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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestmiller View Post
    Anyone try tubeless yet with the 120 TPIs?
    can you even get the 120's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeduda View Post
    can you even get the 120's?
    http://www.jbi.bike/web/AdvancedCatV...fkawe45d9drh=4

    According to J&B, the CA warehouse has them in stock finally.

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    A friend I ride with bought a bunch a week or two ago and seems to love them, I believe they've only ever seen snow.
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    looks to be wholesale for dealers, any online retailers selling them or are they strictly order thru the lbs? Thanks

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    Yes, J&B is a distributor. Most shops can order from them. they happen to be a distributor that allows anyone to check stock on their website.

    it's not rocket science to search yourself.

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    My Fat B Nimbler review

    I got a single Fat B Nimble for $46.35 from BC Bike via Amazon. The order was placed Nov 29, tire shipped Dec 2, and a I received it in Massachusetts on Dec 10.

    I can't tell the TPI. It's not indicated on the sidewall. BikeBling says 60 TPI. The rubber is stiff and the tire is not easily deformed. 60 TPI - or just new? I can't tell.

    The tire weighs 1369 grams. I put it on my front wheel and ran it at 8 psi with the tread facing the indicated direction by the sidewall arrow.

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    At 8 psi, the tire does not deform easily. I'm using a Q-Tubes SL 2.4-2.7 tube. The rubber is stiff. The knobs feel more plastic than rubber and do not deform easily. This may be a good thing. My Schwalbe RoRo's knobs are as soft as pencil erasers and last about as long.

    The tire wall says, "Chao Yang."

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    The knob pattern is meaty and about what I expected. The side knobs are as large as the center knobs and extend fairly far out.

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    I rode the tire on some New England technical singletrack Strava route here. Temps were in the mid 30s under partly cloudy skies. Trail was very wet and covered with leaves from the recent Nor'Easter.

    Tire seems to grip better than the Vee 8 it replaced. It is lighter by over 200 grams. I didn't notice any skidding. Self steer isn't apparent on singletrack. I did ride on pavement to my car before and after. The self-steer was greatly reduced relative to the Vee 8.

    I did notice that the tire doesn't deform over rocks and roots. This may be due to its "new-ness" and the 60 TPI - or it may not. I'll be curious to see if it softens up with more miles.

    It didn't seem to pick up as much muck as the Vee 8. The splatter on my downtube was reduced relative to the Vee 8. Grip through river crossings, climbing, and mud was as good as I could tell (front grip is harder to assess than rear grip as the tire just spins out in the rear). The tire did not meander, did not skip on wet roots, and did not skid on canted rock faces.

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    Overall summary: solid tire at a great weight point - and especially great price point.

    Pro's: meaty tread pattern, lighter tire, improved muck shedding
    Con's: Stiff rubber that may soften over time

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    Amazon has the 120TPI version in stock now:

    $76.50 - Amazon.com: PANARACER TIRES PAN FAT B NIMBLE 26x4.0 FOLD BK: Sports & Outdoors

    I have one of the 60TPI versions, going to wait and ride it before I buy a pair of the 120 TPI (the 60 TPI I have is a spare to keep in the truck).

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    A little bit cheaper here:

    Panaracer Fat B Nimble 26x4 Folding Bead 120tpi Tire, Black from BikeBling.com

    I'm holding off to see some ride reports. A reasonable price for sure.

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    Be careful with Bikebling, they currently list the 60 and 120tpi Fat B Nimbles with the same price and part number.

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    1180 is a nice weight.

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    I like the price, $76 for a 120tpi wow!

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    I went with the 60tpi version and some q tubes superlights and I'm very happy with them. Shaved 3lbs off compared to the Vee missions and stock tubes.

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    Re: Panaracer Fat B Nimble!

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    Be careful with Bikebling, they currently list the 60 and 120tpi Fat B Nimbles with the same price and part number.
    Additionally, if you actually try to buy the fat b nimble 120tpi, it says the product is discontinued.

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    Anyone know when the 4.8 version will be available?
    I'm not sure if the 4.0 tire will work well on my Clown Shoe rims.

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    I ordered from Amazon last week, 1. They never said what the TPI was on the more expensive one but they did say folding and the other one (the cheaper one, 57 bucks I think it was)they said was wire bead.

    I got my tire today, I'll be running it up front, I have a Knard on the rear & I had a V-Mission
    that I use 120tpi as I didn't want to wear my Nate down the Mission is the biggest pile junk
    tire I have ever used. I don't have a ride report yet all I did was do a quick lap in
    the field, I have used my wife's 120tpi Knard on the front of my bike before and I can already
    say this new Panaracer is going to be a keeper I think it was 79 bucks shipped. I will
    get some time in on this tire tomorrow.

