 26ers didn't say hi
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    Hey: let's remove fat bikes from the conversation here.

    CHANGE

    A good portion of people dislike change. A portion of that portion are very vocal. A portion of the portion of the original portion cannot recognize that a change is inevitable and subsequently deal with it in their heads.

    These folks will latch onto one particular noun as the CAUSE of the CHANGE and therefore it is the ENEMY. US vs THEM. Remember how the majority of us have the debating skills of a rhesus monkey once we get a little shot of adrenaline flowing.

    I've been chewed out for doing volunteer trail maintenance, on the notion that it provides a path through the woods for kids to go hide and do ILLICIT DRUGS (someone came unglued on me, little did she know I was raised by people like her and was not impressed or scared). I gave a spiel, city wanted more through traffic to discourage drug users in the woods at a family park, another opportunity for families to do fitness things together in a safe place, etc etc.

    It doesn't matter how cordial you are sometimes. Doesn't matter your reasoning, however sound it may be. You should still try to reach out - but someone is eventually going to be an ass to you for petty reasons.

    Don't let that stop you from trying to be cordial.

    Also use the following thought as something to ease your mind: people who hate you are the distressed party in your little micro relationship with them. They are spending negative energy on you. Meanwhile, you are just riding your bike. It has taken me a long time to find fundamental reasons why I should be nice when a good portion of society motivates me to be nasty. That is one reliable reason: that some jerk is flailing, suffering on my account, simply by my existence?

    Yes, that will do. A fine form of revenge.
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    Some people always have to hate something - it gives them something to focus on.

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    I don`t like fatbikers who pick faults with fatbikers grammer

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    Re: People who don't like fat bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy-jeff View Post
    don`t not doesn`t
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    And here we have someone who doesn't like poor grammar.
    And that uses ` (backtick) instead of the proper ' (apostrophe).....

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    There`s people who hate fatbikes ?

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    People who don't like fat bikers

    Everyone I've come across on the trails have been very interested in my FB and many would love to get one. It helps to always be friendly and yield the right of way if appropriate.

    I've dealt with hikers, joggers, snowmobiles, dog walkers and skiers with no issues at all.

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    Fat Bike Haters...nah...Some people just hate life.

    As a truck driver, stories could be told about autos, bicycles, and people on foot. And yes, about fellow drivers.

    One of the unbelievable was told to me the other day from a fellow driver, he had been in a downtown section of Eugene Or. delivering rock with a set of doubles. As the site was quite muddy, water was sprayed on the tires upon exit to reduce the tracking of mud onto the street; the truck speed was quite slow.

    People would step over the connecting reach while the truck was moving...slip and fall...?

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    If I hate myself, and am a fatbiker, does it then follow that I hate fatbikers?

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    It is strange that people have do much hate. My riding bud almost went toe to toe with someone who was making fun of his truck because it was a Toyota and anti American (which was made in Tennessee). He was driving a Dodge (made it Mexico). Why the hate? Love everybody!!!

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    My fat bike hates fat bikers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Hey: let's remove fat bikes from the conversation here.

    CHANGE

    A good portion of people dislike change. A portion of that portion are very vocal. A portion of the portion of the original portion cannot recognize that a change is inevitable and subsequently deal with it in their heads.

    These folks will latch onto one particular noun as the CAUSE of the CHANGE and therefore it is the ENEMY. US vs THEM. Remember how the majority of us have the debating skills of a rhesus monkey once we get a little shot of adrenaline flowing.

    I've been chewed out for doing volunteer trail maintenance, on the notion that it provides a path through the woods for kids to go hide and do ILLICIT DRUGS (someone came unglued on me, little did she know I was raised by people like her and was not impressed or scared). I gave a spiel, city wanted more through traffic to discourage drug users in the woods at a family park, another opportunity for families to do fitness things together in a safe place, etc etc.

    It doesn't matter how cordial you are sometimes. Doesn't matter your reasoning, however sound it may be. You should still try to reach out - but someone is eventually going to be an ass to you for petty reasons.

    Don't let that stop you from trying to be cordial.

    Also use the following thought as something to ease your mind: people who hate you are the distressed party in your little micro relationship with them. They are spending negative energy on you. Meanwhile, you are just riding your bike. It has taken me a long time to find fundamental reasons why I should be nice when a good portion of society motivates me to be nasty. That is one reliable reason: that some jerk is flailing, suffering on my account, simply by my existence?

    Yes, that will do. A fine form of revenge.
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    Awesome post applicable to so much of life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    If I hate myself, and am a fatbiker, does it then follow that I hate fatbikers?
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    People who hate fat bikers just need to realize we eat so much to fill a certain emotional need. Maybe if they were nicer to us we wouldn't be so fat. But you know, it's always "hey fatty" or "that tire is huge" (making fun of your spare tire around the gut). It's just rude. I wish people would leave our weight out of it. We are good people.
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    I've yet to really run into any hate. But then, I'm not really an @sshole when I ride.

    Mostly I get folks who want to talk about fatbikes. Many times these people are actually on XC skis.

