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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    I've got Marge lites with clownshoes rim strips. They were exceptionally easy to set with Vee HBillies and snowshoe 4.5's, but the bead didn't want to seat all the way with the Panaracer. It's quite a bit smaller than the H-Billie, both narrower and smaller in diameter. In my case, with a 110mm Lefty, it's given me more clearance, made the rake less slack and quickened the steering, all positives. The profile is rounder and the side lugs are more aggressive. I dig this tire and if i can get it tubeless, I'll like it even more
    Glad to hear the positive report, I hope tubeless works out for you.

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    I had to put a tube in for about a week before I was able to set them up tubless on my Ican 65s. After taking the tube out and keeping one side sealed, I was able to set them up tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    I had to put a tube in for about a week before I was able to set them up tubless on my Ican 65s. After taking the tube out and keeping one side sealed, I was able to set them up tubeless.
    that's what I'm hoping for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    that's what I'm hoping for.
    That especially good considering those supposedly aren't tubeless compatible!

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    neither are most surly/45nrth tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    neither are most surly/45nrth tires.
    Dang it I wish someone would've mentioned that years ago, I could have been killed dead

    edit: speaking of tubeless in non-tubeless tires where has Shiggy been, he seemed to drop off the fat forum?

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    no idea... haven't seen him in a while.
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    My FbNs have been tubeless for a month or so. No leaks. Super easy on marge lites.

    Just did one strip of the gorilla tape, 2.88 width, untrimmed up all across the wheel and up to the outer lip. Mount tire with tube 1 day. Then remove tube, set brad again. Add stans. Ride!!


    This was after failed attempt with clear gorilla tape. Which the stans eats the adhesive on quickly. Rendering that method useless. Plus the original gorilla tape is far easier to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    I've got Marge lites with clownshoes rim strips. They were exceptionally easy to set with Vee HBillies and snowshoe 4.5's, but the bead didn't want to seat all the way with the Panaracer. It's quite a bit smaller than the H-Billie, both narrower and smaller in diameter. In my case, with a 110mm Lefty, it's given me more clearance, made the rake less slack and quickened the steering, all positives. The profile is rounder and the side lugs are more aggressive. I dig this tire and if i can get it tubeless, I'll like it even more
    I just set mine up tubeless on Whisky carbon rims. VERY tight fit, almost had problems with them peeling back my tubeless rim tape while mounting them on the rim. They were actually tight in the center of the rim, and the air compressor didn't push out any air around the tire when I gave it a shot of air. Set up tubeless quickly, and I actually struggled to get them on the rim in the first place. Maybe some production variances in the manufacturing process of the FBN's? Mine were TIGHT.

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    Love these tires on 65 icans tubeless. Road them on a gravel race and they were considerable better than my snowshoes.

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    Just got mine. Weighed in at 1154 and 1160 grams.
    Should be an excellent improvement for socal trails!
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    I just mounted mine up last night on my Marge Lites, using Surly Tubes. The hardest part was breaking the bead of the tires (Halo Nanuk) that I was removing. Those Nanuks were so tight to the rims that I was afraid that I'd rip the sidewalls with my thumbs before the seal was broken. It was like they were glued on.
    The FBNs seem harder (than were the Nanuks) to get the bead lined up perfectly on the rim. I had to deflate the tires a couple of times and wrestle with them on the rims to get them to line up evenly all the way around.
    Finally got 'em on as evenly as I could and pumped 'em up to 20 lbs. They held overnight, and I threw the wheels back on the Pugs earlier this morning. Going to test ride them on a trail later today. I'll start on pavement to see how the higher pressure rolls, then progressively air 'em down to trail and beach pressures.
    I don't expect them to perform as well as the Nanuks do on the sand, but I'm hoping they feel right for the trails and logging roads.

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    I just bought a pair of these in 120tpi, folding bead on ebay for less than what I paid for one HuDu 2 years ago. I hope they are as good as the reviews indicate but no matter what I am very happy about the direction tire prices are going.