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    These tires sell for $90(+shipping) a pair on e-bay FYI (chao yang tire) I was tempted a few months back but lack of reviews put me off then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krzysiekmz View Post
    These tires sell for $90(+shipping) a pair on e-bay FYI (chao yang tire) I was tempted a few months back but lack of reviews put me off then.
    The reviews are in, I like the FBN better than the Knard on the front.

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    Couple more rides with FBN - and a comparison...

    I put one on the Front to replace a Vee 8. See my post #57 above.

    I've since received an On-One Floater for the rear from Planet-X for $54. Having the On-One Floater changes my perspective on the Fat B Nimble. There's quite a difference between the two. The Floater clearly has "grippier," tacky rubber and its knobs are easily twice the size of the Panaracer. As well, the Floater's tread pattern extends well beyond that of the Panaracer out to the sidewall. The On-One's knobs have a tiered pattern than feels more aggressive than the panaracer. All that beef comes at a weight penalty though. The On-One is about 100 grams heavier.

    I've ridden a couple times now with the Panaracer mounted up front. That's where it will stay and it does a fine job. It doesn't lose traction - especially over wet roots and canted rock faces. I think I can feel the weight difference too at about 1/2 pound. But it really doesn't compare traction/rubber/knob-size/tread-pattern to the Floater.

    Without comparison, I would have given the Panaracer 5-stars relative to the Vee 8 it replaced. Now with a Floater to compare to, I give it 3-stars with a strong recommendation to only use it on the front.

    (My riding with these tires has been on wet, leafy-covered, technical New England singletrack with temps in the low 30's. Lots of roots and rocks. No snow yet. Tire pressure has consistently been 7.5-9 psi. YMMV.)

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    ^^Hmmm, I wanted floaters but couldn't find them anywhere in the US when I ordered the FBNs. I may just have to try one on the rear however, as I had some issues with exactly the terrain you're describing with the FBN on the back. I'm still happy with them for the majority of my riding, but for winter I need something more aggressive out back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connolm View Post
    I put one on the Front to replace a Vee 8. See my post #57 above.

    I've since received an On-One Floater for the rear from Planet-X for $54. Having the On-One Floater changes my perspective on the Fat B Nimble. There's quite a difference between the two. The Floater clearly has "grippier," tacky rubber and its knobs are easily twice the size of the Panaracer. As well, the Floater's tread pattern extends well beyond that of the Panaracer out to the sidewall. The On-One's knobs have a tiered pattern than feels more aggressive than the panaracer. All that beef comes at a weight penalty though. The On-One is about 100 grams heavier.

    I've ridden a couple times now with the Panaracer mounted up front. That's where it will stay and it does a fine job. It doesn't lose traction - especially over wet roots and canted rock faces. I think I can feel the weight difference too at about 1/2 pound. But it really doesn't compare traction/rubber/knob-size/tread-pattern to the Floater.

    Without comparison, I would have given the Panaracer 5-stars relative to the Vee 8 it replaced. Now with a Floater to compare to, I give it 3-stars with a strong recommendation to only use it on the front.

    (My riding with these tires has been on wet, leafy-covered, technical New England singletrack with temps in the low 30's. Lots of roots and rocks. No snow yet. Tire pressure has consistently been 7.5-9 psi. YMMV.)
    Does anyone have reviews of this tire in the snow? Hard pack snow grip is what I am wondering about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connolm View Post
    I put one on the Front to replace a Vee 8. See my post #57 above.

    I've since received an On-One Floater for the rear from Planet-X for $54. Having the On-One Floater changes my perspective on the Fat B Nimble. There's quite a difference between the two. The Floater clearly has "grippier," tacky rubber and its knobs are easily twice the size of the Panaracer. As well, the Floater's tread pattern extends well beyond that of the Panaracer out to the sidewall. The On-One's knobs have a tiered pattern than feels more aggressive than the panaracer. All that beef comes at a weight penalty though. The On-One is about 100 grams heavier.

    I've ridden a couple times now with the Panaracer mounted up front. That's where it will stay and it does a fine job. It doesn't lose traction - especially over wet roots and canted rock faces. I think I can feel the weight difference too at about 1/2 pound. But it really doesn't compare traction/rubber/knob-size/tread-pattern to the Floater.