    If I may, if you are getting hate, it might be because you are being a d!ck. I XC ski. And it sucks when some inconsiderate prick destroys the groomed trail with boots, snowshoes or a bike. If you are gonna ride on groomed trails (which is about the only place yer gonna get grief for riding), be courteous. Ride as far to the side of the groomed trail as possible, opposite the classic ski tracks. Don't ride in the middle of the skate ski section, just stay to one edge. Don't pass skate skiers without saying "on yer left" or something- they are not expecting you to be behind them. Don't pass skiers on downhill sections. just be polite.

    And remember, you ARE on their turf. They're used to having it all to themselves. They've got a view of their sport as silent and peaceful. Don't make a spectacle of yourself, be polite. There are times when a deferential attitude will go a long way to getting you invited back. And also remember, when you're a d!ck, you make the rest of us look like d!cks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    I've yet to really run into any hate. But then, I'm not really an @sshole when I ride.
    You know, that's the expectation that I'd like to see. This should be the norm.

    Sounds like Innota's experience was more like unprovoked hate. I actually haven't seen it either when around skiers! But some friends have had it happen unprovoked, and I believe them, as the particular guys I'm thinking of are decent people. Sometimes it does just happen.

    Innota it sounds like you would benefit more from a beer with a friend and a rant about this one. I've tried describing confrontations on that net before and sometimes it goes... not smoothly. Take this as friendly advice rather than a lecture, as the former is intended...
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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    [/Drops mic, walks out]




    Awesome post applicable to so much of life...

    *slowclap
    Yeah now maybe if I could live by my own words better... THEN it might be awesome.
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    Every single skier I've come across has been friendly and curious about my bike, except for one guy. He said he would appreciate it if I wouldn't ride on the ski trails. I calmly explained to him that I'm actually causing less of a footprint than skier poles. He responded with, "Well, I'm not going to argue with you. These are ski trails." He just didn't care to listen, much less consider that I might be right. He just wanted to be legalistic. So I said, "Okay, I'll leave." I let him take off for a bit and followed him pretty far back until I came to a road crossing I could return to my vehicle by. This was a couple weeks ago, but I'm going to try the same place again tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiski View Post
    I could hear them talking about how fat bikes don't belong in the woods and how he had six pairs of ski's and would not even think of buying one of those things. The funny thing was the guy he was talking to said he had one and they are a blast, shut him up real fast.
    I imagine the first guy's ego to be the small cat in this rendering of your situation.
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    Sorry

    Sorry, I meant to add this after that sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon marke View Post
    Every single skier I've come across has been friendly and curious about my bike, except for one guy. He said he would appreciate it if I wouldn't ride on the ski trails. I calmly explained to him that I'm actually causing less of a footprint than skier poles. He responded with, "Well, I'm not going to argue with you. These are ski trails." He just didn't care to listen, much less consider that I might be right. He just wanted to be legalistic. So I said, "Okay, I'll leave." I let him take off for a bit and followed him pretty far back until I came to a road crossing I could return to my vehicle by. This was a couple weeks ago, but I'm going to try the same place again tomorrow.
    I dunno how it is in Milwaukee but...up here in Duluth, the xc skiers DO own the ski trails in the winter. they pay for a pass that pays for the grooming. legalisticly (??) the bikers don't have the right to be on the trails, along w/ walkers and runners.

    you, my friend, may be the reason bikes will always have a bad reputation....
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    Ski pass in Duluth $20 yearly all the revenue they contribute is used up in 1 day of grooming and lights and they own the ski trails ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbykr©™ View Post
    I dunno how it is in Milwaukee but...up here in Duluth, the xc skiers DO own the ski trails in the winter. they pay for a pass that pays for the grooming. legalisticly (??) the bikers don't have the right to be on the trails, along w/ walkers and runners.

    you, my friend, may be the reason bikes will always have a bad reputation....
    You, my "friend", may be wrong. These trails I am referring to are actually used by hikers, dog walkers, snow shoes, and skiers. These are not trails that skiers pay to get groomed. These are trails that every taxpayer in the county pays for. I skied for 20 years (classic and skate) back when we used to have consistent snow, I know what ruins trails for skiers and what doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innota View Post

    So blow off some steam, tell us your stories about fat bike hate, and revel in the glory of the haters ignorance.




    No. Why perpetuate it?

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    IMO, it's a case of people having enough of the fatbike fanboys.

    From all I've seen written (especially over the past year), fatbikes are the end-all to any less-than-perfect trail situation. I hear repeatedly how they can float over any surface with ease, where 'normal' MTBs fear to tread; "This ride is for fatbikes only, I don't think you can ride it on your MTB". On almost every mixed-bike snow rides I've been on, we all hike the same sections, MTB & fatbike alike. The mantra of "Just lower the pressure & go anywhere" rings in my ears constantly from real-life mates & those online.

    I love the bikes themselves (versatility is their best asset), but the idolization/adoration by the fan-boys is too over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    It's not just people.
    I wonder where Yahweh's favorite ski trail is? I haven't seen any ghosts in my neck of the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johanneson View Post
    I wonder where Yahweh's favorite ski trail is? I haven't seen any ghosts in my neck of the woods.
    He randomly picks a different trail every day. Then he rains down a plague of self-steer or brake howl upon any fat biker who dares to venture there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefFritzl View Post
    IMO, it's a case of people having enough of the fatbike fanboys.