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    PlutonicPlague - did you use soap on the rims/beads? With my Nates, I found that made a huge difference in being able to get the beads to seat - with the soap (on the front) they slid right into place, without soap (on the back) I wrestled to get the bead seated consistently all the way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    PlutonicPlague - did you use soap on the rims/beads? With my Nates, I found that made a huge difference in being able to get the beads to seat - with the soap (on the front) they slid right into place, without soap (on the back) I wrestled to get the bead seated consistently all the way around.
    No, I did not. In retrospect, I should have used soap. I know about the trick, but sometimes I'm just a stubborn idiot. I am running tubes in my wheels.
    Maybe its because I had really good luck with the beads on my Nanuks seating beautifully on the first attempt. The Nanuks were seated in really tight...very hard to bust loose when I removed them to install the FBNs. I wonder if soaping the beads prior to installing the Nanuks would have made them easier to remove?

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    To be honest, most of the time I don't use soap, but after having problems with the rear tire I knew it was the right thing to do for the front.

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    Since yesterday was Earth Day, and a beauty of a day to boot, I just had to go for a ride!
    I figured that it was good time to put the FBNs to a test.
    I started out from my driveway, and then shortly cut into the "outback" out along a drainage ditch easement, on a grassy, little used maintenance trail that follows along on the top of the low dike bordering the drainage ditch. Within a mile I was on an old gated gravel logging road, heading back up into the hills, with no traffic. Never having ridden this road before, it was as if I had discovered gravel grinding at its best!
    The highest elevation point was only 206' above sea level, but I started out from 10'.
    I figured out that the road I was on was the very one I was hoping to find that led back into the hills. There were two sections of steeper climbs that I didn't make all the way to the top, due to my heart rate picking up considerably and feeling short of breath. So I had to dismount and push the Pugs up the steep spots. Not far, and only twice. Then I found myself grinding my way back along the top of a reasonably level ridge line. Its tree farm back in there, so I rode across clear cuts and various stages of re-growth. After about a mile or so,I turned around before the road descended into a creek basin. I ground gravel for about the next 4 miles or so heading back the way I came, and then over a flat straight mainline back to the highway, then over to a trail network, where I rode a mile of so of sandy singletrack through the pine forested dunes, then out on the beach for the two miles home, with the wind at my back!
    Total mileage was 11.6, and riding time was 1 hour and 57 minutes, with about a half hour of rest stops. Best 2.5 hours I have had in a long time!
    The FBNs were superb for the grassy trail, the gravel grinding, and the singletrack. When I rode the beach, though, I was glad that the wind was at my back, because these tires just don't float over the sand nearly as well as my Nanuks. TheFBNs were tolerably OK on the beach, but I had no complaints about 'em on the gravel or trails, nor even on the asphalt. The self steer on asphalt wasn't too bad, and I expected some anyway.
    Overall, I'm really satisfied with the performance of these 120 tpi FBNs. I'll probably leave 'em on all Summer until the Fall monsoons hit, and swap 'em out for the Nanuks, when my local wetland trails get flooded, and most of my riding returns to the beach.

    Almost forgot to mention that I hit 27mph on one drop coming back down the old logging road out of the hills, and I could have gone faster, but felt that I had to brake a little bit going into a turn at the bottom.

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    I put two FBNs on my Bucksaw this morning. I got the Clownshoe rim strips to do tubeless. My Nates were already tubeless using a split tube. After being unable to get the rear to air up with the rim strip, I ended up sticking a tube in. I did get the front to air up with the split tube. I'll probably go back to do the rear this afternoon split tube, but that's not really important.

    I rode today at a very technical place with tons of slab granite. I've noticed this to be a weakness of the Nates - I spun out a few times on slab rock. The FBNs were great. I was a bit concerned by their somewhat more square profile than the Nates, but I didn't notice any washout when cornering. They roll much better than the Nates and also weigh less, I can't say which of those two, or maybe the combination of the two, but I definitely felt better acceleration and faster rolling.

    I ran about 9 PSI front and back and noticed very little self-steer, I did feel it a few times, but nothing serious and nothing that made me go whoa bad things are happening. In my experience slab rock is exactly where you'd feel the self steer. I started at 11 PSI, but that was too much.

    So far, I'm very happy with them, it really felt like an upgrade to my bike, which is pretty good considering how much they cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I put two FBNs on my Bucksaw this morning. I got the Clownshoe rim strips to do tubeless. My Nates were already tubeless using a split tube. After being unable to get the rear to air up with the rim strip, I ended up sticking a tube in. I did get the front to air up with the split tube. I'll probably go back to do the rear this afternoon split tube, but that's not really important.