    Without comparison, I would have given the Panaracer 5-stars relative to the Vee 8 it replaced. Now with a Floater to compare to, I give it 3-stars with a strong recommendation to only use it on the front.

    (My riding with these tires has been on wet, leafy-covered, technical New England singletrack with temps in the low 30's. Lots of roots and rocks. No snow yet. Tire pressure has consistently been 7.5-9 psi. YMMV.)
    Good review, but you should realize that not everyone is after ultimate traction. If they were, then only one type of tire would exist for all bikes.

    Also, it is typical that one runs the tire with the biggest knobs in front on a bike because ultimately that determines the limit of cornering traction. The front tire contributes far less to rolling resistance because it only carries a fraction of the weight of rider/bike combo. Obviously snow bikes are a slightly different beast in that they are sometimes limited by forward drive traction. Personally, I also run a floater in the rear for its paddle-like traction in loose snow. The floater is hardly the pinnacle of beefy traction. I run a Hodag up front and find that it has a much higher threshold for sideways washout than the floater. Certainly a bud or lou would put either of them to shame.

    My point is this: just because the floater has more traction does not mean it is a better tire. There are other important characteristics that people, including myself, are interested in, such as: rolling resistance, tire casing suppleness, ability to go tubeless, tendency towards self-steer, etc.

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    Thanks for the counter point. Seems like tires are like saddles - everyone prefers something different.

    Haven't had it out in snow yet.

    I put the Floater on the rear because under my riding conditions, the rear spins out over uphill roots and rocks before the front ever looses traction in turns. I say this based on empirical observation.
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    My friend had a new pair on his bike a few days ago and he was slipping and sliding on all the turns and losing traction pedaling up short hills. Conditions were hard packed snow and he had 70 mm rims. To me they looked like the tread was just a little too narrow so there was nothing to corner on. Probably a good tire for narrower rims.

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    any more reviews?
    The bike is never to heavy, you are just to WEAK!

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    Waiting (some what patiently) for these to come out for a 3.0" B+ size...
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    I just got a pair of FBN in 120 tpi for $67.50 each. I tossed them on the scale and they were 1150 and 1170 grams. I'm still finishing the wheelset I'm going to put them on and then I'll post my thoughts on them.Panaracer Fat B Nimble!-nimble.jpg
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    I've got about 10 hours of ride time on these now and I'm fairly underwhelmed with the traction on hardpack snow. The knobs are just a little too narrow for the casing ~3.5'' to a 3.8'' casing. That being said, they aren't terrible for the price and weight (1170 grams) and they roll fast.

    I needed an air compressor to mount tubeless, but I'm not sure if that's because of the rims or tires (first fat tubeless setup). Once seated they held air for ~24 hours without sealant and after adding sealant I haven't seen any leakage.

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    Extended side knobs are key. My knards aren't very aggressive on top, but the way the side knobs extend has made them a really decent snow tire. Better than the snowshoes i tried. Snowshoes side knobs don't extend beyond the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juxtaposition View Post
    I've got about 10 hours of ride time on these now and I'm fairly underwhelmed with the traction on hardpack snow. The knobs are just a little too narrow for the casing ~3.5'' to a 3.8'' casing. That being said, they aren't terrible for the price and weight (1170 grams) and they roll fast.

    I needed an air compressor to mount tubeless, but I'm not sure if that's because of the rims or tires (first fat tubeless setup). Once seated they held air for ~24 hours without sealant and after adding sealant I haven't seen any leakage.
    What rims do you have them on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    What rims do you have them on?
    80mm Chinese carbon rims, the kind with a bead hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juxtaposition View Post
    80mm Chinese carbon rims, the kind with a bead hook.
    How did they mount up? Running tubeless?
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    I just received a pair of the 120 TPI folding tires. They weighed 1160gr and 1180gr. When I replace the existing tires along with some lighter tubes, I should lose close to 1500gr of rotating weight!
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    Where you guys get them from?

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    I got mine at Amazon, I would never run FBN on snow that would suck. I am using it as a front tire down here in Florida dry hard pack sandy conditions and I like this tire lots.

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    Thanks. That sounds good.

    Could anyone measure how wide the tire is mounted on a 65mm or 80mm rim?

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    I got the FB Nimbles mounted up tubeless yesterday on a pair of darryls. They seating up fairly easy with a nice pop, I added 5 oz of stans and they have held air perfectly. I got out on a ride with a mix of snow covered bike path (paved) and snow covered singletrack. I settled on 7-8 psi in the rear and 5-6 psi front. First, let me preface my comments, what I took off my bike was a bud/nate combo on clown shoes, so I had a ton of traction/flotation. The first thing I noticed was how the FBN roll.... Wow. They roll so well that the bike felt so fast and just completely different. Once on the singletrack I was pleasantly suprised with the traction in the snow. They didn't have the grip that the bud and nate have, but they weren't bad by any means. I think I was still probably a little quicker on these tires through the 4-mile loop than I was on my old tires. Overall, I am extremely pleased.