    From all I've seen written (especially over the past year), fatbikes are the end-all to any less-than-perfect trail situation. I hear repeatedly how they can float over any surface with ease, where 'normal' MTBs fear to tread; "This ride is for fatbikes only, I don't think you can ride it on your MTB". On almost every mixed-bike snow rides I've been on, we all hike the same sections, MTB & fatbike alike. The mantra of "Just lower the pressure & go anywhere" rings in my ears constantly from real-life mates & those online.

    I'm not sure if I agree that the rabid fanboy mentality is responsible for hatred from the general public. I don't think they're even aware of this blind behavior, since they all have "normal" lives to live. JMHO

    I love the bikes themselves (versatility is their best asset), but the idolization/adoration by the fan-boys is too over the top.
    I agree that may trails can be ridden with a standard mtn bike when some people claim only a fat bike will work. OTOH, I have personally witness even the difference in how well a fat tire can perform, given on tire width alone. In a recent race, I was riding through several sections with my 4.8" Bud/Lou combo, when many of the standard 3.8" tires had to dab and even walk at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon marke View Post
    I agree that may trails can be ridden with a standard mtn bike when some people claim only a fat bike will work. OTOH, I have personally witness even the difference in how well a fat tire can perform, given on tire width alone. In a recent race, I was riding through several sections with my 4.8" Bud/Lou combo, when many of the standard 3.8" tires had to dab and even walk at times.
    Obese bike fanboy .

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    Just ran into a dog that hated fat bikes. Bit my leg. Cross country skier handler (off leash), didn't even apoligize for her dog's behavior. When the fog bit me, I yelled at it. Should've kicked the owner but I was trying to keep the dog from puncturing my leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    It's not just people.
    Must be why I got 2 flats the other day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soloracer View Post
    Just ran into a dog that hated fat bikes. Bit my leg. Cross country skier handler (off leash), didn't even apoligize for her dog's behavior. When the fog bit me, I yelled at it. Should've kicked the owner but I was trying to keep the dog from puncturing my leg.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SmooveP again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefFritzl View Post
    IMO, it's a case of people having enough of the fatbike fanboys.

    From all I've seen written (especially over the past year), fatbikes are the end-all to any less-than-perfect trail situation. I hear repeatedly how they can float over any surface with ease, where 'normal' MTBs fear to tread; "This ride is for fatbikes only, I don't think you can ride it on your MTB". On almost every mixed-bike snow rides I've been on, we all hike the same sections, MTB & fatbike alike. The mantra of "Just lower the pressure & go anywhere" rings in my ears constantly from real-life mates & those online.

    I love the bikes themselves (versatility is their best asset), but the idolization/adoration by the fan-boys is too over the top.
    Nailed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by marathon marke View Post
    I agree that may trails can be ridden with a standard mtn bike when some people claim only a fat bike will work. OTOH, I have personally witness even the difference in how well a fat tire can perform, given on tire width alone. In a recent race, I was riding through several sections with my 4.8" Bud/Lou combo, when many of the standard 3.8" tires had to dab and even walk at times.
    Case in point.
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    Heh. This same sort of thread was very, very popular when 29ers where gathering steam.

    In other news: some people dislike things that you like, for whatever reason. Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Obese bike fanboy .
    LOL...I resemble that. No wait, I'm kind of a lightweight, but my bike does!
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    Case in point.
    I'm not sure I understand your comment. I was explaining that there are certainly blind followers, but OTOH there are still practical advantages to fat bikes over mtn bikes, and even advantages of the wider 4.8" tires. That's not idolization, that's just a personally witnessed and experienced fact.
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    I'm not sure I understand your comment. I was explaining that there are certainly blind followers, but OTOH there are still practical advantages to fat bikes over mtn bikes, and even advantages of the wider 4.8" tires. That's not idolization, that's just a personally witnessed and experienced fact.
    Don't let him get to you, man. He's a former fatbiker who's rejoined the narrow-tired community.

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    Got in some good fatbiking today in NJ, and experienced the opposite of hate.

    Snowshoer: "I'm impressed that you can ride that thing in here. Those tires look awesome."

    Runner: "I gotta get one of those."

    Didn't meet any XC skiers out there, so not sure what they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiski View Post
    Ski pass in Duluth $20 yearly all the revenue they contribute is used up in 1 day of grooming and lights and they own the ski trails ?
    that would be the winter rules....read the signs, read the press releases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon marke View Post
    You, my "friend", may be wrong. These trails I am referring to are actually used by hikers, dog walkers, snow shoes, and skiers. These are not trails that skiers pay to get groomed. These are trails that every taxpayer in the county pays for. I skied for 20 years (classic and skate) back when we used to have consistent snow, I know what ruins trails for skiers and what doesn't.
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    like I said, I don't know how it's done down south.
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    Sometimes I slip up and forget. I waste my time and effort complaining about these flawed versions of the human race. I waste my time swearing, yelling, or even physically resisting their crap. My life is better and more full the less influence they have on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbykr©™ View Post
    like I said, I don't know how it's done down south.
    and I always have a great day.
    Good to hear. And they can even get better when asking questions before making assumptions about people.