    I rode today at a very technical place with tons of slab granite. I've noticed this to be a weakness of the Nates - I spun out a few times on slab rock. The FBNs were great. I was a bit concerned by their somewhat more square profile than the Nates, but I didn't notice any washout when cornering. They roll much better than the Nates and also weigh less, I can't say which of those two, or maybe the combination of the two, but I definitely felt better acceleration and faster rolling.

    I ran about 9 PSI front and back and noticed very little self-steer, I did feel it a few times, but nothing serious and nothing that made me go whoa bad things are happening. In my experience slab rock is exactly where you'd feel the self steer. I started at 11 PSI, but that was too much.

    So far, I'm very happy with them, it really felt like an upgrade to my bike, which is pretty good considering how much they cost.
    9 psi at what weight?

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    I'm 170lbs probably 180 with gear.

    Oh and the rear aired up fine split tube after failing with the clowshoe strips.

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    Jisch, thanks for the tire review and tubeless setup info. Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I put two FBNs on my Bucksaw this morning. I got the Clownshoe rim strips to do tubeless. My Nates were already tubeless using a split tube. After being unable to get the rear to air up with the rim strip, I ended up sticking a tube in. I did get the front to air up with the split tube. I'll probably go back to do the rear this afternoon split tube, but that's not really important.

    I rode today at a very technical place with tons of slab granite. I've noticed this to be a weakness of the Nates - I spun out a few times on slab rock. The FBNs were great. I was a bit concerned by their somewhat more square profile than the Nates, but I didn't notice any washout when cornering. They roll much better than the Nates and also weigh less, I can't say which of those two, or maybe the combination of the two, but I definitely felt better acceleration and faster rolling.

    I ran about 9 PSI front and back and noticed very little self-steer, I did feel it a few times, but nothing serious and nothing that made me go whoa bad things are happening. In my experience slab rock is exactly where you'd feel the self steer. I started at 11 PSI, but that was too much.

    So far, I'm very happy with them, it really felt like an upgrade to my bike, which is pretty good considering how much they cost.
    i've found, as have others, that the FbN's need to be aired up with a tube for a week first, before setting them tubeless. the tubes weigh about 70 grams more than the clownshoes rim strips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I'm 170lbs probably 180 with gear.

    Oh and the rear aired up fine split tube after failing with the clowshoe strips.
    Are you leaving the marge lite rimstrip in when running split tube? Or any rim strip?

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    Just put the FbNs on the bucksaw- Marge lites, clown shoe strips. Took a lot of pressure to pop the beads in place, using lots of soapy water sprayed on. Hope to try the tubeless soon, I'll probably give it a week as mentioned here.

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    I left the Marge Lite strip in place. I was going to try it without once I got it aired up, but I gave up before I got there.

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    Thank you

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    I had vee snowshoes in 120tpi. I switched to the FBN a couple weeks ago. Enormous improvement on dirt. The snowshoes I had to air up because of self steer.
    The fbns slipped and slid around the first day until I realized I could run lower pressures without weird steering. They're lighter and faster.
    I feel like I got 50% of the benefits of a skinny tire bike back, but still didn't lose any fat bike advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    I feel like I got 50% of the benefits of a skinny tire bike back, but still didn't lose any fat bike advantages.
    ^^^^^^a beautiful thing right there. switching to knard 3.8's gave me some of that. now i want lighter but still fat but not interested in the plus phenomenon.

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    What pressures are all y'all running on the fbns?

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    I run about 10 front and back on my Bucksaw - I can go down to 9.0 before things start to get squirrely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I run about 10 front and back on my Bucksaw - I can go down to 9.0 before things start to get squirrely.
    Same here...

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    I've been running closer to 9 on the last few rides, today I went up over 10, it was noticeably less rolling resistance, but also a harsher ride. That's obvious, but when you get the suspension and tires in sync on this bike it's so smooth. With the tires a bit harder, it really flies (with FBNs).

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    running about 11 psi, but have gone as low as 9. These tires rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I run about 10 front and back on my Bucksaw - I can go down to 9.0 before things start to get squirrely.
    squirrely cuz you got all that full squish to fight with, or squirrely just cuz that particular tire acts that way below 9?