    Oh, changing wheels/tires dropped 2lb 11oz off the bike.
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    How do these compare to husker du? Anyone?
    I'll be needing a new set of summer tires. These look gripper then the kenda juggernaut.

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    I haven't run the husker, and really don't know why any person would own both, as they're too overlapping in intent. I like the larger version as a fast roller dirt tire, particularly at higher pressures. It does exhibit some amount of self steer as you drop. Ideal for a bluto bike, where you don't need to drop pressure for compliance. Given, the price, I'd try it as a low cost alternative. If you don't like it, you can surely resell them for a negligible loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    and really don't know why any person would own both, as they're too overlapping in intent. .
    I studded my Hudu's so i need a new set of tires for summer.....

    I like the cost & the weight, just don't want to loose any grip. I've never run anything cray aggressive like Nate or B/L, so not expecting that. Just don't want less grip than the Hudu.

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    mounted a set of 120 tpi on 80mm rims and I didn't like the fact that knobs were all on the top...nothing on the sides...switched to 65mm and the tire had a very cool rounded profile with the edge knobs extending over the side. I have about two hours on them and they work well for me. very fast rolling...they grip in the snow and you can feel how light they are when you are going up hills...I also like the fact that snow does not pack in the tire treads.

    They look small and wimpy compared to a set of Nates though.

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    boom! 65's ftw!!!

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    changing rims for a tire?.....been pretty snowless in the NE....thinking about these but I also like Knards.
    The bike is never to heavy, you are just to WEAK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSTCLIME View Post
    changing rims for a tire?.....been pretty snowless in the NE....thinking about these but I also like Knards.
    no snow...bummer

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatClank View Post
    mounted a set of 120 tpi on 80mm rims and I didn't like the fact that knobs were all on the top...nothing on the sides...switched to 65mm and the tire had a very cool rounded profile with the edge knobs extending over the side. I have about two hours on them and they work well for me. very fast rolling...they grip in the snow and you can feel how light they are when you are going up hills...I also like the fact that snow does not pack in the tire treads.

    They look small and wimpy compared to a set of Nates though.
    How much and what type of snow? Kind of interested in giving these a shot!
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    The trails were at 2-3 inches of hard pack and the fields I ride through were at 4-5 inches of loose stuff. My tires were at 9 psi.

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    I received two 120tpi FBN over the weekend. I only weighed one of them and it was 1165 grams. As other users mentioned previously, I had to use my air compressor to inflate it tubeless on my Sunringle Mulefut rim. It's noticeably narrower than the On One Floater it replaced and approximately 300 grams lighter but based on other users comments about snow traction, I'll have to ride it and decide if it's worth trading weight for traction.

    One concern I have right away is the apparently deformed tire casing. The bead is fully seated all the way around but the tire wobbles badly when I spin the wheel. Has anybody else noticed this with the FBN? I wonder if the casing will "break in" so to speak after I get a few rides in?
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    I have to say these look good and I happen to have 65mm Marge Lites on my Fatty which reading the above seems to give the best knob profile.

    The longer Jumbo Jim's take, the closer to the canvas of the Knards I get and the more tempted for a set of these I become!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatClank View Post
    mounted a set of 120 tpi on 80mm rims and I didn't like the fact that knobs were all on the top...nothing on the sides...switched to 65mm and the tire had a very cool rounded profile with the edge knobs extending over the side. I have about two hours on them and they work well for me. very fast rolling...they grip in the snow and you can feel how light they are when you are going up hills...I also like the fact that snow does not pack in the tire treads.

    They look small and wimpy compared to a set of Nates though.
    Can you post a pic of them on 65mm rims? I was thinking that would be a good setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slower_than_u View Post
    One concern I have right away is the apparently deformed tire casing. The bead is fully seated all the way around but the tire wobbles badly when I spin the wheel. Has anybody else noticed this with the FBN? I wonder if the casing will "break in" so to speak after I get a few rides in?
    Both of mine were perfectly true, unfortunately I smacked something really hard (was passing someone in a race) and now the tire has a bit of a wobble to it. To be fair, my rim was bent also, but after having the rim trued back up the tire still wobbles a little.
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