    In the deep south of Milwaukee (Wisconsin) we also have ski trails that are officially designated and grooming is paid for by the ski clubs. Having been a competitive skier back in the '80s, I fully appreciate the advantage of having a well-groomed trail and would never even consider riding on them, even if I knew it would cause no damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soloracer View Post
    Just ran into a dog that hated fat bikes. Bit my leg. Cross country skier handler (off leash), didn't even apoligize for her dog's behavior. When the fog bit me, I yelled at it. Should've kicked the owner but I was trying to keep the dog from puncturing my leg.
    If I was a dog...and you ran into me, I might bite your leg too; but it does not follow that I hate fat bikes, anymore than I should assume that you are a dog hatter.

    And my handler was off leash...oh my!

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    The few times I have been out everyone has been in awe of the tire size and very interested in the bike. Nothing bad yet, more of the you're sure devoted being out in this stuff kinda comments, nothing negative besides if I didnt get some I would just tell them to **** off anyways LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefFritzl View Post
    IMO, it's a case of people having enough of the fatbike fanboys.

    From all I've seen written (especially over the past year), fatbikes are the end-all to any less-than-perfect trail situation. I hear repeatedly how they can float over any surface with ease, where 'normal' MTBs fear to tread; "This ride is for fatbikes only, I don't think you can ride it on your MTB". On almost every mixed-bike snow rides I've been on, we all hike the same sections, MTB & fatbike alike. The mantra of "Just lower the pressure & go anywhere" rings in my ears constantly from real-life mates & those online.

    ... the idolization/adoration by the fan-boys is too over the top.
    Quoted for truth. Particularly any time I hear someone employing 'fatbike' as a verb; it's just so wildy goofy. It's almsot as annoying as when people that have to throw "29er" twice into every sentence.

    And what's with all the riding of groomed XC ski trails? I keep hearing all this hoopla about how versatile and capable these bikes are, but I very rarely come across anybody doing any sort of actual trail riding on them in any conditions that I don't tackle almost as handily with my regular ol' mtb, just like the past 20+ winters. Not to mention the people that ride them in 1/2" of snow, or no snow whatsover. I know they've got their place and certain advantage in specific conditions, but it seems to me that the vast majority are purchased mainly for their trendiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Quoted for truth. Particularly any time I hear someone employing 'fatbike' as a verb; it's just so wildy goofy. It's almsot as annoying as when people that have to throw "29er" twice into every sentence.

    And what's with all the riding of groomed XC ski trails? I keep hearing all this hoopla about how versatile and capable these bikes are, but I very rarely come across anybody doing any sort of actual trail riding on them in any conditions that I don't tackle almost as handily with my regular ol' mtb, just like the past 20+ winters. Not to mention the people that ride them in 1/2" of snow, or no snow whatsover. I know they've got their place and certain advantage in specific conditions, but it seems to me that the vast majority are purchased mainly for their trendiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Quoted for truth. Particularly any time I hear someone employing 'fatbike' as a verb; it's just so wildy goofy. It's almsot as annoying as when people that have to throw "29er" twice into every sentence.

    And what's with all the riding of groomed XC ski trails? I keep hearing all this hoopla about how versatile and capable these bikes are, but I very rarely come across anybody doing any sort of actual trail riding on them in any conditions that I don't tackle almost as handily with my regular ol' mtb, just like the past 20+ winters. Not to mention the people that ride them in 1/2" of snow, or no snow whatsover. I know they've got their place and certain advantage in specific conditions, but it seems to me that the vast majority are purchased mainly for their trendiness.
    Maybe so but I don't see that as any different then any other Mt bike. Every year millions of bikes are sold and most of them are coated with more dust than mud. The plus side is in a year or two Craigslist will have many deals for the people who actually utilize the benefits of Fat bikes.
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    How dare you try to burst our Fat Bike facade bubble!
    yea and then ramble on about nuttin...some peoples kids.

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    I've never heard a disparaging remark about the fat bike, nor have I ever ridden on a groomed cross country ski trail. The most common thing I do hear people say is "look at the size of those tires".

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    . I know they've got their place and certain advantage in specific conditions, but it seems to me that the vast majority are purchased mainly for their trendiness.
    Considering that practically no one on the face of the fat (thrown in for jest) earth NEEDS a mountain bike you really could say that about any mountain bike. We all like to tout the latest and greatest thingy, and the fat bike business is no different. But complaining about the fat tired guys tackling a trail in winter conditions, because you can do it with your slightly less fat tired mountain bike is ... well I don't know what it is. For 99.9% of us, a regular old third world, all steel bicycle in the most utilitarian form would be just fine. It would facilitate travel, with a possible mechanical advantage depending on conditions, from point A to B across the earth's surface. We do this for pleasure, fun, exercise, a challenge, and other personal reasons.