    Q will hopefully have these back in stock by may 22nd. hopefully the knards can hold together that long

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    Squirrely because of the tires. At higher pressures the Bucksaw is not noodly at all. On a pure dirt trail, I suspect you could lower than 9, but with the rocks around here, I can feel the squirm when I hit the rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    Squirrely because of the tires. At higher pressures the Bucksaw is not noodly at all. On a pure dirt trail, I suspect you could lower than 9, but with the rocks around here, I can feel the squirm when I hit the rocks.
    hmmm, knards not squirrely at all down around 8+-. might hafta rethink my decision. thank you.

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    It could just be me - I ride with a guy on 3.8 knards, if you don't feel the squirm on Knards, I doubt you'd feel it on FBNs, they are pretty close in tread depth and profile from what I can see.

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    Just mounted the FBN on the rear and still running a 4.5 Snowshoe front. Not sure what I would like out front when I make the change soon, but the FBN is quite a bit smaller, so it should be good for rear only. Have not ridden them yet as I need to fine tune the drivetrain still. Been off the bike for over a month due to injury and in FL for 10 days...can't wait to ride again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    It could just be me - I ride with a guy on 3.8 knards, if you don't feel the squirm on Knards, I doubt you'd feel it on FBNs, they are pretty close in tread depth and profile from what I can see.
    i'm sold!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Just mounted the FBN on the rear and still running a 4.5 Snowshoe front. Not sure what I would like out front when I make the change soon, but the FBN is quite a bit smaller, so it should be good for rear only. Have not ridden them yet as I need to fine tune the drivetrain still. Been off the bike for over a month due to injury and in FL for 10 days...can't wait to ride again!
    we should meet up for a ride, we live close!

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    we should meet up for a ride, we live close!
    Would love to! Will be working in Newfields for the next few weeks and the bike is coming along. Does mornings at Stratham Hill work for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Would love to! Will be working in Newfields for the next few weeks and the bike is coming along. Does mornings at Stratham Hill work for you?
    mornings at stratham do work for me. especially tues-friday as those are work days. 830-1015 am is best as baby goes to daycare by around 800 and my workday starts at 1100.

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    Did the San Diego archipelago ride on these yesterday. Thank goodness I had switched for lighter weight and less rolling resistance. It's a ~55 miles ride and I think 5k climbing. They handled all terrain well

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    I'm liking the FbNs quite a bit- moderate ride today on dry packed dirt xc trails today- granted, speeds were slower, half the speed of dark, as my border collie led the way, and she is slowing down. Nothing negative noted at all- seemed more responsive than the nates, (this is on a Bucksaw), no loss of traction anywhere. I was starting to consider a 650b+ wheelset for the summer, but i think these have taken care of that, at a very reasonable buy in. Still tubed, will attempt tubeless soon.

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    nice. ya 3.8-4.0 is the true + size, imo. stoked to grab a pair of fbn!

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    I mounted a pair of Fat B nimble tires on my wife's bike today. They weighed 100 grams less each than the HuDu's that were on it. Also set up tubeless (split tube) on her bike for the first time. They set up tubeless very easily and didn't leak at all. In the end the bike weighed 3/4 of a pound less than when I started and that's with 8 oz's. of sealant per wheel. We went for a little ride and she said the bike had "more get up and go". I didn't ride it so I can't tell you any more than that.
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    Wow your wife has a badass bike. What frame is that? Glad they set up toob-less well. What wheels Marge or RD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tundratrader View Post
    What wheels Marge or RD?
    Sorry, they are Marge Lites.

    Frame is a 2 year old 170 Fatback.

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    Sweet. Did you setup the lefty yourself? If that is your wife's bike what are you running?

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    My experience of the FBN s. is they are pretty good on most terrain except
    our. ( UK ). Limestone .
    good for speeding along on firetrails and gravel / tarmac /mud / grass. but wet rocky trails and they dont seem to have the grip of the on one Floaters .
    I do like the tyres and they seem very hard wearing done approx 500 miles and they still seem like new which suggests a hard rubber compound and the lack of grip on wet stone .
    will I buy them again. probably not. but only because I have lots of rocky trails to ride and get lots of rain . and it will take a long time to wear them out .

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