    I'm sure the 0.1% will be along shortly to explain that part too

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    Quote Originally Posted by adaycj View Post
    Considering that practically no one on the face of the fat (thrown in for jest) earth NEEDS a mountain bike you really could say that about any mountain bike. We all like to tout the latest and greatest thingy, and the fat bike business is no different. But complaining about the fat tired guys tackling a trail in winter conditions, because you can do it with your slightly less fat tired mountain bike is ... well I don't know what it is. For 99.9% of us, a regular old third world, all steel bicycle in the most utilitarian form would be just fine. It would facilitate travel, with a possible mechanical advantage depending on conditions, from point A to B across the earth's surface. We do this for pleasure, fun, exercise, a challenge, and other personal reasons.

    I'm sure the 0.1% will be along shortly to explain that part too
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    Quote Originally Posted by adaycj View Post
    Considering that practically no one on the face of the fat (thrown in for jest) earth NEEDS a mountain bike you really could say that about any mountain bike. We all like to tout the latest and greatest thingy, and the fat bike business is no different. But complaining about the fat tired guys tackling a trail in winter conditions, because you can do it with your slightly less fat tired mountain bike is ... well I don't know what it is. For 99.9% of us, a regular old third world, all steel bicycle in the most utilitarian form would be just fine. It would facilitate travel, with a possible mechanical advantage depending on conditions, from point A to B across the earth's surface. We do this for pleasure, fun, exercise, a challenge, and other personal reasons.

    I'm sure the 0.1% will be along shortly to explain that part too
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon marke View Post
    You, my "friend", may be wrong. These trails I am referring to are actually used by hikers, dog walkers, snow shoes, and skiers. These are not trails that skiers pay to get groomed. These are trails that every taxpayer in the county pays for. I skied for 20 years (classic and skate) back when we used to have consistent snow, I know what ruins trails for skiers and what doesn't.
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    Depends on the trails in question: we are all getting an education lately on fatbike access, and not just in MN.

    Mn has a great deal of "Grant-in-Aid" trails, governed by agreements between governmental jurisdictions, land managers, and user groups. If you're on a Grant-in-Aid trail and not one of the named parties of the agreement, you're a guest, and perhaps an uninvited one. It doesn't even matter if the groomed ski trail is on public land; the groomed surface, even though ephemeral, belongs to the parties named in the agreement.

    There are two other classifications" "multi-use" trails, and those that are not classified in any way, just existing. It is a crapshoot, and in every case its usually wise to find out who has jurisdiction and if there is a problem with access. Often, there is no real problem, but no grooming or trail preparation either.

    X-c skiers and snowmobilers created their infrastructure for themselves, and had it to themselves, until we showed up (often without asking). Dont be surprised when a portion of them gets posessive. Every other outdoor enthusiast group has had to pay some dues; should we get a free ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfatbaldguy View Post

    X-c skiers and snowmobilers created their infrastructure for themselves, and had it to themselves, until we showed up (often without asking).
    As did mtn bikers when they first came into out area and began to use hiking trails.

    Dont be surprised when a portion of them gets posessive. Every other outdoor enthusiast group has had to pay some dues; should we get a free ride?
    Agree. Hopefully the fat bike movement will continue and we'll be able to organize and continue to develop our own trails. It has already started in Wisconsin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adaycj View Post
    Considering that practically no one on the face of the fat (thrown in for jest) earth NEEDS a mountain bike you really could say that about any mountain bike. We all like to tout the latest and greatest thingy, and the fat bike business is no different. But complaining about the fat tired guys tackling a trail in winter conditions, because you can do it with your slightly less fat tired mountain bike is ... well I don't know what it is. For 99.9% of us, a regular old third world, all steel bicycle in the most utilitarian form would be just fine. It would facilitate travel, with a possible mechanical advantage depending on conditions, from point A to B across the earth's surface. We do this for pleasure, fun, exercise, a challenge, and other personal reasons.

    I'm sure the 0.1% will be along shortly to explain that part too

    Can't say I disagree at all really. It's not there's anything inherently bad about fat bikes. I'm willing to bet one of them will find it's way into my pile of bikes at some point, and I'm sure it'll be a good time in the right conditions. But if one of my riding buddies shows up for a ride on when when there's a 1" of snow on the ground, you can be pretty sure they're gonna catch a major ball busting.
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    I've said it many times, if you buy a fat bike in Connecticut (not far from you SHMF) to only ride in the snow, you're wasting your money. There are not enough times when a fat bike makes an appreciable difference in being able to ride. I am surprised how much I like riding my fat bike in the dirt. I ride bikes because its fun, and I'll grab the bike that I think will be the most fun for that ride, as often as not its the fat bike.

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    Every other outdoor enthusiast group has had to pay some dues; should we get a free ride?
    No argument! Hubris to think we should not have to share the costs.

    In both MN and WI you don't have to look far if you have time and wish to help with cooperative efforts. Hopefully is true elsewhere too.
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    As did mtn bikers when they first came into out area and began to use hiking trails.



    Agree. Hopefully the fat bike movement will continue and we'll be able to organize and continue to develop our own trails. It has already started in Wisconsin.
    What's wrong with the hundreds of miles of single track already at your disposal in Wisconsin? Blue Mound has been in great shape for all types of bikes this year. I imagine Cam Rock and Kettle are just as good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo
    Particularly any time I hear someone employing 'fatbike' as a verb; it's just so wildy goofy.
    I go fatbiking all the time, and find it a useful verb. When reporting trail conditions, or giving ride reports, I don't want to mislead the girth challenged riders. I could only speculate on how the conditions will work for them. Clarity beats ambiguity.

    On the larger topic, I think resentment among certain cyclists comes from inaccurate advertising and press language leading to unfulfilled expectations in challenging conditions.

    The limitations in deep snow are not always clear up front. The advantages are numerous, but often subtle. It is a better tool for the majority of winter riding, but not always by a wide margin. Perhaps the biggest difference for me is it turns 'I could ride' into 'I want to ride', which is huge. My friends with anorexic bikes have expressed interest in winter riding, but aside from commuting, simply don't do it. Fatbikes encourage off trail adventures, and rides that you might not otherwise consider. They embody freedom and unlock possibilities. I submit to you, good men and women of MTBR: To hate fatbikes is to hate life itself!

    Simply viewing them as a means to extend the trail riding season is a far too limiting perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon marke View Post
    Yeah, geesh...somebody can't get their wedgie undone. This all about fun, isn't it? I wrench at a shop, and I have fun with selling the fun. Sometimes that means getting a little over the top with my enthusiasm. Maybe we need a sub-forum just for grouchy fat bike riders.
    No wedgie here. I'm perfectly happy. I know I don't NEED my stuff, but I still like it nonetheless. Yes, I am that materialistic. Some times I think the haters (to get back on topic), just can't accept that their junk is just as un needed as mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw2jr View Post
    What's wrong with the hundreds of miles of single track already at your disposal in Wisconsin? Blue Mound has been in great shape for all types of bikes this year. I imagine Cam Rock and Kettle are just as good.
    Well, I might be alone on this, but I don't care that much for single track when riding a fat bike. Sure, if that's all there is, fine. But I come from a background of ultra-marathon road riding, and I like to get a good aerobic workout in, not always a technical exercise. And personally, I don't think single track is where fat bikes shine. Wider, faster courses seem to serve their design better. JMHO

    The other thing is, I would rather not have to travel across the state to ride my bike, so I usually stick to trails within 20 miles of my home. Just don't have that much free time, nor do I care to burn up that much gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adaycj View Post
    No wedgie here. I'm perfectly happy. I know I don't NEED my stuff, but I still like it nonetheless. Yes, I am that materialistic. Some times I think the haters (to get back on topic), just can't accept that their junk is just as un needed as mine.
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    Half expected a firestorm of disaproval...and I would understand. It took me a while to get over myself after finding out I couldn't ride the X-C ski facility almost out my back door.

    I rode there all summer for years, after all.

    I heartily concur with the voices that suggest a fat tire isn't a cure for all that ails. Two years ago, riding fat was; locally, we had what we call an open winter, where it took until into January for enough snow to pile up to stop biking. Either a fat tire or a regular one will navigate 4 or 5" of snow if you want it to, but the fat tire is easier to do it again the next day, and grabs whatever traction there is to be had while the skinnier tires do not.
    We all especially like unseen sticks and rocks under a little snow, eh guys? Fat tires make them less of an issue.

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    Well, I might be alone on this, but I don't care that much for single track when riding a fat bike. Sure, if that's all there is, fine. But I come from a background of ultra-marathon road riding, and I like to get a good aerobic workout in, not always a technical exercise. And personally, I don't think single track is where fat bikes shine. Wider, faster courses seem to serve their design better. JMHO

    The other thing is, I would rather not have to travel across the state to ride my bike, so I usually stick to trails within 20 miles of my home. Just don't have that much free time, nor do I care to burn up that much gas.
    Fair enough. I think most people purchase fat bikes with the same intentions as you. Unless they are yuppie Californians with high credit limits looking for something cool and different to ride on their drought stricken trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I've said it many times, if you buy a fat bike in Connecticut (not far from you SHMF) to only ride in the snow, you're wasting your money. There are not enough times when a fat bike makes an appreciable difference in being able to ride. I am surprised how much I like riding my fat bike in the dirt. I ride bikes because its fun, and I'll grab the bike that I think will be the most fun for that ride, as often as not its the fat bike.
    ^^^^This.

    I've got way more dirt than snow time on my Fatty. Not going to replace my other bikes by any stretch, but it sure as hell is a fun adjunct to them! Not the bike I'm taking to fast group ride things or days when wanting to huck my meat, but it has gotten significant amounts of my solo just dicking around on the trails ride time.

    Bonus: when we do have decent snow riding conditions, it's mobettah than the other bikes.

    Sheesh, a week or so back, took my Chromag hardtail for a ride. Even though there was enough snow on the ground to have made the Fatty the "better" choice. Guess what? I still had a kick-ass time on a bike in the woods.
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    Simply viewing them as a means to extend the trail riding season is a far too limiting perspective.
    Unless it means getting off the indoor trainer and outside. I've only said "get a fatbike" to one roadie in Boulder who was bummed about the snow. Man, I wish I'd had a fatbike when I lived in Boulder. It remains to be seen which bike I go to this summer, but even then, if I take the fatbike will it be due to the novelty of it being my new bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    I go fatbiking all the time, and find it a useful verb. When reporting trail conditions, or giving ride reports, I don't want to mislead the girth challenged riders. I could only speculate on how the conditions will work for them. Clarity beats ambiguity.

    On the larger topic, I think resentment among certain cyclists comes from inaccurate advertising and press language leading to unfulfilled expectations in challenging conditions.

    The limitations in deep snow are not always clear up front. The advantages are numerous, but often subtle. It is a better tool for the majority of winter riding, but not always by a wide margin. Perhaps the biggest difference for me is it turns 'I could ride' into 'I want to ride', which is huge. My friends with anorexic bikes have expressed interest in winter riding, but aside from commuting, simply don't do it. Fatbikes encourage off trail adventures, and rides that you might not otherwise consider. They embody freedom and unlock possibilities. I submit to you, good men and women of MTBR: To hate fatbikes is to hate life itself!

    Simply viewing them as a means to extend the trail riding season is a far too limiting perspective.
    Well said. The fatbike hatred thing is pretty weird. It's become a fad unto itself, to the point that people who have never ridden one venture onto a fatbike forum to spew. It's the equivalent of me going over to a unicycle or CX forum to start trouble. Most of the criticism is pretty lame, too. If you're gonna troll, at least bring some style or a sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Well said. The fatbike hatred thing is pretty weird. It's become a fad unto itself, to the point that people who have never ridden one venture onto a fatbike forum to spew. It's the equivalent of me going over to a unicycle or CX forum to start trouble. Most of the criticism is pretty lame, too. If you're gonna troll, at least bring some style or a sense of humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    The fatbike hatred thing is pretty weird.
    It really is. I'm trying to imagine myself back in 1987, buying my first mountain bike, a Trek 830 Antelope, and wondering what I would have said if 29ers and fatbikes and 27.5 were all available. I can't believe it would have been anything but "Sweet! How does it ride?" I'm not a fatbike fanatic either. I would prefer to ride my ss 29er all the time, but even here is RI where we don't get a lot of snow, the fatbike gets a lot of use in winter because it's the appropriate bike that makes unridable conditions ridable, and poor conditions enjoyable.

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    Fair enough. I think most people purchase fat bikes with the same intentions as you. Unless they are yuppie Californians with high credit limits looking for something cool and different to ride on their drought stricken trails.
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    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

    I'm comfortable being "that guy" who rides a fat bike on singletrack dirt. Are you comfortable being "that guy" who trolls a forum dedicated to a type of bike you don't own (and maybe have never ridden)? Maybe you should go ride one a few times so you can see if you like it, or at least be informed enough to properly talk smack about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

    way too much thinking on your end has left you with tunnel vision therefor unable to comprehend what a 'fad' really is..goodnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

    As I posted earlier, 99% of the time I would prefer to be "singlespeeding" on my skinny tire 29er vs. "fatbiking", but a few months back the only working bike I had was my fat bike and I used it on every ride I went on. I would describe the group rides as a level below cross country hammerhead pace. I had to work just a little harder, not much but a bit, and after 2 hours I could feel the fat bike slowing me down quite a bit on long climbs, but other than that it's surprisingly fast and well mannered as a trail bike if you are used to riding rigid, plus the cush and traction of the rear wheel are great. So, fad or not, outside of fast paced group rides I'd say the negatives and the positives balance each other out very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

    Dude, keep in mind: to the non-biking public, we're all ****ing dorks, no matter what kind of bike we're riding.

    It's just another tool for having a good time in the woods. Fast, slow, dirt, snow, whatever.

    Some days it's the fatbike, some days the 5" or 7" bike, or the hardtail. Some days it's even the road or cross bike.
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    I've been on XC bike shop rides several times where someone shows up with a DH sled, yes he's that guy. I can tell you five minutes into that ride that guy was not having any fun, he's slowing the group down big time as he oscillates his suspension all the way up the hill and he's just dying trying to push that 45lb thing through the woods.

    By contrast, on my fat bike I am having fun on the ride and I am not slowing it down. I guess I'm still riding the "wrong"(?) bike, but if I'm having fun and not impinging on anyone else's fun can I really be doing anything wrong?

    I have also been on the same ride where someone showed up with a full on road bike - not CX, full on road. He was that guy. Except he was in front of the pack the whole way and made it up several ascents that others did not, so again, he's having fun and not impacting any one else's good time, nothing wrong with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

    Wow, I just received a revelation in the form off your post! Up until your post I was obviously delusional in the sense that I thought fat bikes were cool and so was I for riding them. I plodded along at a snails pace thinking I was speeding down the trail completely unrestrained by gravity or friction. Not understanding that I needed special conditions to ride these bikes I violated the rules and falsely presumed to enjoy myself. Now that I am thinking clearly (thanks to you), I wonder what the right conditions are! Will I ever know? Will any. Of us ever know or will we all continue to violate said unwritten rule? If only I had know I was acting the fool by going out of my way to participate in such a foolish activity. I guess I'm just plain goofy!
    I will say that your first statement makes the most sense:
    I don't think!

    Go away Troll. Or sit back and enjoy! But realize you might look goofy.

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    1. What you ride is less important than a)how you ride b)whether you are having fun with those you are with and c)whether you brought beer to share.

    2. It does seem a bit strange to me to not own a fat bike and yet be on the fat bike forum espousing a philosophy that fat bikes are only acceptable in certain very narrow trail conditions.

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    The important thing to remember is that you must own a special bike for every single set of conditions you can encounter and god help you if you bring the wrong one to the trailhead.

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    I guess 'fatbiking' tends to appeal to the sensitive types huh? Luckily I didn't use any stronger language than 'goofy', you guys might've had a meltdown fer gawds sake. Of course you can ride whatever you want wherever you want for whatever reasons you want. But if you don't think a good portion of the sale of these things is based mainly on trendiness, I think you're kidding yourselves. Which you're also welcome to do, if it makes you happy for whatever reason.

    FWIW, I originally wandered into this forum looking for a 'Custom/Homemade' thread to share a little something a friend of mine recently threw together in his lab, and I stumbled onto this thread. Figured it would be good for a chuckle, and it was. Luckily, the internet has a similar set of rules to MTBing, so as long as I'm enjoying myself, that's all really that counts right?

    Anyway, here's a few gratuitous pics of what I originally came to share. Hopefully they help you all get back to your happy places. (And yes, if I see him riding it on hardpack, I'm going to heckle the shit out of him.)





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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    FWIW, I originally wandered into this forum looking for a 'Custom/Homemade' thread to share a little something a friend of mine recently threw together in his lab, and I stumbled onto this thread. Figured it would be good for a chuckle, and it was. Luckily, the internet has a similar set of rules to MTBing, so as long as I'm enjoying myself, that's all really that counts right?

    Anyway, here's a few gratuitous pics of what I originally came to share. Hopefully they help you all get back to your happy places. (And yes, if I see him riding it on hardpack, I'm going to heckle the shit out of him.)





    Those image URLs are authentication protected - can you rehost the images on a site where we don't need to be a forum member to see them? I'm always interested in custom work more than debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Those image URLs are authentication protected - can you rehost the images on a site where we don't need to be a forum member to see them? I'm always interested in custom work more than debate.
    Oops - sorry 'bout that. I think I've fixed them - let me know if not and I'll try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I guess 'fatbiking' tends to appeal to the sensitive types huh? Luckily I didn't use any stronger language than 'goofy', you guys might've had a meltdown fer gawds sake. Of course you can ride whatever you want wherever you want for whatever reasons you want. But if you don't think a good portion of the sale of these things is based mainly on trendiness, I think you're kidding yourselves. Which you're also welcome to do, if it makes you happy for whatever reason.

    FWIW, I originally wandered into this forum looking for a 'Custom/Homemade' thread to share a little something a friend of mine recently threw together in his lab, and I stumbled onto this thread. Figured it would be good for a chuckle, and it was. Luckily, the internet has a similar set of rules to MTBing, so as long as I'm enjoying myself, that's all really that counts right?

    Anyway, here's a few gratuitous pics of what I originally came to share. Hopefully they help you all get back to your happy places. (And yes, if I see him riding it on hardpack, I'm going to heckle the shit out of him.)





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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I don't think anybody really cares enough about 'fatbikes' to actually hate them or anything. I think a lot of people, like myself, are kind of amused by the whole fad. Again, in the right conditions, they seem like a great idea. But in any other conditions, they're revert to just goofy. And if you go out of your way to do something goofy, and then try to convince people it's actually not goofy, then you've gotta expect to catch some ridicule. And 'fatbiking' as a verb is the literary equivalent of 'dinglespeeding' (dinglespeeders don't see the problem here).

    A fitting parallel could be found with downhill bikes. Fun machines that can really perform, in their element. Take a guy in body armor and a full-face helmet and some long-travel beast and stick him on a few thousand foot sketchy descent somewhere and things are all legit. But place him and his bike on a rail trail in Nebraska somewhere, and he's obviously operating deliberatly as a major frigging dork, and isn't allowed to feel butthurt when people poke some well-deserved fun at him. Particularly if he then gets in front of a computer with a handle like 'trendyflathiller' and starts telling people how 16" of travel is just the thing to make the skatepark fun. Before you know it, there's a new subforum on MTBR, and every time you turn around, some jamoke in Flatland USA is showing with endless travel and 3" slicks for a road ride. This is kind of how I see the 'fatbike' trend. I don't hate them by any means, any more than I hate DH bikes or riders. But if you're gonna be 'that guy', you gotta get comfortable with your own goofiness and other's reaction to it.

    And I thought I was an instigator! YEESH!
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